Post: #51

(12-05-2014 10:26 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  Most men can't cash out when it comes to women in their lives. This is only getting worse. Being average is no longer acceptable.

However, even though I haven't been around long I know this has always been the case. That is, if you want quality women.

I still think we are fortunate in our generation and as a species. By being a top 20% men (in otherwords, being better than 80% of the competition) you will succeed with women in general throughout your life.

Contrast that to the animal kingdom, where most animals are lucky to get even a small dose of sexual success in their life. I might be wrong, but most male mammals as I understand will not get a chance to reproduce. Look at lions, one male in charge of a pack of lionesses and her cubs. For another male to have access to those lionesses, they have to overcome the alpha lion and take his position. When the male cubs in that pack become adults, the alpha male actually forces them out so he can maintain dominance over that pack. The newly adult males now have to roam solo and fend for themselves, with the life purpose of taking on an alpha of a different pride and conquering his position so he has his own harem. Most males will fail and not have the chance to breed and pass on their genes.

The males that succeed will have all the females who will all breed to ensure survival of the species.

I saw a documentary the other day, forgot the name of the animal. Some type of deer-relative with horns. Anyways, males fight each other to establish position in a hierarchy of males. The goal is to be at the very top, as higher ranking males will have a better shot at taking on the alpha male. Who ever is the current alpha has all the females of that group ( I saw 4-5) following him at all times, mating with him and finding food to sustain the group. The other males are constantly fighting among themselves for position and can't ever breed with a female unless they take on the alpha and win his number one spot.

Food for thought?

If you are truly in the top 20% of men, and...

- The increasing litigation against male sexuality does not cast you into their net.
- The increasing risk of women getting pregnant by any means possible because they are no longer finding men they want to marry.

Then you could come out lucky in the short term.

The key there is short term. In the long term, civilization is built upon the beta male finding a little piece of happiness in their average wife and life. As long as they have that, they keep society going.

When women run after only the top men and shit all over the beta males, then society will collapse. Beta males will no longer do all the work needed to keep a society going when there is no reward for it. So in the long term even the top males will be hurt badly if society collapses.

Which goes back to my earlier post. How bad will it get before the wealthy elite knock this off, because it will come back to hurt them.

Post: #52

(12-05-2014 10:50 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  How bad will it get before the wealthy elite knock this off, because it will come back to hurt them.

Elites do not give a flying fuck about the long term either, only for the next quarter earnings.

Post: #53

(12-05-2014 05:09 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:29 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  In some unexpected way, some gay men are forming a vital part of masculinity's future phalanxes. There is an element to that culture that, we must admit, has performed an important function in the preservation of the masculine ethos down through the ages.

Perhaps homosexuality's sexual inversion enables its adherents to focus their strict attentions on the virtues, ethics, and behaviors that compose the male spirit.

Or perhaps, freed from the subliminal sexual need to seek approval from women, they are more willing to speak the truth and fight for it.

It may not be our choice of lifestyle, but credit must be given where due.

Ballsy comment. It might be true. I see things as a struggle for freedom. The feminine / feminist sensibility is more authoritarian and arbitrary. Men want freedom and justice.

Gay men are often the first to call bullshit on things. Glenn Greenwald, Gore Vidal, Oscar Wilde and Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com come to mind.

Sp5:

You've probably noticed, as I have over the years, that most gay clients seem to have very finely-tuned sensitivities. There is little of the false pride that prevents the average person from taking action to deal with problems.

Their level of social awareness and willingness to confront reality stands in stark contrast to much of the delusional posturing of the average straight man in legal trouble.

All in all, I would say that gay male clients are probably the best that an attorney can hope to have. I have to be honest.

They always have money, they respect authority, they never abuse or disrespect people who are helping them, and they tend to be more intelligent than the norm.

Post: #54

(12-05-2014 03:34 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I don't know what the hell men were thinking back in the early 1900's, but they destroyed the very countries they bleed to create by giving women the right to vote.

Don't be a simp, never vote leftist.

Post: #55

Excellent post berserk. I have seen some of the old cartoons from those days. And granted many men didn't take the warnings seriously or they would have never voted for Woodrow Wilson.

I wish I could go back and see those posters and tell the men "in 100 years, that 'hell' will be what the lucky men get".

Look at it again...

The women are still thin. They still were willing to give average men a chance. And they were at least faithful and at home. Sure they were ugly, out of control, and worthless around the home in those posters. But that is far better than most men have it today. Those posters completely underestimated how bad things would get with women voting.

Post: #56

(12-05-2014 10:56 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 10:50 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  How bad will it get before the wealthy elite knock this off, because it will come back to hurt them.

Elites do not give a flying fuck about the long term either, only for the next quarter earnings.

As mentioned before - I don't believe that the current work-force is needed for the maintenance of civilization. Even Omega-males or completely inept asexuals have to eat. As long as the top 10% will be performing well and technology and infrastructure is intact, automation replaces other human jobs, then civilization will be intact.

The elite does not care if the lives of the lower 70-80% are ever more rotten - they will behave, or they won't eat. Currently as well as in the future I don't see a shortage of docile Betas who will do the work. You could fire 30% of the current workforce within 5 years and still have the US at the same technological and cultural level. There would be still millions competing for shitty jobs and shitty pay, because it would be marginally better than living on the dole - regardless whether they have a woman or pay a prostitute once a month.

@Berserk - well done. Men have fought back against some moves, but to no avail. Feminism is plutocracy created and will only end either when the elite desires so, or when the majority of men rebel against it vehemently.

Post: #57

(12-05-2014 11:31 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Excellent post berserk. I have seen some of the old cartoons from those days. And granted many men didn't take the warnings seriously or they would have never voted for Woodrow Wilson.

I wish I could go back and see those posters and tell the men "in 100 years, that 'hell' will be what the lucky men get".

Your post reminded me of the opening paragraphs of Jack Donovan's No Man's Land:

Quote:If you were a science fiction writer freelancing for a men’s magazine in the 1940s, you might have dreamed up a lurid dystopian future where women rule. You might have described a “New Girl Order,” or titled your tale “The End of Men.” For your bizarro tomorrow, you may well have envisioned a world where boys were punished, drugged or expelled from school for the kinds of things you remembered doing as a kid. Males would be referred to as “the second sex,” regarded as “louts” and relegated to low paid, low status jobs. Women would be sexually promiscuous, even marching together as “proud sluts,” while men would be legally required to ask for explicit verbal permission for every kiss. When it came time to reproduce, females would often raise children (hopefully female children) on their own. Fathers would be considered quaint but ultimately disposable.

Your readers, back then, would have had quite a chuckle.

Post: #58

(12-04-2014 03:16 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 02:46 PM)Deepburn Wrote:  This withdrawl process won't work in the long run. Things will progress to the point where most male-male interactions are mediated by women. Without patriarchy or a solid family structure men will increasingly socialise with men that their girlfriends know or are dating their girlfriends friends. This means that men will find themselves in the position where men will have greater loyalty to the women in a social group than the men. Bottomline is too many men will sell out guys around them for sex, the promise of sex or to be esteemed by women.Opting out is just not an option for the majority of men.

Nah - what the article at Breitbart even misses is that sex is going on as before, but the distribution of sex is ever more slanted.

Already in the current generation of students 40-45% of men are incels at colleges.

In the future I see the top 10-20% having dozens of sexual partners, while the incels constitute 60% of male students. The top 1% will likely collect n-counts of 100+ easily in college or even live in almost hard harems.

Sex is going on as usual - yeah, but who is getting it among the men?

The same will be going on for the general population after school. There will be a bigger number of incels, asexuals and buy-sexuals. Ever more high-performing men will opt to become Players learning Game and fucking hundreds each. Girls will be the real losers there as they spend their best years cock-hopping and then trying to settle for a provider Beta being left alone, since the Betas have either given up on marriage or did not even get a job good enough to support a wife.

I foresee many weeping psychotic cougars and single-moms in their 30s, who are "going their own" fucked up way.

I'd say your analysis of the proportion of 'incels' at college is correct.

My point however is that voluntary seclusion or involuntary exculsion from sex and dating will not protect you from the toxic effects of this culture. We have to associate with other people in order to fulfill our social needs.

Pretty soon even associating with your mates will mean having to deal with SERIOUS but indirect feminist interference in your life.

No Women = No Status = No Social Power. And then comes the bullshit! Whether you want to get laid or not is of no consequence!

Post: #59

(12-05-2014 11:22 AM)berserk Wrote:  

This is the image that hit me the most.
The main points then, are completely fucking true today, right godamn now:
Money Thrown Away in Hysterical Legislation, Useless Commissions, Uncalled for Bond Issues, *Increased Election Costs---
Taxes Squandered because of a Catering of Legislative Interests to the Irresponsible Elements Among Voters.

*not exactly sure if this would have happened anyways

Post: #60

(12-04-2014 11:29 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  In some unexpected way, some gay men are forming a vital part of masculinity's future phalanxes. There is an element to that culture that, we must admit, has performed an important function in the preservation of the masculine ethos down through the ages.

Perhaps homosexuality's sexual inversion enables its adherents to focus their strict attentions on the virtues, ethics, and behaviors that compose the male spirit.

Or perhaps, freed from the subliminal sexual need to seek approval from women, they are more willing to speak the truth and fight for it.

It may not be our choice of lifestyle, but credit must be given where due.

Respectfully, I don't see how you came to that conclusion. To me homosexuality destroys masculinity more completely than feminism could ever hope to.

It's negatives outweigh any positives by a wide margin. Men need to develop a real healthy masculinity and a lifestyle to support it. Homosexuality will not provide that.

Post: #61

women are wired to be hypergamic, they feel attraction only for a limited percentage of men. so you have the remaining overwhelming majority of males who are left sexless or dateless. with no prospect of reward in term of sex or dating life it's hard for this huge crowd of betas to be productive and all this people are the backbone of society, you can go on without them. sooner or later the elites in power will have to find something to compensate this collective lack of sexual gratification.

Post: #62

(12-05-2014 11:08 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 05:09 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:29 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  In some unexpected way, some gay men are forming a vital part of masculinity's future phalanxes. There is an element to that culture that, we must admit, has performed an important function in the preservation of the masculine ethos down through the ages.

Perhaps homosexuality's sexual inversion enables its adherents to focus their strict attentions on the virtues, ethics, and behaviors that compose the male spirit.

Or perhaps, freed from the subliminal sexual need to seek approval from women, they are more willing to speak the truth and fight for it.

It may not be our choice of lifestyle, but credit must be given where due.

Ballsy comment. It might be true. I see things as a struggle for freedom. The feminine / feminist sensibility is more authoritarian and arbitrary. Men want freedom and justice.

Gay men are often the first to call bullshit on things. Glenn Greenwald, Gore Vidal, Oscar Wilde and Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com come to mind.

Sp5:

You've probably noticed, as I have over the years, that most gay clients seem to have very finely-tuned sensitivities. There is little of the false pride that prevents the average person from taking action to deal with problems.

Their level of social awareness and willingness to confront reality stands in stark contrast to much of the delusional posturing of the average straight man in legal trouble.

All in all, I would say that gay male clients are probably the best that an attorney can hope to have. I have to be honest.

They always have money, they respect authority, they never abuse or disrespect people who are helping them, and they tend to be more intelligent than the norm.

Hmmm, most of my clients were criminals, or at least hapless offenders. So not much respect for authority amongst any of them.

The gay ones were either petty thieves or fraudsters, involved in some bizarre domestic dispute, or drunk and disorderly. Boozing seemed to be a common problem among gay men.

I also represented straight men who preyed upon gay men in robberies.

Really, my favorite clients were higher-level drug dealers. They were usually smart and knew the score. Out of The Wire or Clockers.

Post: #63

We are on a decline, but, I saw a bunch of beta acquaintances post this article on their timelines on Facebook. That makes me hopeful, hopeful that the reality of what is going on is hitting home for some people.

Post: #64

(12-05-2014 11:35 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  As mentioned before - I don't believe that the current work-force is needed for the maintenance of civilization. Even Omega-males or completely inept asexuals have to eat. As long as the top 10% will be performing well and technology and infrastructure is intact, automation replaces other human jobs, then civilization will be intact.

The elite does not care if the lives of the lower 70-80% are ever more rotten - they will behave, or they won't eat. Currently as well as in the future I don't see a shortage of docile Betas who will do the work. You could fire 30% of the current workforce within 5 years and still have the US at the same technological and cultural level. There would be still millions competing for shitty jobs and shitty pay, because it would be marginally better than living on the dole - regardless whether they have a woman or pay a prostitute once a month.

I'd go one step farther. They not only think they aren't necessary, they are planning to get rid of them. That is where all this is going. You can find quotes if you look hard enough calling for a 90% population reduction along with quotes calling most of the population "useless eaters".

Post: #65

You see so many males (I use the term males on purpose here, supposed to men). Drifting around with literally no purpose whatsoever. Most of their biggest purpose in life is to score pussy. The introverts and extroverts, extroverts usually being more successful in this endeavour are still behaving feminine in their approach to pedal stalling women as being the primary goal in life. In some ways there is hope for this millennial generation, because it got to such a bad stage, that many can clearly see what is going on and make conscious decisions about it.

I was speaking to two friends from university recently, one was a big black guy who is going into banking, the other one was a small Irish lad. Both of them came to the same conclusions, about the absurdity and double standards of gender relations to this day and how its affecting their life decisions. The black guy still seems lost but decided to focus on his career, the Irish guy wants to go back home, where he sees it as being more family orientated and traditional.

We do shun "betas" here, but in the end of the day a lot of males are "betas" because its the rational choice to be one. They are being moderate and want to live comfortable lives, which unfortunately means that being moderate nowadays, you have to be a incel leper. The path of having a successful sex life, whatever that means to you, and career; involves a lot of rejection, heart break and deconstruction of what you originally thought was your character. Most don't have the energy for that and really its hard to blame them. This is a time of the age, where you rise to the top of sink to the bottom; like always, however now it is more subtle and discrete than the times of the 1800s/early 1900s.

To personally confess on this forum, I went through a period of genuinely being misogynistic. My experiences growing up with millennial women in a rough part of the U.K, led to me being very confused and distraught. This is a place, where solely the attractive women 9 times out of 10, would only hook up with the most violent dysfunctional men in the neighbourhood. There was no feminine affection or sense of it in the slightest.

After discovering game, I decided to do what I always wanted to do, believing one night stands, FWB and even relationships would solve this itch that I had and man I had a lot of those, none of which I regret mind you. But no, after a couple of years and eventually finding myself out of the country, I still felt empty. It was only at that point, when I started to focus on myself, self development, going for an adventure in life that I ended up in the East, surrounded by women who I appreciated and dare I say it even respected. The whole feminine/masculine dynamic was restored and it felt nourishing. It was almost as if the universe responded to my own personal awakening.

Now back in the Anglosphere to complete my studies, I still feel on top of it all. There is a realisation that these millennial types are dysfunctional, its their problem not yours, although this doesn't mean you should start slacking off of your own personal development.

From a political/anthropological perspective, despite the spread of feminism, post modernity to the rest of the world. The religious sentiments and framework of the Anglosphere, makes it particularly a toxic combination over here. Even in France, Spain, countries which have embraced the cultural revolutionism and degeneracy for a long time now. Still retain a sense of traditionalism and identity that isn't solely based around getting pissed and f*cking bang bitches.

It is simple economics, people will adapt to the market; to be particular men who have resources and common sense will decide to simply leave or have a lifestyle which doesn't contribute to the parasites. The worrying trend we could see in the future, is a form of shaming campaign or even form of legislation to combat a "man" drain so to speak. However the levels of immigration in Western countries will surely skewer that.

Post: #66

(12-05-2014 04:55 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:40 AM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:34 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  So many great points here. No need for me to repeat them. This is the end result of giving women the right to vote. I don't know what the hell men were thinking back in the early 1900's, but they destroyed the very countries they bleed to create by giving women the right to vote.

I know this was a push by wealthy elites for a "progressive" society. And as always, progressive policy fails. And I am certain the wealthy elites pushed this to create more wealth for themselves and exert more control over society.

But how bad will it get before the wealthy elite realize that they too need the beta males? Can the wealthy elite not see this will come back to hurt them as well? It will destroy the very society they run and control and manipulate. Soon the barbarians at the gate will come crashing through, and with no beta males there to protect them, their wealth will be ripe for picking.

And if the barbarians do crash through the gate. And for some reason/ability the beta males do stand up and fight them and do happen to win to protect our society. The great wisdom of getting women back in the kitchen is of the most importance. If you beat the barbarians and then turn around and give women the keys to society again, they will run it right back into the ground.

I'm the barbarian at the gate.

I think of the barbarians as the Islamic extremists or maybe a more powerful China. The eastern world realizing the wealth in the western world is ripe for picking because western women have destroyed their own societies and the men are not going to defend it.

Boys are being taught to not fight, not compete, not offend, and not defend themselves. It is setting up western civilization for a giant collapse, because women sure as hell will never pick up the slack.

Then the enemy of my enemy is my.......

Post: #67

(12-04-2014 05:21 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 04:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I have avoided mainstream "society" for most of life. But, not because of women.

"I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one"

Before you give up on women, I recommended fixing all of your major flaws and studying/practicing the art and science of social interaction.

If you give on women before doing this, you lack courage, conviction or you are just lazy.

You probably can not fix society. But, you certainly can fix your own life.

Adapt or Die!

I'm trying to figure out a way to profit off the decline.

Right now I'm thinking about cat toys. Before you roll your eyes, just read on a little bit. The current toys on the cat toy market look boring as hell and usually aren't at all political.

I like the cat toy idea. Build a brand with "Mickey" the butch dyke cat toy, something the cat can play with and the millions of lesbians can buy and laugh about.

Post: #68

(12-05-2014 06:01 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 11:08 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 05:09 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  [quote='Quintus Curtius' pid='896900' dateline='1417753767']

Gay men are often the first to call bullshit on things. Glenn Greenwald, Gore Vidal, Oscar Wilde and Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com come to mind.

Sp5:

You've probably noticed, as I have over the years, that most gay clients seem to have very finely-tuned sensitivities. There is little of the false pride that prevents the average person from taking action to deal with problems.

Their level of social awareness and willingness to confront reality stands in stark contrast to much of the delusional posturing of the average straight man in legal trouble.

All in all, I would say that gay male clients are probably the best that an attorney can hope to have. I have to be honest.

They always have money,

Hmmm, most of my clients were criminals, or at least hapless offenders. So not much respect for authority amongst any of them.

Really, my favorite clients were higher-level drug dealers. They were usually smart and knew the score. Out of The Wire or Clockers.

What you are both seeing is that class similarities are often stronger than other ethnic and cultural similarities.

Gore Vidal was a total blue-blood-- his grandfather was a senator and Vidal himself was elected to office.

It's why when some form of retrograde chimps take over somewhere ( for instance the more primitive Bolsheviks in Russia in early 1900s or the Islamists is Iran in 1980s) the rich run for the exits because things are going to go downhill for the smart and productive.

Post: #69

(12-05-2014 11:35 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  As mentioned before - I don't believe that the current work-force is needed for the maintenance of civilization. Even Omega-males or completely inept asexuals have to eat. As long as the top 10% will be performing well and technology and infrastructure is intact, automation replaces other human jobs, then civilization will be intact.

The elite does not care if the lives of the lower 70-80% are ever more rotten - they will behave, or they won't eat. Currently as well as in the future I don't see a shortage of docile Betas who will do the work. You could fire 30% of the current workforce within 5 years and still have the US at the same technological and cultural level. There would be still millions competing for shitty jobs and shitty pay, because it would be marginally better than living on the dole - regardless whether they have a woman or pay a prostitute once a month.

I think that's the problem right there, there seems to be a disconnect between survival of self and survival of species. Many men, in order to live well and eat well, go to colleges to rack up thousands of dollars in debt and lose out on developing Game due to fear of being called "creepy", and then take jobs and buy homes and find themselves stuck in the West unable to get out, due to financial commitments. There are places where these men are accepted and even do well with women (even some here in the US) but they can't seem to get there.
Growing up the most incel men I knew were almost always college educated, held stable jobs, and had no criminal record. At my last restaurant job I knew a cook who was in and out of jail, had no car or even a sense of style (he wore rags everyday to work) and practically begged people for money so he could buy cigarettes and bus passes, but somehow had a wife and three kids!
And this seems true for women as well. My cousin has several friends who all went to college with her and are smart, successful, and the product of stable, two parent homes, and they either stay single and dateless or resort to dating losers; whereas the poorest and craziest of women have no shortage of children and partners.
I think the answer for all men is to find their niche. Location, location, location. One of my old roommates, who has had countless lays and multiple LTRs, couldn't get laid in Seattle to save his life. Many posters here complain about DC, but then move elsewhere to find happiness. Unfortunately, society has no interest in communicating this to men and we resort to finding it on an Internet message board.

Post: #70

This picture is great, with the accuracy of the physical differences between the hen and the cock and the inversion of gender roles. It really shows how absurd it is to tell females to act like men while thinking that males are equally suited to female roles. The rooster has those big spurs to kill, not to sit on eggs all day.

Constitution45 Wrote:We do shun "betas" here, but in the end of the day a lot of males are "betas" because its the rational choice to be one. They are being moderate and want to live comfortable lives, which unfortunately means that being moderate nowadays, you have to be a incel leper. The path of having a successful sex life, whatever that means to you, and career; involves a lot of rejection, heart break and deconstruction of what you originally thought was your character. Most don't have the energy for that and really its hard to blame them. This is a time of the age, where you rise to the top of sink to the bottom; like always, however now it is more subtle and discrete than the times of the 1800s/early 1900s.

But that's exactly the problem. How many men are able to hold down the "second job" of getting laid? Guys in 2014, even if their game is good, are spending a ton of time and effort just to occasionally spend a couple minutes sticking their dick in a girl. One of the strong points of this article is that it shows how getting laid consistently is such a chore that most men won't bother, because it's such a bad return on investment. For example, an American male basically has to tell himself "If I go out drinking 4 or 5 nights a week and put up with sausage fests and bitchy girls, I might get laid once or twice this month while sacrificing all the personal things I could be doing with that time."

See how big the tradeoff is?

Post: #71

I sent the article to my mother for a laugh, she was not impressed and her hamster went into over drive.

Post: #72

(12-05-2014 10:50 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 10:26 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  Most men can't cash out when it comes to women in their lives. This is only getting worse. Being average is no longer acceptable.

However, even though I haven't been around long I know this has always been the case. That is, if you want quality women.

I still think we are fortunate in our generation and as a species. By being a top 20% men (in otherwords, being better than 80% of the competition) you will succeed with women in general throughout your life.

Contrast that to the animal kingdom, where most animals are lucky to get even a small dose of sexual success in their life. I might be wrong, but most male mammals as I understand will not get a chance to reproduce. Look at lions, one male in charge of a pack of lionesses and her cubs. For another male to have access to those lionesses, they have to overcome the alpha lion and take his position. When the male cubs in that pack become adults, the alpha male actually forces them out so he can maintain dominance over that pack. The newly adult males now have to roam solo and fend for themselves, with the life purpose of taking on an alpha of a different pride and conquering his position so he has his own harem. Most males will fail and not have the chance to breed and pass on their genes.

The males that succeed will have all the females who will all breed to ensure survival of the species.

I saw a documentary the other day, forgot the name of the animal. Some type of deer-relative with horns. Anyways, males fight each other to establish position in a hierarchy of males. The goal is to be at the very top, as higher ranking males will have a better shot at taking on the alpha male. Who ever is the current alpha has all the females of that group ( I saw 4-5) following him at all times, mating with him and finding food to sustain the group. The other males are constantly fighting among themselves for position and can't ever breed with a female unless they take on the alpha and win his number one spot.

Food for thought?

If you are truly in the top 20% of men, and...

- The increasing litigation against male sexuality does not cast you into their net.
- The increasing risk of women getting pregnant by any means possible because they are no longer finding men they want to marry.

Then you could come out lucky in the short term.

The key there is short term. In the long term, civilization is built upon the beta male finding a little piece of happiness in their average wife and life. As long as they have that, they keep society going.

When women run after only the top men and shit all over the beta males, then society will collapse. Beta males will no longer do all the work needed to keep a society going when there is no reward for it. So in the long term even the top males will be hurt badly if society collapses.

Which goes back to my earlier post. How bad will it get before the wealthy elite knock this off, because it will come back to hurt them.

The wealthy already figured out an end-run to this problem. They're slowly displacing the men in this country by importing a class of men from Mexico. They'll work harder for less pay.

Now here is where the manosphere's thinking goes wrong (with all due respect). Everyone will think "But Illegals are Alpha! They crossed the border and Latino culture is macho. Plus, they have gangs."

All that might be true, but Alpha is contextual. These guys might be Alpha in Mexico, but when you bring a 5'2" man into America, where he is essentially slave labor to rich white people, he becomes Beta by default in the society -- even if he's Alpha when he goes home to his community. And we have an ever-expanding prison system for the gangs.

This is also going on in the tech community from what I understand, but I know less about that. I do know that when you have rich people from the President to Mark Zuckerberg all in favor of something, you can bet it benefits their bottom line, not society's.

Post: #73

(12-05-2014 07:22 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  ...

To personally confess on this forum, I went through a period of genuinely being misogynistic. My experiences growing up with millennial women in a rough part of the U.K, led to me being very confused and distraught. This is a place, where solely the attractive women 9 times out of 10, would only hook up with the most violent dysfunctional men in the neighbourhood. There was no feminine affection or sense of it in the slightest.

After discovering game, I decided to do what I always wanted to do, believing one night stands, FWB and even relationships would solve this itch that I had and man I had a lot of those, none of which I regret mind you. But no, after a couple of years and eventually finding myself out of the country, I still felt empty. It was only at that point, when I started to focus on myself, self development, going for an adventure in life that I ended up in the East, surrounded by women who I appreciated and dare I say it even respected. The whole feminine/masculine dynamic was restored and it felt nourishing. It was almost as if the universe responded to my own personal awakening.
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What you describe is what most men go through nowadays - the period of total disappointment with women can last from days to years.

Feminism & the elimination of the husband in the female lives is what brings out the worst in women. Of course women and men have inherently bad sides, that have to be cut short. However what feminism does is, it says to women, that they should embrace the Dark Side and let loose. And so they do.

The male counterpart would be as if all men were told to rape and take sex whenever they want to and bash in someone's head just because he pisses you off. We men are still supposed to be gentlemen, brave soldiers, diligent workers and students, while women can do whatever the fuck they want. Sure - they need money, but when government gives them some just for popping out some bad boy's spawn, then that's not really the issue.

In countries where survival is tougher and the government does not play big daddy, the women are automatically nicer and try to shack up with a man even if they are single mothers - EE, FSU.

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Right now, porn is probably doing a lot of the work of keeping the beta males from revolting. In the future it may be VR porn and sexbots.

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(12-06-2014 03:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 07:22 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  ...

To personally confess on this forum, I went through a period of genuinely being misogynistic. My experiences growing up with millennial women in a rough part of the U.K, led to me being very confused and distraught. This is a place, where solely the attractive women 9 times out of 10, would only hook up with the most violent dysfunctional men in the neighbourhood. There was no feminine affection or sense of it in the slightest.

After discovering game, I decided to do what I always wanted to do, believing one night stands, FWB and even relationships would solve this itch that I had and man I had a lot of those, none of which I regret mind you. But no, after a couple of years and eventually finding myself out of the country, I still felt empty. It was only at that point, when I started to focus on myself, self development, going for an adventure in life that I ended up in the East, surrounded by women who I appreciated and dare I say it even respected. The whole feminine/masculine dynamic was restored and it felt nourishing. It was almost as if the universe responded to my own personal awakening.
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What you describe is what most men go through nowadays - the period of total disappointment with women can last from days to years.

Feminism & the elimination of the husband in the female lives is what brings out the worst in women. Of course women and men have inherently bad sides, that have to be cut short. However what feminism does is, it says to women, that they should embrace the Dark Side and let loose. And so they do.

The male counterpart would be as if all men were told to rape and take sex whenever they want to and bash in someone's head just because he pisses you off. We men are still supposed to be gentlemen, brave soldiers, diligent workers and students, while women can do whatever the fuck they want. Sure - they need money, but when government gives them some just for popping out some bad boy's spawn, then that's not really the issue.

In countries where survival is tougher and the government does not play big daddy, the women are automatically nicer and try to shack up with a man even if they are single mothers - EE, FSU.

"Sure - they need money, but when government gives them some just for popping out some bad boy's spawn, then that's not really the issue."

We have these women in the US, too. I'm friends with one from high school.

On Father's Day on Facebook she posted a picture of her kid and his "baby-daddy" along with all his kids from various women. I wanted to write "Don't you see you're part of an unofficial harem?" but didn't want to end a friendship that stretched back decades.

The idea of women not having to be married to have kids is reconfiguring society and having ripple effects no one intended. People call it progress, but it's actually regressive, sending us back to the pre-monogamy, pre-Christianity days.