Post: #126

I just started reading and he's quoting Roosh on the high standards of women and the difficulties of the average man getting laid. This is it. The year of the manosphere. Boom.



Sexodus Part 2

Post: #127

(12-09-2014 07:54 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  Sexodus Part 2

It's convenient that you posted the article, but this is definitely one case where posters should visit the site and give him those page views.

Having a journalist like Milo in our corner is great and we should help ensure his bosses are pleased with the ad revenue.

Post: #128

It's a very good article and the comments are pretty telling (and a bit enlightening (& scary)).

I guess I'm wondering just how all this will eventually affect younger women (the currrent crop are pretty much too far gone) and how it might make them up their game by acting and eating more healthy and also just being more like real feminine women who realize they really need men (and a man). Right now it's hard to see that happening quickly even if men en masse start dropping out of the game or just become players until they are 40+. In that respect I don't see the roadmap yet, but this awakening is pretty cool to watch unfold.

Post: #129

Quote:Men want normal relationships that include sex, says Obama. Some of them will read pick-up artist books or go to seminars by people such as Roosh V if they don't get it or need to be trained out of "white knight" behaviours instilled in them by a female-dominated culture. (Men have been taught that being a nice guy gets you laid. It doesn't.)
What strikes a lot of women as strange is how rational and systematic so much of this decision-making is by men. Many young men literally perform a cost-benefit analysis and decide that women aren't worth the hassle. It's girls who lose out in this scenario: men don't need the sustained emotional intimacy that comes with a fulfilling sexual relationship and can retreat into masturbatory pursuits, prostitution and one-night stands much more comfortably.
But that's exactly what it is, from a male point of view: a rational opting out from education, work and marriage by men who have had enough, as a remarkable book by Dr Helen Smith called Men on Strike warned in July last year. (The consensus on this stuff is growing rapidly.)
Men, driven, as many of them like to say, by fact and not emotion, can see that society is not fair to them and more dangerous for them.

This is really the MEAT of the article and gets at the points we talk about here every day. He's highlighting the point that men need to be trained to engage in some kind of unnatural kind of performance to get laid, then realize how much of a pain in the ass it is, so a lot of them resort to random low investment hookups, porn, p4p, or various other ways of avoiding women's bullshit when they see the unrealistic expectations placed on them. Getting involved in something serious is a hell of a risk these days with child support, alimony, divorce settlements, domestic violence hysteria, etc.

I honestly think the MGTOW thing (or something like it) is going to get huge in the next several years if it includes a broad definition of all men who never want to get married or have kids. It will include guys who use game for lays and short term relationships, guys who are more into video games than women, and a ton of other male subcultures. If you create a game where men lose every time they play by the rules and get involved with women or try to, they're going to say "fuck this shit" and play something else. Our ruling class seems to be hell-bent on stacking the deck so that most men lose, so fuck them and their dysfunctional civilization that creates a class of obedient workers who contribute to their tax base then pulls the ground out from underneath us.

Post: #130

A question about "the beautiful ones..."

Why do they groom themselves?

These mice in the experiment mentioned in the first article obsessively groom themselves to look good despite having no way to protect their mates. They have access to sex, but don't breed. They don't fight. But they look beautiful. Why the obsession with appearance?

I ask because I've noticed recently what you might call "grooming" behaviors. Things which don't serve a practical purpose, but make me look good. It's freaking me out, and I don't understand it. Feel like if I get this it'll lead to some other revelation.

Milo's article was great, but it's hard to read. Humbling actually. I don't consider myself above the trends he talks about, and understanding them alone doesn't change the river of history. Still gotta live on the banks of that river.

Post: #131

I've been thinking a lot recently about what's my end game and to be honest, it just seems there isn't a viable one out there. Once your SMV starts slipping after your late 30s, what do you do? Try and be a playa for life? Get married to some crazy American broad who could unleash the fury of the state on your ass the moment things go sour? Import a wife from SE Asia or the FSU from your travels and hope she doesn't get infected with feminism? Move overseas to these more traditional places (not really an option for most guys)? And what of having children? Some of these options are more appealing than others but none of them really stick out as being an awesome idea.

I guess you can be a playa but once you are in your forties or fifties, those 18-24 year old women are going to be scarce. You'll have to game women in their thirties who are about to hit the wall and looking to cash in on their SMV.

To RVF members: what's your plan? Have you thought about this yet?

Post: #132

(12-10-2014 04:08 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  I guess you can be a playa but once you are in your forties or fifties, those 18-24 year old women are going to be scarce. You'll have to game women in their thirties who are about to hit the wall and looking to cash in on their SMV.

To RVF members: what's your plan? Have you thought about this yet?

So far I am reaching my 40s and still can fuck women in their prime in EE quite easily. According to Roosh and many other seasoned Players the top is around 43 after which attraction is dropping slowly but surely.

The plan is to raise my value ever more to be able to attract high value women at grand house parties - the best girls in most parts of the world are found there. Also I am in the process of changing my diet to ever greater health focus - moving towards predominantly raw vegan (all organic) coupled with some high quality meat & fish. Also I intend to go Dr. Life's TRT program in a decade or so:

I look better than him and have lived a better lifestyle.

Apart from that I live with an angel-like girl in a relationship in EE. She is into threesomes and accepts a certain degree of discrete fun on the side. I could imagine myself having a child with her as I know that we would be in total agreement regarding Red Pill, health, education - even if we split up in the future. She is very Red Pill herself now.

Since I plan to move to Japan, China or SEA in the future I don't think that it is much of a problem. I have met enough Alpha widow 20 year olds, who pined after some 45 year old Alpha cock (men for whom she was no. 15 in that year), to know that I can do the same. It becomes easier in EE or Asia.

Apart from it I take it as it comes trying to combine both lifestyles - the happy family life on one side with the Player on weekends and travels. If it does not work out in the future, then I can decide to be one or the other. I might be a father soon anyway, so maybe this changes perspective. Apart from that I am relaxed about my prospects - I can either play around in my 50s-70s with mistresses (some kind of provisioning likely necessary after some age) or be the faithful family man (no marriage though). Besides - if Dominique Strauss Kahn and Berlusconi are not beneath taking part in libertine orgies in their 60s-70s, why should I sit up on my horse feeling superior to that?

I look young for my age, so I have the luxury of going on dates with 19 year olds and no on batting an eyelash so far, but I guess that many men here have the same experience.

We are all here temporarily and nothing lasts forever. Better to keep your options open to all sides and be detached about the outcomes. I am quite happy and content in most situations, so why should I worry? Even if I have to fuck 30 year olds in my 50s, this is not the end of the world.

Post: #133

At 41 there is no sign of a wall for me. It may come at 55. But I'll be looking back in satisfaction at a long player career at that point, and I don't think there will be any despair.

Sex is just sex, your hormones fade, and there are other things in life. The best state is when women are actually and truly no higher than your 3rd or 5th priority in life. If I was forced to be celibate I would be fine occupying myself with the projects I have going on right now. Women are icing on the cake. And I've never been doing better with them.

So if the wall comes at 55, then fine. I'll peace out with a P4P spree in Pattaya. We're all going to die anyway.

Of course, if you want to have children, things get more complicated.

Post: #134

(12-10-2014 01:35 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  I ask because I've noticed recently what you might call "grooming" behaviors. Things which don't serve a practical purpose, but make me look good. It's freaking me out, and I don't understand it. Feel like if I get this it'll lead to some other revelation.

I wouldn't stress about this. Most likely, you just realise that looking good offers social power as well as sexual power. Charisma creates opportunity through attraction and the perception that you are a disciplined man in control.

(12-10-2014 04:08 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  I guess you can be a playa but once you are in your forties or fifties, those 18-24 year old women are going to be scarce. You'll have to game women in their thirties who are about to hit the wall and looking to cash in on their SMV.

To RVF members: what's your plan? Have you thought about this yet?

I'm 43. 18 year old girlfriend, (though I'm thinking lately we've run our course and am thinking of heading to Germany for a year). Was able to pull girls in their low 20's before her, but had dated in the 25-35 range as well. Understand I'm in damn good shape, and, though ugly, am dominant, dangerous-looking and masculine. That's where you need to be in your 40's. Women after that and my own age have lost all joy and innocence, seem consumed by bitterness, and generally have started to look like men, so I avoid them.

It'll probably start tailing off from here, sure, but I'm not remotely-worried about this. I've had a healthy sex life, and have noticed that although my sex drive is still damn strong, sex itself isn't as important to me, because it doesn't hold much mystery for me anymore. Since I never thought of it as 'dirty', there's also no transgressive thrill. It's just an act that I enjoy, but any problems I have before the act still exist after it, and the drive that makes me bang is never, ever satiated, so I've had to learn to accept I will never be satisified by either a woman or the sex act itself. All I really get out of the transaction is an intimate appreciation of female innocence and beauty, which is why the jaded nature of young millennials strikes me as a tragedy.

As such, I feel like I've both mastered the desire and matured to the stage where sex doesn't control me. It's hard to explain without sounding pretentious, but at this age of my life, my concerns are seeking life rewards that are deeper and less transitory than sexual pleasure, which is probably why I should have had children, but that choice was out of my control. None of what I'd consider were my peak life experiences were sex-related, so there's still the pursuit of beauty, excellence, discipline and knowledge to keep me interested. Hell, I've been thinking of taking up painting. Might take me 30 years to get good, but, hey, I've got time.

Maybe I'm more aware of my own mortality, and recognise that women can only offer so much, especially when I can't even remember a lot of the girls I've banged. (Some girls I knew in my youth were reminiscing on Facebook about sex with me the other week, and if you'd asked me point blank if I've ever slept with them, I would have said no. I had to tactfully talk about it in general abstracts with them, hoping they wouldn't notice).

If I never banged again after tonight, hell, I've had a good run. It wouldn't be the end of the world. Always have a mission.

Post: #135

I love the last few posts here by the guys in their 40's. So much wisdom in those posts. Young guys copy and paste them, print them out, and read them once a week. It will do more for you than anything else you could ever do.

I am on the same page as these guys. I remember being in my 20's. I thought about women all the time. I would lie awake at night worrying I would never find someone. That my life was meaningless. That I would never find any happiness. In your 20's you think sex and finding the right woman is all that matters in life.

When you hit your 30's you realize this is not true. In fact the opposite is true today. There are so few good women, in a system designed to destroy families and men, that in fact finding a great woman is almost impossible and you are more likely to fuck your own future in trying to do so. It is tough to realize this when you are 25, but trust me, it is the truth you will realize.

As you get older you realize women are good for two things, and that is it. #1) Entertainment. This is just the icing on the cake, but first you have to have the cake (becoming a full man and knowing what you want in your life). #2) Having your children. But this should be a VERY picky choice. Choosing not only the right woman, but also the right environment for our kids.

Guys in your 20's, just focus on yourself. Wake up everyday with the knowledge that this day you will improve yourself. You will learn something new. You will get to the gym and grow more muscle or burn off more fat. You will improve your inner game. You will become more confident. You might learn a new phrase in another language. But everyday you will improve who you are and that will allow you to grow into who you want to be. Women are an after thought. If one comes along worth fucking, then go for it. If not, get some good sleep, you have lots of growth, and it is more fun and rewarding than being stuck in a marriage with kids that limit your personal growth.

Post: #136

Quote:I love the last few posts here by the guys in their 40's. So much wisdom in those posts. Young guys copy and paste them, print them out, and read them once a week. It will do more for you than anything else you could ever do.

I am on the same page as these guys. I remember being in my 20's. I thought about women all the time. I would lie awake at night worrying I would never find someone. That my life was meaningless. That I would never find any happiness. In your 20's you think sex and finding the right woman is all that matters in life.

When you hit your 30's you realize this is not true. In fact the opposite is true today. There are so few good women, in a system designed to destroy families and men, that in fact finding a great woman is almost impossible and you are more likely to fuck your own future in trying to do so. It is tough to realize this when you are 25, but trust me, it is the truth you will realize.

As you get older you realize women are good for two things, and that is it. #1) Entertainment. This is just the icing on the cake, but first you have to have the cake (becoming a full man and knowing what you want in your life). #2) Having your children. But this should be a VERY picky choice. Choosing not only the right woman, but also the right environment for our kids.

Guys in your 20's, just focus on yourself. Wake up everyday with the knowledge that this day you will improve yourself. You will learn something new. You will get to the gym and grow more muscle or burn off more fat. You will improve your inner game. You will become more confident. You might learn a new phrase in another language. But everyday you will improve who you are and that will allow you to grow into who you want to be. Women are an after thought. If one comes along worth fucking, then go for it. If not, get some good sleep, you have lots of growth, and it is more fun and rewarding than being stuck in a marriage with kids that limit your personal growth.

HSLD

Post: #137

^ AB, at 43 still plenty of time to have kids if you want? Im nearing 40 and women have been my no 1 hobby for way to long, while it can be a good motivator. You definitely need to have something deeper going on.

Post: #138

Well, it's official, the manosphere has gone mainstream. Now the question is how do we use this, gentlemen?

Post: #139

(12-10-2014 04:08 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  I guess you can be a playa but once you are in your forties or fifties, those 18-24 year old women are going to be scarce. You'll have to game women in their thirties who are about to hit the wall and looking to cash in on their SMV.

To RVF members: what's your plan? Have you thought about this yet?

I will see how the dating market goes and if I can't get anything out of it, I might just leave the country. I considered the 'MGTOW' lifesytle in college as a virgin but biology took over and I pressed on until I finally got laid at 22. I'm 29 so I still have some time to raise my SMV, save money, and move to an exciting city in the U.S. I refuse to lay down and go 'herbivore'. Men sadly don't realize that the powers that be want them to be miserable and give up, and that they're playing into their hands. With all of the crap going on in the U.S with the C.I.A release, the trillion dollar deficit, the poor economy, illegal immigration, etc., women are just a footnote on why its good to leave the U.S.

Post: #140

(12-10-2014 07:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official, the manosphere has gone mainstream. Now the question is how do we use this, gentlemen?

Post: #141

(12-10-2014 07:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official, the manosphere has gone mainstream. Now the question is how do we use this, gentlemen?

You are right, this is a big opportunity. The problem with the manosphere is there are so many fractions of it, and many don't agree with others.

IMO, there is one thing most of the manosphere can agree upon and could gain huge steam and be a potential battle cry...

Remove women's right to vote.

Post: #142

(12-10-2014 08:05 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 07:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official, the manosphere has gone mainstream. Now the question is how do we use this, gentlemen?

You are right, this is a big opportunity. The problem with the manosphere is there are so many fractions of it, and many don't agree with others.

IMO, there is one thing most of the manosphere can agree upon and could gain huge steam and be a potential battle cry...

Remove women's right to vote.

Can we do something first that has nothing to do with women?
Free beer?

Post: #143

(12-10-2014 08:08 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:05 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 07:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official, the manosphere has gone mainstream. Now the question is how do we use this, gentlemen?

You are right, this is a big opportunity. The problem with the manosphere is there are so many fractions of it, and many don't agree with others.

IMO, there is one thing most of the manosphere can agree upon and could gain huge steam and be a potential battle cry...

Remove women's right to vote.

Can we do something first that has nothing to do with women?
Free beer?

As long as women vote nothing else will matter. If we got free beer, within a few years it would be "free beer, but women get served first". They will continue to take and take and take until it is too late.

And I think it has potential if the manosphere were to get behind it...

Combine the exploding numbers of red pill men/on the verge of being red pill.

With the conservative women sick of the leftist crap destroying potential husbands and marriages. And telling them that the leftist crap would stop if we got their feminists sisters out of the voting booth.

With the number of women who simply don't care about politics and would give up voting for an overnight 20%+ pay increase.

There is a chance. It might be the last chance western civilization has before it collapses and some form of eastern civilizations wins out. Which would be FAR worse for women.

Post: #144

(12-10-2014 08:05 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 07:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official, the manosphere has gone mainstream. Now the question is how do we use this, gentlemen?

You are right, this is a big opportunity. The problem with the manosphere is there are so many fractions of it, and many don't agree with others.

IMO, there is one thing most of the manosphere can agree upon and could gain huge steam and be a potential battle cry...

Remove women's right to vote.

Removing women's right to vote isn't feasible until bankruptcy comes. Right now we must work within the confines of the system.

What goals can we achieve within the present system? At a bare minimum the marriage laws, alimony laws, and child support laws can be reformed.

Post: #145

(12-10-2014 08:15 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:05 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 07:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official, the manosphere has gone mainstream. Now the question is how do we use this, gentlemen?

You are right, this is a big opportunity. The problem with the manosphere is there are so many fractions of it, and many don't agree with others.

IMO, there is one thing most of the manosphere can agree upon and could gain huge steam and be a potential battle cry...

Remove women's right to vote.

Removing women's right to vote isn't feasible until bankruptcy comes. Right now we must work within the confines of the system.

What goals can we achieve within the present system? At a bare minimum the marriage laws, alimony laws, and child support laws can be reformed.

Read my post above. I think it is feasible as the manosphere grows. If the manosphere disagreed on almost everything, but were to agree upon this, I think it is possible.

As long as women vote those laws will most likely not be reformed. The Democrats will run out screaming there is a war on women, and have this to back it up, and continue to win elections based upon it.

Post: #146

(12-10-2014 08:08 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Can we do something first that has nothing to do with women?
Free beer?

Heh - ultimately it is mostly not connected with women.

Think about it - if it were only about women, most would just learn Game and silently go about their ways fucking younger hotter lasses or Gaming their wives in some cases.

But instead many guys here - and even quite a few professional PUAs produce a lot of social commentaries, non-sex related content and they socialize with cool guys all around the world. It is in fact a community that can help you meet suave men even if you are a constant globe-trotter. That part might grow even in the future and male-only Red Pill clubs might appear in some cities - actually that is one business idea of mine.

Women should always be the side-dish to men - that's what they prefer to be themselves anyway.

Post: #147

(12-10-2014 08:14 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  As long as women vote nothing else will matter. If we got free beer, within a few years it would be "free beer, but women get served first". They will continue to take and take and take until it is too late.

And I think it has potential if the manosphere were to get behind it...

Combine the exploding numbers of red pill men/on the verge of being red pill.

With the conservative women sick of the leftist crap destroying potential husbands and marriages. And telling them that the leftist crap would stop if we got their feminists sisters out of the voting booth.

With the number of women who simply don't care about politics and would give up voting for an overnight 20%+ pay increase.

There is a chance. It might be the last chance western civilization has before it collapses and some form of eastern civilizations wins out. Which would be FAR worse for women.

The problem is not voting per se, but representative goverment. Things will balance itself out, but it have to break first as it always happened throughout history. Red pill going mainstream is one of the balancing acts.

Post: #148

Really women do not have the power to do anything, the only reason they have it now is that men have given it to them. Men could take it back whenever they want; the right to vote for example. The only people that could stop it would be other men. I mean if shit hit the fan who else would do it? butch lesbians, Jezabel.... Tank Girl?

The only power women really have is to control other men.

Post: #149

The manosphere isn't mainstream yet, we just had our first dose of positive mainstream exposure.

I wouldn't change anything or do anything differently. Keep fighting the good fight and putting the right information out to guys who need it. A steady, concentrated effort, further enhanced by feminist fuck ups outside our control (Gamergate, shirtgate, "Lena Dunham molesting her sister-gate", etc.) and you'll see large scale conversions.

The opposition is sprinting, trying to push through legislation and create immediate outrage. We need to be in this for the long haul. Slow and steady wins the race.

Post: #150

(12-10-2014 08:26 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  The manosphere isn't mainstream yet, we just had our first dose of positive mainstream exposure.

I wouldn't change anything or do anything differently. Keep fighting the good fight and putting the right information out to guys who need it. A steady, concentrated effort, further enhanced by feminist fuck ups outside our control (Gamergate, shirtgate, "Lena Dunham molesting her sister-gate", etc.) and you'll see large scale conversions.

The opposition is sprinting, trying to push through legislation and create immediate outrage. We need to be in this for the long haul. Slow and steady wins the race.

I am sure the Democrats will try to find a way to shut this down. Luckily they have little to 0 power for the next 2 years. So you are right, the real thing to do right now is for the manosphere to press and spread the word for the next 2 years.