Post: #26

Quote:Let me see if I understand you here. Are you arguing that the false-rape accusation trend has reached such overwhelmingly epidemic proportions that multiple accusations now have literally zero probative value? That having three girls accuse you of sexual assault doesn't muddy the waters even a bit? That's a very extreme position.

Yes, my position is that when these multiple accusations (i) take place at a university, (ii) are brought forward at the same time as though part of an agenda, (iii) involve accusers who clearly have a greater agenda or who are obviously exploiting their supposed victimhood for SJW points, (iv) are against a middle class, scholarship winning, Ivy Leaguer with no previous history of crime or mental illness, (v) when the hearings of even the kangaroo courts at a university are decided in his favor and (vi) no criminal charges are filed - I'm going to say the mere presence of multiple accusations has no probative value.

I guess I'm "extreme" in that I require evidence, not just the rantings of 22 year old feminists. Again, if you think these sorts of schemes aren't concocted by activists, you haven't been paying attention (the fact that the allegations all came within days of each other didn't raise red flags?).

Post: #27

If the bitches don't go to the police with the accusation, it's a lie. If the bitches go to the police and they laugh them out of there, it's a lie. If the bitches go to the university and the fucking kangaroo court laughs them out of there, it's most definitely a lie.

Post: #28

(12-22-2014 02:19 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  There is no shortage of evidence just over the last couple of weeks that there are many feminists and mentally deranged people fabricating rape accusations out of thin air. There is zero reason to think he is guilty just because of the number of unsupported allegations against him. The accused's story - that this is collusion among some deranged girls - is much more likely than "bad game".

I agree that this situation escalated way, way beyond the point it should have due to rape culture and rape hysteria but this should be looked at as a case study what happens with bad game.

We no longer live in a culture where bad game just doesn't get you laid or it gets you ignored. We live in a culture where bad game can potentially get you arrested if it's too over-the top. There are social norms you have to follow and an element of respect for boundaries.

This guy sounds like an angry young man, a foreign exchange student from Germany who probably felt a bit isolated. He's probably wealthy & smart (it is Columbia) and due to the isolation felt as if he deserved the girls and acted overly entitled and overly aggressive. The girls were not interested and he kept pursuing creeper or caveman style.

Yes, this escalated way the point of where it should have due to collusion among the girls and their exaggeration. But lets not forget it takes a match to start a fire and this game used bad game.

There's a lesson to be learned from this about the risks of bad game. It would be remiss of me to say "so don't use bad game" because the only way you get good game is by learning from your bad game. But it goes to show the importance of reading signals and responding correctly to unfavorable cues to mitigate damage to yourself, especially true with caveman style bad game.

Just another reason why fathers & brothers owe it to their sons to teach them good game. Unfortunately not everyone has a family or friends who can do that.

Post: #29

(12-22-2014 03:23 PM)monster Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 02:19 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  There is no shortage of evidence just over the last couple of weeks that there are many feminists and mentally deranged people fabricating rape accusations out of thin air. There is zero reason to think he is guilty just because of the number of unsupported allegations against him. The accused's story - that this is collusion among some deranged girls - is much more likely than "bad game".

I agree that this situation escalated way, way beyond the point it should have due to rape culture and rape hysteria but this should be looked at as a case study what happens with bad game.

We no longer live in a culture where bad game just doesn't get you laid or it gets you ignored. We live in a culture where bad game can potentially get you arrested if it's too over-the top. There are social norms you have to follow and an element of respect for boundaries.

This guy sounds like an angry young man, a foreign exchange student from Germany who probably felt a bit isolated. He's probably wealthy & smart (it is Columbia) and due to the isolation felt as if he deserved the girls and acted overly entitled and overly aggressive. The girls were not interested and he kept pursuing creeper or caveman style.

Yes, this escalated way the point of where it should have due to collusion among the girls and their exaggeration. But lets not forget it takes a match to start a fire and this game used bad game.

There's a lesson to be learned from this about the risks of bad game. It would be remiss of me to say "so don't use bad game" because the only way you get good game is by learning from your bad game. But it goes to show the importance of reading signals and responding correctly to unfavorable cues to mitigate damage to yourself, especially true with caveman style bad game.

Just another reason why fathers & brothers owe it to their sons to teach them good game. Unfortunately not everyone has a family or friends who can do that.

I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

Post: #30

In Salem in the 1690s, there were people burned at the stake because multiple accusers came forward and said they were witches.

We learned later the multiple accusers were wrong.

Post: #31

(12-22-2014 02:17 PM)Seamus Wrote:  I agree with Seamus. He was doing something wrong. I doubt he was doing what the girls describe, but he was obviously doing something NOT right to have three girls hate his guys enough to find each other and plot against him.

This situation is a combined result of a) over-entitled feminist students and b) bad game.

For his own sake, hopefully this guy improves his game to not be such an asshole.

Exactly my point.
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He's German, he's analytical. His mistake is not addressing the needy and crazy emotions of entitled women who are prepped to fall into victimhood at any moment.

Followed a girl up the stairs? That's a crime? It gives the idea like he was waiting in the shadows for a girl to walk up stairs alone. Does "follow" mean "walked right behind her when they were walking home from a party or function"?

Perhaps pulled her to him by the waist? What's fondled? She decided this was a crime AFTER she spoke to the "rape victim". She decided he did something after this girl claimed he raped her and doesn't want him to "get away with it" so she adds her bullshit version of her encounter to bolster the other report.

Same with the other girl.

My bullshit detector tells me if there was an opportunity for this guy to do several offenses on several different occasions then she was seeing this guy on purpose. It wasn't an issue until she met one or two other girls that were "assaulted".

This guy hasn't had any problems before nor since.

What you're doing is exactly what these feminists are doing, making assumptions on news reports that are biased.

The untold story is this normal guy had the misfortune of going to a school with socially maladjusted womynists.

Post: #32

Quote: Paul Nungesser, man, ITS NOT YOUR FAULT. You've done nothing wrong...except being raised into a feminist.

Word.

As responsible men who pursue self-improvement, we always start with the question "What did I do to get myself into this situation? How can I change that in the future?" That's an absolute given, and I'm sure Nungesser has been over this 100 times in his head, but we need to remember what sort of world we're living in.

As Aaron Clarey said, "It's not your fault."

Quote:When GDP contracts at 3.8%, it doesn't matter how good of an employee you are, demand for your firm's product, and thus labor goes down. The company cannot keep you on, not because you're not pulling your own weight, but because there just isn't demand for your labor.

The exact same thing goes for women (I believe he had a post on that, but I can't find it): you played the game, built yourself up, treated others well, stayed out of prison, and you can't find a wife? Yeah, learning Game might help - but at the end of the day IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.

With the campus political climate being what it is, Nungesser could have run perfect Game and avoided all the obvious crazies, and still wound up in this situation. With these girls, it's not just what you do that matters, it's what you make them think of. Does your body language remind her of an ex-boyfriend? Rapist. Does your vernacular include a word that a scary rapist said on a movie in 1988? Rapist. Did she have a nightmare that you raped her? Rapist.

That is all it takes with some of these women; that is literally all.

All the Game in the world won't protect you against a woman who falsely accuses you because of a dream, and as for spotting crazies - even at 33 years of age, having studied psychology as a hobby for most of my adult life, even I am not perfectly shielded against them.

These are college girls under no-stress with free food and an ego-affirming environment: trying to spot the signs of crazy are nearly impossible, it's the sort of thing that usually only manifests under stress.

Furthermore, you don't even need to sleep with these girls, touch these girls, or even speak to these girls to be falsely accused; this is evident by Number 2, whom he claims to have never touched (and I believe him).

There's quite a bit one can do to protect themselves against FRAs, but not armour is perfect. Given the utter nonsense in these accusations, I can't even see assigning him the blame of "Gotta stay away from crazy." He did nothing wrong here.

Post: #33

I feel TheWastelander's response applies to all of "the guy should improve his game" posts.

(12-22-2014 03:29 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

Post: #34

(12-22-2014 03:29 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 03:23 PM)monster Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 02:19 PM)Lemmo Wrote:  There is no shortage of evidence just over the last couple of weeks that there are many feminists and mentally deranged people fabricating rape accusations out of thin air. There is zero reason to think he is guilty just because of the number of unsupported allegations against him. The accused's story - that this is collusion among some deranged girls - is much more likely than "bad game".

I agree that this situation escalated way, way beyond the point it should have due to rape culture and rape hysteria but this should be looked at as a case study what happens with bad game.

We no longer live in a culture where bad game just doesn't get you laid or it gets you ignored. We live in a culture where bad game can potentially get you arrested if it's too over-the top. There are social norms you have to follow and an element of respect for boundaries.

This guy sounds like an angry young man, a foreign exchange student from Germany who probably felt a bit isolated. He's probably wealthy & smart (it is Columbia) and due to the isolation felt as if he deserved the girls and acted overly entitled and overly aggressive. The girls were not interested and he kept pursuing creeper or caveman style.

Yes, this escalated way the point of where it should have due to collusion among the girls and their exaggeration. But lets not forget it takes a match to start a fire and this game used bad game.

There's a lesson to be learned from this about the risks of bad game. It would be remiss of me to say "so don't use bad game" because the only way you get good game is by learning from your bad game. But it goes to show the importance of reading signals and responding correctly to unfavorable cues to mitigate damage to yourself, especially true with caveman style bad game.

Just another reason why fathers & brothers owe it to their sons to teach them good game. Unfortunately not everyone has a family or friends who can do that.

I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

Exactly. The article says he is a scholarship winner from a family of moderate means so no evidence he is rich (not that it would be relevant anyway). No evidence to support the other assumptions. He seems like a high functioning guy - multilingual, degree in architecture from top ranked Uni, long term girlfriend, comes from an intact family. Some people start with an agenda and fill in the facts. As for me, I tend to dismiss the crazy girl dragging the mattress in the absence of facts to support her claims.

Post: #35

With the evidence presented here, blaming this guy for having 'bad game' is the equivalent of blaming a woman, returning from a Christmas work function, slightly tipsy, and wearing something sexy but professional - for provoking her rape, since she chose public transit instead of paying for a cab.

I'll be the first to say "What did you THINK was going to happen?" to the woman who shows up blackout drunk, in a short-skirt, with no panties, to a Hell's Angel's rally - or to the guy who plies women with way too much alcohol, and then aggressively pursues them - but that isn't the case here.

Post: #36

(12-22-2014 02:17 PM)Seamus Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 02:06 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Well that's certainly one way to kill the discussion

I don't think this forum is the place to have a "discussion" about the merits of laughable collusion and lies -- lies so outrageous that they have been dismissed even by a college kangaroo court -- in the midst of an unprecedented and unprecedentedly evil rape hysteria campaign that can easily affect any one of us one day.

There should be zero tolerance for these outrageous lies. They have gone far beyond anything that can be countenanced with an affectedly calm and reasonable tone.

There has been so much endless cant about "rape" -- one hears it all the time -- that I think even guys on this forum (and I don't mean Seamus who is trolling) might have become a little desensitized to what an utter outrage it is. It's how the BIG LIE works.

There is no "rape", almost ever. It is a violent crime which is extremely, extremely rare -- even in lower classes, even in relatively dangerous neighborhoods. The idea that it occurs on college campuses, of all places, is an unspeakable outrage -- unspeakable!

It is an insult to one's very sense of reality.

Even the 6.1 per 1000 number is grossly misleading. It includes "rape" as well as "sexual assault"; guess what fraction of that constitutes actual "rape"? Certainly close to ZERO. And "sexual assault" can mean nearly everything -- it can mean a girl being lightly groped by someone at a party where everyone is drunk, or just imagining that this happened. What a terrible crime.

Yet everyone is talking about "rape", rape this, rape that, "rape culture". It is unbearable. Enough is f'ing enough. No tolerance for this evil garbage.

Post: #37

(12-22-2014 03:39 PM)heavy Wrote:  I feel TheWastelander's response applies to all of "the guy should improve his game" posts.

(12-22-2014 03:29 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

When groups of girls get together and hamsterize they don't go "we should report this guy to the police" with normal dudes. With alpha guys they go, "he's attractive, handsome, a real "catch." With Omegas they make fun of him and call him a loser and other rude jokes. With your average betas they go "he's nice but he's not my type." It's only under extreme circumstances - mostly likely someone overly aggressive, perhaps violent, perhaps just a downright asshole - that they are going to say "we should report this guy for sexual assault." Then the hamsterization begins and they make a mountain out of a molehill.

I am not NOT blaming the feminists. I absolutely think it's their fault. I also think its the fault of the college and the state to pandering to the bullshit feminism. But I don't think that the guy is not without error either. And I think it goes to show what can happen with bad game these days.

Post: #38

(12-22-2014 03:57 PM)monster Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 03:39 PM)heavy Wrote:  I feel TheWastelander's response applies to all of "the guy should improve his game" posts.

(12-22-2014 03:29 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

When groups of girls get together and hamsterize they don't go "we should report this guy to the police" with normal dudes. With alpha guys they go, "he's attractive, handsome, a real "catch." With Omegas they make fun of him and call him a loser and other rude jokes. With your average betas they go "he's nice but he's not my type." It's only under extreme circumstances - mostly likely someone overly aggressive, perhaps violent, perhaps just a downright asshole - that they are going to say "we should report this guy for sexual assault." Then the hamsterization begins and they make a mountain out of a molehill.

I am not NOT blaming the feminists. I absolutely think it's their fault. I also think its the fault of the college and the state to pandering to the bullshit feminism. But I don't think that the guy is not without error either. And I think it goes to show what can happen with bad game these days.

I think you're ignoring a certain biblical verse regarding a woman scorned.

Post: #39

(12-22-2014 03:57 PM)monster Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 03:39 PM)heavy Wrote:  I feel TheWastelander's response applies to all of "the guy should improve his game" posts.

(12-22-2014 03:29 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

When groups of girls get together and hamsterize they don't go "we should report this guy to the police" with normal dudes. With alpha guys they go, "he's attractive, handsome, a real "catch." With Omegas they make fun of him and call him a loser and other rude jokes. With your average betas they go "he's nice but he's not my type." It's only under extreme circumstances - mostly likely someone overly aggressive, perhaps violent, perhaps just a downright asshole - that they are going to say "we should report this guy for sexual assault." Then the hamsterization begins and they make a mountain out of a molehill.

I am not NOT blaming the feminists. I absolutely think it's their fault. I also think its the fault of the college and the state to pandering to the bullshit feminism. But I don't think that the guy is not without error either. And I think it goes to show what can happen with bad game these days.

You are contradicting yourself completely.

For starters then this makes me "overly aggressive, perhaps violent, perhaps just a downright asshole". So thanks for that compliment.

I think you are more of a troll than Seamus, or just deluded and completely out of touch with reality. I implore you to take a break from the forum, go out into the world, and come back only after you have seen the light.

You guys are supposed to be "red pill"?

Post: #40

Columbia. The American bastion of the original Social Marxists. Surprised?

The mattress itself is evidence she wasn't raped. 50 lb.? I'm willing to lay Vegas stakes that 25 lb. of that mattress was consensual, crystallized tingle juice.

Post: #41

Ok, way too many posts to answer point by point now. Clearly I'm in the minority here, so this will be my last post in this thread.

First off, a lot of guys are arguing purely from emotion here, which is never a good look.

(12-22-2014 02:54 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  Seamus, you would be a terrible friend to have I think.

(12-22-2014 02:54 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  He was likely suicidal during this intense bullying. I'm sure at one point he was forced by the bullying, and by people like you, into BELIEVING that he had assaulted these girls. He has not.

Or Lizard of Oz, who uses "outrageous" and "evil" 10x in one post while claiming rape never happens, and has also called me a troll twice for disagreeing with him.

And why all this emotion and these ad hominem attacks? Because I made one basic (and I thought uncontroversial) proposition:

(12-22-2014 12:31 PM)Seamus Wrote:  If as a (non-celebrity) man three different women are accusing you of something, at the very least you need to seriously re-tool your way of doing things.

It has nothing to do with sexual assault. Hell, if three people accused a guy of picking pockets I'd be equally suspicious. What's more likely, that he's a thief, or that three crazy people have decided to set out and ruin his life?

And again, I think the fact that this guy's life is ruined is terrible. I said so in my very first post. But just like the feminists screwed up by hitching their wagon to Jackie, we should be careful about automatically believing a guy who has managed to piss off three girls to the point they set out to ruin his life.

I think guys here are missing that there's a difference between attacking the "rape culture" hysteria and categorically believing every accused guy is automatically innocent.

If you can't at least admit the possibility that a guy accused of sexual assault thrice over might be guilty, then you've drawn a line in the sand 99% of people won't get behind.

Post: #42

How can you make a rape to pick pocket analogy? Do you know that when the UVA scandal came out, a feminist chick got huge coverage for writing tweets about comparing "victims" of rape and people who had lost their wallet?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...sault.html

This shit was plastered all over social media. You really don't see how these analogies make no sense?

If I picked your wallet, there would be direct evidence in the form of a stolen wallet. And even if I were accused of being a pickpocket...it wouldn't be that big of a deal. I would be called a clepto at worst. With these false "rapes", there is no evidence, and the implications of a simple accusation are FAR worse.

In one case a man goes into a spiral of depression and social rejection. In the other...people just think he's a bit of a dick.

Of all the cases how do you choose this one, where the guy is CLEARED in a Kangaroo court as the one to make these points?

You MIGHT be a feminist troll.

Post: #43

(12-22-2014 04:17 PM)Seamus Wrote:  If you can't at least admit the possibility that a guy accused of sexual assault thrice over might be guilty, then you've drawn a line in the sand 99% of people won't get behind.

Not to be discourteous, but this is a completely retarded statement. I gave a laundry list above of the reasons for not believing these accusations. You are arguing against a strawman, acting like A, B and C accused X of rape and everyone here said "no, rape charges are always false." There is a mountain of evidence in favor of the accused, no evidence in favor of the accusers, and the charges took place in an environment known to be favorable to false charges.

Post: #44

Seamus is misstating things intentionally now on his last post in the thread.

No one here is arguing from a place of emotion except perhaps you.

Lizard is driving home these points because it's necessary not because he's emotional. That's ridiculous.

Post: #45

(12-22-2014 04:17 PM)Seamus Wrote:  Ok, way too many posts to answer point by point now. Clearly I'm in the minority here, so this will be my last post in this thread.

First off, a lot of guys are arguing purely from emotion here, which is never a good look.

(12-22-2014 02:54 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  Seamus, you would be a terrible friend to have I think.

(12-22-2014 02:54 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  He was likely suicidal during this intense bullying. I'm sure at one point he was forced by the bullying, and by people like you, into BELIEVING that he had assaulted these girls. He has not.

Or Lizard of Oz, who uses "outrageous" and "evil" 10x in one post while claiming rape never happens, and has also called me a troll twice for disagreeing with him.

And why all this emotion and these ad hominem attacks? Because I made one basic (and I thought uncontroversial) proposition:

(12-22-2014 12:31 PM)Seamus Wrote:  If as a (non-celebrity) man three different women are accusing you of something, at the very least you need to seriously re-tool your way of doing things.

It has nothing to do with sexual assault. Hell, if three people accused a guy of picking pockets I'd be equally suspicious. What's more likely, that he's a thief, or that three crazy people have decided to set out and ruin his life?

And again, I think the fact that this guy's life is ruined is terrible. I said so in my very first post. But just like the feminists screwed up by hitching their wagon to Jackie, we should be careful about automatically believing a guy who has managed to piss off three girls to the point they set out to ruin his life.

I think guys here are missing that there's a difference between attacking the "rape culture" hysteria and categorically believing every accused guy is automatically innocent.

If you can't at least admit the possibility that a guy accused of sexual assault thrice over might be guilty, then you've drawn a line in the sand 99% of people won't get behind.

I hope you keep responding. I think it's important to have contrary points of view even if they're in the minority.

If the accusations had come from three women who didn't know each other then you might have a point. But they came from three women who knew each other and all three women made the accusations at the same time. Then two of the three women stopped participating in the process - including the one who's accusation was initially successful.

When a group of women know each other all you have to do is piss off one woman and you can incur the wrath of the whole group. I know because it's happened to me. A few years ago I hung out with a group that was mostly women. One night at a club one of the women came onto me pretty hard while we were dancing - she started grabbing my ass and trying to kiss me. I wasn't interested so I politely declined and thought nothing else of it. The next day she came up to me and said that the group had a problem with my behavior and that I was making the other girls feel uncomfortable. The rest of the girls backed her up - including one I'd known for over 10 years and had helped out when she was very ill - and I was forced out.

Although I'm clearly seeing events through the lens of my own experience my guess is he pissed of mattress girl and she got her friends to go along with her plan for retribution.

Post: #46

I smell a pink-pilled or 2 on this board...

Post: #47

God, what a nightmare for that poor guy.

Whenever I read an article like that I wonder what I'd do in the same position - or what that guy should do.

If I were him I'd lawyer up and come after her hard. Doesn't even matter if you win the case. Sue her, the university, her teachers - the point is to let them know you can't be bullied. It doesn't matter if you win, they'll back off. It won't escalate to the point where you can't even go to your own graduation.

There is an activists strategy known as "lawfare" - where you basically hit someone with as many suits as possible to drain there energy, money, and time. I'll bet he could get some activist lawyers who'd help him do this. He might not have raped her - but his lawyers should.

Post: #48

(12-22-2014 04:58 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  God, what a nightmare for that poor guy.

Whenever I read an article like that I wonder what I'd do in the same position - or what that guy should do.

If I were him I'd lawyer up and come after her hard. Doesn't even matter if you win the case. Sue her, the university, her teachers - the point is to let them know you can't be bullied. It doesn't matter if you win, they'll back off. It won't escalate to the point where you can't even go to your own graduation.

There is an activists strategy known as "lawfare" - where you basically hit someone with as many suits as possible to drain there energy, money, and time. I'll bet he could get some activist lawyers who'd help him do this. He might not have raped her - but his lawyers should.

One of the really shitty parts about this is he's a German guy far away from home and going through all this mess. I doubt he has many friends here to support or encourage him.

Post: #49

I don't think Seamus or monster are trolling, I actually think there's a point to what they're saying about him maybe not having the best game (who does?), but I'll freely admit, if that was your takeaway after reading the story, I question your mental faculties.

There's a huge, glaring story here about a dudes life being ripped apart by lies.

Guy being falsely accused of rape and having his life torn apart, all endorsed by his college
and
Maybe he didn't have the best game ever

And you guys are focusing on the latter.

It's not whether this guy had perfect game or not, it's just that in light of everything else, "how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape" is appalling.

That's why I thought TheWastelander's response was so appropriate.

(12-22-2014 04:17 PM)Seamus Wrote:  If you can't at least admit the possibility that a guy accused of sexual assault thrice over might be guilty, then you've drawn a line in the sand 99% of people won't get behind.

I second what Lemmo said. A retarded comment. This shit happens. Read history man. Women are deceptive. Beautiful, elegant, deceptive creatures. They have to be deceptive. Love them, but don't believe them.

In fact, their weakness is their inability to form really solid bonds between one another to propogate lies, but with the current state of our society, as noted in this specific example, the women didn't really have to form bonds and propogate the lie. They simply all reported "incidences" and went on with their lives, which was enough to deemed the kid guilty socially. Get these chics together and grill em threatening lawsuits or jail-time, and they'll squeel like a stuck pig.

Of course that won't happen, but until it does, it sucks for women who actually are raped, because we won't believe you.

Post: #50

There is some value in questioning if the guy could have done anything differently and possibly avoided the charges.

Yes - society is fucked when it comes to unsubstantiated rape allegations against dudes. We can and should talk about ways to address that problem. On the other hand until sanity has returned there is a very real threat of getting caught up in this kind of bullshit and developing some social savvy could be a literal life saver.

Unfortunately in this particular case I'm not sure there's much we can learn from the details at hand. Perhaps if we saw the texts between him and mattress girl we'd have a better idea about why she was upset and what her state of mind was when she made the accusations but without any other information we're all just speculating.