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If I have a lizard as a friend/wing, it will be one that I am not attracted to (usually super fat). I use her as bait, mostly if we don't match then other lizards are curious as to whether we are poking or not, we usually just publicly announce that we are good friends. Having a lizard that doesn't look good as a friend shocks other lizards and there may be something in their fibre that urges them to try and 'steal' you from that lizard. Remember that a lot of times, lizards operate on social acceptance, the fact that you have a lizard by you, regardless of how she looks, signals to other lizards that you are functional (in all areas).

As Rude says, most lizard friends due try to step over the boundaries inevitably, it's one of those fantasies that lizards enjoy, fcuking a 'really close friend'. For me, one of my lizard friends tried to lunge at me unexpectedly for a kiss, even though I had told her prior that I don't like her like that. I must say that I enjoy putting their minds through the blender like that, in this modern day and era, you can't imagine how many guys they have left confused with their indecisive behaviour.

(03-28-2017 01:21 AM)Moma Wrote:  Having a lizard that doesn't look good as a friend shocks other lizards and there may be something in their fibre that urges them to try and 'steal' you from that lizard. Remember that a lot of times, lizards operate on social acceptance, the fact that you have a lizard by you, regardless of how she looks, signals to other lizards that you are functional (in all areas).

Thats the first time I've heard it put that way. Whats the lizard logic behind that? I've always understood that preselection works by having hot women around you which makes perfect sense. I feel like this is saying that the lizard brain just registers "pussy in his area" and not "fat bitch...thats all he can get".

@Moma - that is some good thinking homie.

Hanging out with a fat chick shows you are not full of yourself.

A lot of dudes hang out with hot girls, but is doesn't mean he is fucking them.

For you guys still thinking about monogamous long term relationships

If you're dating a chick for 3 months and she doesn't say "I love you" FIRST - drop her.

WIA

(03-29-2017 08:01 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  For you guys still thinking about monogamous long term relationships

If you're dating a chick for 3 months and she doesn't say "I love you" FIRST - drop her.

WIA

Whats the reasoning behind this?

Isn't 3 months quick to be saying I love you?

Ive had 2.5 (haha) LTRs so my game in this area is extremely thin.

Not in a girl's universe.
The natural order is that she submits to you.

If she hasn't after you put in three months of work, move on.

WIA

(03-29-2017 09:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Not in a girl's universe.
The natural order is that she submits to you.

If she hasn't after you put in three months of work, move on.

WIA

Of course I think all of us know that you never say it first.

Is that 90 days from when you first hit it?
Or does the clock start running at first sight and after you spit your initial game?

Some LTR girls may make you wait several weeks to hit it. So this distinction is important.

I was running some Tinder game when I came across this gem.



I just had to laugh and post it. The funny thing I have had this feeling that this trend existed here in Europe. I am sure its not limited to Europe but now its confirmed.

I have been at hip hop parties here and the girl seems all into it. You know shes single cause you been checking all night and brothers are hollering and noone is getting anywhere and a white dude comes and scoops her like..... really?

90 days from when you start spending all your time with the chick, hence the monogamous qualifier in the statement.

A chick I banged three months ago isn't sending me heart filled text messages because I'm not spending my time with her.

The hard part here is not recognizing her flaws, but acting on said information.

WIA

Not sure if I understand what you're saying KD.

She's looking for the chocolate, but only goes for the vanilla?

WIA

@WIA, if she does say it first how do you typically respond?

Lemme reiterate, this ain't a law of any kind, just my observations.

Now my response?

Usually I'm in love at that point (again three months with the same chick)

The fact that you spend so much of your time with a chick is your subconscious telling you that you're actually in love (or this is the best you're gonna do, lol). For a chick to keep my exclusive interest that long tells me I basically love her. Because my norm is to get bored, because mental engagement is not something that bulges out of a form fitting dress.

What is harder is when she says it early, and you're not on the same wavelength. You dudes who date younger deal with this more.

As far as I know, there is no way to say anything other than ILY back without hurting her feelings.

In a practical sense, I try to defuse the situation.

1) kiss her
2) oh, you totally want my babies
3) I know
4) bout time you said it
5) already? but you haven't seen my Pokemon card collection (you barely know me)

Any mood or subject change softens the blow, and she can groove into another persona - but once it's said - it's out there.

The overall posture is that she needs to drag you into a relationship. Some chicks have fragile egos, so if you don't conform, she's broken. And if that's the case, you're actually better off without her at that stage in her life. I swear that some people would be great partners if they would have learned some life lessons before meeting you.

Other chicks are delusional, and will keep "loving" you until you "love" them back.

That's more of a keeper in my book

WIA

IMHO, love, or the neurochemicals (I.e., oxytocin, vasopressin and dopamine) associated with it, and the expression thereof, is more a more organic than mechanical process. Maybe she's been hurt before, said it first and got rejected, or simply has difficulties expressing her emotions. If you feeling this chick, you owe it to yourself to explore it all the way.
In consideration of the foregoing, if you've expressly conveyed that you're dating with a purpose (possible LTR) and she's not on the same page, then let her know and cut your losses.

On another note, I put together a lil interaction checklist after inquiring about it before and recently reading WIA comment on the futileness of interactions that consist of just "talking and seeing where it goes."

• C/F (Humor is a huge part of my personality and the cockiness is minimal)
• Qualification
• Disqualification
• Eliciting 90/10 convo
• Kino, if in person
• Push/Pull
• Cut the interaction short at it's peak
  

@kirdiesel out of curiousity what's the demographics of the city you live in? Like is there a considerable non-white population?

(03-29-2017 09:35 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I was running some Tinder game when I came across this gem.

I just had to laugh and post it. The funny thing I have had this feeling that this trend existed here in Europe. I am sure its not limited to Europe but now its confirmed.

I have been at hip hop parties here and the girl seems all into it. You know shes single cause you been checking all night and brothers are hollering and noone is getting anywhere and a white dude comes and scoops her like..... really?

It takes some time to develop your niche practically anywhere you go.
However clubs in Germany require a mass effort...of Brothers going out to different places on a given night.

I've seen friends succeed however the talent wasn't always that great...
I've done festivals and concerts and clubs and daygame...you've really got to branch out and visit other cities like Barcelona or Paris or EE countries...
the energy and enthusiasm the girls have for Brothers there is electric...mostly because no one ever visits them...

I would also look at Instagram and doing local meetups...there's a big international crowd here...clubs only attract a tiny percent of local talent.

Whenever I meet girls outside of a club environment/aka in real life, it's night and day...She's not in a fantasy world of song and dance where she can dismiss hordes of guys on a whim...
and refuse to be social and not have a conversation. The energy is also different...it's more relaxed and you're talking to a real person...lol not her clubgirl persona...

Personally I don't really care if a girl prefers one of her own...it doesn't really matter...it's not set in stone...like the wind or the tides, it can change...and the best way to change the tide is in real life...not in a club....

Checklist?

This is the overall sequence of most pulls
1. See
2. Walk over
3. Get attention
4. First words
5.She starts to participate in the conversation
6. She becomes sexually interested in the guy talking
7. Guy makes the path easy for them to continue their connection in private

The checklist is between steps 5-6, and what turns you from random guy to guy she's fucking.

In terms of tricks, tips, gambits, techniques - this is where a lot of that fits.

Jokes, dirty jokes
Observations
Cold reads
Stories
Questions that lead somewhere

Overall the dude is trying to engage her mind, more than impress her.

A regular dude tells a joke to make her laugh so that she associates him with laughter, and then things he's cool, then he's a guy she should fuck.

A new player tells three jokes, joke one is funny, joke two is funny, joke three means he's funny - and new player thinks like guy without game.

Veteran player tells a joke that makes her laugh, and uses her laughter as a way to get deeper into who she is
a) she gets more invested
b) he gets more intelligence on how she responds to him

So the veteran sees all the various tools, like value elicitation, as ways to get her to invest.

He's doing more head work with less words, but greater intention.

To go back to the 10 problem and limits of game - you need a bit of trust on some level to take a chick to a deeper place, be it her being contemplative, introspective, reflective or mischievous and sexual.

As an example

Rocking with a chick back in the day. Dance floor, dark, she's got me on the wall, grinding your boy up. She goes in for the kiss because we got some plausible deniability. The kiss is whatever. It doesn't mean much in this context. On the timeline, and in context, the dancing as sexual as it may look, is really just the conversation - nothing sexual connected to me.

I push her off a bit and tell her to kiss me like she loves me.

And then the dam breaks. Her whole demeanor changes.

From there it was handling her friends.

One of my girlfriends put me on to this way of thinking about the switch from casual conversation, general sexual, to something specific and centered on the guy.

In my mind, I'm still up in the air over the idea of association. I'm of the mind that it rarely works, but I'm of the experience that getting a chick engaged is major catnip that results in bangs.

I read stuff on app design now to make sense of the game

WIA

(03-29-2017 12:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Checklist?

This is the overall sequence of most pulls
1. See
2. Walk over
3. Get attention
4. First words
5.She starts to participate in the conversation
6. She becomes sexually interested in the guy talking
7. Guy makes the path easy for them to continue their connection in private

The checklist is between steps 5-6, and what turns you from random guy to guy she's fucking.

Yes, this is what i'm focusing on. My checklist is post pull, already gotten the number and now it's time to chop it up on the phone or in person.

(03-29-2017 12:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  In terms of tricks, tips, gambits, techniques - this is where a lot of that fits.

Jokes, dirty jokes
Observations
Cold reads
Stories
Questions that lead somewhere

Overall the dude is trying to engage her mind, more than impress her.

A regular dude tells a joke to make her laugh so that she associates him with laughter, and then things he's cool, then he's a guy she should fuck.

A new player tells three jokes, joke one is funny, joke two is funny, joke three means he's funny - and new player thinks like guy without game.

Veteran player tells a joke that makes her laugh, and uses her laughter as a way to get deeper into who she is
a) she gets more invested
b) he gets more intelligence on how she responds to him

So the veteran sees all the various tools, like value elicitation, as ways to get her to invest.

He's doing more head work with less words, but greater intention.

Solid! As far as the questions that lead somewhere, lately I've been saying crazy shit like "what do you think our kids would look like?" or Once you get dyck whipped will you be the possessive type?"

My tendency to say outrageous shit has hit an all time high because I think I'm truly outcome independent at this stage in my life. I'm not fucking for free anymore and have become uber selective with who I want to spend my valuable time on.

(03-29-2017 12:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  To go back to the 10 problem and limits of game - you need a bit of trust on some level to take a chick to a deeper place, be it her being contemplative, introspective, reflective or mischievous and sexual.

As an example

Rocking with a chick back in the day. Dance floor, dark, she's got me on the wall, grinding your boy up. She goes in for the kiss because we got some plausible deniability. The kiss is whatever. It doesn't mean much in this context. On the timeline, and in context, the dancing as sexual as it may look, is really just the conversation - nothing sexual connected to me.

I push her off a bit and tell her to kiss me like she loves me.

And then the dam breaks. Her whole demeanor changes.


I read stuff on app design now to make sense of the game

WIA

I love this!!

(03-29-2017 11:30 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  On another note, I put together a lil interaction checklist after inquiring about it before and recently reading WIA comment on the futileness of interactions that consist of just "talking and seeing where it goes."

• C/F (Humor is a huge part of my personality and the cockiness is minimal)
• Qualification
• Disqualification
• Eliciting 90/10 convo
• Kino, if in person
• Push/Pull
• Cut the interaction short at it's peak
  

On the C/F I say up the cockiness but in a fun way. Implemented over the course of executing your checklist things like

"Stop hitting on me"
"Trying to turn me on I see..."
"Stop trying to make me your boyfriend"
"Next thing I know you'll be trying to stalk me.."
"We have a lot in common this is weird...did you Facebook stalk me?"


Why cut the interaction short at its peak? To me the interaction isn't at its peak until there is a sexual interest without it being overtly physically sexual. That is when you pull the plug after you have her seeing you as a person she wants to bang and not a person that she had a fun time talking to.
I just lost a girl I went on a date to because I never escalated to a sexual plane despite kino and C/F conversation.

Just saw WIA's stuff so I guess I'm on somewhat of the right path

(03-29-2017 12:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Checklist?

This is the overall sequence of most pulls
1. See
2. Walk over
3. Get attention
4. First words
5.She starts to participate in the conversation
6. She becomes sexually interested in the guy talking
7. Guy makes the path easy for them to continue their connection in private

The checklist is between steps 5-6, and what turns you from random guy to guy she's fucking.

In terms of tricks, tips, gambits, techniques - this is where a lot of that fits.

Logistics fits in here as well?

Quote:I read stuff on app design now to make sense of the game

WIA

"True wisdom is the understanding of one things underlying concepts and truths and how they relate to something that seems totally irrelevant but is not"

That shit is the truth. I used to play basketball and run track and geometry helped me out a lot in both sports.

(03-29-2017 12:40 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  On the C/F I say up the cockiness but in a fun way. Implemented over the course of executing your checklist things like

"Stop hitting on me"
"Trying to turn me on I see..."
"Stop trying to make me your boyfriend"
"Next thing I know you'll be trying to stalk me.."
"We have a lot in common this is weird...did you Facebook stalk me?"


Why cut the interaction short at its peak? To me the interaction isn't at its peak until there is a sexual interest without it being overtly physically sexual. That is when you pull the plug after you have her seeing you as a person she wants to bang and not a person that she had a fun time talking to.
I just lost a girl I went on a date to because I never escalated to a sexual plane despite kino and C/F conversation.

Yea man solid input. Unfortunately, I've had a habit of failing to sexualize my convo's. This is one the reasons I wanted to come up with mental check list to tick off with EVERY interaction so I can avoid this.

My new acronym is (ABF) Always Be Flirting






Good input on leading vs carrying conversations with broads. I've been doing mostly online game lately and can completely relate to bishes with lackluster one word responses. Can't stand that shit and usually end up quickly moving on.

@Mufasa

I get the logistics (her situation) after the conversation opens, but before I go heavy with the validation.

For bang purposes, drop girls with bad logistics.

For the bigger picture, the ideal of game is to spot the chick you want and talk your way into her life no matter the logistics. Every time you get the prize, it's hard to value it. Diff topic

WIA

@DB
I always led conversations by giving options that could only benefit me, after some cocky line as KD put, there was no misinterpretation, the way I wanted her to answer to me was, each time, pointed to open about something sexual from her part.

She can only choose the one you wanted her to, then you keep going, if she doesn't pick one I accused her of not being into it or to be affraid of her own self because she might discover the deep dark personna she's hiding and that was the one I wanted to really see...

Got this from "castings" 20y ago, "brush away her concerns or better give her options so she could brush them away herself"

Just came back from Nairobi. Datasheet by the end of the week.