(02-07-2017 05:02 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  @Excelsior - don't be hard on yourself.

I am probably twice your age and still have to deal with the same BS, that is just the name of the game. Canada maybe not as hardcore as America, but people have the same ideas about black men.

People in general don't know how to handle a black man that doesn't fit into the stereotype.

I don't want to offend anyone, white women aren't the prize. You are the prize, you are educated, eloquent and have a great future ahead of you.

If people are going to make assumptions based on your skin colour, so be it. You cannot change their opinions.

Co-sign the bolded 1,000x's over! These women are like avocados or banana in that once they hit ripeness, it pretty much a wrap after that. Whereas sisters age like fine wine.

Being an educated, goal driven upwardly mobile black man, the sky is literally the limit! It's those stuck in the trap who legitimately have diminished value.

^Sisters age like fine wine when they take care of themselves, but you aren't lying.

Once you leave the West, it ain't even game anymore.

Sure we live nice in North America, but the social aspect is challenging.

There are a handful of brothas on here that are living the dream, the location independent lifestyle.

Any of you guys heard about Charles Tyler?

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 08:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  On the game tip, lots of public displays of affection make private expressions of lust harder, because you're basically deflating the balloon/releasing the sexual tension.

In that situation - where you've established mutual sexual attraction, and you're in that trust build phase, you come at the clueless white chick by raising the taboo factor.

*Change your tone*(because body language is more powerful than verbal language), like you're letting her in on a secret.

"Fuck no would I have an open relationship with a white girl, are you crazy? Like a regular normal white girl?

The truth is. Most white girls use me for sex.

It's because they know that they can't fall in love with me, that they can actually fuck the way they truly want to fuck. They don't need to pretend like they do with white boys.

Never met a girl that didn't love black dick. Or like they say it, black cock. The chicks that do fall in love, I have to school them on why we can't be a couple"

Tell a bitch that she can't bring no black baby back home to her parents, and Caitlin will stoke her own fires.

Tell her about the time you fucked her and her curious roomie.

"There's a girl at this very party that I made squirt for the first time, but I can't violate her like that.

A black man can have as many white girls as he wants, as long as he's discrete.

Tell her about fucking a chick Thursday and seeing her with her boyfriend Friday.

I do really need to tone down the public displays of affection. I get a tremendous number of makeouts in his city with buzzed white girls out on the town, but my conversion rate is far lower than I’d like. I think you’ve perfectly articulated why. The sexual tension is being deflated and I’m also not being as discrete as they would like (creating discomfort, which =/= rapport in the longer term).

I think what you wrote also highlights my more general problem: I’m too used to acting like the boyfriend she meets on Friday, not the guy she fucked on Thursday.

I never really grew up with a lot of game. I was raised in a white town with nothing but white people and no real connection at all to any part of black culture that could “put me on game”, so to speak. I’ve written in here about this before, most of you know the deal.

Because of this, I always viewed the game through a lens that really was more fitting for the white kids I grew up with, not me. I grew up without really perceiving a real difference between me and them. It was really only in college that I learned things had to be different for me because, like it or not, black men cannot approach the game the way white men do here. Race always comes first when it comes to how one is perceived by others – it doesn’t really matter who you are.

The last few years have been a struggle to re-orient my perspective to more closely match what you’ve written here (less “boyfriend” and more “taboo discrete experience”). It’s been extremely difficult, though, because I’m not sure how naturally it comes to me. I need to raise the taboo factor to be successful because of my race, but I don’t know how to do that because I’ve spent so much time viewing myself as the opposite of taboo.

There’s also a piece of me that reflexively resists the taboo aspect and even gets offended by its existence. There’s still a piece of me that’s offended by the fact that many of these girls would only engage with me in a discrete context and only really with a focus on sex and nothing else. I hate the fact that the idea of bringing my child home is so much more problematic than bringing a white, mestizo, or even Eurasian baby home. It still bothers me that I’m viewed so differently from my non-black peers who, from what I can tell, don’t have anything over me intellectually, physically, etc, but seem to be viewed totally differently regardless.

After all that time spent thinking there was no difference between me any other guy of any other race, I still feel this nagging need to be treated more…I dunno…equally? Like a person and not a novel toy to be enjoyed discreetly? It’s a hard mentality to kill and it definitely inhibits my ability to really invest in/play up the taboo factor the way I need to in order to succeed here.

But, like it or not, this is how things are. It doesn’t really matter what I do – the degrees I earn, the diction I use, the knowledge I build, the career I create, the money I make – at the end of the day, they’ll always view me through that racial lens with all of the presumptions that come with it (keep it discrete, sexual focus only, etc, etc) and I’ll have to cope and wrestle with those during the trust-build phase before I’m seen as anything more. I’m a buck/novel toy until proven otherwise. That’s just the nature of the game here in the States.

Quote: The downside to "race play" is that it's exhausting on some levels. It's never that you can't pull, it's do you have the desire/energy to deal with the aftermath.

Exactly. There’s an increasingly loud voice in my head these day telling me that this game and the “prizes” I’m working for (American white girls) might not be worth all of this effort.

As you said:

Quote:I think for a lot of men, moving to a new place and having the society treat you as a person is POWERFUL.

Why work so hard to be with people who see you as black experiment/discrete novelty first and an actual person second (if even that)?

Well you have pretty much articulated the reason I left. I have a similar background to you and when I had the chance to get the fuck out I took it.

I realized the EXACT same things you are mentioning and decided that enough was enough. No matter what you do you are always going to be "the black guy" I had enough of that crap. I thought about going to black women but that just wasn't an option for me either so I just decided to leave.

I still deal with it to an extent as I mentioned above. I mean why the fuck do I have to dress all edgy/tough to get girls? My game isnt drastically different but unfortunately girls/people play into stereotypes. When they imagine a black guy they want.... a black guy! A suited up proper black guy just doesn't fit into the mold and its not what they are looking for so i find myself playing into the stereotypes a little more in order to get more attraction.

Its fucking stupid but I am a man of doing whatever is morally necessary to have success.

I never have that feeling here of that taboo thing though or I am someone that they have or want to fuck behind closed doors. That whole thing seems crazy there. Once i get to the attraction and close here... Girls have no problem dating me, being seen in public with me or anything like that.... Actually they introduce me quickly as an American and its seen as "cool"

It is initial open and attraction here thats difficult.. but once you get that out of the way here its smooth sailing.

See this is exactly why the fuck America is horrible if you are a black man who predominately targets American white women. I only dated European women when I was at home and for good reason.

Even the American girls here are easier than the ones back home.

@Rudebwoy

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/livingoffthegridradio

This dude?
Naw haven't heard of him

WIA

@kirkdiesel: do you truly believe your dress has that big of an influence on your game? I donmt buy the idea that simply dressing like a bad boy is game.

Maybe part of it is that leaving America allowed your words and actions to be more congruent with who you are, while still hitting those attraction buttons.

there are many ways to skin a cat

I like to dress up in ties and nice slacks, but I don't do it w/ the expectation that it'll get me some pus. i learned that years ago

Does your game feel more intuitive out in europe? less contrived?

Edit: Imm not totally convinced that the location-independent lifestyle is all it's cracked up to be, either. more time for game, yes -- but what about connecting with your fellow man? I have a hard time seeing myself being happy in central america, even if I'm banging left and right.

(02-07-2017 05:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Rudebwoy

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/livingoffthegridradio

This dude?
Naw haven't heard of him

WIA

Yea, that's him.

(02-07-2017 08:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @-262

Guys don't want to believe, so they don't try. They're firmly embedded in the matrix.

@Excelsior

Lol. They're hilarious with that "whiteness is a prize" mentality. Like most white chicks ain't down for the brown. Bitches likes to fuck behind closed doors.

White chicks have always been game easy mode precisely because they think it's taboo.

Racism makes them easy.

The unwillingness to really experience life outside of the white paradigm, while the average non white person knows everything about their lives puts them at a distinct disadvantage.Their culture and mentality are advertised everywhere, so unlike understanding a chick that was Jain, you can predict most of what she's into.

On the game tip, lots of public displays of affection make private expressions of lust harder, because you're basically deflating the balloon/releasing the sexual tension.

In that situation - where you've established mutual sexual attraction, and you're in that trust build phase, you come at the clueless white chick by raising the taboo factor.

*Change your tone*(because body language is more powerful than verbal language), like you're letting her in on a secret.

"Fuck no would I have an open relationship with a white girl, are you crazy? Like a regular normal white girl?

The truth is. Most white girls use me for sex.

It's because they know that they can't fall in love with me, that they can actually fuck the way they truly want to fuck. They don't need to pretend like they do with white boys.

Never met a girl that didn't love black dick. Or like they say it, black cock. The chicks that do fall in love, I have to school them on why we can't be a couple"

Tell a bitch that she can't bring no black baby back home to her parents, and Caitlin will stoke her own fires.

Tell her about the time you fucked her and her curious roomie.

"There's a girl at this very party that I made squirt for the first time, but I can't violate her like that.

A black man can have as many white girls as he wants, as long as he's discrete.

Tell her about fucking a chick Thursday and seeing her with her boyfriend Friday.
_______

Basically the black dude should try to Pull the white chicks that are "not into black guys".

The white chicks with black girl haircuts, those are the hard ones to pull, because they want a Daqan. Muscles, tats, hood, - Sara Jay wants the 100% gold on the neck, Jordan's, swisher sweet and weed. Drive a Chevy on rims, stack paper illegally, gang of homies.

Jada Stevens could meet a tall, in shape, Nigerian doctor, as black a stereotype as I can think of. She's not going to be getting wet even though it's hard to beat Nigerian on the black scale. It's not the skin tone the gets her excited.

The chick that's " into black guys", is either fat, or into caricature. She's not into black guys, she wants to get beat down by Chris Brown. She wants the fantasy. She wants a black guy that black women don't particularly want (but will fuck)

I'm sure I can speak for a lot of dudes here, a cute white girl is not a prize. Even with all the issues in America, a fine white chick is still easier to find and pull than the comparable black chick. Because they're are so many of them. Like 5x the number of white chicks to black chicks population wise. I can literally throw a rock and hit cute white chick.

Add in the BMI issue with the number of obese black women - and the situation is more dire.

Plus a shit ton of black dudes are about pussy, not relationships. If you drop down to the easy nut category, the sea of white women becomes an ocean.

When you see a fit black dude with a fat (not phat) white chick - there is usually something else going on. Most of it is proximity. He's in that environment, and those chicks made it easy.

If the pussy is tight and the head is good, and she's generally amenable but just enough spice to keep him on his toes - a man is hard pressed to stay out there. That's why you shouldn't fuck ugly chicks, because it's easy to fall into rut. The pussy trap.

Pulling a Kerry Washington, a Meagan Goode, a slim but well built African - that's harder to do, because
1) less of them
2) no built in taboo advantage
3) competing against the type of guys in the club picture above (which is why game was developed!)

As many of you've seen, a white guy with game that's down with that swirl can often pull off some black chicks that would be tough for us. It's rare that I see a white guy hugged up with an ugly black chick.

I think we touched on the overall ease of white girls on the podcast.

So to recap

If a chick goes all Aryan brotherhood on you,
- School her on why white chicks fuck, on how they get off on the idea of black dick.
- emphasize discretion

- Tell her how a regular relationship with love and what not is damn near impossible.

This is basic disqualification in game terms, and the psychology of that is when an entitled girl hears she can't get something that's all she wants.

The downside to "race play" is that it's exhausting on some levels. It's never that you can't pull, it's do you have the desire/energy to deal with the aftermath.

One last thing, this white girl/black man scenario is where having a good body pays dividends. Girls generally like a good body, but only the chicks with no pussy control actually approach a man because he's built. (And girls that approach still want you to prove yourself)

But in the interracial context, the hint of being a strong black buck, that's just going to pound her into submission - that is powerful. Sometimes picking a girl up with strength is more sexual than dancing all night. Hitting that primal instinct, like grabbing her by the back of her head.

I've got scars on my frame from just being a man. But a chick will trace them with her fingers and imagine all sorts of Hollywood shit. (" I don't talk about those things anymore)

That's the role muscles play in this situation, where she's living in some mental fantasy. Scars, tattoos, muscles -all traditional attraction markers - they do a shit ton of work in this context because you're playing in the realm of fantasy, of taboo. Things that are generally attractive, become super attractive. And that is because ultimately the game is played in her mind. You're giving her this mental experience, and all she gives you is sex

WIA

This seems to be the summary of your post for Black guys trying to game White Girls. Tell me if I'm right:

-Game her from a sexual vibe
-Don't be a stereotype of a Black Man with the exception of using Black Cock as a tool.
-Discretion is the most important thing.
-Flip the script on race. Make her think that Black is the prize and that White is basic (The opposite of how society perceives things)
-Racist white girls are easier to pull than the chubby white girl that chases black guys.
-Running White guy game on a white woman doesn't work as a Black Man?

(02-07-2017 01:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Ana's Ethiopian data sheet moved it up the list for me.

But that airfare...

WIA

Airfare is very reasonable. A lot of guys make out like going to Africa is going to the moon. It's far more expensive to fly to Brasil, por ejemplo. I literally just looked it up; you can get a return flight from the States to Ethiopia's capital (Addis Ababa for 750 dollars. I have seen guys blow twice that on a sordid nightout in America.

^pretty much the same price as my trip to Thailand this past October. It was either 700 or 800.

(02-07-2017 05:23 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Sisters age like fine wine when they take care of themselves, but you aren't lying.

Once you leave the West, it ain't even game anymore.

Sure we live nice in North America, but the social aspect is challenging.

There are a handful of brothas on here that are living the dream, the location independent lifestyle.

Any of you guys heard about Charles Tyler?

Yeah, I've been watching his stuff for a while. Here's a few videos to intro for guys that aren't familiar with him. His logic isn't flawless (talking about "nice guys finish first" and all that), but there's some very solid content in his videos if you listen through them.











Another dude who makes some of this "black men get abroad and save yourselves some BS" kind of content is MadBusDriver, who I listen to a lot. He pedestalizes non-black women a little too much sometimes but he's got a lot of good things to say generally about how to get abroad, where to go, and what's out there.








#SYSBM
(Save Yourselves, Black Men)

I have never checked out the west coast of the US but......

In my opinion...If you want the BEST chances with white girls you gotta get out of the US and especially the Northeast.... PERIOD.

Make a decision and change your life. It sucks leaving your home and everything you came from... family, friends and familiarity but you gotta do what you gotta to make yourself happy. Life is too short for the BS.

I miss the US really bad sometimes and people here can be corny as fuck but at least I can live a little more free than I could before. Maybe I will move back when I am married and have a family someday but I sure as fuck won't be moving back to the states as a single black man. NEVER AGAIN.

Excelsior - he was a recent guest on our show and he will be on again, on location in Brazil.

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  I do really need to tone down the public displays of affection. I get a tremendous number of makeouts in his city with buzzed white girls out on the town, but my conversion rate is far lower than I’d like. I think you’ve perfectly articulated why. The sexual tension is being deflated and I’m also not being as discrete as they would like (creating discomfort, which =/= rapport in the longer term).

Easy mistake to spot.
But a hard one to give up.

A man has needs!

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  I think what you wrote also highlights my more general problem: I’m too used to acting like the boyfriend she meets on Friday, not the guy she fucked on Thursday.

I never really grew up with a lot of game. I was raised in a white town with nothing but white people and no real connection at all to any part of black culture that could “put me on game”, so to speak. I’ve written in here about this before, most of you know the deal.

I didn't grow up with it. I look back on lessons that I learned, and I was aggressively "anti-game"/firmly embedded in the matrix so that it didn't really occur to me.

But then I read, tried stuff out, some of it worked, and the rest is history.

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  Because of this, I always viewed the game through a lens that really was more fitting for the white kids I grew up with, not me. I grew up without really perceiving a real difference between me and them. It was really only in college that I learned things had to be different for me because, like it or not, black men cannot approach the game the way white men do here. Race always comes first when it comes to how one is perceived by others – it doesn’t really matter who you are.

The game is the same.
It's just understanding where you fit in.

If you were a tall ripped rich handsome white guy - A lot of the 7's are going to dig you. Maybe if you're a president of some fraternity - you'll have your choice of top sorority pussy.

But then that white guy that was "killing it" leaves college. All he has to look forward to is a career at a Fortune 100 company. (I keed, I keed)

He didn't learn GAME. He got pussy.

There's a ton of guys on RVF who get pussy. Dudes flying in to Cambodia or Peru are running through bitches. Some of them of them manage to do that here. Catch a typical RVF guy in Sacramento or Memphis - doing the self improvement thing and just putting himself out there. Getting over his approach anxiety and creating the logistics - and he's knee deep in vanilla pudding.

Look good, show up, get sexual.

Understanding the social dynamics, what makes a woman tic, how the group works together, - that's where the game is. And that's how guys that "don't fit the mold" become party promoters and social connectors.

They don't focus on perfect deadlift form, they focus on people.

Some guys need that party atmosphere or high density of chicks to make something happen.

What I'm talking about happens in the conversation that you have with a chick.

All she needs to do is to bend her ear - and you hook her.

Not every chick, not every time, but enough that it's not LUCK. It's not a numbers game. It's a skill game.

You go from
1) playing the cards you were dealt (I have a good hand) ->
2) to playing the odds (what are the chances that anyone can beat my hand) ->
3) to playing the person (I'm watching this fucker like a hawk -and i've been in a thousand games before)

4) To owning the casino

A chick saying she doesn't rock with black dudes is just a bluff.
What she says during the attraction phase is bullshit, a test, an opportunity.

Madison, is a black dude from Canada, and he doesn't play the "black card" at all. He's just a guy. (unlike say Player Supreme who you guys like - who plays the black guy game to the extreme)

Game isn't exactly the same white guy/white girl, guy of flavor/white girl - but the overall structure of
- find em
- approach em
- open em
- attract them by pushing them away

Is the same. If she's talking to you, if she's not walking way, subconsciously she's down for the Dick. If she wasn't, SHE'D LEAVE.

She's just a puzzle to unlock.

Oh she likes animals...start a conversation on animals, and then switch to food when she gets going. And when she's hype on food, before it hits the climax, you go to relationships. If the relationship dies, you go back to food or animals. (oh I forgot..one thing..)

Blackness, whiteness, Asian-ness, Indian-Ness - it falls to the wayside. She's not really thinking about what she's saying, so you can go back and forth, you can go all sorts of places. She's not composing every little word - she's in reaction.

And she's trying to put you in reaction to her - but you're not letting her.

Her wanting control - is her downfall. Because you keep giving her a shot, and taking it away.

AND SHE LOVES IT.

Like kids love keep away, but get bored when you actually give them the ball.

Nothing about this has to do with race - it all has to do with psychology.

It's like playing chase/playing tag - the fun is in almost getting caught or almost catching the person.

You're just doing it verbally.

People do this sort of thing all the time. It has nothing to do with bagging chicks.

A really good preacher - he can take you down a path, a path you think you know, and just as he's about to say some shit that you've heard before - he goes left.

When Spotify was creating playlists for people that wanted new music - they found that 20 songs of brand new stuff - made them lose people - but 1 song they knew for 10 songs they didn't increased engagement.

That's the level that we're dealing with. I swear it's like 4-5 of us on this site of 500K unique visits that talk about this, that talk on this level.

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  The last few years have been a struggle to re-orient my perspective to more closely match what you’ve written here (less “boyfriend” and more “taboo discrete experience”). It’s been extremely difficult, though, because I’m not sure how naturally it comes to me. I need to raise the taboo factor to be successful because of my race, but I don’t know how to do that because I’ve spent so much time viewing myself as the opposite of taboo.

It's an option. But if you are coming from an mostly white background - it may be difficult. You don't need the "black" edge per se - you can just have edge. That's controlling the conversation, that's trolling her, that's playing with her - verbal keep-away.

She's going to respond the same way to you that she'd respond to a white guy.

That's not just me talking, but 15 years of guys of all colors going out and using Mystery Model INSPIRED type game.

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  There’s also a piece of me that reflexively resists the taboo aspect and even gets offended by its existence. There’s still a piece of me that’s offended by the fact that many of these girls would only engage with me in a discrete context and only really with a focus on sex and nothing else. I hate the fact that the idea of bringing my child home is so much more problematic than bringing a white, mestizo, or even Eurasian baby home.

I might get more slack from my folks for bringing a chick into the family that doesn't know how to use our comb, lol.

But it is what it is. I don't play the hand i'm dealt, I play the game.

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  It still bothers me that I’m viewed so differently from my non-black peers who, from what I can tell, don’t have anything over me intellectually, physically, etc, but seem to be viewed totally differently regardless.

After all that time spent thinking there was no difference between me any other guy of any other race, I still feel this nagging need to be treated more…I dunno…equally? Like a person and not a novel toy to be enjoyed discreetly? It’s a hard mentality to kill and it definitely inhibits my ability to really invest in/play up the taboo factor the way I need to in order to succeed here.

I feel you. The president of the company I work for is making a bajillion dollars - and for the most part - he is an idiot outside of this particular domain. Arguably he failed up.

But, as smart as I am, that dude hustled to make his paper. He faced a shit ton of other white guys to get these valuable contracts - not like X-Corp chose him based on skin tone.

Soon as I get my nickels together, I'm gonna pull a Chinese. Hire some white dude to be the face of the company. Long as the checks clear...

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  But, like it or not, this is how things are. It doesn’t really matter what I do – the degrees I earn, the diction I use, the knowledge I build, the career I create, the money I make – at the end of the day, they’ll always view me through that racial lens with all of the presumptions that come with it (keep it discrete, sexual focus only, etc, etc) and I’ll have to cope and wrestle with those during the trust-build phase before I’m seen as anything more. I’m a buck/novel toy until proven otherwise. That’s just the nature of the game here in the States.

You could go that route. Many have.

But it's not particularly helpful.

You're letting them occupy your mind.

(02-07-2017 04:42 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

Quote: The downside to "race play" is that it's exhausting on some levels. It's never that you can't pull, it's do you have the desire/energy to deal with the aftermath.

Exactly. There’s an increasingly loud voice in my head these day telling me that this game and the “prizes” I’m working for (American white girls) might not be worth all of this effort.

As you said:

Quote:I think for a lot of men, moving to a new place and having the society treat you as a person is POWERFUL.

Why work so hard to be with people who see you as black experiment/discrete novelty first and an actual person second (if even that)?

Because
1) the work is not that hard compared to the reward - and I mean the work to learn game. it's beyond pussy

2) not all white chick are like that.

WIA

(02-07-2017 07:34 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 01:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Ana's Ethiopian data sheet moved it up the list for me.

But that airfare...

WIA

Airfare is very reasonable. A lot of guys make out like going to Africa is going to the moon. It's far more expensive to fly to Brasil, por ejemplo. I literally just looked it up; you can get a return flight from the States to Ethiopia's capital (Addis Ababa for 750 dollars. I have seen guys blow twice that on a sordid nightout in America.

For May
- Addis - 850
- Rio - 750
- Bangkok - 990
- Berlin - 815
- Bogota - 360
- DR - 480
- Mexico City - 430

Addis is not that bad to be honest. But a couple bucks more gets me to Thailand, and a few less to Berlin and Rio.

Bogota looking like I could do that on a long weekend, lol.

Since I got y'all here.

You pick a city/country - how much time do you spend there?

Minimum - 3 days?
A good sense of the place in a week? 2 weeks?

WIA

Addis is the easy choice, we know how the other spots play out.

10 days

D.C. might be the cheapest spot in the US to fly to East and South Africa so you're in luck.

I'll be in one of those countries the entire month of July.

I've seen flights from Detroit to some places in the US **cough San Antonio and Sacramento cough** cost more than flying to Europe.

If you don't care about earning miles then I suggest you guys sign up on secretflying and Airfarewatchdog.

I think minimum amount of time would be two weekends. Someone on here mentioned that and I agree. That second weekend is when I usually really hit my stride. Repeat 1st date bangs and those 2nd and 3rd dates that turn into bangs come rolling in.

That Bogota round trip looking mighty attractive.

Especially since a Colombian would be my most satisfying notch.

(02-07-2017 09:48 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  That's the level that we're dealing with. I swear it's like 4-5 of us on this site of 500K unique visits that talk about this, that talk on this level.

That's the key thing here though - there's levels to this shit, and not everyone is gonna reach the same level or advance in the same way. I've come to this conclusion over many years and it might sound defeatist to some, but it is how I feel so I'm putting it out there.

Everything you've written is on point. I have nothing to argue with. The way you describe the game is exactly how it should be played. You show a mastery of this kind of reasoning that is, frankly, beyond me and I'm not ashamed to admit that. It's next level shit and you deserve all the credit in the world for being able to a) understand it, b) practice it and c) distill it into a form that can be processed by others online.

But at the end of the day, we're not all created equal.

Some guys (I know you're one of them and I've met several in my personal life as well) really enjoy this kind of thing. They love the back and forth, the psychological puzzles that are solved in the chase (you even used the term "fun" in describing the process of verbal chasing). They also, more often than not, have a natural talent for all of this. It's fun for them, maybe even energizing sometimes.

I'm not like that. I don't really enjoy this. There's no real fun in the chase for me or the back and forth games. Is it because I'm highly introverted and get drained somewhat quickly interacting with people I've not built rapport with? Maybe. Is it because I just never developed the social skills required for all of this? Maybe. Am I just beta? Maybe. Is it all of the above? Maybe.

At the end of the day, regardless of the reasoning, I am what I am. I have come to find the whole process (the verbal game of chase/tag, the psychological cat-and-mouse, the puzzle solving, etc, etc) more and more draining and mundane as time goes on. I also simply don't have an affinity/natural gift for it. I can play, but not at the level or to the extent you describe. I have neither the raw talent nor the desire. All of the things you describe take a tremendous amount of energy for me, and I just find them draining, not fulfilling.

The talent is important. The reason why so few guys talk on this level is because, frankly, very few guys are capable of it and fewer still really enjoy it. It's like sports, really: everyone can watch the pros and elevate their game improving their technique, but not everyone can reach that highest level in that given craft. Some select guys are Mike Vicks and Cam Newtons when it comes to this kind of thing. Most are closer to Tajh Boyd and Rakeem Cato. That's just the cold hard truth.

And that's not to say that's the end of the story. I just can't help but think that if I know I'm not going to be Cam Newton in this particular thing, maybe I should go try something else? It isn't like there aren't other sports (read: other parts of the world and other girls) to try.

Again, call me defeatist, weak hearted, or whatever you like. I've been a student of the game for the better part of a decade now. I've come a very long way since the beginning and I don't think I'm completely done (still plenty of self-improvement to be completed), but I'm fairly confident of where my ceiling is as far as all this cat-and-mouse psychological warfare business goes. The toll it takes for me to really engage in this doesn't seem worth the reward any more.

And I do understand that the women here require me to engage in this. I do know I won't consistently succeed with them without engaging in this (the only women I do consistently succeed with aren't from here and I know that isn't a coincidence). I just don't know if they're worth it. The more I look at them and the more approaches I do, the more apathetic I get.

All of these psychological battles, all of the cat-and-mouse, back and forth, and all of that time, to finally earn...an American white girl who probably (I know you've said they're not all like this but, let's be real, this mentality is alarmingly commonplace) doesn't even see you as a real person and would want to keep any association with you discreet?

(02-07-2017 09:48 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Because
1) the work is not that hard compared to the reward - and I mean the work to learn game. it's beyond pussy

2) not all white chick are like that.

1) That depends on the person. For me, this shit is not easy. I've been at it for the better part of a decade and still have trouble trying it without getting drained, frustrated, or both. I don't really have fun in the engagement anymore, even though I'm much better at it than I used to be.
The reward for all of that is what? An American girl. Is that really worth it?

Because let's all be brutally honest here: the kind of high level game we're discussing here is only really necessary to have consistent success in places like the USA (and maybe a select few other parts of the Anglo-Saxon Western World, like Toronto). This kind of game was originated and honed here (and not in Moscow, Sau Paulo, or Manila) for a reason.

Many guys here have already gone on record noting that the "game" outside the USA is so much less stringent that they wouldn't even call it game. It is well understood here that the puzzles and psychological adventures one needs to really win here are far less of a requirement in many parts of the world. This is not to say that women abroad are looking for needy, gameless idiots, but they're definitely demanding far less than our female peers here.

The puzzles to be solved are far simpler. The psychological warfare far less brutal. The whole process much simpler and much less demanding. That's the reality of game outside this westernized space, and many here can and have attested to that.

The more complicated process only really gives a significant advantage with one type of woman: the one you can get in this environment. The American.
Is that a worthwhile reward when there are so many women outside these confines that we all know are just as attractive (if not more so) while requiring far less effort to consistently succeed with? What makes the American so special that all the extra effort and additional intricacies necessary to consistently and successfully get at her are worth it? Are the women here just that much better?

Life is short. I've been around for a quarter century now. A third of my life is already gone. Cost-benefit has become more and more important to me as I've come to understand just how finite my life is. I could easily be gone in less than 40 years. Why waste any time?

If I know I don't enjoy or particularly thrive in the process necessary to consistently get the American prize, why should I spend so much time and energy reaching for it? If there's a similar or better prize elsewhere that doesn't require me to go through as much misery to get, why not invest in that instead?

2) Not all...but enough.

^This is a big one for me too. I'm an Indian American guy at age 21, and I've been in the game since I was a 17 year old in high school. I'm already getting a sense of player burnout, just because every one of my twenty one lays has given me roughly the same experience. Hundreds, thousands of approaches, literal weeks worth of my time, tens of thousands of dollars to send me to liberal California schools where the game is probably as easy as it's going to get for me -- and for what? To bang a number of 5's and 6's, a bunch of 7's, and a handful of 8's? To deal with their bullshit, to watch them text their boyfriends "I love you" after I've finished fingering them, to see them fuck me, some random dude who asked them for directions, while simultaneously leading guys on into real relationships? I definitely don't regret my journey, but slogging away to bang more American girls doesn't really appeal to me at this point. And this is in California, with beautiful weather, and tons of hot black and brown girls (my favorites) running around. I can't imagine living in frosty ass New England, dealing with a bunch of socially retarded white women who spent their lives closeted in white flight suburbs. I think regardless of who you are in America, or where you're living (unless you have excellent status/fame)...there is a sense of diminishing returns with game. So Excelsior, I feel you brother, your problem is a lot more common than you think.

Or maybe I'm just bitter about the fact that the last three girls I've fucked were solid 5's hah, who knows.

Kirdiesel, Excelsior - I feel ya, and you probably know that.

The Asians like myself on the Asian guy travel thread feel ya too, most likely.

There's a reason why most of the East and Southeast Asian descended posters primarily congregate there.

@Excelsior - I want to say thank you for such a great post and keeping it real.

I get the sense most guys on here don't enjoy the game to the extent of Archie. I certainly don't but I realize like any other game, you have to stay sharp and keep practising.

Like you rightly said, it is no coincidence that game is heavily discussed with guys living in America and Canada. We never see travel threads about how guys slayed 7 girls in 7 nights in ANY city in North America.

I hope you are not defeated, you are much too young to be thinking that way. After all, you have some yard man blood in you and those guys never quit.

As for girls in this part of the world, they aren't even worth the squeeze. I could go on and on about the sweet girls I have met on my travels, the biggest cockblock was the lack of time I had in certain places.

Keep grinding my friend, as WE both know you aren't alone and the majority of guys on this forum probably feel the same way you do.

Have you guys checked out flight deal .Com. There's some amazing deals that show up there. At highway robbery prices. Especially from the larger airports.

Good looks Lex!

Airbnb or hotels for trips less than two weeks?

WIA

I would wager Airbnb to be cheaper internationally, but it's not something I trust yet lol. I think some of the morning seasoned travellers use it.

What's going on brothers. Looking to make a trip March 2-March 5 from Atlanta to someplace not too far of a flight (no longer then 4 hours). Any places you guys suggest for a 26 year old black male looking to just drink and get at chicks all weekend?

I'm sure you guys would know what's the real deal and what's pretend.