Post: #151

I think the best way forward would be to destroy the lives of these feminists who are creating these situations with their robotic programming of our young

Post: #152

(12-10-2014 08:28 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I am sure the Democrats will try to find a way to shut this down. Luckily they have little to 0 power for the next 2 years. So you are right, the real thing to do right now is for the manosphere to press and spread the word for the next 2 years.

But then we will have the GOP who will look for a new country to invade and plunge us even further into the hole financially. The drum is already beating to go back to Iraq after all of the trillions wasted there; Halliburton stock must of went down. I support the GOP more on a local level because I do believe that is where voters can actually make a difference and the divorce laws are more favorable to men than women in Red States, but as for Washington the political parties are like choosing between cancer and MS.

Post: #153

Great posts from the older guys (40+) on the forum. I am 28 and relatively new to the manosphere though my notch count is respectable. I look around and see lots of my friends marching down the path of marriage and in my head I am thinking about which ones I know will get divorced and which ones will be successful for the long haul. Kind of a cynical way to look at things but once you have become red pill aware, you can just tell how things are going to work out for your friends (maybe I am wrong though). I am relatively young looking for my age, I am hitting the gym weekly, reading more, traveling, working on inner game, etc, trying to make myself a better man overall. The opportunity to settle down has presented itself to me but I just dont think I am able/willing/ready to do it. I can sense lots of pressure from my friends to settle down. They know I am kind of a player (at least compared to them) and I can tell they judge me for it.

If this were 50+ years ago, I think a traditional lifestyle would've been my path but it just seems like that way of living here in the US (with an American woman) is very difficult to find. I bring all of this up because this is part of the "sexodus" of men checking out of marriage and children. I think Rollo is right is that there are no lonely bachelors, especially if you have been around the manosphere long enough, you are confident in yourself, your mission, and what you are doing. I think the sad part is that lots of women in their 30s would really like to find their ideal man but its becoming too late for them. I can't imagine that there are no lonely bachelorettes. To be a woman over 30 and never had kids or been married seems like it would be pretty sad. I think in the grand scheme of things that women need men more than men need women and this "sexodus" will eventually show that over time. Feminism is the tail that wags the dog. While your average American woman is entitled and a bit crazy, they are not as crazy as feminists. I think over time, more and more women will reject feminism.

Maybe I am being optimistic.

Post: #154

(12-10-2014 09:31 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:28 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I am sure the Democrats will try to find a way to shut this down. Luckily they have little to 0 power for the next 2 years. So you are right, the real thing to do right now is for the manosphere to press and spread the word for the next 2 years.

But then we will have the GOP who will look for a new country to invade and plunge us even further into the hole financially. The drum is already beating to go back to Iraq after all of the trillions wasted there; Halliburton stock must of went down. I support the GOP more on a local level because I do believe that is where voters can actually make a difference and the divorce laws are more favorable to men than women in Red States, but as for Washington the political parties are like choosing between cancer and MS.

Both parties look for new countries to plunge into. While our economy was melting down between 2008 and 2012, we stuck our nose into Egypt and Libya for no reason at all, wasted billions of dollars, and the end result were quasi-terrorist states were created. All the while the Democrats patted themselves on the back and called this "progress" with Hillary leading the charge on this self bragging.

Post: #155

(12-10-2014 05:39 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Maybe I'm more aware of my own mortality, and recognise that women can only offer so much, especially when I can't even remember a lot of the girls I've banged. (Some girls I knew in my youth were reminiscing on Facebook about sex with me the other week, and if you'd asked me point blank if I've ever slept with them, I would have said no. I had to tactfully talk about it in general abstracts with them, hoping they wouldn't notice).

If I never banged again after tonight, hell, I've had a good run. It wouldn't be the end of the world. Always have a mission.

I loved your post, Bosch, and would like to comment on it from a completely different perspective.

I'm 38, have only slept with four women, have only been in love twice, and deeply feel like my life has been a waste up to this point. I was constantly bullied in school, while my parents did nothing to either protect me or pry into how bad it was. So my self-worth and self-confidence became so eroded that the only thing I could think to do is drift idly by, making enough money to survive (but not thrive) and never, ever hitting on women.

Most of my self-work has been through Rollo Tomassi's writings and Stefan Molyneux's podcasts on parenting. And the two biggest improvements I feel are: (1) that I'm neither crazy nor wrong, and (2) that I am worthy as a person.

As my self-worth increases, I find myself eager to try new things, and eager to accept whatever success or failures come my way. I don't think anyone deserves to succeed, but everyone deserves to fucking try! And I don't think anyone really deserves to be happy, but the unhappiest ones are those who never try to be happy.

Ultimately, I learned that being a loser is forgivable. You can waste as much of your life, for as long as you want. But at any moment, you can forgive yourself for doing so, and open up to the opportunities that have always surrounded you.

The only thing that's not forgivable is staying a loser, of being 100% determined to never self-improve, to never experiment with the two simple steps of, "accepting that you were wrong about this one little thing" and then "fixing it". And the punishment for staying a loser is self-imposed unhappiness. Sure, every loser can immediately stop being unhappy by learning to own their mistakes - but they've become so ego-invested in their ideology that they'd rather die a miserable death after living a miserable life than admit they were wrong!

I dunno the degree to which any of the younger guys feel like they're losers. But if you do, please realize that I don't have the power to forgive you for being a loser. Only you have that power. I also don't have the power to convince you to forgive yourself, because only you have that power, too.

I can only say that I think they call it "Game" and "Inner Game" because it's so much fucking fun. Fun to invest so much time and energy into a business that is fully yours. Fun-as-hell to look at a chick to see whether I'm still framing it all in terms of of neediness and lack-of-self-worth. Fun-as-hell to cry over the past, and just-as-fun to realize that no more tears need to be shed.

Bosch, I don't know whether you and I will ever meet. But I hope we meet in 15-year's time, and, by then, I'll have accomplished so much in terms of my own life and inner game that few people will differentiate between us. I am glad that the elder members of this forum have succeeded so much, because they showed what is/was possible for all of us. Now my mission in life is to catch up with you all, probably not in terms of notch count, but definitely in terms of physical health and personal satisfaction.

Everyone else is similarly invited.

Post: #156

(12-10-2014 12:39 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  The only thing that's not forgivable is staying a loser, of being 100% determined to never self-improve, to never experiment with the two simple steps of, "accepting that you were wrong about this one little thing" and then "fixing it". And the punishment for staying a loser is self-imposed unhappiness. Sure, every loser can immediately stop being unhappy by learning to own their mistakes - but they've become so ego-invested in their ideology that they'd rather die a miserable death after living a miserable life than admit they were wrong!

Congratulations, mate. You already possess more wisdom than 95% of the population. It's never too late: my dad's wife is younger than my sister.

Quote:Bosch, I don't know whether you and I will ever meet. But I hope we meet in 15-year's time, and, by then, I'll have accomplished so much in terms of my own life and inner game that few people will differentiate between us.

Trust me on this: you'll reach a stage where you don't judge yourself on other people's estimation of you, because you recognise you're a wiser, more reliable critic of your behaviour than everyone else. Trust in your own self-perception with a clear understanding of your own faults and mental excuses, and work for what add richness to your life. For some guys that might be money, other guys might want fame, some guys might want spiritual understanding or quiet isolation.

I'm brushing up against wider fame at the moment, and can see it will hold nothing of value for me. What personally matters to me is the quality of my work and the quality of my life.

Hell, I'm thinking lately I'd love to work on a fishing boat. Early rising, long hours, physical work, out of an office. Sounds like heaven.

Post: #157

Some of us are pushed to live by our selves.

I have a 4 months old daughter (Proven by a paternity DNA test) and I fuck the mother the 3 times a week I'm there to visit my daughter.
The mother has a son, and then my daughter to take care of. Let me put this straight: I want to live with my daughter, and be there for her everyday. I am 21 years old and the mother of my child is 32. She was pregnant after 1 months of me knowing her. The thing is: she is thin and beautiful and takes care of herself and not many girls my age even wants to be in a relationship with me. I have had 1 girlfriend when I was 14-15, and ever since I have had sex with 80 women. (80 precisely). Some of the 80 women were beautiful, some were younger, some were older, but none of them ever needed me.

Not even now a woman past her prime, living of social welfare needs me, even though she has 2 children where one of them is mine. Here in socialist welfare state Denmark, she as a single mother with no job has way more money available than me, who works 35-42 hours a week. She lives in a 3 room apartment in the fucking center of our town, in a really nice apartment. She gets free kindergarten and daycare for 2 children because she is a single mom, she gets extra government child checks, she has 2 men to pay her child support, she gets government rent support money. The government pays for everything for her. If i were to move in, she would lose a lot of money. And she doesn't care if her child doesn't live with her father, because her own father wasn't around a lot, and she didn't experience a nuclear family like I did.
She doesn't appreciate me at all.

I live with my parents saving for deposit money for a 2 room apartment. I am forced to live alone. I have had crazy success with taking women to bed, yet no one seems to want to be in a relationship with me.

The other reason why I think I am "forced" to live alone, being a single dad, is that a lot of women are fucking unbearable to live with.

Talking with my daughter's mother is like a walking on fucking egg shells. She get's angry all the fucking time. I have sex with her, she never say no to having sex with me, but everything other than that, she is so unbearable to just talk to (I am forced to visit my daughter in her apartment, as she is only 4 months old, born 2 months premature, and I have only just gotten a paper to sign that I am the official father, as I waited for the paternity test. (had 1 DNA test at birth that i bought myself, and then one government DNA test) and even now that I have the rights to see my daughter, then I would only see my daughter 3 hours a week if I were to go to the government asking to see my daughter. Normal practice here is that fathers get 1 hour, three times a week until the child is a year old. So now i'm just happy that I see my daughter a lot more than that, and that I can fuck the mother who still turns me on after a year.
But her temperament and personality is just so fucking stupid.
If I ask any questions or suggest anything we will be fighting. So I just shut up most of the time and fuck her and enjoy the time with my daughter.

And a lot of guys that I know who have or have had girlfriends tell me the same story. -The girls they are with are getting angry all the time, and complain about everything.
My little brother's girlfriend is very beautiful but she is angry all the fucking time. everything gets her angry it seems.

A very good friend of mine broke up with a nice looking girl 3 years ago and haven't had sex ever since. he told me she was just unbearable to be with, she was complaining about everything. He now lives with a guy as a roommate and have traveled 4 months in east Asia. Some how, he is forced to either live in involuntary celibacy and keep masturbating and playing video games, or listen to me and learn game (I had him almost fuck a girl a month ago, but only the tip of the penis went in on the girl (I had already fucked her))

A lot of my friends, who are taking an education, who are tall, good looking, muscular.. They NEVER get laid.
But then again, even I whose penis have been inside 80 vaginas am not happy. Even swimming in pussy never made me happy, because none of them ever seemed to like me, love me or need me. In my mind, I think I was always just used for fun and sex. I am really losing hope on finding a normal attractive girlfriend who is not hysteric.. It seems that I cannot get a girlfriend, so I am forced to live alone with my daughter with me some of the time (when she is old enough) and when she is not with me I will probably just go out and rack up notches, jerk off and play video games. And then of course, I can work maybe 20-25 hours a week in the nursing home where I work with retarded people, and live on a minimal budget, not paying to much in taxes..

I don't even think I will have an education.. seems pointless to go to nursing school right now.. but let's see.

Post: #158

(12-11-2014 11:22 AM)makaveli Wrote:  ..
A lot of my friends, who are taking an education, who are tall, good looking, muscular.. They NEVER get laid.
But then again, even I whose penis have been inside 80 vaginas am not happy. Even swimming in pussy never made me happy, because none of them ever seemed to like me, love me or need me. In my mind, I think I was always just used for fun and sex. I am really losing hope on finding a normal attractive girlfriend who is not hysteric.. It seems that I cannot get a girlfriend, so I am forced to live alone with my daughter with me some of the time (when she is old enough) and when she is not with me I will probably just go out and rack up notches, jerk off and play video games. And then of course, I can work maybe 20-25 hours a week in the nursing home where I work with retarded people, and live on a minimal budget, not paying to much in taxes..

I don't even think I will have an education.. seems pointless to go to nursing school right now.. but let's see.

Jeez - Denmark is tough. Had met just recently 2 Danish girls - actually they were both from Norway and Netherlands, but grew up in Denmark, so that made them Danish. They had combat boots on, half-shaved heads and were riding the cock-carousel hard.

This is what the feminist socialist nonsense will lead to - almost Brave New World - the mothers take care of their children and get all they need from the state and some Alpha who fucks them. But somehow they are not happy.

The state will likely take education of the kids ever more away from the mothers, but what the bitches will be missing is SOMA to be happy, because that kind of empty life does not make them happy - and they don't know it feeling all so powerful and mighty.

And now you are tied to one of them at 21 - my condolences. Best to do is to become more successful and move abroad. With money you can visit your daughter often enough. She will likely be indoctrinated by her mom & the system too much, but who knows - you might have a small shot at saving her mind - as tiny a chance as it is.

Post: #159

(12-08-2014 11:45 AM)Veloce Wrote:  in the U.S. you've got good looking, athletic, successful guys fighting for that same 7.

If a man is "good looking + athletic + financially secure" and he is "fighting" for 7s..

That man:

A) Has below average game skill

B) Does not know his own value

C) Both

(Or, he is in a terrible location)

Good looking, athletic, successful men are the most desired men on the planet. They should be fighting for 9s, not 7s.

Show me a good looking, athletic, successful man who struggles with 7s and I will show you a man who needs to work on his game.

Good looking, athletic, successful men should be dominating!

(12-11-2014 11:22 AM)makaveli Wrote:  Even swimming in pussy never made me happy,

Great point!

I am currently getting the best pussy of my life.

18-22 year old 7s, 7.5s, 8s and maybe even the occasional 8.5.

I am only slightly happier than I was a few years ago when I struggled to get 6s.

Game is like speaking a language, playing an instrument, or playing a sport.

It's a nice skill to have but it doesn't necessarily equal more happiness.

What makes me happy is the fact that I had a problem and I fixed the problem.

Sex itself does not me me any happier, in the long term.

There is so much more to life than sex and girls.

The deepest happiness comes from gaming ourselves.

Post: #160

This is relevant:

There's a younger guy from my gym I'd see sometimes up at the Music Conservatorium where we'd both be doing vocal training. He was in a stage production with me a while back and told me it was a good laugh and he wanted to do more.

Back in May, I was trying to offload an old electronic drum kit, needing the space, and he was interested because he'd always dreamed about being a drummer. He came over to try it out, I showed him some basic concepts, and an hour later he was drumming, and the thrill on his face was evident.

I said he could just take it as I didn't want any money for it. He said he had to 'run it by his girlfriend' first. I said "She shouldn't have a problem. You can use headphones so it doesn't make much noise, and it folds up into the size of a dining chair. Just take the damn thing."

He said "No, I'd better check."

Seven months later, the drum kit is still in my shed.

I hadn't seen him for a while, so asked him what had happened. He said his girlfriend had complained about his hobbies and weren't spending much time together, so she wanted him to give some of them up, so he gave up model rockets, acting and singing.

I said: "Big mistake. Girls want your attention solely focused on them. No matter what you give up it will never be enough for her."

He brushed me off. "No, I could see her point. I wasn't home much. So, I said I'll give everything else up but the gym, but I'm keeping that. I told her I will never give that up and she just had to accept it."

My response: "Compromise won't work. They're attracted to you to start with because you are doing so much and have so many interests that aren't them. They try their hardest to take all of that away so you're their sole interest, then will complain that you're 'boring' and that 'you never do anything'."

He just laughed and said I was being 'sexist'.

I said "You'll know she's trying to take it from you when you hear 'But you're nice the size you are'."

Anyway, I ran into him two days ago, and he was looking pissed off. I asked him what was wrong and he said "You were right. I had a huge fight with [gf] last night. She was angry that I went to the gym last night, because she wanted to go Christmas shopping. She says I'm spending too much time there. I was home only 30 minutes later than I would have been if I hadn't gone, but that wasn't enough."

I just said "There you go. Whatever you sacrifice is never enough."

He continued. "She said exactly what you said ages back. 'You're nice the size you are.' Normally I wouldn't care, but this is really festering for some reason. It's always about what she expects from me and what I should being doing for her. She's never once asked what she can do for me."

I told him to hold his ground, tell her what's what, and it'll blow over with some makeup sex.

I rang him yesterday to check up on him, and he was leaving work before lunch. "We had a huge argument and went to bed pissed. I didn't even want to fuck her. I need to catch up on the sleep."

Keep in mind, in classic aussie fashion, this guy is young, tanned and exceptionally-fit and his girlfriend is an overweight troll 3 SMV points below him. She wants him to be a hopeless blob like her. I might have slipped him the Red Pill.

Post: #161

(12-11-2014 12:44 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Jeez - Denmark is tough. Had met just recently 2 Danish girls - actually they were both from Norway and Netherlands, but grew up in Denmark, so that made them Danish. They had combat boots on, half-shaved heads and were riding the cock-carousel hard.

This is what the feminist socialist nonsense will lead to - almost Brave New World - the mothers take care of their children and get all they need from the state and some Alpha who fucks them. But somehow they are not happy.

The state will likely take education of the kids ever more away from the mothers, but what the bitches will be missing is SOMA to be happy, because that kind of empty life does not make them happy - and they don't know it feeling all so powerful and mighty.

And now you are tied to one of them at 21 - my condolences. Best to do is to become more successful and move abroad. With money you can visit your daughter often enough. She will likely be indoctrinated by her mom & the system too much, but who knows - you might have a small shot at saving her mind - as tiny a chance as it is.

Well it might be possible for my daughter to at least see what a normal functioning family looks like in my parent's marriage.
I'm gonna look for some red pill articles on how to raise children and teach them the truth. I'll be happy to get some advice on how to feed your children the red pill if somebody has some knowledge in that field. The first book I bought to her was "On the origin of species" by Charles Darwin. And then I will fill it with notes and give the book to her when she is ready.

Honestly I'm not scared about the mother indoctrinating her- That woman does not have great verbal abilities. She rarely speaks and she is more the touching/sensing kind of person. What I'm really afraid of is kindergarten, school, high school and universities. Those are feminist/socialist indoctrination institutions. I will always try and make my daughter and any future children question everything and always seek the truth though, and I believe I have some good resources in my brain to tell her the truth.

(12-11-2014 03:41 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:22 AM)makaveli Wrote:  Even swimming in pussy never made me happy,

Great point!

I am currently getting the best pussy of my life.

18-22 year old 7s, 7.5s, 8s and maybe even the occasional 8.5.

I am only slightly happier than I was a few years ago when I struggled to get 6s.

Game is like speaking a language, playing an instrument, or playing a sport.

It's a nice skill to have but it doesn't necessarily equal more happiness.

What makes me happy is the fact that I had a problem and I fixed the problem.

Sex itself does not me me any happier, in the long term.

There is so much more to life than sex and girls.

The deepest happiness comes from gaming ourselves.

In the beginning, every time I had sex with a new woman it gave me an extreme kick, especially because I had put so much effort into it and I had had so many nights going home from bars, clubs and parties feeling extremely lonely and sometimes crying of loneliness and feeling rejected as person. So naturally, when I began to crack the code it made me really happy for a while. It was like a drug that wore of though.
Some times I swim in pussy and I feel proud being able to do it, like I would feel proud being good at a language or a sport, but it doesn't make me happy. And sometimes I find it hard to sell the idea of becoming a sick player getting new pussy all the time to my friends, because it is not necessarily something that brings happiness into their lives.(also most people really resist the red pill) But then again, if they cannot even get a girlfriend now my friends, then maybe becoming players is their only option other than lonely nights jerking of. one night stands at least appear to be a better option than celibacy.

I personally would have rather had a beautiful non-hysteric girlfriend than being a player, but I think I had to become that. But when my friends, some of who are tall, athletic and good looking, and with bright futures... When they cannot even get a decent girlfriend, what options does it leave them ? They either become bad boy alpha players or they keep jerking off. I myself am 5'8, My face looks all right, though I have two plastic teeth which are different in color. Sometimes I even dress really cool.. A lot of guys my age I know, and I swear they are tall and good looking, they get NOTHING. no pussy at all. They have no confidence, never approach, and have no clue what to do next in order to get the pussy

Some how, I see that the feminist/socialist realm forces some of us guys to become asshole players. For me, at some point it was either deep depression or get laid.. There was a time when I felt so lonely and rejected that I decided to do everything to get laid... So i did
and i figured it out.. I now have tattoos on both arms, a tattoo on my neck even, in a quest to become ever more extreme and hardcore.. Because i saw being extreme and hardcore gave me more pussy, and I saw extreme and hardcore guys getting beautiful girls. I even learned from the best. 2 of my very good friends are both natural players and they have personalities that are very dangerous and risk taking, , have 100+ notches each and they seem to have totally social freedom (they don't know each other) They are extreme, hardcore guys who go all the way. They gamble, do drugs, fuck girls, one of them was a drug dealer, hooligan and a burglar when he was younger.. these guys are fearless and I looked up to them because they fucking always had beautiful girls.

It is of course only schaumkommen (an appearance) when girls think that I am a bad boy. I am not a bad boy, I am really kind, sensitive and loving. I am not stupid, even though I tend to act stupid to some girls and make misspellings on purpose and so on. But of course, those chicks don't care much about my kind, sensitive and loving nature.. they would rather have me fucking them hard on the first night of meeting, and make me choke them and fuck them in the ass.. And after getting laid a lot, and have lost faith in the world, I have actually become a little bad . I fucked 4 girls from my work and they all know it. that makes me bad to them at least and ironically more attractive.. and also I have become very assertive, and also a little more fearless in confrontations with guys..

Do you get what I'm saying.. It's like I was forced to learn this language of game to at least get some "love" from females.. It was either that or loneliness. But of course it cannot make me happy. It's just like a drug.. Fucking girls with husbands or boyfriends can make me happy for a short moment, but in the end it just makes me much less likely to find a girl who I would trust as a girlfriend.

One girl i have recently fucked from work cheated on her boyfriend to have sex with me.. even if she was beautiful and sane enough, I just could never settle down with her if she left him.. I would never trust her.

Post: #162

(12-11-2014 03:41 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 11:45 AM)Veloce Wrote:  in the U.S. you've got good looking, athletic, successful guys fighting for that same 7.

If a man is "good looking + athletic + financially secure" and he is "fighting" for 7s..

That man:

A) Has below average game skill

B) Does not know his own value

C) Both

(Or, he is in a terrible location)

Good looking, athletic, successful men are the most desired men on the planet. They should be fighting for 9s, not 7s.

Show me a good looking, athletic, successful man who struggles with 7s and I will show you a man who needs to work on his game.

Good looking, athletic, successful men should be dominating!

Gio you're in a different situation.

It's taken you how long to get to where you are in game? Years? You have to consider that you are an anomaly.

When I say "fighting for that same 7" I'm talking about putting in work, and it was within the context of what I and other guys here have witnessed overseas. I stand by my comment: American men must work harder for decent pussy than their foreign counterparts, with a few exceptions.

You said it yourself: Good looking, athletic, financially secure men are the most desired men on the planet. You'd never know it in the U.S. though. What is valued in other countries is NOT valued in the U.S.

In the U.S.: Good looking, athletic, famous, aloof, dickheads are the most desired.

Post: #163

I think you'll find it boiling down to one thing. Women don't fear losing the majority of men.

Post: #164

^ I think it takes a lot of game to hold onto a U.S. 7 that isn't a party girl slut or an ex party girl slut if you are under an 8 in male looks.

Too much in my opinion, a near painful amount. That's why I am learning Spanish and looking to move away.

This is a tall, good looking, athletic, financially secure male in a great pussy city by U.S. standards feeling this way.

Post: #165

Veloce is right. Comparing my experiences in the Philippines to the USA, if I could make the same salary I do here but over in the Phils, I would expat in a heartbeat. It was a poosy paradise. It was literally no effort getting women that are 7s, 8s, 9s. They were gaming me. The quality was better. The quantity was greater. The women in the Phils have much more to offer i.e. they cook, they clean, they embrace traditional gender roles, they're feminine. Your average American woman is looking to chop off her hair, act manly, has no skills whatsoever, is fat. I wont be going MGTOW but I wont kid myself and say that these American women are anything to brag about.

Post: #166

(12-11-2014 05:55 PM)Veloce Wrote:  Gio you're in a different situation.

It's taken you how long to get to where you are in game? Years? You have to consider that you are an anomaly.

I have nothing but respect for Gio, I know he admits that he was struggling to get 6's a few years ago, but I think he also comes from a different framework than most average guys since he was a very popular athlete in high school and college that had tons of girls throwing themselves at him.

Post: #167

(12-11-2014 05:30 PM)makaveli Wrote:  ...

Some how, I see that the feminist/socialist realm forces some of us guys to become asshole players. For me, at some point it was either deep depression or get laid.. There was a time when I felt so lonely and rejected that I decided to do everything to get laid... So i did
and i figured it out.. I now have tattoos on both arms, a tattoo on my neck even, in a quest to become ever more extreme and hardcore.. Because i saw being extreme and hardcore gave me more pussy, and I saw extreme and hardcore guys getting beautiful girls. I even learned from the best. 2 of my very good friends are both natural players and they have personalities that are very dangerous and risk taking, , have 100+ notches each and they seem to have totally social freedom (they don't know each other) They are extreme, hardcore guys who go all the way. They gamble, do drugs, fuck girls, one of them was a drug dealer, hooligan and a burglar when he was younger.. these guys are fearless and I looked up to them because they fucking always had beautiful girls.

It is of course only schaumkommen (an appearance) when girls think that I am a bad boy. I am not a bad boy, I am really kind, sensitive and loving. I am not stupid, even though I tend to act stupid to some girls and make misspellings on purpose and so on. But of course, those chicks don't care much about my kind, sensitive and loving nature.. they would rather have me fucking them hard on the first night of meeting, and make me choke them and fuck them in the ass.. And after getting laid a lot, and have lost faith in the world, I have actually become a little bad . I fucked 4 girls from my work and they all know it. that makes me bad to them at least and ironically more attractive.. and also I have become very assertive, and also a little more fearless in confrontations with guys..
...

Sounds interesting. You are 21 and have moved towards the complete r-selected Bad Boy Dark Triad type.

It is interesting, because most men are k-selected Betas or Omegas before. You seemed to have jumped very fast to the Dark Triad facsimile.

In a way it is goog, because many PUAs try to emulate that - some of them even claiming that having tattoos and looking the type has nothing to do with it, while in my opinion it definitely does. Tattoos are shit on girls and often do work on girls as they convey the r-selected type more readily.

What you likely need to do now is to sort of position yourself more as the Bad Boy with a heart and tone down the r-selected vibe. Many black Players do that effectively - especially when they are muscular. They appear more hardcore by default and they do better becoming Hipsters, suited-up or wearing glasses in order to attract more high quality girls. The absolute archetype dream of most girls is a Bad Boy who is more or less tamed by her to be civilized and Husband-worthy. I guess this would be the bad motherfucker, who has tattoos sticking out of his Armani suit.

Also - you don't need to settle down with a Danish girl. Go travel around in Poland, get yourself a nice girl there and move to her to Denmark. If you keep up an Alpha frame from the beginning you have a good chance to be in a happy relationship with her. She will be satisfied with the higher living standard and will be much more sane than the average Danish girl.

Post: #168

The Bluepill reddit was discussing this article. Obviously a lot of moaning and gnashing of teeth was going on there, but a few comments on there stood out to me. Some posters were lamenting that they were seeing RL friends and acquaintances posting up the article and agreeing with it:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comm...s_all_day/

"Someone on my facebook feed posted this, then argued with me about its validity. :/"

"Came up on my feed as well via an acquaintance. I thought about saying something but 8-10 guys all piled on saying shit like 'truth' and making baseless, uninformed comments about feminism and I had to nope out of there so I wouldn't set my computer on fire. Good on you for getting your argue on though."

"A friend of mine shared it on Facebook to get opinions, because one of his professors posted it.
And it's not like a small school." "That's extremely depressing."

The tide is turning gentleman. Even non-RP men are waking up.

Post: #169

(12-11-2014 07:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  What you likely need to do now is to sort of position yourself more as the Bad Boy with a heart and tone down the r-selected vibe. Many black Players do that effectively - especially when they are muscular. They appear more hardcore by default and they do better becoming Hipsters, suited-up or wearing glasses in order to attract more high quality girls. The absolute archetype dream of most girls is a Bad Boy who is more or less tamed by her to be civilized and Husband-worthy. I guess this would be the bad motherfucker, who has tattoos sticking out of his Armani suit.

I think one of the points this article is trying to make is just how elaborate and obsessive this level of micro-calibration has become to make yourself more attractive to women. We all do it to some degree, but I think it's getting to a point where it has obviously become absurd and very few men are realistically going to be able to pull it off.

Post: #170

(12-10-2014 04:08 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  I've been thinking a lot recently about what's my end game and to be honest, it just seems there isn't a viable one out there. Once your SMV starts slipping after your late 30s, what do you do? Try and be a playa for life? Get married to some crazy American broad who could unleash the fury of the state on your ass the moment things go sour? Import a wife from SE Asia or the FSU from your travels and hope she doesn't get infected with feminism? Move overseas to these more traditional places (not really an option for most guys)? And what of having children? Some of these options are more appealing than others but none of them really stick out as being an awesome idea.

I guess you can be a playa but once you are in your forties or fifties, those 18-24 year old women are going to be scarce. You'll have to game women in their thirties who are about to hit the wall and looking to cash in on their SMV.

To RVF members: what's your plan? Have you thought about this yet?

I think about what direction to take literally every day. I'm still not entirely sure what to do for a number of reasons, but I'm trying to formulate a process for how to make the decision of which direction to take.

The first issue is that I am married and will soon have kids, so I need to think not only about what would be materially good for them, but the kind of place I want them to be/grow up in. The other issue that is complicating all of this is my ageing parents. My mother, who is 63, had a stroke a couple of years ago. She's mostly recovered, but she is not in good health generally. She's also a very bitter and unhappy person in many ways. Every time I see her now, she seems really, really old to me. To be honest, I don't see her living to 70. My father is 66. He also has some health problems, though he is generally okay. He is pretty happy with life, though he's not averse to ranting about how society is all going to shit (though that's not really a major factor in his happiness/well being). I also know that if my mother dies first that he will go to pieces.

A few years ago, I wouldn't have really thought too much about this stuff and just would have done my own thing. However, over the past few years I have also become much more reactionary/conservative/traditional, and I now feel some high level of responsibility for my parents. Earlier this year, my sister point blank told me that she would not look after them. That pissed me off a lot, partly because I think she's an ungrateful little bitch, but also because it put it all on me. So, with all of that in mind, I suspect that probably in ten years (or less), I'm going to have to make a very major decision to either move back to Australia so that I can look after/keep an eye on one of my parents (most likely my father), or pretty much abandon them to strangers in the geriatric care industry for most of each year. Yet I will also have my wife and children to think about.

If my parents weren't in the equation, I don't know I would ever move back to Australia. There are things I really like about Australia (and by extension, the West in general) that if we're being honest, simply don't exist (and probably never will) in the second or third world. Yet I have two big complaints about Australia. The first is the culture. I really don't want to raise children amongst it. There's a general level of toxicity there that is well documented at this forum. I also don't quite know where we'd fit into the society in the scheme of things. I actually don't like either hipsters or trashy idiots. Further to that, I'm not a Christian, so I couldn't just retreat to associating in that kind of community either. I am part of a tiny minority of right wing atheists who struggles to identify culturally with any stratum of society.

The second complaint is that I don't know that Australia (and by extension, the West) is very good value for money for many people. You mentioned that you would live in the Philippines in a heartbeat if you could earn the same amount as in the US. Actually, you wouldn't need to. What I am getting at is that the base cost of living in many Western nations is so high now that I don't think it's worth living there unless you're making huge amounts of money to begin with because you have to get over a certain hump in income just to pay for that base cost of living before you can start to partake of the good things of the West. There's no point just scraping by in the West, but there's also no point burning money unnecessarily either. I don't know what the base cost of living in Australia would be, but say it's $40,000/year (USD). I could live (with a family) off half of that in Taiwan quite easily and comfortably, and essentially pocket the $20,000 difference. It comes down to wondering whether having better restaurants, parks, live music, etc. is worth $20,000/year to me in Australia, or whether I could save and invest that, still buy those things here, or have that $20,000 to travel to lots of interesting places (within a four hour flight from here I could be in over a dozen countries, all of them with radically different cultures, but a four hour flight wouldn't get me out of Australia from my home state). We can play around with the numbers above, but I'm sure you get what I am saying. There's also tax (at all different levels) to consider. Basically, if I were to live in Australia, I think I'd want to make $100,000/year at least. I couldn't make that in my industry (education), nor would I want to because of the BS involved. Starting a business is a major pain in the arse also. I have two businesses in Taiwan and they'd be an absolute nightmare to run in Australia (and I don't think I'd make $100,000/year from them). I'd basically want to have passive income of at least $100,000/year to live in Australia, and I'm not close to that yet.

On the other hand, unless I have some sort of business that ties me to Taiwan, I don't see myself being here in five to ten years simply because I know I will never fit in here and because I just think the standard of living here is crap. There is something inherently broken about Chinese culture, and it's greatly exacerbated by the insane population density in most of Taiwan (and that is coming to much of Asia generally). I've been to enough large Asian cities -- whether hyper-modern or a complete shambles -- to know that their urban environments are inherently unhealthy, especially for raising children. Yet there's also a reason why rural Asia is backward: the people. I currently live in the countryside and it's full of knuckle heads. A friend of mine is in the process of buying and setting up a farm in the Philippines and it's even worse there. I've seen it all over Southeast Asia. I think it takes a very particular kind of Westerner to be able to successfully live in these places. It's all very well to say that Asian women are feminine and so on, but wait until you marry into their families, have local neighbours, colleagues, do business with them, etc. It's much more complicated than the average Westerner realises after a month or two in-country, and I think people can romanticise Asia and the non-West. Of course, there's also such stuff as the shoddy workmanship, terrible urban planning (even in smaller towns), and the pollution/litter/general environmental degradation. Much of that washes over me now and I'm largely over culture shock. Yet I still know that I will never fit in. I am Western. I grew up in a functional, highly developed culture full of smart people; the crux of the problem many of us are facing is that the West has become less functional, because few other places have become closer to how the West used to be. Whilst I won't be unhappy and won't have a bad standard of living here in Taiwan, that's not enough. I want to be happy and have a good standard of living. I want to live in a place that functions fairly well where it's beautiful and tranquil, where people don't think it's cool to drive like maniacs, cut everything down, dump whatever they want in the local river, burn a huge bonfire next to your house all day or let off a hundred firecrackers at 4am several days each year. There are lots of things I like about Taiwan also, but I know that the above (as a small set of examples) are things that will largely never change and will be unacceptable to me. To me, this is a place to be until I have made enough money to be elsewhere (including Australia), and that's going to take about five to ten years more, which would probably coincide with the issue with my parents.

I have thought about moving elsewhere, with Chile being high on my list (obviously, I'd have to investigate it first). Yet I know that there's no place in the world that would be a Utopia, and so there would be tradeoffs everywhere. We live in a less than perfect world. Also, because of my personal circumstances, I'm not entirely sure that I would want to go through the whole process of uprooting my family and trying to adapt to a new country only to then be faced with the dilemma regarding my parents and then uprooting my family again. Ultimately, maybe Australia will be the best (or most familiar in terms of those tradeoffs) option for me, and maybe I should just think of that as an inevitability in ten years, and so plan for it now. If I did move back to Australia, I'd live in the countryside and try to insulate my wife and children as far as possible from the pernicious cultural influences there. Maybe you need to do a similar thing within the US?

Anyway, I'm writing a lot about myself. What I would suggest to you is to first really decide if you think you ever want to have children. That's a major fork in the road. To be honest, if you're ever going to go with having children, I really don't think that marrying an American woman is the way to go. Sure, there are exceptions, but that's a lottery with low odds. As such, you'd be looking at either importing a woman or expatriating. In either case, I'd develop a list of what I wanted in a woman (and possibly a country). I'd then try to come up with a list of perhaps a dozen countries that met those criteria. Then, I'd learn as much as I could about those places and their cultures, and maybe cull the list by half. Then, I'd go to those places and try to spend at least a couple of months in each to get a much better feel for the people and the places themselves, during which time I'd be highly critical (in the sense of appraising, not being negative). I'd then cull the list again to maybe no more than three places. Then, I'd plan at least one more trip to each, probably for even longer that time.

Obviously, doing all of the above would be very difficult whilst also having a normal job, but I think it would be a mistake to try to take shortcuts. Going somewhere for a couple of weeks and either finding a wife or deciding to move there would be a big risk because you wouldn't get a good enough picture. Unless you have independent or passive income, you'd have to accept the trade off of your career taking a hit whilst you did that. I tend to think though that unless you have a really fulfilling career or are making huge amounts of money, it's really not worth placing a huge emphasis upon having a career tied to your place of origin. I think that just ties people into the system so that they'll never escape.

Now, some general thoughts on this thread.

I think that those in the elite in the West are really thinking short term. Firstly, I don't believe that there will be an amazing technological solution to their problems. They're not going to have robots to do all of their work. They're also not going to be able to cull the population by 90%, or even a smaller, but significant proportion, without severe revolt or unintentionally unleashing a pandemic upon themselves, or at least becoming a really old society. The US couldn't maintain a huge number of very large cities with only 30 million people, and it certainly couldn't retain any kind of cultural hegemony on a world scale. Besides which, as we will see in a moment, the populations of the US and other Western nations are a drop in the bucket of where we are going to end up. Finally, I don't think mass immigration is going to solve the problems of the elite. In fact, I think that will only make things worse. If Western nations import masses of people from the third world, then those nations will come to resemble the third world. Yet what is the third world if not massively unstable, a place where the elite live high on the hog for maybe half a century (if they're lucky), before hanging from street poles or being sent to the gulag after a populist revolution? Some of the elite manage to escape that (though in so doing, they rarely remain political elite, even if they manage to hold onto some economic wealth), but large numbers of them do not. It seems to me that one way or another, the elite will end up with some form of restive population, be it indigenous or imported.

The other really big wildcard few people seem to be considering is world demographic projections:



The first thing to note there is that those countries that are currently developed are going to be a tiny drop in the bucket of the world's population. I'm not so sure they will retain very much of their geopolitical, cultural or even economic power. It's hard to see how the problems of middle class white feminists are going to remain the world's problems for much longer. This is especially true when we note where the changes in population will come from. Africa is likely going to have at least four billion people. That alone is going to be a massive game changer. The previous predictions of a slowdown in population growth were wildly optimistic. I don't even think the West could simply isolate those people. How is Africa going to support at least four billion people? How are those people either not going to consume massive amounts of resources (at the expense of the West, as is already beginning to happen) or else flood into the West (as they are already doing)? I just don't think the West is going to be able to sustain all of this feminist BS because the demographics are going to shred the available prosperity levels in the West. How is the price of oil, iron ore, wheat, timber or anything else not going to sky rocket? How is it going to be possible to continue to fund women's studies departments or women in make work careers, even if people with vastly more traditional cultures don't overwhelm the West?

Post: #171

The two part story made it to Infowars.
On Infowars

It's a pretty large alternative news website. More exposure.

Post: #172

(12-12-2014 01:21 AM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  I've seen it all over Southeast Asia. I think it takes a very particular kind of Westerner to be able to successfully live in these places. It's all very well to say that Asian women are feminine and so on, but wait until you marry into their families, have local neighbours, colleagues, do business with them, etc. It's much more complicated than the average Westerner realises after a month or two in-country, and I think people can romanticise Asia and the non-West. Of course, there's also such stuff as the shoddy workmanship, terrible urban planning (even in smaller towns), and the pollution/litter/general environmental degradation. Much of that washes over me now and I'm largely over culture shock. Yet I still know that I will never fit in. I am Western. I grew up in a functional, highly developed culture full of smart people; the crux of the problem many of us are facing is that the West has become less functional, because few other places have become closer to how the West used to be. Whilst I won't be unhappy and won't have a bad standard of living here in Taiwan, that's not enough. I want to be happy and have a good standard of living. I want to live in a place that functions fairly well where it's beautiful and tranquil, where people don't think it's cool to drive like maniacs, cut everything down, dump whatever they want in the local river, burn a huge bonfire next to your house all day or let off a hundred firecrackers at 4am several days each year. There are lots of things I like about Taiwan also, but I know that the above (as a small set of examples) are things that will largely never change and will be unacceptable to me. To me, this is a place to be until I have made enough money to be elsewhere (including Australia), and that's going to take about five to ten years more, which would probably coincide with the issue with my parents.

That is also what most people don't get - it's all fine and well to have attractive women around, but even the backwards culture in EE where I live makes it a tough pill to swallow long-term. The infrastructure, the general poverty of people, the lack of cultural options etc. - this all becomes of importance when you actually live her versus the West.

SEA or China is even more so in most regions. That's why my eyes are settled on Japan, which has a culture that so far resisted feminism and still offers first-world living standards.

By the way - those population numbers are about as fake as the Global Warming ones. There has not been any warming since 17 years and the world population has likely already peaking. While Africa remains relatively high, this will come down fast and hard soon.
The mainstream allegations regarding a 6% US unemployment rate, oil peak, rape culture or population bomb are myths. They will keep on blasting that propaganda crap until reality overcomes them.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology...oding.html

Quote:From 1960 to 2009, Mexico’s fertility rate tumbled from 7.3 live births per woman to 2.4, India’s dropped from six to 2.5, and Brazil’s fell from 6.15 to 1.9. Even in sub-Saharan Africa, where the average birthrate remains a relatively blistering 4.66, fertility is projected to fall below replacement level by the 2070s.

Personally when looking at or below current replacement rates of 2.4 in ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES - North & South America, Europe, Eurasia incl. India, most of SEA, Australia - the only hot pocket remaining is Africa and Africa is one hell of a country to do good census reports. I severely doubt we will reach 8 billion - but that is my personal opinion - it is even possible that 7 billion is a fake number, since those stats are achieved via UN mathematical projections and not via any real head-counts.





And only a quick reminder of how big earth truly is:

We could squeeze in the entire world population into Texas by giving each average family unit of 4 a plot of land and a house of 400m2/4300sqft. The rest of the world would be completely human-free.

That does not include infrastructure etc. and would not make any sense, but it shows you how few we really are on earth. There are limits of course like with everyone and I don't think we need more humans on Earth, but Soylent Green propaganda crap is not my concern.

Post: #173

Just took at look at this very good documentary put forward by a mainstream statistician:





The funny thing is that the educated even in the West overestimate the problem.

Also interesting is that we have already reach peak child population around 2000 and it has not increased so far. Even the UN estimates that it will remain 2 billion children in 100 years.

So why population growth? They estimate that the world population will grow older and thus live to expand up until 11 billion in 90 years.

Now - I for one disagree with their estimation. Yes - some countries will see greater longevity, but as some has observed in the last UK census:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23126814

Even the bloody BBC asks the question: Where are the missing 90 year olds? Answer: They are dead, because cancer has been exploding hundreds of percent in the last 30 years due to toxic food and other factors. Child cancer was unknown in the US in the 1950s.

Anyway - not to derail the thread here - I am not concerned about population growth. A steady ocean of 2 billion children and thus 100 million women who turn 18 each year is all a Player needs in our current times.

Post: #174

@ Zelcorpion

You might think 7 billion is nothing, that our numbers cannot possibly affect the planet but actually we are affecting the planet due to the finite resources and ability to reach them.

We produce and waste so much stuff that we're having problems dealing with it now. Urban centres are already overflowing with urban sprawl connecting the 'burbs to nearby cities. This isn't fiction like the mathematics of statistics where somebody dreams up an equation to justify their salary.

Go to any average city in any country and you will see too many people. All of them need food, water and space. They want stuff to fill their space and they need to shit and piss. Energy to produce their needs before even considering their wants is enormous. Now take that number and slap another billion mouths on it. A billion more desires.

Island countries like the UK are already having issues with population numbers. Ever been stuck for traffic on every road leading into a non-major city? I have.

And this is without taking into account potential social unrest and financial troubles as a result of an increase in population. Old and sick, young and vulnerable. All need looking after. They're not going to crawl under a rock and die any time soon, look at China.

We consume and do little else. The question is can we manage what we can obtain before we get ahead of our technological advances? What happens when populations become strained and violence flairs? Asia and Africa have enormous amounts of people who are always fighting.

Post: #175

I believe as a man, we are not built to be happy. You know the point when you'll be happy? When you're in your 60's, 70's or on your deathbed and you look back on your life, you'll see what you've done and you'll be happy with it or forever doomed to be sad.

Too much emphasis is placed on female companionship being the source of happiness. It's not, as men we are always striving to improve ourselves, to visit new locations, to capture new flags. We're not happy until we accomplish that? Then what? Another goal, another mission, another ambition, it's a never ending cycle and this bitches should be fucking happy we are built like this because that's what created civilisation and got us this far.