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(03-24-2017 04:59 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: ^The most important thing is that you are true to yourself.
As a collective, black men are not seen as nerds or intellectual.
So when people come across this type of black man, they are not sure how to deal with it.
When you say white girls are looking for some Mandingo fantasy, what exactly are you looking for in them?
For me I am looking for short term fun, which sadly many I meet are looking for relationships and turn sour when they realize I am not.
Looking for acceptance from any woman, sounds like you are trying to put them on a pedestal.
I like Jordan's, I would never buy a pair due to the exorbitant price and the fact so many guys wear them.
Clothes shouldn't be an issue, but we are all judged on the way we look and dress.
I personally have never been huge into YT woman, and the few times I was, it was for the same reasons as you. Personally for me, the cultural gap is too big to ever try for something serious in my opinion. I've found that many YT women have an interest in black men the same way you might have interest in an animal you've only seen on Nat Geo or youtube. It's fascinating, it looks cool, but the dangers and social complications associated with it prevent you from ever trying to get genuinely close to this animal.
Your clothing comment I agree with 100%. Appearances are judged, and has always been the case in life. My comment was more related to the fact that a lot of the time when I see black men discussing game, many a time its in a "how can I make such and such group" feel comfortable, "what suit will allow me to blend in and distract from my skin", etc, etc. To me it comes across as a lot of guys running away from something to blend in, rather than a genuine interest in a certain style or type of venue. I got a sense in the previous post i responded to that there was an undertone of that, hence my workplace analogy. Looking for acceptance from a group that never really saw you as much more than a utility will lead to disappointment.
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(03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: (03-24-2017 04:59 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: ^The most important thing is that you are true to yourself.
As a collective, black men are not seen as nerds or intellectual.
So when people come across this type of black man, they are not sure how to deal with it.
When you say white girls are looking for some Mandingo fantasy, what exactly are you looking for in them?
For me I am looking for short term fun, which sadly many I meet are looking for relationships and turn sour when they realize I am not.
Looking for acceptance from any woman, sounds like you are trying to put them on a pedestal.
I like Jordan's, I would never buy a pair due to the exorbitant price and the fact so many guys wear them.
Clothes shouldn't be an issue, but we are all judged on the way we look and dress.
I personally have never been huge into YT woman, and the few times I was, it was for the same reasons as you. Personally for me, the cultural gap is too big to ever try for something serious in my opinion. I've found that many YT women have an interest in black men the same way you might have interest in an animal you've only seen on Nat Geo or youtube. It's fascinating, it looks cool, but the dangers and social complications associated with it prevent you from ever trying to get genuinely close to this animal.
Interesting observations and I can't say I disagree.
So you are saying they view us like some wild beasts. Well beastiality is quite common among them.
So what would you say to the young black guys that are looking to be accepted and seen as equal?
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(03-25-2017 01:36 PM)Iso Wrote: I like Jordans (I have 5 pairs), but I haven't bought them in a while. When do you wear Jordan's? Almost never. At work, I wear dress shoes. Going out casually to the mall, I'll wear a pair of comfortable sneakers. At night, I wear nice shoes because you can't get into a lot of places with Jordan's.
As an adult, there are few times when you can wear Jordans. I guess you can wear them to play ball or go to the gym. For lots of men, they don't want to do that because ball will wear down their $200 shoes easily. I only wear my Jordans at the gym these days.
I never wear Jordans unless I am going to play basketball. My feet are big so they look blatantly obvious, hard to hide them away under some trousers or jeans and basketball trainers use up material just for the sake of looking spacious.
I bought some Shaqs and dem shyts looked like I was about to float across the English Channel in my footwear. As said previously, those days of rocking urban gear on my day to day are behind me. I actually enjoy wearing Stacey Adams or Kenneth Coles on a casual tip, my feet don't get sore and I don't prefer something more comfortable. I like to dress as if I might be whisked suddenly into a formal event so it's usually always business casual. I personally feel it keeps people on their toes and shows one they are about business. The only drawback is that one may give off that provider vibe (which is a slight personal problem of mine) although I'm #Team Anti-Appetisers like a mofo.
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(03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: I personally have never been huge into YT woman, and the few times I was, it was for the same reasons as you. Personally for me, the cultural gap is too big to ever try for something serious in my opinion. I've found that many YT women have an interest in black men the same way you might have interest in an animal you've only seen on Nat Geo or youtube. It's fascinating, it looks cool, but the dangers and social complications associated with it prevent you from ever trying to get genuinely close to this animal.
Yeah, I'm not that extreme to be honest.
I just tend to like women and can find something attractive in pretty much every group out there.
I've never thought of them to be some sort of unwinnable prize because I find them to be the exact opposite of that. Just on #'s, it's easier to get a good looking white girl than a good looking girl of any other color. I have to go OUT OF MY WAY to avoid white girls.
(03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: Your clothing comment I agree with 100%. Appearances are judged, and has always been the case in life. My comment was more related to the fact that a lot of the time when I see black men discussing game, many a time its in a "how can I make such and such group" feel comfortable, "what suit will allow me to blend in and distract from my skin", etc, etc.
I notice that too. It's disconcerting.
(03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: To me it comes across as a lot of guys running away from something to blend in, rather than a genuine interest in a certain style or type of venue. I got a sense in the previous post i responded to that there was an undertone of that, hence my workplace analogy. Looking for acceptance from a group that never really saw you as much more than a utility will lead to disappointment.
Again, I don't think it's that "black and white".
Black people aren't monolithic, and neither are white people.
It's when both groups start competing for resources - that things become an issue, in my view.
More often than not - the "pie" is getting eaten by forces unseen.
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(03-24-2017 05:16 PM)Going strong Wrote: (03-24-2017 02:06 PM)Iso Wrote: (03-24-2017 02:49 AM)the high Wrote: There is a perception that Black men have more game on average than non-Black men, so when a woman Black or non-Black encounters a Black man with bad game she will punish him harder(next him faster) than if he were non-Black.
As a non-traditional Black Man (nerdy), I've noticed that as well. I expected that treatment from Black Women, so it wasn't a surprise. But, I realized that White Women act like that too. I've tried in the past to talk about white girl interests like wine, yoga, travel, etc. to white women. White Women would get confused why a 6 foot tall in shape Black Man is talking to them about those topics. They didn't know what to do with a Black Man like that.
Nowadays, I'm trying to tone that stuff down and focus more on being aggressive and having a dominant frame. Acting like a White Beta does not work for Black men.
Acting like a White Beta does not work for White men either, mind you!
I mean, I'm White, and if I act nerdy with White women and talk to them about yoga (whatever that is, no idea) and vegan food (whatever that is, no idea), I'll end up in beta-orbiting. I know, I've tried, in the past. 
So, whatever the races involved, only alpha or almost-alpha men get quality chicks. Betas are left with internet porn, or fatties.
What I find is that women tend to have certain expectations of us and when you deviate from this they get confused and/or lose attraction. We get kind of put into a box and its hard to come out.
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(03-25-2017 01:57 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: (03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: (03-24-2017 04:59 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: ^The most important thing is that you are true to yourself.
As a collective, black men are not seen as nerds or intellectual.
So when people come across this type of black man, they are not sure how to deal with it.
When you say white girls are looking for some Mandingo fantasy, what exactly are you looking for in them?
For me I am looking for short term fun, which sadly many I meet are looking for relationships and turn sour when they realize I am not.
Looking for acceptance from any woman, sounds like you are trying to put them on a pedestal.
I like Jordan's, I would never buy a pair due to the exorbitant price and the fact so many guys wear them.
Clothes shouldn't be an issue, but we are all judged on the way we look and dress.
I personally have never been huge into YT woman, and the few times I was, it was for the same reasons as you. Personally for me, the cultural gap is too big to ever try for something serious in my opinion. I've found that many YT women have an interest in black men the same way you might have interest in an animal you've only seen on Nat Geo or youtube. It's fascinating, it looks cool, but the dangers and social complications associated with it prevent you from ever trying to get genuinely close to this animal.
Interesting observations and I can't say I disagree.
So you are saying they view us like some wild beasts. Well beastiality is quite common among them.
So what would you say to the young black guys that are looking to be accepted and seen as equal?
Lmao at beastiality, I spat out my drink. A lot the time I feel we are trying to be seen not as equal but safe. AKA "look, I'm not like them". You see it all the time in the manosphere as well even with black men and the white counterparts where theres this desire to be accepted as the kosher negro. "Oh I don't like rap music", "Oh I wear suits", "I hate BLM too". It's a pandering more than an equalness. In a broad sense it communicates subservience like a golden retriever, even if everyone in the room in smiling in your approval after those comments.
To bring it back to the context of game, The pedalstool comes through in the desire and constant research to be a comfy addition to said YT womans life or maybe even an asian, indian woman with an envy for the YT woman's lifestyle and social status, that has adapted the same dispostion towards us and our culture(s). I know for a fact the Beckys aren't gathered on any forum trying to genuinely make us feel comfortable or adapt complex hobbies to get near us. At most they want to know the address of the surgeon that did work on the Kardashians so they can get their own hersheys bar to parade around on instagram.
The white dudes in the Philippines thread don't ask a lot of the questions we do. Many show up in board shorts and flip flops looking to capitalize on a status level they have, that in order to understand, you'd have to be familiar with a lot of history. Once your familiar in that sense you can understand why a dude with a potbelly, ingrown toenails and a pension can stumble into 10 plus notches.
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(03-24-2017 05:16 PM)Going strong Wrote: (03-24-2017 02:06 PM)Iso Wrote: As a non-traditional Black Man (nerdy), I've noticed that as well. I expected that treatment from Black Women, so it wasn't a surprise. But, I realized that White Women act like that too. I've tried in the past to talk about white girl interests like wine, yoga, travel, etc. to white women. White Women would get confused why a 6 foot tall in shape Black Man is talking to them about those topics. They didn't know what to do with a Black Man like that.
Nowadays, I'm trying to tone that stuff down and focus more on being aggressive and having a dominant frame. Acting like a White Beta does not work for Black men.
Acting like a White Beta does not work for White men either, mind you!
I mean, I'm White, and if I act nerdy with White women and talk to them about yoga (whatever that is, no idea) and vegan food (whatever that is, no idea), I'll end up in beta-orbiting. I know, I've tried, in the past. 
So, whatever the races involved, only alpha or almost-alpha men get quality chicks. Betas are left with internet porn, or fatties.
While White Women aren't that attracted to White Betas, they still enter a lot of relationships and marriages with them. They are the 2nd choice, but they still end up in relationships. For Beta Black Men, its not like that at all. You get punished a lot more for being nerdy, weak, or intellectual. Black Steve Urkel will not get in a relationship with a white or black woman at all. White version of Steve Urkel still has a shot at getting married to a white woman.
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(03-25-2017 02:45 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: (03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: I personally have never been huge into YT woman, and the few times I was, it was for the same reasons as you. Personally for me, the cultural gap is too big to ever try for something serious in my opinion. I've found that many YT women have an interest in black men the same way you might have interest in an animal you've only seen on Nat Geo or youtube. It's fascinating, it looks cool, but the dangers and social complications associated with it prevent you from ever trying to get genuinely close to this animal.
Yeah, I'm not that extreme to be honest.
I just tend to like women and can find something attractive in pretty much every group out there.
I've never thought of them to be some sort of unwinnable prize because I find them to be the exact opposite of that. Just on #'s, it's easier to get a good looking white girl than a good looking girl of any other color. I have to go OUT OF MY WAY to avoid white girls.
(03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: Your clothing comment I agree with 100%. Appearances are judged, and has always been the case in life. My comment was more related to the fact that a lot of the time when I see black men discussing game, many a time its in a "how can I make such and such group" feel comfortable, "what suit will allow me to blend in and distract from my skin", etc, etc.
I notice that too. It's disconcerting.
(03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: To me it comes across as a lot of guys running away from something to blend in, rather than a genuine interest in a certain style or type of venue. I got a sense in the previous post i responded to that there was an undertone of that, hence my workplace analogy. Looking for acceptance from a group that never really saw you as much more than a utility will lead to disappointment.
Again, I don't think it's that "black and white".
Black people aren't monolithic, and neither are white people.
It's when both groups start competing for resources - that things become an issue, in my view.
More often than not - the "pie" is getting eaten by forces unseen.
WIA
Unlike a lot of dudes I can actually believe you when you say you don't go looking for them as a status symbol simply because of what I've read from you in this thread alone. I was more so speaking to the majority and what I've read here and even in youtube comments and what not.
With regards to your monolithic comment, I agree 100%. Those comments I made were general observations. My comments general are related to the fact YT women are some sort of diamond by the standards of many. Thats why you have the colorism you have in the Caribbean, South America, Mexico, India and etc. Even those without a lot of Melanin want to get as far away from it as possible even if they won't admit it. And a simple review of history can show you where that fear/hatred of self originated, as a tool.
To expand on the resources comment: You'll notice the articles popping up about how black men are taking the "white queens" and "soiling them" from one side of the aisle and the the "how do I get into that house music bar and blend in to talk to YT women that prefer Connor". Its a symptom of a broader issue that has to be addressed if your going to game as a black man because you have to accept and know that things will be different for you and WHY it will be different.
Personally, I refuse to run from who I am and what I like. If I feel like wearing Jordan 4's I will, regardless if Peggy Sue is alright with it. If I put on Kendrick in the car, and Becky changes it to Calvin Harris because its "not as heavy", she should be happy to walk.
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(03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: (03-24-2017 04:59 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: ^The most important thing is that you are true to yourself.
As a collective, black men are not seen as nerds or intellectual.
So when people come across this type of black man, they are not sure how to deal with it.
When you say white girls are looking for some Mandingo fantasy, what exactly are you looking for in them?
For me I am looking for short term fun, which sadly many I meet are looking for relationships and turn sour when they realize I am not.
Looking for acceptance from any woman, sounds like you are trying to put them on a pedestal.
I like Jordan's, I would never buy a pair due to the exorbitant price and the fact so many guys wear them.
Clothes shouldn't be an issue, but we are all judged on the way we look and dress.
I personally have never been huge into YT woman, and the few times I was, it was for the same reasons as you. Personally for me, the cultural gap is too big to ever try for something serious in my opinion. I've found that many YT women have an interest in black men the same way you might have interest in an animal you've only seen on Nat Geo or youtube. It's fascinating, it looks cool, but the dangers and social complications associated with it prevent you from ever trying to get genuinely close to this animal.
Your clothing comment I agree with 100%. Appearances are judged, and has always been the case in life. My comment was more related to the fact that a lot of the time when I see black men discussing game, many a time its in a "how can I make such and such group" feel comfortable, "what suit will allow me to blend in and distract from my skin", etc, etc. To me it comes across as a lot of guys running away from something to blend in, rather than a genuine interest in a certain style or type of venue. I got a sense in the previous post i responded to that there was an undertone of that, hence my workplace analogy. Looking for acceptance from a group that never really saw you as much more than a utility will lead to disappointment.
I can't speak for anyone else but when I talk about tailoring your style to your demographic, it 's more knowing your audience than trying to make people forget your Black (virtually impossible). Even if you exclusively talk to Black women you should still be cognizant of the effect your style has on them, as they respond to certain types of things as well.
On a related note, I think a forum like this that caters to Black men would be dope. Imagine a everything else forum where we could talk about Ivan Van Sertima and Claude Anderson.
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(03-26-2017 02:24 AM)the high Wrote: (03-25-2017 01:01 PM)Mayweather Wrote: (03-24-2017 04:59 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: ^The most important thing is that you are true to yourself.
As a collective, black men are not seen as nerds or intellectual.
So when people come across this type of black man, they are not sure how to deal with it.
When you say white girls are looking for some Mandingo fantasy, what exactly are you looking for in them?
For me I am looking for short term fun, which sadly many I meet are looking for relationships and turn sour when they realize I am not.
Looking for acceptance from any woman, sounds like you are trying to put them on a pedestal.
I like Jordan's, I would never buy a pair due to the exorbitant price and the fact so many guys wear them.
Clothes shouldn't be an issue, but we are all judged on the way we look and dress.
I personally have never been huge into YT woman, and the few times I was, it was for the same reasons as you. Personally for me, the cultural gap is too big to ever try for something serious in my opinion. I've found that many YT women have an interest in black men the same way you might have interest in an animal you've only seen on Nat Geo or youtube. It's fascinating, it looks cool, but the dangers and social complications associated with it prevent you from ever trying to get genuinely close to this animal.
Your clothing comment I agree with 100%. Appearances are judged, and has always been the case in life. My comment was more related to the fact that a lot of the time when I see black men discussing game, many a time its in a "how can I make such and such group" feel comfortable, "what suit will allow me to blend in and distract from my skin", etc, etc. To me it comes across as a lot of guys running away from something to blend in, rather than a genuine interest in a certain style or type of venue. I got a sense in the previous post i responded to that there was an undertone of that, hence my workplace analogy. Looking for acceptance from a group that never really saw you as much more than a utility will lead to disappointment.
On a related note, I think a forum like this that caters to Black men would be dope. Imagine a everything else forum where we could talk about Ivan Van Sertima and Claude Anderson.
I could imagine the hate that would flood in from black women and some other brothers at the beginning though. The topics we talk about here are pretty controversial in the black community.
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(03-25-2017 03:08 PM)Mayweather Wrote: Lmao at beastiality, I spat out my drink. A lot the time I feel we are trying to be seen not as equal but safe. AKA "look, I'm not like them". You see it all the time in the manosphere as well even with black men and the white counterparts where theres this desire to be accepted as the kosher negro. "Oh I don't like rap music", "Oh I wear suits", "I hate BLM too". It's a pandering more than an equalness. In a broad sense it communicates subservience like a golden retriever, even if everyone in the room in smiling in your approval after those comments.
To bring it back to the context of game, The pedalstool comes through in the desire and constant research to be a comfy addition to said YT womans life or maybe even an asian, indian woman with an envy for the YT woman's lifestyle and social status, that has adapted the same dispostion towards us and our culture(s). I know for a fact the Beckys aren't gathered on any forum trying to genuinely make us feel comfortable or adapt complex hobbies to get near us. At most they want to know the address of the surgeon that did work on the Kardashians so they can get their own hersheys bar to parade around on instagram.
The white dudes in the Philippines thread don't ask a lot of the questions we do. Many show up in board shorts and flip flops looking to capitalize on a status level they have, that in order to understand, you'd have to be familiar with a lot of history. Once your familiar in that sense you can understand why a dude with a potbelly, ingrown toenails and a pension can stumble into 10 plus notches.
I don't think we are trying to pander that was the point of my comment on the aggressiveness. Any player has an aggressiveness to his game to be successful. Girls don't want us as a "comfy" addition to their lives they want what they have been spoonfed (like WIA said: social conditioning) about black males. Over aggression, hyper sexual, very personal game. I was saying that we have a pass to really over do it in how bold we can be pushing the envelope forward in our approaches, what we say, and our body language. When we don't do these things girls find themselves disappointed that what they watched in some damn music video did not occur. They curve us and seek out another male to give them the black experience:
(03-24-2017 02:49 AM)the high Wrote: There is a perception that Black men have more game on average than non-Black men, so when a woman Black or non-Black encounters a Black man with bad game she will punish him harder(next him faster) than if he were non-Black.
(03-25-2017 07:11 PM)Moma Wrote: But for a black guy that is aware of the issues AND has healed himself of those concerns, does he end up doing better than the guy who chops through the bush blissfully unaware?
I think the black guy in bold does better.
Just because the other guy isn't aware doesnt mean that the exepections haven't been cast upon him. Wheather he knows it or not the are expecting him to act a certain way and if he doesnt they will shut him out as well. Maybe in day game where you have a chance to show that you come from a different culture you can get a slight pass but in night game interactions happen too fast for them to care about changing their perception of a black male.
Also for me its not about "healing" its about understanding the concerns and flipping the script to where they work in my favor--also why I think the black in bolded above does better.
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