Post: #4176

(01-30-2017 10:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 08:51 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I need some game input from you guys:

I was out nightgaming a little over a week ago and here is what happened:

Thank you for this post! Well written, very detailed, and lets me think about aspects of the game that I've internalized
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To fuck the big titty chick - you needed to get the obstacle chick socially engaged. And then had a plan to get them both back to your place, to do an activity/after party - something that would occupy the obstacle while you fucked her sister.

Maybe Germany is different - where tons of girls go out on the solo, but this is a typical Friday night over here. End of the night people management is what stops intermediate players from getting consistent same night lays and ALSO not building a social circle that can do the attraction/trust build work for him.

The conservative play
- get the target chick on your side, emotionally, not sexually
- engage the obstacle chick, and get her to bless your union
- almost kiss the target, but then shift gears and make plans
- get the contact info
- hope that that the target chick is still feeling you, and doesn't feel bad for you giving her the female version of blue balls at the venue

The aggressive play is
- get the target chick on your side at the venue
- engage the obstacle chick, and make her feel cool
- introduce the obstacle chick to all the people at the venue, all the sets you talked to before you go to them.
- after party at your place
- obstacle chick stays in the living room playing mario kart and smoking hookah
- target chick comes to your bedroom to take the dick GGG style

This easy when I lay it out like this, but the# of big titty sisters I've missed out on....

WIA

(01-30-2017 01:02 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  That scenario plays out the same every time.

We would have ALL gone for the big titted sister, the other sister knows why you went for her.

Engage both of them equally, not showing your cards.

In a hostile environment like a nightclub, your best move is to eject and venue change. Hopefully, the next venue is your place. If not then a venue where you can talk to them both.

The fact that they lived far away, would have me curious.

They came to the club looking for action, it seems.

Next time, get both of their numbers and tell them lets hook up again soon.

It seems like I was at a serious disadvantage here from the beginning.

The lived in Bonn and took a seriously expensive taxi home.. shit had to be 50€ or 60€ or more. Who knows. I think they would have preferred a cool place to crash instead of doing that.

Dimebait I did try what you said but my boy just got nervous, started hesitating and that was the FIRST time ive seen him cold approaching. In social circles and settings hes normally a very funny charismatic kind of dude. Even when introduced to girls! Soon as it was time for the cold approach in the nightclub he froze up like a deer in the headlights. Haven't been out with a guy like that in years. What are we 19?

I should have:

#1 not been so aggressive and making out with the sister like that. Just a peck and move on so that her sister didn't get bored and we could have partied "together". My dick and alcohol took over the rational thinking.

also good possibilites

- Sent my girl to engage the obstacle chick.
- I know alot of staff in the venue and should have introduced them around a bit.
- Strangle my wingman (who is also an American brother in Germany) in front of them. (just kidding but yeah)

I don't think ive had that situation before but now after input from you guys it seems clear. I should have slowed the interaction down and carried both sisters on my back and then isolate the big titty one at a later time. I got greedy.


So the verdict is.... the big titty one got buyers remorse or what???? I can't understand the rationale of blocking my number though. I usually take my Ls like a winner but damn so close but yet so far.

Sounds like one itis but its so hard to find girls out here in Germany who look like that.

Post: #4177

I'm wondering if it's technically ASD not Buyer's Remorse. (and the corollary is whether there are techniques to handle both differently)

But a valuable lesson was learned.

Now how do your night game club pulls usually go?

It sounds like our styles are very similar.

WIA

Post: #4178

(01-30-2017 02:21 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  That's an expensive hotel though.

The big titty chick invented the problem by bringing her sister.
In their world, they would have met 2 guys, and went back to their place, and somehow had sex.

WIA

If you have a guaranteed bang but no place, hotel does the job. Dropping $100 might suck, but its not a bad investment if you have a guaranteed bang. I'm of the opinion that the $100 is worth it because there is a 95% chance you won't see her again if you get her number.

Post: #4179

(01-30-2017 03:19 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  The lived in Bonn and took a seriously expensive taxi home.. shit had to be 50€ or 60€ or more. Who knows. I think they would have preferred a cool place to crash instead of doing that.

I am sure they would have preferred that to paying 60 euros for a cab.

Sounds like they came to "party".

The fact that they come from another city, makes me think a 3 some might have been on the table. That could be me fantasizing of course.

I am curious if you would of splashed the money for a hotel?

Post: #4180

(01-30-2017 04:29 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:19 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  The lived in Bonn and took a seriously expensive taxi home.. shit had to be 50€ or 60€ or more. Who knows. I think they would have preferred a cool place to crash instead of doing that.

I am sure they would have preferred that to paying 60 euros for a cab.

Sounds like they came to "party".

The fact that they come from another city, makes me think a 3 some might have been on the table. That could be me fantasizing of course.

I am curious if you would of splashed the money for a hotel?

I think 3some would have been possible if they were friends, but I don't see sisters agreeing to a 3some. Does anyone here experience with a 3some with sisters?

Post: #4181

(01-30-2017 04:10 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 02:21 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  That's an expensive hotel though.

The big titty chick invented the problem by bringing her sister.
In their world, they would have met 2 guys, and went back to their place, and somehow had sex.

WIA

If you have a guaranteed bang but no place, hotel does the job. Dropping $100 might suck, but its not a bad investment if you have a guaranteed bang. I'm of the opinion that the $100 is worth it because there is a 95% chance you won't see her again if you get her number.

None of that looked guaranteed to me. Just having the hotel ahead of time is no guarantee that the sister wouldn't cockblock him.

If she was super into him, they could have got busy in the bathroom.

WIA

Post: #4182

(01-30-2017 04:29 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:19 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  The lived in Bonn and took a seriously expensive taxi home.. shit had to be 50€ or 60€ or more. Who knows. I think they would have preferred a cool place to crash instead of doing that.

I am sure they would have preferred that to paying 60 euros for a cab.

Sounds like they came to "party".

The fact that they come from another city, makes me think a 3 some might have been on the table. That could be me fantasizing of course.

I am curious if you would of splashed the money for a hotel?

4 some sure, 3 some with her sister? doubt it.
But it's also Western Europe




But if it was GUARANTEED - of course you spring for it.

It's never GUARANTEED.

If I had a nickle for every time I "knew" it was on, just for a chick to fall out of the spell after I'd invested some time into her ass.

Even in the aggressive phase, I have to play my part to the hilt. There's never any easing up on the game. She has to keep seeking your validation 1) you're in the grave, 2) you're tired of her.

WIA

Post: #4183

Having a centrally located apartment/airbnb is so important. well worth the money.

Post: #4184

(01-30-2017 04:49 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  Having a centrally located apartment/airbnb is so important. well worth the money.

It'd be an extra 2500 a month for me to do that.

Lemme bring back an oldie but goodie.

How many bangs per month would I need to get to justify that 2500 a month?

4? 8? 12?

WIA

Post: #4185

(01-30-2017 05:01 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 04:49 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  Having a centrally located apartment/airbnb is so important. well worth the money.

It'd be an extra 2500 a month for me to do that.

Lemme bring back an oldie but goodie.

How many bangs per month would I need to get to justify that 2500 a month?

4? 8? 12?

WIA

Christ, that's a lot of money. I couldn't justify doing that either if it cost me that much.

But to answer the question, if i was going to pay an extra 2500, id have to get laid at least 8 times a month with new girls to justify that

Post: #4186

I will try to keep this as concise as I can.

A typical nightclub pull (non-bottle service) goes like this:

1. Get to nightclub reasonably early - 11:30 or so before party really pops off. So I can watch what girls are coming in and line up girls according to priority who I want to target.

2. Marketing - Walk around the club. Meeting and greeting staff, DJ, people in the scene, shake hands... etc etc etc. Maybe a drink or two.

3. "Pre-Game" girls - Open girls briefly but don't stay too long. Have a quick convo and say I gotta run but ill catch up to you later in the night. So when the party really pops off you can go back and open them again.

4. Game girls - Walk around the club socializing again and start to look around club to see if I can can "catch eyes" with any of my targets, starting from the one im most interested in and work my way down. If nothing happens I just start opening and go from there.

- I prefer to game on the Dancefloor. I learned game originally on the dancefloor and my dancefloor game is the strongest I have today. I am a good dancer and usually can out dance most girls (not a hard feat in Germany) and this an extremely easy way for me to push pull and build attraction and comfort without working too hard.

- I will game girls at the bar - Open in English.. depending on my gut I will do a spontaneous opener (comment on a funny situation) or I will use a simple opener.. or simply bump her glass against mine and say "Prost" - cheers in German. This is a fairly simple way to open girls here.

- Dancefloor game is the easiest way to break into groups of multiple girls as well when you can't get directly to the one you want... you just join the group. Don't get directly to the one you want immediately.. just throw down some moves.. " join the group" and slowly work your way over there and get yourself introduced or so..

5. Meet her friends and eventually isolate girl - buy drinks if needed, go out for cigarette if needed.... good, funny conversation, build rapport, check logistics

6. Start to escalate again and go for kiss close.. let it heat it up a bit

7. Make up some reason for you guys to go back to your place... have close/local place stocked with good food, breakfast and drinks. German girls love American Pancakes with Syrup haha.

8. Push through that LMR if there is any and get it done.


Naturally this is easier said than done and a bit more detailed than this but an overview of how I do it.

I also run bottle service game once in a while.... also VIP game if I am in my friends nightclub. I generally don't do bar or day game but want to push more of that this year.

Post: #4187

Kirkdiesel's situation

Why didn't you try to pull both chicks?

Worst case - bring your wingman as a "sacrifice." He comes back to the crib with y'all then leaves.

Post: #4188

(01-28-2017 08:28 PM)Iso Wrote:  Anyone have an idea what shoes KG is wearing in the first 8 seconds of this video? They look fresh. I want to wear those out one night

I found the shoes from the video. I was willing to spend a few hundred bucks to get them. Turns out that they retail at $1,000

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/11228463726...noapp=true

Post: #4189

I have never heard of a sister 3 some, but I have heard of more than a few mother/daughter 3 somes.

Don't really see the difference.

Post: #4190

I missed the memo where they were actual sisters.

In that case I would try to "set her up" with one your friends. Even if they don't bang, some guy to entertain her will go a long way.

Post: #4191

8 times a month, new girl each time to justify a logistically convenient apartment.

Seeing thoughts like this get me hype for the heights I can reach with game.

Post: #4192

(01-31-2017 08:40 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  8 times a month, new girl each time to justify a logistically convenient apartment.

Seeing thoughts like this get me hype for the heights I can reach with game.

Not just in game but holistically my man!

Post: #4193

(01-30-2017 05:33 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:01 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 04:49 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  Having a centrally located apartment/airbnb is so important. well worth the money.

It'd be an extra 2500 a month for me to do that.

Lemme bring back an oldie but goodie.

How many bangs per month would I need to get to justify that 2500 a month?

4? 8? 12?

WIA

Christ, that's a lot of money. I couldn't justify doing that either if it cost me that much.

But to answer the question, if i was going to pay an extra 2500, id have to get laid at least 8 times a month with new girls to justify that

Forrealz!

Waaay to much effort, time and resources just for poossy. That time, effort and resources would be much better spent investing in a business, or other investments.

*Old Geezer rant*

I've banged a LOT of bishes in my lifetime. If I died today I'd probably be in the 98th percentile. That said, I also wasted a lot of time and effort chasing poossy that could have been spent building my empire. I know this is meaningless when your hormones are raging like a dog in heat, but if I had it to do all over again, I'd be on some Mark (zuckerberg, cuban) like shit in my younger days. Remember what Tony Montanna said to Manolo . . .

Post: #4194

Cologne update:

Months ago some on this thread mentioned Tom Ford Vanilla Tobacco cologne. I bought it and had a lot of success with it. Just the other night, 2 different women told me that I smelled good. It's pretty cheap too at about $10.

Post: #4195

^yours truly mentioned the cologne.

I believe you bought the essential oil for $10.

The real Tom Ford cologne retails for $240.

Doesn't matter, a compliment is still a compliment.

Did you keep them guessing or tell them what the scent is?

Post: #4196

They actually have another one called Tobacco Oud.

Pretty similar smell but a serious winner.

I introduced it to a friend the other day, he said it is the best scent he has ever smelled. He got his sugar mommy to buy him a bottle.

Post: #4197

while were on the subject what are some other good scents y'all rock?

i have a GAP one and a ralph lauren sport that comes in a blue bottle as my go to's. Used to rock P-Diddy's Unforgivable in college

Post: #4198

^We covered this before on the thread, page 124

Damn this thread is long.

Post: #4199

(01-31-2017 02:24 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^yours truly mentioned the cologne.

I believe you bought the essential oil for $10.

The real Tom Ford cologne retails for $240.

Doesn't matter, a compliment is still a compliment.

Did you keep them guessing or tell them what the scent is?

Girls cant tell the difference between a $10 cologne and $240 cologne just like they can't tell the difference between $100 and $1,000 shoes and $300 suits vs $5,000 suits.

I didn't tell them what the scent was. All I said was "thanks". If they asked me what it is or if they described the smell, I would have elaborated. I don't know anything about Cologne so I didn't want to discuss it with the women.

Post: #4200

With cologne no one can tell the difference.

But I would debate the part about $100 shoes vs $1000 shoes.

Girls notice things like that, I have had more than a few passing remarks on my shoes.

This could be worth debating, any thoughts?