Moma and RudeBwoy RoundTable Discussion on Black Man Game Options
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That depends, Does she have a negative perception or positive perception about you? If she has a negative perception on you(smv-ranking,you being beta) she will further her negative thoughts on you unless you change your personality and behavior entirely
Rocha · 2018-08-09 23:03:00 · #8427
jordypip23 · 2018-08-10 04:21:00 · #8428
(08-09-2018 11:03 PM)Rocha Wrote:(08-09-2018 07:18 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: "If you give her time to think, you're fucking up"
Mostly true or mostly false?
True. Strike when the iron is fuckin hot.
Indeed. Just like in sales your window to close might be relatively short. Miss that window & it might be time to write this one off and move on to the next one.
If luck is on your side you might have residual type chicks that have dormant interest that you can still reignite & spark up in the future. But this usually requires a bit more effort from your part & some inspiration on the chick's part as well. The pure novelty factor just won't be there anymore. Tomorrow is never guaranteed.
papasco · 2018-08-10 05:37:00 · #8429
Gentlemen
There you go with my contribution on Black Man Game Options.
I did some research trying to find out where my colour skin will not be an handicap on gaming (at least for the approach). You can agree or not and even though I’m proud to roll with this colour in this white world, I face - like most of the brothers - some discriminations just because I’m different.
Due to the recent migrant crisis in Europe, people will assume that you’re just another refugee until they know more about you… (Let’s be clear I’m not blaming the migrant, they’re just hustling trying to have lives!)
Of course rolling suit up can change people attitude towards you and I can see the looks I’m getting on my way to work, but to me it’s strange to hit a club with a suit especially when you have a dance game and you wear expensive suits. But I guess I’ll have to experiment it one day.
Anyway, I did some research trying to find out where in Europe, my skin color will not be an “handicap” on approaching and I find out a study from the European Union discrimination agency with some interesting findings.
Whether they have children or not, only 56% of European would feel totally comfortable if one of their children or potential children was in a love relationship with a black person.
In the meantime, 82% of them would feel totally comfortable if it’s with a white person.
I don’t know if you realize, but that’s a BIG difference.
Here is the top 5 of totally comfortable answers: Sweden, Netherlands, UK, France, Ireland
Here is the top 5 of totally uncomfortable answers: Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Cyprus
Focusing only on the delta between black and with person, the countries with the lowest difference are: Luxembourg, Sweden, UK, Netherlands and Denmark.
First thing I assumed seeing this is that it’s probably impacted by a high share of old people in the survey. So I look at the result per age group.
And to my big surprise not that big difference: 15-24 are comfortable for a black person at 65%, 25-39 at 59%, 40-54 at 58% and 55+ at 50%.
Then I checked the gender, assuming that maybe women were more open but disappointment again: men totally comfortable at 55% women totally comfortable at 57%.
There are plenty of additional interesting data but I will stop it here for now.
I don’t mean with this that we should all head to the Luxembourg, Sweden, UK, Netherlands, Denmark, France and Ireland and expect pussies paradises. But I can imagine that it should be easier for us to approach in these countries.
I’m French, I’ve visited all these countries except UK and Denmark and I can assure you that without game, nothing will happen.
BUT I think the gold mine is the flop 5. value. Their answer is for me the translation of their ignorance of what’s a black person and I can understand that people are scared of what they don’t know. Normally our exotic value should be higher in Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Cyprus.
I’ve only been to Czech Republic among these 5 but from now the other 4 will come on top of my list.
Have any of you ever been in any of these? How was the reception?
Additional notes:
- Unfortunately this study was conducted in 2015 and a lot of thing have change now. I think they will update the study this year so I look forward to seeing the results.
- This is based on declarative so it can just means that the top countries are the most hypocrite ones in Europe
- This is based on EU28. A lot of interesting Euro countries are missing. (I’m thinking Norway, Russia…)
There you go with my contribution on Black Man Game Options.
I did some research trying to find out where my colour skin will not be an handicap on gaming (at least for the approach). You can agree or not and even though I’m proud to roll with this colour in this white world, I face - like most of the brothers - some discriminations just because I’m different.
Due to the recent migrant crisis in Europe, people will assume that you’re just another refugee until they know more about you… (Let’s be clear I’m not blaming the migrant, they’re just hustling trying to have lives!)
Of course rolling suit up can change people attitude towards you and I can see the looks I’m getting on my way to work, but to me it’s strange to hit a club with a suit especially when you have a dance game and you wear expensive suits. But I guess I’ll have to experiment it one day.
Anyway, I did some research trying to find out where in Europe, my skin color will not be an “handicap” on approaching and I find out a study from the European Union discrimination agency with some interesting findings.
Whether they have children or not, only 56% of European would feel totally comfortable if one of their children or potential children was in a love relationship with a black person.
In the meantime, 82% of them would feel totally comfortable if it’s with a white person.
I don’t know if you realize, but that’s a BIG difference.
Here is the top 5 of totally comfortable answers: Sweden, Netherlands, UK, France, Ireland
Here is the top 5 of totally uncomfortable answers: Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Cyprus
Focusing only on the delta between black and with person, the countries with the lowest difference are: Luxembourg, Sweden, UK, Netherlands and Denmark.
First thing I assumed seeing this is that it’s probably impacted by a high share of old people in the survey. So I look at the result per age group.
And to my big surprise not that big difference: 15-24 are comfortable for a black person at 65%, 25-39 at 59%, 40-54 at 58% and 55+ at 50%.
Then I checked the gender, assuming that maybe women were more open but disappointment again: men totally comfortable at 55% women totally comfortable at 57%.
There are plenty of additional interesting data but I will stop it here for now.
I don’t mean with this that we should all head to the Luxembourg, Sweden, UK, Netherlands, Denmark, France and Ireland and expect pussies paradises. But I can imagine that it should be easier for us to approach in these countries.
I’m French, I’ve visited all these countries except UK and Denmark and I can assure you that without game, nothing will happen.
BUT I think the gold mine is the flop 5. value. Their answer is for me the translation of their ignorance of what’s a black person and I can understand that people are scared of what they don’t know. Normally our exotic value should be higher in Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Cyprus.
I’ve only been to Czech Republic among these 5 but from now the other 4 will come on top of my list.
Have any of you ever been in any of these? How was the reception?
Additional notes:
- Unfortunately this study was conducted in 2015 and a lot of thing have change now. I think they will update the study this year so I look forward to seeing the results.
- This is based on declarative so it can just means that the top countries are the most hypocrite ones in Europe
- This is based on EU28. A lot of interesting Euro countries are missing. (I’m thinking Norway, Russia…)
thedarkknight · 2018-08-10 06:06:00 · #8430
Yo, bro.
Couple of questions.
1) How is it gaming black and North African chicks in France? Je sais parler Francais.
2) Why the focus on trying to get European chicks? I’ll make this quick. Continental Europe had a pompous, elitist white vibe ( white Americans mention this too) before the migrant crisis. Now, towards an ethnic African, I can I only imagine.
Conclusion
Why are you surprised that a sizeable proportion of native euros don’t want your black ass in their family? I’d be more surprised if they did.
Shit like this annoys me. Dude is compiling a damn dossier like he’s going to war with Iran, so he can invade some euro pussy.
My man, are white chicks that special? No wonder they are so haughty. They’ve been pedalstalised, “the White Queen.” My man, might as well get cracking with door to door surveys; asking whether or not a Euro household wants a biracial grandchild.
You describe your skin colour as a handicap. You know the game is against you but you willingly choose to play their game... on their soil. It’s like going to a nightclub - in a suit - and having to pay a 50 dollar entrance fee. While some white guy rolls into VIP, for free, in sandals and a T-Shirt.
Please.
TDK
Couple of questions.
1) How is it gaming black and North African chicks in France? Je sais parler Francais.
2) Why the focus on trying to get European chicks? I’ll make this quick. Continental Europe had a pompous, elitist white vibe ( white Americans mention this too) before the migrant crisis. Now, towards an ethnic African, I can I only imagine.
Conclusion
Why are you surprised that a sizeable proportion of native euros don’t want your black ass in their family? I’d be more surprised if they did.
Shit like this annoys me. Dude is compiling a damn dossier like he’s going to war with Iran, so he can invade some euro pussy.
My man, are white chicks that special? No wonder they are so haughty. They’ve been pedalstalised, “the White Queen.” My man, might as well get cracking with door to door surveys; asking whether or not a Euro household wants a biracial grandchild.
You describe your skin colour as a handicap. You know the game is against you but you willingly choose to play their game... on their soil. It’s like going to a nightclub - in a suit - and having to pay a 50 dollar entrance fee. While some white guy rolls into VIP, for free, in sandals and a T-Shirt.
Please.
TDK
azulsombra · 2018-08-10 06:59:00 · #8431
(08-10-2018 05:37 AM)papasco Wrote: There you go with my contribution on Black Man Game Options.
Here is the top 5 of totally comfortable answers: Sweden, Netherlands, UK, France, Ireland
I’m French, I’ve visited all these countries except UK and Denmark and I can assure you that without game, nothing will happen.
Have any of you ever been in any of these?
(08-10-2018 06:06 AM)thedarkknight Wrote: Yo, bro.
Couple of questions.
1) How is it gaming black and North African chicks in France? Je sais parler Francais.
So let me get this straight, we have a Black Frenchman who speaks English yet has never been to UK and we have a Black Brit who speaks French but doesn't know how he would be recieved by African women in France?
No disrespect intended but what stops both of you from visiting your neighboring country and finding out for yourself?
Is there some longstanding culture divide that still prevents you from going in 2018? I'm asking seriously, as an American I have no clue.
You have a freaking Chunnel and Ryanair flights multiple times a day for under 30 Euros roundtrip. And people love to say Americans are lazy and don't travel overseas.Yet, the distance between your two countries is less than Los Angeles to San Francisco or D.C. to New York.
papasco · 2018-08-10 07:18:00 · #8432
(08-10-2018 06:06 AM)thedarkknight Wrote: Yo, bro.
Couple of questions.
1) How is it gaming black and North African chicks in France? Je sais parler Francais.
2) Why the focus on trying to get European chicks? I’ll make this quick. Continental Europe had a pompous, elitist white vibe ( white Americans mention this too) before the migrant crisis. Now, towards an ethnic African, I can I only imagine.
Conclusion
Why are you surprised that a sizeable proportion of native euros don’t want your black ass in their family? I’d be more surprised if they did.
Shit like this annoys me. Dude is compiling a damn dossier like he’s going to war with Iran, so he can invade some euro pussy.
My man, are white chicks that special? No wonder they are so haughty. They’ve been pedalstalised, “the White Queen.” My man, might as well get cracking with door to door surveys; asking whether or not a Euro household wants a biracial grandchild.
You describe your skin colour as a handicap. You know the game is against you but you willingly choose to play their game... on their soil. It’s like going to a nightclub - in a suit - and having to pay a 50 dollar entrance fee. While some white guy rolls into VIP, for free, in sandals and a T-Shirt.
Please.
TDK
Yo bro,
1) Honestly if you speak French, not a big deal. It can be complicated for white fellas but a clean black guy with some game will never struggle. Nevertheless don’t expect to get them in bed the same day. Get the digits and go for a day later. The reputation is very important for those girl so lucky you are if they follow you for a ONS. Also for north African girls, you’ll hear some bullshit from the north African guys if they see you with one of their “sisters”. So be ready to fight or just ignore them…
Let me know if you have more specific questions
2) Mannn I live in Europe surrounded by white chicks so don’t ask me why I’m focusing on them instead of a niche. I had my dose of Arabic and black back when I was living in France, what’s wrong with trying to get something different now? I’m a scientist so don’t blame me for trying to use what I master the most (the data) as an additional variable to get the pussies!
thedarkknight · 2018-08-10 07:20:00 · #8433
delete.
papasco · 2018-08-10 07:26:00 · #8434
(08-10-2018 06:59 AM)azulsombra Wrote:(08-10-2018 05:37 AM)papasco Wrote: There you go with my contribution on Black Man Game Options.
Here is the top 5 of totally comfortable answers: Sweden, Netherlands, UK, France, Ireland
I’m French, I’ve visited all these countries except UK and Denmark and I can assure you that without game, nothing will happen.
Have any of you ever been in any of these?
(08-10-2018 06:06 AM)thedarkknight Wrote: Yo, bro.
Couple of questions.
1) How is it gaming black and North African chicks in France? Je sais parler Francais.
So let me get this straight, we have a Black Frenchman who speaks English yet has never been to UK and we have a Black Brit who speaks French but doesn't know how he would be recieved by African women in France?
No disrespect intended but what stops both of you from visiting your neighboring country and finding out for yourself?
Is there some longstanding culture divide that still prevents you from going in 2018? I'm asking seriously, as an American I have no clue.
You have a freaking Chunnel and Ryanair flights multiple times a day for under 30 Euros roundtrip. And people love to say Americans are lazy and don't travel overseas.Yet, the distance between your two countries is less than Los Angeles to San Francisco or D.C. to New York.
Well you’re right! It’s on my list now
But It’s not really laziness, It’s just that I never considered UK as a country that have lot to offer…
I’ve been to 18 different Europeans countries and some of them more than 3 times.
What British that I met abroad showed me didn’t motivate me to go discover more.
kirdiesel · 2018-08-10 07:55:00 · #8435
Welcome Papasco.
I live in Germany as well and can vouch for your Netherlands and somewhat the Luxembourg data. Ive been in these areas for work but have seen brothers do fairly well.
Where are you in Germany?
BTW the Suit up idea does not work well in Germany with white chicks. Been down that road as well as many roads already.
I live in Germany as well and can vouch for your Netherlands and somewhat the Luxembourg data. Ive been in these areas for work but have seen brothers do fairly well.
Where are you in Germany?
BTW the Suit up idea does not work well in Germany with white chicks. Been down that road as well as many roads already.
papasco · 2018-08-10 08:37:00 · #8436
Thanks Kirdiesel
I was in Luxembourg last week. Didn’t get laid due to bad logistics. I was there only for about 28 hours so I didn’t book hotel/flat, but getting laid is totally possible.
In Germany, I’m in the south, near Munich…
For the suit up I guess I’ll have to try in this area. All the Germans I know are constantly telling me that south of Germany is different from the rest of Germany…
I was in Luxembourg last week. Didn’t get laid due to bad logistics. I was there only for about 28 hours so I didn’t book hotel/flat, but getting laid is totally possible.
In Germany, I’m in the south, near Munich…
For the suit up I guess I’ll have to try in this area. All the Germans I know are constantly telling me that south of Germany is different from the rest of Germany…
BasketBounce · 2018-08-10 09:50:00 · #8437
Paging my bros,
Does anyone have intel on the Phoenix/Scottsdale area? I’m visiting in October and would like to make a weekend oit of it.
A quick perusal of this forum inclines me to get a spot in Scottsdale (suggestions??), but I thought I’d get my brothers’ perspectives first.
@WIA, it depends. If she’s opening up to you and you’re getting her to invest, then I want her to be emoting and thinking at the same time.
The action of her reaching into the depths of her memories in order to recall a story or something that happened to her. That looks like “thinking” to the untrained eye, but really, that’s just a woman emoting in real-time.
On the other hand, you also want her to react to you. Call her out on something subtle. Make her win your attention.
So yeah, it’s a fluid concept. I don’t think it’s al or nothing.
Does anyone have intel on the Phoenix/Scottsdale area? I’m visiting in October and would like to make a weekend oit of it.
A quick perusal of this forum inclines me to get a spot in Scottsdale (suggestions??), but I thought I’d get my brothers’ perspectives first.
@WIA, it depends. If she’s opening up to you and you’re getting her to invest, then I want her to be emoting and thinking at the same time.
The action of her reaching into the depths of her memories in order to recall a story or something that happened to her. That looks like “thinking” to the untrained eye, but really, that’s just a woman emoting in real-time.
On the other hand, you also want her to react to you. Call her out on something subtle. Make her win your attention.
So yeah, it’s a fluid concept. I don’t think it’s al or nothing.
Moma · 2018-08-10 11:15:00 · #8438
(08-06-2018 03:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: I strive for this everyday.
Making money and being mobile is a dream, I have met a few guys who manage this lifestyle.
Been tossing the idea around of opening a restaurant, it is going to require more time than the 9 to 5 and I certainly wouldn't be upwardly mobile.
As long as you're upwardly content, who cares? Mobility only matters if you are bored with where you are at. There are some people who live like lions where they are at, they are the ideal echelon of what needs to be. Maybe the opportunity to travel once or twice a year just to mix things up and provide contrast to further appreciate what one has, what more is needed?
Moma · 2018-08-10 11:18:00 · #8439
(08-09-2018 07:18 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: "If you give her time to think, you're fucking up"
Mostly true or mostly false?
Mostly true. I learnt from you that you have to get inside their head and send that hamster wild. To lend to it, one should always present themselves to a lizard when they are ready to fcuk. I've messed up on opportunities where I really should have fcuked the lizard but I was tired. For instance, I met up with a lizard in the past at a Kizomba party and we went on a short meet and greet. After that, I stopped off at her home and she mentioned that she liked to go swimming and enjoy the pool there. Being tired I didn't push the envelope and left. Ideally, I should have taken her up on the offer and penetrated her in the water...
Thinking on that, I made an offer to meet up with her another day but she was talking a whole heap about the church so I ejected from the situation..
WestIndianArchie · 2018-08-10 20:05:00 · #8440
If she sees already sees you as beta then when she has time to further think about you she will still see you as beta
But if she sees you as alpha then when she thinks about you further she will talk her self into liking you even more
So it's good that's she's thinking about you if she has a positive perception about you and it's bad she's thinking of you if she has a negative perception about you
Her negative perception can be altered if you change your vibe , behavior and personality into something that's more masculine and alpha
But if she sees you as alpha then when she thinks about you further she will talk her self into liking you even more
So it's good that's she's thinking about you if she has a positive perception about you and it's bad she's thinking of you if she has a negative perception about you
Her negative perception can be altered if you change your vibe , behavior and personality into something that's more masculine and alpha
Noir · 2018-08-11 04:21:00 · #8442
^^ you're simplifying it and applying blog reading to this. Experience tells me otherwise especially when I assume, know and believe she has the most positive impression of me.
Women have ADHD constantly, the more time you give her to think, the more shit comes up that interferes with the lay if you haven't imposed a roadmap on the interaction.
I want to say it's mostly true yet circumstantial but let's break this down as you got me mulling over this now.
There is a difference between letting her THINK and letting her IMAGINE.
With girls I speak to, I aim to spark their imaginations and not their thought processes.
Hence I want to create a fantasy, future projection and discuss things as a 'we' thing.
Example from Thursday, telling a story about a haunting and my ex girlfriend, I drop in 'imagine you were there. Hold on, it would be strange having you and my ex fighting over me'. She laughs, plays with her hair and adjusts her seat while maintaining eye contact. (and of course, you're reading her automatically)
It's subliminal and it's planted and I move the fuck on with the story, keeping it relevant and eliciting those emotions.
If she's a slow burner (social circle girl), I put out things that I want her to think about, sit on. It's a like a 'take home project' where you plant seeds. It will be outright offensive and though provoking and she will discuss this with her friends. It's what Virgil Kent wrote about with his 'python game' for girls you see over a prolonged period of time.
You know this because when you see them again they're different, looking at you different and dropping bait about the topic. It's always secret society shit. It works when you have a reputation for being a womanizer and they're curious. The more aloof you are, the more they prod and I don't like to talk about my life. I don't have the inclination to correct their assumptions either- I just figure out the positive ones and amplify them. When they fill the gaps in themselves, it's with the best case scenarios which kinda does the work for you.
90% of the time though, she shouldn't have time to think because it takes her out of the NOW, the moment I am presenting and the fantasy we are within.
Some players will make a distinction between being ahead or behind with her wanting you. This is amateur, you are always ahead and you communicate this. She works for your dick and not vice versa.
Either way, I am planting the desirable thoughts and fantasies in her mind and letting her believe it's her own brain coming up with this shit. Then I am sexualizing the conversation and myself as a target so she makes the connection in her mind.
Thoughts = rational
Fantasies and imagination = emotional
Let them think their own shit when I ain't around but ideally imagine. Plant the seeds to get them thinking away from you and let them fall in love when you take that stimulus away.
You get in depth with a esoteric topic and it's something she never discussed with a guy before. These kinda conversations, you let her think and you fluctuate between agree/disagree as a positive reinforcement mechanism. Especially if shes treading carefully because you're pushing boundaries. Then you introduce another adjacent topic which furthers the conversation towards pulling and endorphins. You're piquing their curiosity with the assumption you will fuck.
You sweep them off their feet and elicit that good feeling. When you're absent, they think about it and yearn for it.
It's a difficult thing to put into words and terms such as frame and vibe don't do it justice.
She can think within a container (which is the category of shit I wanna discuss) but that's about it. I call out the topics and direct the conversation. She imagines within that paradigm; she imagines 'us' based off the ingredients I put out. Travel, human dynamics, 'getting it', sexuality through non-verbals.
Is she thinking about the topic specifically or is she thinking about ME?
You know this from the way they look at you and this is when they're copying the way you're looking at them. It's like ventriloquist game and mirroring gives you that feedback.
What I've noticed is that as long as the thinking isn't logistics based then it's fine and you have wiggle room but nothing groundbreaking comes out of it nor does it further the interaction towards the bedroom because 99% of women are shit conversationalists and bad at flirting with intent. They're only good at responding to what you put out there and if you're putting out shit that requires their thought then you're putting the ball in their court and that's less power and leverage for you to play around with.
Take control and do the thinking for her while she believes it's herself.
The beauty of this is that you'll get girls who will respond with non-template responses and the conversation can go into uncharted territory. These ones are the most fun and usually open to new experiences because this signals an open mind and I screen for this (sexually, characteristically) and will qualify on the spot to ensure it's not accidental.
To summarize;
I am getting her to imagine the topic and sparking that side of her mind.
I am getting her to think about me and be curious about me, not the topic at hand.
Her imagination and thoughts look all over the place and something like:
- it would be so hot to have a private waterfall to ourselves after a sweaty hike
- why is he so imposing?
- i haven't been a boat before, i would love to explore it
- who is he?
- why does he think this way?
- he must fuck a lot, he's in good shape and has a sexy voice
- i wonder what it's like when he speaks in his language in bed
- i wonder what we would look like out together or on social media
- he's different
- i wish i wasn't on my period
etc etc etc.
It's not:
- immigrants have a right to seek asylum here
- Trump is an idiot, I can't believe he said that
- I actually enjoy that song, wtf
- He doesn't like chimichangas but I do
- do parking tickets expire after a certain time?
This is why storytelling is powerful, esoteric topics are desirable and not talking about sex but being sexy is successful.
Women have ADHD constantly, the more time you give her to think, the more shit comes up that interferes with the lay if you haven't imposed a roadmap on the interaction.
(08-09-2018 07:18 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: "If you give her time to think, you're fucking up"
Mostly true or mostly false?
I want to say it's mostly true yet circumstantial but let's break this down as you got me mulling over this now.
There is a difference between letting her THINK and letting her IMAGINE.
With girls I speak to, I aim to spark their imaginations and not their thought processes.
Hence I want to create a fantasy, future projection and discuss things as a 'we' thing.
Example from Thursday, telling a story about a haunting and my ex girlfriend, I drop in 'imagine you were there. Hold on, it would be strange having you and my ex fighting over me'. She laughs, plays with her hair and adjusts her seat while maintaining eye contact. (and of course, you're reading her automatically)
It's subliminal and it's planted and I move the fuck on with the story, keeping it relevant and eliciting those emotions.
If she's a slow burner (social circle girl), I put out things that I want her to think about, sit on. It's a like a 'take home project' where you plant seeds. It will be outright offensive and though provoking and she will discuss this with her friends. It's what Virgil Kent wrote about with his 'python game' for girls you see over a prolonged period of time.
You know this because when you see them again they're different, looking at you different and dropping bait about the topic. It's always secret society shit. It works when you have a reputation for being a womanizer and they're curious. The more aloof you are, the more they prod and I don't like to talk about my life. I don't have the inclination to correct their assumptions either- I just figure out the positive ones and amplify them. When they fill the gaps in themselves, it's with the best case scenarios which kinda does the work for you.
90% of the time though, she shouldn't have time to think because it takes her out of the NOW, the moment I am presenting and the fantasy we are within.
Some players will make a distinction between being ahead or behind with her wanting you. This is amateur, you are always ahead and you communicate this. She works for your dick and not vice versa.
Either way, I am planting the desirable thoughts and fantasies in her mind and letting her believe it's her own brain coming up with this shit. Then I am sexualizing the conversation and myself as a target so she makes the connection in her mind.
Thoughts = rational
Fantasies and imagination = emotional
Let them think their own shit when I ain't around but ideally imagine. Plant the seeds to get them thinking away from you and let them fall in love when you take that stimulus away.
You get in depth with a esoteric topic and it's something she never discussed with a guy before. These kinda conversations, you let her think and you fluctuate between agree/disagree as a positive reinforcement mechanism. Especially if shes treading carefully because you're pushing boundaries. Then you introduce another adjacent topic which furthers the conversation towards pulling and endorphins. You're piquing their curiosity with the assumption you will fuck.
You sweep them off their feet and elicit that good feeling. When you're absent, they think about it and yearn for it.
It's a difficult thing to put into words and terms such as frame and vibe don't do it justice.
She can think within a container (which is the category of shit I wanna discuss) but that's about it. I call out the topics and direct the conversation. She imagines within that paradigm; she imagines 'us' based off the ingredients I put out. Travel, human dynamics, 'getting it', sexuality through non-verbals.
Is she thinking about the topic specifically or is she thinking about ME?
You know this from the way they look at you and this is when they're copying the way you're looking at them. It's like ventriloquist game and mirroring gives you that feedback.
What I've noticed is that as long as the thinking isn't logistics based then it's fine and you have wiggle room but nothing groundbreaking comes out of it nor does it further the interaction towards the bedroom because 99% of women are shit conversationalists and bad at flirting with intent. They're only good at responding to what you put out there and if you're putting out shit that requires their thought then you're putting the ball in their court and that's less power and leverage for you to play around with.
Take control and do the thinking for her while she believes it's herself.
The beauty of this is that you'll get girls who will respond with non-template responses and the conversation can go into uncharted territory. These ones are the most fun and usually open to new experiences because this signals an open mind and I screen for this (sexually, characteristically) and will qualify on the spot to ensure it's not accidental.
To summarize;
I am getting her to imagine the topic and sparking that side of her mind.
I am getting her to think about me and be curious about me, not the topic at hand.
Her imagination and thoughts look all over the place and something like:
- it would be so hot to have a private waterfall to ourselves after a sweaty hike
- why is he so imposing?
- i haven't been a boat before, i would love to explore it
- who is he?
- why does he think this way?
- he must fuck a lot, he's in good shape and has a sexy voice
- i wonder what it's like when he speaks in his language in bed
- i wonder what we would look like out together or on social media
- he's different
- i wish i wasn't on my period
etc etc etc.
It's not:
- immigrants have a right to seek asylum here
- Trump is an idiot, I can't believe he said that
- I actually enjoy that song, wtf
- He doesn't like chimichangas but I do
- do parking tickets expire after a certain time?
This is why storytelling is powerful, esoteric topics are desirable and not talking about sex but being sexy is successful.
Black Caesar · 2018-08-11 05:26:00 · #8443
WIA was saying this earlier but foreign Game will make you lazy.
Now it’s just like show up, dap the homies, girl eyes me up, wave her over, she’s like “here take my number”
I’m like but I didn’t say anything yet. She’s like “yeah but I saw you here last week”
Now it’s just like show up, dap the homies, girl eyes me up, wave her over, she’s like “here take my number”
I’m like but I didn’t say anything yet. She’s like “yeah but I saw you here last week”
rudebwoy · 2018-08-11 09:41:00 · #8444
(08-10-2018 11:15 AM)Moma Wrote:(08-06-2018 03:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: I strive for this everyday.
Making money and being mobile is a dream, I have met a few guys who manage this lifestyle.
Been tossing the idea around of opening a restaurant, it is going to require more time than the 9 to 5 and I certainly wouldn't be upwardly mobile.
As long as you're upwardly content, who cares? Mobility only matters if you are bored with where you are at. There are some people who live like lions where they are at, they are the ideal echelon of what needs to be. Maybe the opportunity to travel once or twice a year just to mix things up and provide contrast to further appreciate what one has, what more is needed?
I am more than content, even with the dreaded city I live in.
One or two week holidays don't do if for me anymore, that time can go quickly if you are visiting more than one place.
The "dream" is to spend time in different places, two months at a time.
Whether it is drop shipping or futures trading, both allow you to escape the cubicle and make money whilst travelling.
Speaking of travelling, two weeks and I am back in Europe after a long hiatus.
The photography game is going to be next level.
WestIndianArchie · 2018-08-11 12:40:00 · #8445
*reads Noir's post*
*deletes 468 pages*
WIA
*deletes 468 pages*
WIA
Moma · 2018-08-11 13:01:00 · #8446
(08-11-2018 05:26 AM)Black Caesar Wrote: WIA was saying this earlier but foreign Game will make you lazy.
Now it’s just like show up, dap the homies, girl eyes me up, wave her over, she’s like “here take my number”
I’m like but I didn’t say anything yet. She’s like “yeah but I saw you here last week”
Part of Game is finding out sweet zones. If you want to make things more challenging one can always go to Toronto as much as possible..
Ogunn · 2018-08-11 14:51:00 · #8447
rudebwoy · 2018-08-11 18:36:00 · #8448
This is a great post by Dodgy, in regards to Milennials.
Unfortunately Rudewboy this will fall on deaf ears. You're older and don't understand millenials. They take the old adage "Fake it till you make it" and turn it into just "Fake It." Because making it requires too much time, sacrifice, discipline, pain and hard work that these kids don't want to put in.
And although this is a Game Forum, most of these millennials that come on here don't want to learn Game. It's too hard and takes too much time. That's why a significant amount of shit in Game and Travel sections can be summed up as "How can I get the most sex with the hottest girls without putting in substantial time, work or sacrifice to get them."
Instead of grinding and achieving, they would rather look for short cuts or "hacks." So they would rather be bartenders than doctors, because they want to believe a bartender at the Yardhouse with shitty tribal tattoos gets more pussy than a doctor.
Or they want to be a club DJ. And the "Club DJ" perfectly represents the laziness of millennials. Club DJs don't play their own music, they play other dudes music. So rather than spend years learning music to become someone like Tiesto, these kids want the easy route and get laid and paid off another man's hard work.
And that's why they love social media and constantly prattle on about how IG followers is DHV, and idolize some one like Bilzerian because he's the ultimate example of their "Fake It" mantra. These kids think that if they have a lot of followers and become Instafamous then hot girls will see their high follower count and start Dm'ing then nude pics and begging to suck their cocks.
It's the perfect fantasy for the lazy millenial. No effort to either achieve anything, or become a high value man; just post some pretty pictures, get famous and then watch the girls get wet over how many followers you have.
And when you call these kids on their social media bullshit, they always recoil defensively and argue that "you old guys just don't get it." And their right. Old guys don't understand why someone would spend their time pretending to live a certain lifestyle when they can put that time into creating one for real.
Old guys don't understand the mindset of wanting to be famous for nothing. In ancient times if you wanted to be famous you picked up a baseball bat/football/basketball/guitar or whatever, and got to work.
But these kids don't want to work. Or to use their own lingo, these kids don't want no smoke.
That's why instead of going out into the world and getting their hands dirty, they would rather sit on their ass and trade crypto. That's why they don't want to do the hard things to become successful with girls, they just want "access." They think if they become bartenders or Instacelebs then they don't have to approach because girls will come to them. But by that logic they should be supermarket cashiers, because hot girls need to pay for those groceries right?
But it's just laziness, and then these kids hamster away their laziness by arguing that a component of game is access to hot girls. I don't know where that came from. If you want access to hot girls go approach them. Don't pretend to be hacking the system by being a bartender, Instaceleb or yoga instructor. This isn't smart and it isn't Game. It's just laziness.
And you kids are lazy because of the technology you love so much. You grew up in the most technologically advanced time in human history. But all this tech bullshit, all your smart phones, and your Tinder and your UberEats have made you kids soft and decadent.
And there's no amount of followers or social media fame that can compensate for your softness. You kids can fake being an alpha all you want, but at some point you're going to have to show it. That's one reason why Bilzerian always has different girls coming through. Sure he's paying them no doubt, but if he was as badass as he projects himself to be you would think these girls would be willing members of a harem right? I mean isn't that the crux of hypergamy? So if he was as alpha as he projects, then why would these girls leave and mess with a lesser man?
But he's not badass in real life and these girls probably figure that out quickly. I bet his privigiled upbringing and lifestyle has made him soft and these girls realize that what is projected in photos, isn't congruent to how he is in real life. So they take his cash and bounce, because even gold digging thots want their men real and not fake.
And then you kids wonder why girls your age would mess around with guys in their 30s or 40s. Because girls need masculine polarity not high "follower-to-likes" ratios. And older guys are more masculine then you kids plain and simple. Because we don't play pretend, we make it in real life.
And girls have an inherent knack for sniffing out weakness in men, and I'm sure girls in their early twenties are getting awfully tired of constantly smelling weakness on dudes their own age. They want men; and there are no amount of social media followers that can mask the fact that you kids aren't men, but soft little boys.
Apologies for the long rant, but couldn't take it anymore.
P. S. And you kids make sure to stay off my lawn too.
Unfortunately Rudewboy this will fall on deaf ears. You're older and don't understand millenials. They take the old adage "Fake it till you make it" and turn it into just "Fake It." Because making it requires too much time, sacrifice, discipline, pain and hard work that these kids don't want to put in.
And although this is a Game Forum, most of these millennials that come on here don't want to learn Game. It's too hard and takes too much time. That's why a significant amount of shit in Game and Travel sections can be summed up as "How can I get the most sex with the hottest girls without putting in substantial time, work or sacrifice to get them."
Instead of grinding and achieving, they would rather look for short cuts or "hacks." So they would rather be bartenders than doctors, because they want to believe a bartender at the Yardhouse with shitty tribal tattoos gets more pussy than a doctor.
Or they want to be a club DJ. And the "Club DJ" perfectly represents the laziness of millennials. Club DJs don't play their own music, they play other dudes music. So rather than spend years learning music to become someone like Tiesto, these kids want the easy route and get laid and paid off another man's hard work.
And that's why they love social media and constantly prattle on about how IG followers is DHV, and idolize some one like Bilzerian because he's the ultimate example of their "Fake It" mantra. These kids think that if they have a lot of followers and become Instafamous then hot girls will see their high follower count and start Dm'ing then nude pics and begging to suck their cocks.
It's the perfect fantasy for the lazy millenial. No effort to either achieve anything, or become a high value man; just post some pretty pictures, get famous and then watch the girls get wet over how many followers you have.
And when you call these kids on their social media bullshit, they always recoil defensively and argue that "you old guys just don't get it." And their right. Old guys don't understand why someone would spend their time pretending to live a certain lifestyle when they can put that time into creating one for real.
Old guys don't understand the mindset of wanting to be famous for nothing. In ancient times if you wanted to be famous you picked up a baseball bat/football/basketball/guitar or whatever, and got to work.
But these kids don't want to work. Or to use their own lingo, these kids don't want no smoke.
That's why instead of going out into the world and getting their hands dirty, they would rather sit on their ass and trade crypto. That's why they don't want to do the hard things to become successful with girls, they just want "access." They think if they become bartenders or Instacelebs then they don't have to approach because girls will come to them. But by that logic they should be supermarket cashiers, because hot girls need to pay for those groceries right?
But it's just laziness, and then these kids hamster away their laziness by arguing that a component of game is access to hot girls. I don't know where that came from. If you want access to hot girls go approach them. Don't pretend to be hacking the system by being a bartender, Instaceleb or yoga instructor. This isn't smart and it isn't Game. It's just laziness.
And you kids are lazy because of the technology you love so much. You grew up in the most technologically advanced time in human history. But all this tech bullshit, all your smart phones, and your Tinder and your UberEats have made you kids soft and decadent.
And there's no amount of followers or social media fame that can compensate for your softness. You kids can fake being an alpha all you want, but at some point you're going to have to show it. That's one reason why Bilzerian always has different girls coming through. Sure he's paying them no doubt, but if he was as badass as he projects himself to be you would think these girls would be willing members of a harem right? I mean isn't that the crux of hypergamy? So if he was as alpha as he projects, then why would these girls leave and mess with a lesser man?
But he's not badass in real life and these girls probably figure that out quickly. I bet his privigiled upbringing and lifestyle has made him soft and these girls realize that what is projected in photos, isn't congruent to how he is in real life. So they take his cash and bounce, because even gold digging thots want their men real and not fake.
And then you kids wonder why girls your age would mess around with guys in their 30s or 40s. Because girls need masculine polarity not high "follower-to-likes" ratios. And older guys are more masculine then you kids plain and simple. Because we don't play pretend, we make it in real life.
And girls have an inherent knack for sniffing out weakness in men, and I'm sure girls in their early twenties are getting awfully tired of constantly smelling weakness on dudes their own age. They want men; and there are no amount of social media followers that can mask the fact that you kids aren't men, but soft little boys.
Apologies for the long rant, but couldn't take it anymore.
P. S. And you kids make sure to stay off my lawn too.
WestIndianArchie · 2018-08-11 19:05:00 · #8449
I'm not going to throw all millennials under the bus, but a lot of the young dudes i've run across in the game and red pill community - that sounds about right.
This is what science is saying though
"In the past, forced or arranged marriages meant that socially inept, unattractive men did not have to acquire social skills to find a partner. Today, men who have difficulty flirting may remain single because their social skills have not evolved to meet societal demands, suggests new research."
https://psychcentral.com/news/2018/08/11...37711.html
This is what science is saying though
"In the past, forced or arranged marriages meant that socially inept, unattractive men did not have to acquire social skills to find a partner. Today, men who have difficulty flirting may remain single because their social skills have not evolved to meet societal demands, suggests new research."
https://psychcentral.com/news/2018/08/11...37711.html
WestIndianArchie · 2018-08-11 19:23:00 · #8450
(08-10-2018 08:41 PM)Lowkey Wrote: If she sees already sees you as beta then when she has time to further think about you she will still see you as beta
But if she sees you as alpha then when she thinks about you further she will talk her self into liking you even more
So it's good that's she's thinking about you if she has a positive perception about you and it's bad she's thinking of you if she has a negative perception about you
Her negative perception can be altered if you change your vibe , behavior and personality into something that's more masculine and alpha
I don't really mess too hard with that alpha/beta/sigma/omega stuff out of the Red Pill community. Even Rollo was saying that stuff is in the abstract.
I also don't fuck with "value" in the traditional PUA community either.
Like Casino - you had the beta provider and the aggressive alpha male - the guy who was fucking her didn't operate on that bullshit. He used her to get their money. And she was HAPPY to help him.
I've said this before, you're trying to make her react to you, put her in reaction to you. She's always reacting to what you do. She's always scrambling. You're always a challenge. Something is always new.
She is always engaged.
So in that context - if the chick is reacting to you, you are alpha to her. If she is being challenged by you, in a way that she wants to rise and meet the challenge - that is value. Things that get her excited and animated and doing shit - that's what she values. In a Pavlovian sense, like she values hot french fries and cold ice cream, and warm bubble baths, and movies that make her cry. When she screams at the top of her lungs when she sees her friends - that's value.
All that nonsense about back in the Serengeti, on the savannah and shit, warriors, shamans,and tribal chiefs - r/K selection - that is all abstract - that is all intellectual bullshit to a large extent.
All those things are external markers for the type of adventure you can give her. Plenty of those MMA type dudes smash. But there are a lot of guys at the dojo, NOT FUCKING. Same thing with body builders, jocks from college and high school....etc.
So you got a perfect paragon of manhood, strong, tall, good facial features - but when he finally gets enough liquid courage in him to spit - he doesn't have the behavior that she's envisioning.
For us black dudes - if you look like Kimbo Slice and you're straight scaring chicks - if you come at the chick with a playful nature/softer image, but when shit gets real, you get real too - that's a good contrast. Every dude needs that edge.
I got the baby face/school boy charm - so from jump, the chick knows that I'm fun, but she's not gonna take my seriously. Until she does -and Archie has some depth he keeps on the low. Suddenly there's something more to discover.
In the bar, in the club, on the street - I can make a chick laugh, make a chick chase. Not all chicks, not every time, but enough so that I don't sleep alone if I don't want to. And it's not because I'm some rich dude, connected dude, super popular dude, and I damn fo sho ain't jacked....
But it's because I get how she thinks, how she behaves, what she looks to when she's not sure, yadda, yadda, yadda.
My man Birthday Cat said it earlier in the thread - your game basically gets better, the more you understand 1) people, 2) yourself.
WIA