Post: #1

I've started receiving emails from him again. I got his stuff 10 years ago. Personally still making loads of mistakes, but I bet it would be hugely beneficial to have a new look at it.

What other stuff of his have you gotten hold of and used/learned from?

Post: #2

His 'Double Your Dating' ebook was the first PUA product I purchased. Out of everything I've seen from him, that was the only thing worth the money.

Post: #3

I didn't purchase anything from him but the well known "cocky and funny" mantra was what I used to great success.

Post: #4

David DeAngelo was one of the first PUA's to really talk a lot about inner game. It was him who actually inspired me to go Monk Mode a few years ago.

Post: #5

David D sold his company a few years ago.

Post: #6

(02-04-2015 09:35 PM)Th0r Wrote:  David DeAngelo was one of the first PUA's to really talk a lot about inner game. It was him who actually inspired me to go Monk Mode a few years ago.

what is monk mode?

Post: #7

Monk mode is for incels. This thread is about David D'Angelo.

If you want to discuss "monk mode" go to the thread about it. I strongly disagree with it:

/thread-43241-...#pid904695

Anyway -

David D'Angelo was a pioneer and even if his company was sold it'll be interesting to see what they come out with. It's very possible they create a PC-red pill rip off line like many modern PUA's do.

Post: #8

I remember when he first got started just as I graduated college...pretty inspiring...he went from being an average guy to a millionaire with awesome game. He also pioneered a lot of marketing techniques used today and plays the electric guitar pretty well. He is the classic example of a renaissance man.

Post: #9

Other than Roosh, David D is one of the few PUA's I would strongly recommend. I credit him (as well as a fraternity I joined) with helping me to pull out of my Omega phase during my early years of college. He covers ALL aspects of game, from pickup lines, inner game, frame control, sexual escalation, online game, etc., and makes it dummy proof. His programs can be pricey but they are a worthwhile investment. I first took on his program in 2006 by chance, thinking he was possibly a scam artist (I clicked on a popup that asked "don't know how to get women, click here!) but I was desperate.

Post: #10

Won't speak on his wife, but he's married.

Times have changed since the "Double your dating" era.

Unless he's getting his Tinder on, I wonder what he could add to the discussion?

WIA

Post: #11

(02-05-2015 02:36 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  I remember when he first got started just as I graduated college...pretty inspiring...he went from being an average guy to a millionaire with awesome game. He also pioneered a lot of marketing techniques used today and plays the electric guitar pretty well. He is the classic example of a renaissance man.

Awesome game!? He is considered all over the Internet to be the king of keyboard jockeys. Good on him for his success and business acumen, but I would only believe he had game if I saw it myself.

Post: #12

I don't care what people say David D is the man his products were great and he had many great guest speakers well known PUA artists he brought more people to the game and into red pill than anyone else, maybe he was a marketer maybe he was better on stage than in a bar, so what IMO he is the father of modern game.

(02-05-2015 09:44 AM)Marmite Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 02:36 AM)Apollo21 Wrote:  I remember when he first got started just as I graduated college...pretty inspiring...he went from being an average guy to a millionaire with awesome game. He also pioneered a lot of marketing techniques used today and plays the electric guitar pretty well. He is the classic example of a renaissance man.

Awesome game!? He is considered all over the Internet to be the king of keyboard jockeys. Good on him for his success and business acumen, but I would only believe he had game if I saw it myself.

Post: #13

I just downloaded and read/perused through: "Attraction Isn't a Choice"

It's pretty good stuff. There's some good subtleties in there that complement "Bang"/"Day Bang" well, I think.

Post: #14

"Attraction isn't A Choice" is a classic. Can't believe it's already been 15 years since that came out.

Post: #15

Correction - "Appetizers are NOT a choice"

Post: #16

Cocky funny was/ is gold but what were the 20-DVD box sets all about? By DVD 15, it felt that he was still going through the introduction.

Post: #17

The whole idea of taking ball-busting to the extreme is something I should practice more.

Post: #18

"Attraction is not a choice" is one of the most concise good concepts I've ever heard for Game.
Also "cocky and funny" super brief and useful.

He also did a lot of hard work, he had VERY extensive interviews with a couple dozen pickup experts/theorists/whatever and the range was really fascinating, there were guys who loved getting girls to have phone sex, guys who had all sorts of specialized verbal and lifestyle routines, he really helped get a lot of viewpoints out there.

Post: #19

Quote:"Attraction is not a choice" is one of the most concise good concepts I've ever heard for Game.
Also "cocky and funny" super brief and useful.

iknowexactly posted exactly what I was going to say.

I was at an RVF meetup in Houston just this weekend with about 10 of the forum guys and that statement came up in conversation. One of the things I always tell my friends that ask for advice is to not sweat it if a particular girl isn't into you. I'll say something like, "Imagine a woman standing in front of you and you are not attracted to her at all. What could she or I say to you that would make you want to bang her?" Of course the answer is ,"Nothing". It's the same way in reverse. If a chick isn't marginally into you in some way, no amount of game is going to make up for that.

I still have all his material, all the books, interviews, seminars, etc. My friend had purchased it all but gave it to me on a hard drive.

I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Eben Pagan (David D's real name) did some business seminars with my Dad in the the mid-late 90's or early 2000's. He always does his non-dating stuff under his real name.

Post: #20

(02-09-2015 11:17 AM)Farmageddon Wrote:  One of the things I always tell my friends that ask for advice is to not sweat it if a particular girl isn't into you. I'll say something like, "Imagine a woman standing in front of you and you are not attracted to her at all. What could she or I say to you that would make you want to bang her?" Of course the answer is ,"Nothing". It's the same way in reverse. If a chick isn't marginally into you in some way, no amount of game is going to make up for that.

And as always, women create new ways to be frustrating. I don't mind if a girl isn't in to me, i'm perfectly okay with that. I've rejected many girls as well and no amount of game on their end would change my mind. Getting rejected is no longer a big deal to me (maybe due to better game/past success, who knows). It's the women that actually are into you or show some sort of interest are the ones that frustrate me. I've been on dates and even had sex with girls where things go perfectly only to be dumped for no apparent reason. I've had women give me there numbers out of the blue and basically try to have sex with me right in the middle of the bar/club and they go cold the next day. I think with growing, i'll get over that as well, but for now that is my biggest issue.

Post: #21

When I first got into game I watched some of his stuff with the guest speakers he had. For a beginner I found it very useful. Cocky & Funny is right up there with Agree & Amplify. 2 fundamentals of game.

Post: #22

One of the OG's of PUA.

Post: #23

(02-09-2015 11:32 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 11:17 AM)Farmageddon Wrote:  One of the things I always tell my friends that ask for advice is to not sweat it if a particular girl isn't into you. I'll say something like, "Imagine a woman standing in front of you and you are not attracted to her at all. What could she or I say to you that would make you want to bang her?" Of course the answer is ,"Nothing". It's the same way in reverse. If a chick isn't marginally into you in some way, no amount of game is going to make up for that.

And as always, women create new ways to be frustrating. I don't mind if a girl isn't in to me, i'm perfectly okay with that. I've rejected many girls as well and no amount of game on their end would change my mind. Getting rejected is no longer a big deal to me (maybe due to better game/past success, who knows). It's the women that actually are into you or show some sort of interest are the ones that frustrate me. I've been on dates and even had sex with girls where things go perfectly only to be dumped for no apparent reason. I've had women give me there numbers out of the blue and basically try to have sex with me right in the middle of the bar/club and they go cold the next day. I think with growing, i'll get over that as well, but for now that is my biggest issue.

It's almost always because of a guy she's more into. 90% of the time.

If a young woman has no suitors, she'll generally accept any advances (within reason).

It's really horrible, because they are totally using you for validation and drop you right after they get what they need so they can chase the other guy.

Post: #24

(02-10-2015 09:44 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 11:32 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 11:17 AM)Farmageddon Wrote:  One of the things I always tell my friends that ask for advice is to not sweat it if a particular girl isn't into you. I'll say something like, "Imagine a woman standing in front of you and you are not attracted to her at all. What could she or I say to you that would make you want to bang her?" Of course the answer is ,"Nothing". It's the same way in reverse. If a chick isn't marginally into you in some way, no amount of game is going to make up for that.

And as always, women create new ways to be frustrating. I don't mind if a girl isn't in to me, i'm perfectly okay with that. I've rejected many girls as well and no amount of game on their end would change my mind. Getting rejected is no longer a big deal to me (maybe due to better game/past success, who knows). It's the women that actually are into you or show some sort of interest are the ones that frustrate me. I've been on dates and even had sex with girls where things go perfectly only to be dumped for no apparent reason. I've had women give me there numbers out of the blue and basically try to have sex with me right in the middle of the bar/club and they go cold the next day. I think with growing, i'll get over that as well, but for now that is my biggest issue.

It's almost always because of a guy she's more into. 90% of the time.

If a young woman has no suitors, she'll generally accept any advances (within reason).

It's really horrible, because they are totally using you for validation and drop you right after they get what they need so they can chase the other guy.

Yeah, I think you're right. This happened to me last summer when one of my lays showed me all of her Plenty of Fish messages she was getting from guys. She asked me for mine and I turned her down. I knew I was toast at that point.

Post: #25

I'm getting emails from David D offering all his 14 programs for 3k bucks.

I mean seriously? Whenever a dating coach starts offering programs with a 4 digit price tags I get skeptical. David D was the first one I read and though his stuff provides good foundation for later game development, it's definitely insufficient for the current climate (supposed he hasn't changed anything)

He talks a lot about building and creating attraction, but we all know that in 2015 attraction doesn't mean shit. A girl is attracted to a dozen guys daily and can choose from an endless supply of guys. You need to learn escalation, good logistics and pushing for bangs.