Post: #51

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Post: #52

(01-04-2015 07:48 PM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 03:50 PM)SteveMcMahon Wrote:  And who the fuck are all these "numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well known Prime Minister, and other world leaders" she claims she was "sex-trafficked" to?

Didn't think he had it in him!

Well she sure as hell ain't talking about David Cameron.




Fucking poofter!

Post: #53

My first random thought on this topic is that if a bunch of 17 y.o boys pass around a 17 y.o girl like a cum rag after spending fuck all on cheap alcohol and weeds, it's your average high school party (or schoolies in Australia) but if a bunch of very rich men do the same while paying her $15K a pop, it's an international scandal. Somehow I don't think Western societies have our priorities straight.

Post: #54

Quote:During the early stages of that probe, cops surreptitiously collected the trash from in front of Epstein’s Palm Beach home. The refuse included documents with the names of some of his many underage masseuses, as well as an Amazon.com invoice for the purchase of sex slave books like “SlaveCraft: Roadmaps for Erotic Servitude--Principles, Skills and Tools,” “Training with Miss Abernathy: A Workbook for Erotic Slaves and Their Owners,” and “SM 101: A Realistic Introduction.”

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/bill...ein-908671

Post: #55

(01-05-2015 08:14 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  My first random thought on this topic is that if a bunch of 17 y.o boys pass around a 17 y.o girl like a cum rag after spending fuck all on cheap alcohol and weeds, it's your average high school party (or schoolies in Australia) but if a bunch of very rich men do the same while paying her $15K a pop, it's an international scandal. Somehow I don't think Western societies have our priorities straight.

This is what a real British paedophile looks like:

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #56

(01-05-2015 08:14 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  My first random thought on this topic is that if a bunch of 17 y.o boys pass around a 17 y.o girl like a cum rag after spending fuck all on cheap alcohol and weeds, it's your average high school party (or schoolies in Australia) but if a bunch of very rich men do the same while paying her $15K a pop, it's an international scandal. Somehow I don't think Western societies have our priorities straight.

Well this is with a prominent politician which:
a) allows for serious blackmailing of him, thus harming the entire public - what if he were blackmailed by a terrorist organization that resulted in the death of 100 citizens?
b) this is the some guy who creates and enforces rules that are used to jail lets say a 19 year old boy from having sex with a 17 year old. Here's the government saying "you can't do this" but they do it.

Post: #57

Okay, I just actually now read through some of this shit and saw that it listed Palm Beach FL. I've spent a little time in Palm Beach myself, I was just down there last night actually meeting some girls at their hotel room in some fancy place(yeah had to throw that in there ). It is probably the first time I've been exposed to that kind of wealth. I mean that KIND of wealth. It isn't like these guys are just rich, it's not just money, there's something sinister in some places like that.

As Fitzgerald wrote, “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we
are. They are different. ”

My friend and I couldn't wait to hit the highway and head up back to our hometown after we left the girls.

Seeing what I've seen, feeling the energy in places like that, and talking to the truly wealthy there, I believe this story could be true. I have to look at the details some more, but even if this particular story isn't true, I have no doubt that sex slavery rings patronized if not run by the elites exist in places like that.

Post: #58

(01-05-2015 02:11 PM)DChambers Wrote:  As Fitzgerald wrote, “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we
are. They are different. ”

Eh, it works both ways. The middle class think they're better than the rich because they HAVE to work for it.

You just ran away because you weren't used to it. I think it's important to step outside your comfort zone, especially if those are the types of chicks you want to date you'll have to be able to fit in.

Post: #59

What are sex slaves for if not to abuse!?

(01-05-2015 01:23 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Quote:During the early stages of that probe, cops surreptitiously collected the trash from in front of Epstein’s Palm Beach home. The refuse included documents with the names of some of his many underage masseuses, as well as an Amazon.com invoice for the purchase of sex slave books like “SlaveCraft: Roadmaps for Erotic Servitude--Principles, Skills and Tools,” “Training with Miss Abernathy: A Workbook for Erotic Slaves and Their Owners,” and “SM 101: A Realistic Introduction.”

Those books are sitting on my bookshelf as we speak, and many others of the same ilk.

Post: #60

(01-05-2015 02:19 PM)monster Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:11 PM)DChambers Wrote:  As Fitzgerald wrote, “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we
are. They are different. ”

Eh, it works both ways. The middle class think they're better than the rich because they HAVE to work for it.

You just ran away because you weren't used to it. I think it's important to step outside your comfort zone, especially if those are the types of chicks you want to date you'll have to be able to fit in.

Good point. And you're right, I want it all.

Post: #61

(01-04-2015 02:59 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  Wow, some people here clearly are not at all familiar with this case and are just learning of it now. It has been going on for years.
This has nothing to do with the college rape hysteria, false rape accusations, it is not at all a situation like that nearly 18 year old woman who knew what she was getting into and got with Berlusconi, or other feminist crap.
This is about someone whose particular fetish is Ephebophilia, meaning he likes adolescent girls.
Also, the fact that a 17 year old smiles in a single picture, and has been given compensation, doesn't mean she is just some dumb whore who got paid and enjoyed it, and now has second thoughts years later. She was preyed upon starting at 15. And call me old fashioned, but that's how I see it.
I mean, what the fuck? I'm somewhat callous, and definitely have some loose morals...but no way would I approve of my 15 year old sister or daughter getting seduced by a middle aged billionaire and then whored out to his friends. 15 year olds are incredibly immature and young.
Do any of you really think this is somehow ok?

Not if you give them responsibility. There is much greater potential for maturity than you imagine in regards to: "Adolescents"

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/...hing-teens


Why do you think teenage Angst exists if not as a result of being infantilized beyond what nature intended? Why is it particularly at this time that rebellion happens much more often? Perhaps they were meant to do more.

People become what you expect of them.

Thomas Edison and Alexander the Great for example did much in their "Adolescence" perhaps we should stop looking down on them as helpless children.

But I do agree with you that the Father reserves the right to screen his daughter's suitors. In a Patriarchal society none of those lechers would even dare and even if they dared they would meet the end of the gun barrel. Similarly with brothers.

Post: #62

(01-06-2015 06:36 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 02:59 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  Wow, some people here clearly are not at all familiar with this case and are just learning of it now. It has been going on for years.
This has nothing to do with the college rape hysteria, false rape accusations, it is not at all a situation like that nearly 18 year old woman who knew what she was getting into and got with Berlusconi, or other feminist crap.
This is about someone whose particular fetish is Ephebophilia, meaning he likes adolescent girls.
Also, the fact that a 17 year old smiles in a single picture, and has been given compensation, doesn't mean she is just some dumb whore who got paid and enjoyed it, and now has second thoughts years later. She was preyed upon starting at 15. And call me old fashioned, but that's how I see it.
I mean, what the fuck? I'm somewhat callous, and definitely have some loose morals...but no way would I approve of my 15 year old sister or daughter getting seduced by a middle aged billionaire and then whored out to his friends. 15 year olds are incredibly immature and young.
Do any of you really think this is somehow ok?

Not if you give them responsibility. There is much greater potential for maturity than you imagine in regards to: "Adolescents"

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/...hing-teens


Why do you think teenage Angst exists if not as a result of being infantilized beyond what nature intended? Why is it particularly at this time that rebellion happens much more often? Perhaps they were meant to do more.

People become what you expect of them.

Thomas Edison and Alexander the Great for example did much in their "Adolescence" perhaps we should stop looking down on them as helpless children.

But I do agree with you that the Father reserves the right to screen his daughter's suitors. In a Patriarchal society none of those lechers would even dare and even if they dared they would meet the end of the gun barrel. Similarly with brothers.

I agree. Adolescents have the potential to be very mature. But sadly, the way our society is structured, a 15 year old girl is typically equivalent to an infant in terms of her ability to fend for herself and make adult decisions.
Long gone are the days when a 15 year old puritan woman in New England would give birth in the morning, and by the afternoon be right back at it, sewing, churning butter, and making sure home and hearth were in working order while her husband took care of the fields.

Post: #63

CNN just did a pretty long segment on this.

Post: #64

Shocked that "Bubba's" is involved i tell you. Shocked.

"According to court records, Clinton “frequently flew” with Epstein aboard the investor’s private jet from 2002 to 2005, the year news of the police investigation of Epstein was first reported."

"While Clinton was never deposed, lawyers obtained Epstein’s computerized phone directory, which included “e-mail addresses for Clinton along with 21 phone numbers for him, including those for his assistant (Doug Band),” according to a court filing."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/bill...ein-908671

Post: #65

Or maybe this girl's just attention-whoring. Let's not accuse rich people of operating a sex-ring simply because they're rich.

Post: #66

My guess is no one in England that values their health, finances or family well-being will get involved with seriously testifying against a Royal. Anyone who could corroborate what the chick says-the drivers, the maids, the cooks, the doormen--EVERYONE will keep their mouths shut.

You would have to be insane. I assume the Royal Family have their own very private, very expert, very potentially violent, very fanatically loyal enforcers. If they don't, who does?

In three days, this will all go away in the funded media. I would have never done what she did-- run my mouth against people that powerful for five figures. It shows how women think consequences don't apply to them. Not that I condone abuse of power.

You may have read about the Washington DC prostitute who was going to be prosecuted and who "hung herself" after threatening to name Congressmen as clients. She also declared publicly before that she was afraid of being murdered and definitely would not kill herself.

I think it's less easy for TPTB to get away with in the Internet age, but average people are considered tiny pawns by people like that.

Post: #67

(01-06-2015 12:51 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  My guess is no one in England that values their health, finances or family well-being will get involved with seriously testifying against a Royal. Anyone who could corroborate what the chicks says-the drivers, the maids, the cooks, the doormen--EVERYONE will keep their mouths shut.

You would have to be insane. I assume the Royal Family have their own very private, very expert, very potentially violent, very fanatically loyal enforcers. If they don't, who does?

In three days, this will all go away in the funded media. I would have never done what she did-- run my mouth against people that powerful for five figures. It shows how women think consequences don't apply to them.

You may have read about the Washington DC prostitute who was going to be prosecuted and who "hung herself" after threatening to name Congressmen as clients. She also declared publicly before that she was afraid of being murdered and definitely would not kill herself. I do not condone that crap and wish she sang and they all got outed.

I think it's less easy for TPTB to get away with in the Internet age, but average people are considered tiny pawns by people like that.

They've taken the very unusual step of issuing a formal statement. They're taking this serious, and they've got a LOT of juice in a lot of places.

Not to mention Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz and a bunch of other power players.

Post: #68

(01-06-2015 12:51 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  ...

I assume the Royal Family have their own very private, very expert, very potentially violent, very fanatically loyal enforcers. If they don't, who does?

...

That would be the SAS.

Post: #69

(01-06-2015 01:00 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  They've taken the very unusual step of issuing a formal statement. They're taking this serious, and they've got a LOT of juice in a lot of places.

You're right-- they wouldn't have had to do that pre-internet.

However, my impression is that will be the last they say on it.

And no one will come forward to corroborate her story, and so the only things that will ensue is in a couple weeks her talk show appearance and couple months maybea book... It's already fading away.

She already spilled the beans.." he licked my feet, he fucked me but it wasn't really rape... "
It's not really much of a story.

Post: #70

Honestly, if the people involved in this weren't vastly wealthy, it wouldn't have gone on near as long as it has. There is a ton of evidence, and repeated, deliberate violations of the law.
It's not a case where there was a mistake or a one time thing, and whatever we may think of gender roles and free will, what went on is extremely illegal according to the law of the land. Really, the potential sentence for what Epstein did is life in prison in the United States.

An average middle age citizen, if he was banging out 15 year olds, turning them into escorts or sex slaves or whatever you want to call them, filming it, giving them alcohol/drugs, and also passing them around to friends, would have gotten a federal prosecution on rape, kiddy porn, and a dozen other sex charges, and would have gotten a 15-30 year federal prison sentence if he was lucky...and probably the other people involved would have testified against him and gotten off somewhat lighter, say 8-15 years.

Post: #71

Once upon a time, there was a congressman in California called Gary Condit.

Gary was a skilled politician, with the sort of pearly-white smile and baby-kissing skills voters love.



He projected an image of being a clean-cut All-American family man and regular churchgoer, which went down well with his constituents. They rewarded him by keeping him in office for more than a decade.



But Gary had a secret. At the age of 53, he started fucking a 23 year old intern named Chandra Levy.



For a while, life was pretty sweet for Gary. He was a respected leader, had a seemingly lovely family, and a cute Jewish girl giving him blowjobs on the side. What could possibly go wrong?


Ruh roh!

After Chandra disappeared one day in 2001, poor Gary found himself at the centre of all sorts of attention.



Homicide detectives, the media, and a large swathe of the American public believed Mr. Condit had murdered his lover. Unfortunately, because he was a family-man-politician who had been having a secret affair with the victim, Gary was very sketchy in his reaction to the prying questions of the press.

There were all sorts of crazy rumours. A Vanity Fair writer said that Gary visited Middle Eastern embassies to fuck prostitutes. Another woman claimed Gary had phone sex with her and masturbated to gay fantasies. Others claimed he was into bondage and had Levy kidnapped, put on a plane, and dumped in the sea.

Most of those suspicions remained when the girl's body was found in a park a year later.

Chandra Levy's father, in his grief and distress at his daughter's death, was one of the voices calling for Gary to be put in jail.

Gary lost his job, and everywhere he looked, people were accusing him of being a murderer. The police had dropped their investigation against him, but couldn't say who murdered Chandra Levy. So the whispers continued...

It took nearly 10 years for the real murderer to be brought to justice. It was this guy:



Ingmar Guandique is a gang member and all-round scumbag who had a criminal record for viciously assaulting two other women in the very same park Chandra Levy was murdered in. His name came up in 2001 during the initial police investigation, but the police and FBI failed to follow up on it as thoroughly as they should have.

It wasn't until a new team of investigators re-opened the case in 2008 that Guandique was charged with the murder of Chandra Levy.

Under oath at the trial, Chandra's father recanted his earlier suspicion that Gary Condit had something to do with his daughter's murder. The police had thoroughly investigated Condit and found no reason to suspect him.

In 2010, after hearing all the evidence, the jury voted near-unanimously to convict Guandique.

Gary now works as the president of the Phoenix Institute of Desert Agriculture.

What does this have to do with sex slave allegations? Two things.

1) The media exists to grab your attention, not to tell you the truth. It's amazing how many men who already know the media plays fast and loose with the truth are willing to immediately and uncritically believe the worst about people when a sensational story is published.

2) There probably aren't any satanic orgies, black masses, black helicopters, or international kiddy sex rings being run by the rich and powerful. There might be, and if we can find real evidence of them, let's hang the fuckers. But there probably aren't.

I have no clue whether or not world leaders, presidents, and top businessmen have a secret underage sex abuse club. But common sense suggests they probably don't. So maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions.


Even though it's fun

There is real sleaze in public life. Lying politicians, dishonest business leaders, corrupt officials. Even the odd sex offender. But it's usually more boring sleaze than lurid tales of sex and conspiracy would have you believe.

Conspiracy ideation - the tendency to see complex webs of intrigue as an explanation for events - does nothing to help us hold public figures to account. It's like a dog barking up the wrong tree, while the cat laughs in the other.

Post: #72

(01-06-2015 02:38 PM)SteveMcMahon Wrote:  Once upon a time, there was a congressman in California called Gary Condit.

Gary was a skilled politician, with the sort of pearly-white smile and baby-kissing skills voters love.



He projected an image of being a clean-cut All-American family man and regular churchgoer, which went down well with his constituents. They rewarded him by keeping him in office for more than a decade.



But Gary had a secret. At the age of 53, he started fucking a 23 year old intern named Chandra Levy.



For a while, life was pretty sweet for Gary. He was a respected leader, had a seemingly lovely family, and a cute Jewish girl giving him blowjobs on the side. What could possibly go wrong?


Ruh roh!

After Chandra disappeared one day in 2001, poor Gary found himself at the centre of all sorts of attention.



Homicide detectives, the media, and a large swathe of the American public believed Mr. Condit had murdered his lover. Unfortunately, because he was a family-man-politician who had been having a secret affair with the victim, Gary was very sketchy in his reaction to the prying questions of the press.

There were all sorts of crazy rumours. A Vanity Fair writer said that Gary visited Middle Eastern embassies to fuck prostitutes. Another woman claimed Gary had phone sex with her and masturbated to gay fantasies. Others claimed he was into bondage and had Levy kidnapped, put on a plane, and dumped in the sea.

Most of those suspicions remained when the girl's body was found in a park a year later.

Chandra Levy's father, in his grief and distress at his daughter's death, was one of the voices calling for Gary to be put in jail.

Gary lost his job, and everywhere he looked, people were accusing him of being a murderer. The police had dropped their investigation against him, but couldn't say who murdered Chandra Levy. So the whispers continued...

It took nearly 10 years for the real murderer to be brought to justice. It was this guy:



Ingmar Guandique is a gang member and all-round scumbag who had a criminal record for viciously assaulting two other women in the very same park Chandra Levy was murdered in. His name came up in 2001 during the initial police investigation, but the police and FBI failed to follow up on it as thoroughly as they should have.

It wasn't until a new team of investigators re-opened the case in 2008 that Guandique was charged with the murder of Chandra Levy.

Under oath at the trial, Chandra's father recanted his earlier suspicion that Gary Condit had something to do with his daughter's murder. The police had thoroughly investigated Condit and found no reason to suspect him.

In 2010, after hearing all the evidence, the jury voted near-unanimously to convict Guandique.

Gary now works as the president of the Phoenix Institute of Desert Agriculture.

What does this have to do with sex slave allegations? Two things.

1) The media exists to grab your attention, not to tell you the truth. It's amazing how many men who already know the media plays fast and loose with the truth are willing to immediately and uncritically believe the worst about people when a sensational story is published.

2) There probably aren't any satanic orgies, black masses, black helicopters, or international kiddy sex rings being run by the rich and powerful. There might be, and if we can find real evidence of them, let's hang the fuckers. But there probably aren't.

I have no clue whether or not world leaders, presidents, and top businessmen have a secret underage sex abuse club. But common sense suggests they probably don't. So maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions.


Even though it's fun

There is real sleaze in public life. Lying politicians, dishonest business leaders, corrupt officials. Even the odd sex offender. But it's usually more boring sleaze than lurid tales of sex and conspiracy would have you believe.

Conspiracy ideation - the tendency to see complex webs of intrigue as an explanation for events - does nothing to help us hold public figures to account. It's like a dog barking up the wrong tree, while the cat laughs in the other.

Apples to oranges.
This is a different case.
The media certainly sensationalizes everything. It always has. See: yellow journalism and William Randolph Hearst.
Anyone who doesn't know that should just cut off their balls and accept they are blue pill for life.
Stating the obvious is pointless.
But in this case there is a repeated pattern of abuse by Epstein, and a huge scandal and cover-up over his plea deal.
I don't think there was an organized sex slave ring like Taken or similar to Eyes Wide Shut, that's hype. Sex trafficking does exist in real life, but it's mostly Russian and Chinese and Mexican and Asian mafias who traffic girls into general prostitution.
But what I do believe is that Epstein liked to turn out adolescent girls and manipulate them into bondage or whatever as his fetish. He also seems to be a bit of a voyeur and gotten an extra kick out of sharing his harem with his friends (all of whom are rich/powerful, because that's his social circle).
I doubt he saw anything at all wrong with this, as he truly believes there is one law for him and his friends, and another one for everyone else. Maybe breaking the law is a validation for him of his special status. He could have set himself up with girls from SEA outside of the USA at any number of his foreign properties and done whatever he wanted and never gotten caught or punished.
For the most part, he is right. Everything is for sale. This story will fade from the headlines, some people will get paid for maintaining their silence, no one will get punished. The victims who spoke out will face a retaliation.

Post: #73

(01-04-2015 04:44 PM)SteveMcMahon Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 03:57 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Don't always assume that just because these people are so rich and powerful that they are alpha minded in regards to women and don't have freaky vices or fetishes. Pussy has ruined many a man for as long as the earth has spun. It can be a great equalizer in ways. Just because you are fully cognizant of what their SMV is, doesn't mean that they do

Definitely mate.

It's not her stories about having sex that I find hard to believe. It's the claim that she was a "sex slave" (she admits she was given a lot of cash and bought £5,000 designer handbags and the like, by the way) and "trafficked" to numerous "world leaders" that stretches credulity.

Note that she still hasn't raised any kind of criminal or civil legal action against Prince Andrew. If you're a cynical sort, and I am, you might think this is a calculated ploy to get media attention (which it has) in order to publicly humiliate Epstein into paying her a nice fat settlement to stave off any further revelations. If Epstein has been holding out on them, they might well think that noising up his famous friends is a good way of putting pressure on the guy. Lot of money to be made there, her lawyers are probably expecting to make at least a couple of million each.

Those revelations wouldn't need to be true to be embarrassing for the guy at a time when he's probably trying to put his life back together after his conviction. What's he going to do? Sue her back? That would just make things worse for him.

Like the Bill Cosby allegations, it's inherently suspicious when people accuse rich and famous people years after the event. Doesn't mean the allegations are definitely false, but I tend to believe a man's innocent till proven guilty, unless there's credible evidence presented to the contrary.

Also note this girl got married 12 years ago. What's she going to tell her husband? "I gobbled rich men's cocks for money and Jimmy Choos", or "I was a poor innocent damsel and that evil billionaire made me do it!"?

Impossible to say without knowing all of the details,

I don't doubt that sex trafficking exists, or that underage sex trafficking exists. how exactly, at 15, did she end up meeting and fucking this 40 year old billionaire?

Either she is an orphan with no family, or maybe her parents are shite and just ended up pimping her out at a very young age. I assume thats how this works?

Post: #74

(01-06-2015 04:11 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Impossible to say without knowing all of the details,

I don't doubt that sex trafficking exists, or that underage sex trafficking exists. how exactly, at 15, did she end up meeting and fucking this 40 year old billionaire?

Either she is an orphan with no family, or maybe her parents are shite and just ended up pimping her out at a very young age. I assume thats how this works?

Look up Ghislaine Maxwell, high profile recruiter.

Post: #75

I remember that story! We all called him "Gary Con-did-it" or "Gary Condom"