Post: #26

I checked this breitbart site, they have an alexa rank of like 1600, so I guess we're winning Charlie Sheen style.





with "violent, hatred." Marginalize these bitches in Western countries with their retarded demands of what they expect from a man.

"Every guy who isn't a celebrity or rich is a loser"

Post: #27

In some unexpected way, some gay men are forming a vital part of masculinity's future phalanxes. There is an element to that culture that, we must admit, has performed an important function in the preservation of the masculine ethos down through the ages.

Perhaps homosexuality's sexual inversion enables its adherents to focus their strict attentions on the virtues, ethics, and behaviors that compose the male spirit.

Or perhaps, freed from the subliminal sexual need to seek approval from women, they are more willing to speak the truth and fight for it.

It may not be our choice of lifestyle, but credit must be given where due.

Post: #28

So many great points here. No need for me to repeat them. This is the end result of giving women the right to vote. I don't know what the hell men were thinking back in the early 1900's, but they destroyed the very countries they bleed to create by giving women the right to vote.

I know this was a push by wealthy elites for a "progressive" society. And as always, progressive policy fails. And I am certain the wealthy elites pushed this to create more wealth for themselves and exert more control over society.

But how bad will it get before the wealthy elite realize that they too need the beta males? Can the wealthy elite not see this will come back to hurt them as well? It will destroy the very society they run and control and manipulate. Soon the barbarians at the gate will come crashing through, and with no beta males there to protect them, their wealth will be ripe for picking.

And if the barbarians do crash through the gate. And for some reason/ability the beta males do stand up and fight them and do happen to win to protect our society. The great wisdom of getting women back in the kitchen is of the most importance. If you beat the barbarians and then turn around and give women the keys to society again, they will run it right back into the ground.

Post: #29

(12-04-2014 05:03 PM)heavy Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 03:20 PM)frenchie Wrote:  The day that the washed up spinsters realize that there aren't anymore well paid nice guys around is going to be hilarious.

We're quickly reaching our limits. Hearing that most guys have between 4-6 partners cracks me up.

This is already happening...in fact I would say this has already happened to some extent.

I have a few friends with solid stable careers, nice guys (blue pill, not low value (solid friend groups and stay busy with sports, etc), but go months, even more than a year, without banging because they want to date an attractive chic.

Then eventually they break up (the last one broke the girls heart) and move on to celibate lifestyle until the next chic comes along. They are inadvertently MGTOW.

The point is guys adjust even if they're ignorant or in denial, just as companies can be in denial about market pressures but become more competitive out of necessity and without realizing it.

I'm sure the mindset behind what they are doing is wrong, but I don't really find much of an issue with the result. I got into game almost about a year ago, and I don't put in the maximal amount of effort into approaching and going out. But I have my mindset straight, I'm focused on improving myself and I'm obsessed with my job and my goal of getting into an Ivy League school when I'm out of the military. There's 24 hours in a day, and I only sleep for 6 of them. I've decided to quit drinking, as I can't stand losing an entire day (or forcing myself to do average work) to a hangover. I'm either in my room or I'm at work a solid 23 hours of the day. I can't imagine myself having a notch count above 2 over the next 3 years, if I'm lucky. But I'm okay with that, because that's not the goal right now. Knock a dude's blue pill mindset, but I don't think there's nothing wrong with putting the mission over ladies.

Post: #30

Guys, do your part and spread this shit over social media. This is a palatable, neutral article from a mainstream source that covers the male experience today from A to Z. It's better to help one man and piss off a hundred women than let these issues continue to go unnoticed in the mainstream.

Post: #31

(12-05-2014 03:34 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  So many great points here. No need for me to repeat them. This is the end result of giving women the right to vote. I don't know what the hell men were thinking back in the early 1900's, but they destroyed the very countries they bleed to create by giving women the right to vote.

I know this was a push by wealthy elites for a "progressive" society. And as always, progressive policy fails. And I am certain the wealthy elites pushed this to create more wealth for themselves and exert more control over society.

But how bad will it get before the wealthy elite realize that they too need the beta males? Can the wealthy elite not see this will come back to hurt them as well? It will destroy the very society they run and control and manipulate. Soon the barbarians at the gate will come crashing through, and with no beta males there to protect them, their wealth will be ripe for picking.

And if the barbarians do crash through the gate. And for some reason/ability the beta males do stand up and fight them and do happen to win to protect our society. The great wisdom of getting women back in the kitchen is of the most importance. If you beat the barbarians and then turn around and give women the keys to society again, they will run it right back into the ground.

I'm the barbarian at the gate.

Post: #32

(12-05-2014 04:40 AM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:34 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  So many great points here. No need for me to repeat them. This is the end result of giving women the right to vote. I don't know what the hell men were thinking back in the early 1900's, but they destroyed the very countries they bleed to create by giving women the right to vote.

I know this was a push by wealthy elites for a "progressive" society. And as always, progressive policy fails. And I am certain the wealthy elites pushed this to create more wealth for themselves and exert more control over society.

But how bad will it get before the wealthy elite realize that they too need the beta males? Can the wealthy elite not see this will come back to hurt them as well? It will destroy the very society they run and control and manipulate. Soon the barbarians at the gate will come crashing through, and with no beta males there to protect them, their wealth will be ripe for picking.

And if the barbarians do crash through the gate. And for some reason/ability the beta males do stand up and fight them and do happen to win to protect our society. The great wisdom of getting women back in the kitchen is of the most importance. If you beat the barbarians and then turn around and give women the keys to society again, they will run it right back into the ground.

I'm the barbarian at the gate.

I think of the barbarians as the Islamic extremists or maybe a more powerful China. The eastern world realizing the wealth in the western world is ripe for picking because western women have destroyed their own societies and the men are not going to defend it.

Boys are being taught to not fight, not compete, not offend, and not defend themselves. It is setting up western civilization for a giant collapse, because women sure as hell will never pick up the slack.

Post: #33

(12-04-2014 04:10 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  This article.... makes me sad. Guys aren't getting laid, so why maintain and contribute to society?

I made a comment on this before:

(09-20-2014 01:14 AM)rhr Wrote:  Your primary desire is to find a woman, yet all your investments that you made into society yielded no such return. Except for food and shelter, the vast majority of your time was taken from you, while never truly giving you the thing you need.

As such, the most sensible course of action for you to take is to become a minimalist. That way you make sure that nobody get more of your time/recourses than the absolute minimum. I.e. The less you "sacrifice" for society, the less taxes you pay, the less can be stolen from you.

A problem that I see here on the forums is that we, as a group, are self-selected. Members on this forum are generally independent, mostly successful with women, and most of us have our shit together to some degree. Consequently, a lot of us simply don't see how dire the situation has become for most avarage men.

(12-04-2014 09:37 PM)Neo Wrote:  This isn't a surprise. On the forum I think we often overlook the fact that most of us are a rare breed.

This is exactly right! The problem here is that most of us simply don't see the other side of the fence! Most of my former (high) school friends I am still in contact with are now approaching 30. The most taboo topic never talked about in these groups is relationships. I can only collect data points through anecdotal evidence and a decade of observation:
At least a third 30% (!) of my former schoolmates have never had a girlfriend or a serious relationship of any kind!
That group of men gets by on beer, bbq and br0-culture, and video games and/or American tv series. They almost all work in some low-wage job or welfare, giving fuckall about what is going to happen in the next 10, 20 or 30 years.
They are, by definition, MGTOW, without even realizing it.

Not all of them had troubled childhoods, and even though most live by themselves by now, they invest zero effort into self-improvement or advancing themselves in life.
They are exactly as described in the article - minus being "beautiful."

I am preparing a series of posts pointing out the root causes for this development, but if you need a hint for the real driving force behind this process, then the mouse-utopia experiments should give you a hint: Overpopulation.

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Post: #34

(12-04-2014 11:29 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  In some unexpected way, some gay men are forming a vital part of masculinity's future phalanxes. There is an element to that culture that, we must admit, has performed an important function in the preservation of the masculine ethos down through the ages.

Perhaps homosexuality's sexual inversion enables its adherents to focus their strict attentions on the virtues, ethics, and behaviors that compose the male spirit.

Or perhaps, freed from the subliminal sexual need to seek approval from women, they are more willing to speak the truth and fight for it.

It may not be our choice of lifestyle, but credit must be given where due.

Ballsy comment. It might be true. I see things as a struggle for freedom. The feminine / feminist sensibility is more authoritarian and arbitrary. Men want freedom and justice.

Gay men are often the first to call bullshit on things. Glenn Greenwald, Gore Vidal, Oscar Wilde and Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com come to mind.

Post: #35

(12-05-2014 05:02 AM)rhr Wrote:  I am preparing a series of posts pointing out the root causes for this development, but if you need a hint for the real driving force behind this process, then the mouse-utopia experiments should give you a hint: Overpopulation.

I don't think it is simply overpopulation. Maybe it is. But we don't see these same problems in China.

I think it is simply women destroying anything good for society for their own selfish short term gains. Men have no motivation to get married or have kids, because women have made this life style choice pure punishment. So all men have left is their sexual drive. But for most men, this is no longer in reach. Women want nothing to do with them at all and would rather harm them than even say "hi" to them.

They find other outlets and basically give up on life. As bad as things are getting legally for men in the USA and economically, if you cannot escape the USA, I would much more recommend on keeping the giving up option in your back pocket.

Post: #36

(12-05-2014 05:02 AM)rhr Wrote:  if you need a hint for the real driving force behind this process, then the mouse-utopia experiments should give you a hint: Overpopulation.

You could be right. This would explain why the grass-eaters of Japan shun relationships (in fact, both men and women) even though there is little feminism or obesity there.

Post: #37

I don't think it's Overpopulation, it's just easy access to plentiful resources.
There is no more drive (dangerous harsh environment) for females to have to find a mate to shack up with, when the government pays for everything. So, they can have their cake, slovenly eat it, and the government cleans their faces, then wipes their asses after they are done digesting and shitting the cake out.

Post: #38

(12-05-2014 05:02 AM)rhr Wrote:  A problem that I see here on the forums is that we, as a group, are self-selected. Members on this forum are generally independent, mostly successful with women, and most of us have our shit together to some degree. Consequently, a lot of us simply don't see how dire the situation has become for most avarage men.

This is the key point, I'd say. Having began and spent a painfully long time at the very bottom of the sexual market, I am always aware of the suffering around me. It often astounds me how much successful players seem to ignore it, both in the terms of the suffering's reach and intensity, and the immense amount of work and willpower needed to climb out of the hole.

Even if you look at just bare statistics, the situation is pretty bad. But combining statistics with a barrage of living examples and stories is what provides most of the punch.

I can never stop being aware of what's going on around us.

Post: #39

(12-05-2014 05:40 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  I don't think it's Overpopulation, it's just easy access to plentiful resources.
There is no more drive (dangerous harsh environment) for females to have to find a mate to shack up with, when the government pays for everything. So, they can have their cake, slovenly eat it, and the government cleans their faces, then wipes their asses after they are done digesting and shitting the cake out.

This ^^^

The end result of women running society (54% of voters).

In China, where women don't run society, and they have been heavily overpopulated for generations, they don't have these problems.

Post: #40

(12-05-2014 05:09 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  ...
Ballsy comment. It might be true. I see things as a struggle for freedom. The feminine / feminist sensibility is more authoritarian and arbitrary. Men want freedom and justice.

Gay men are often the first to call bullshit on things. Glenn Greenwald, Gore Vidal, Oscar Wilde and Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com come to mind.

Gay men won't lead the way. The most mentally stable and cool guys I met were all pretty Red Pill by default, but you have to remember that currently they are receiving plenty of internal and fem-centric propaganda themselves.

Many describe that they are socially mobbed into behaving like normal couples and getting married or adopting a child, while in reality 98% have no desire to do so. Also their relationships are practically never monogamous. Their world is steeped in the same fucking propaganda as ours. The times of Oscar Wilde are long gone for them too.

Post: #41

(12-05-2014 05:40 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  I don't think it's Overpopulation, it's just easy access to plentiful resources.
There is no more drive (dangerous harsh environment) for females to have to find a mate to shack up with, when the government pays for everything. So, they can have their cake, slovenly eat it, and the government cleans their faces, then wipes their asses after they are done digesting and shitting the cake out.

You nailed it. For things to get better, they need to get worse. Feminism goes out the window the second those resources dwindle up and humans are left to their own devices for survival. Even in a less drastic scenario, men and women need each other in any environment where basic necessities must be earned rather than handed out, and in any scenario where security is legitimately threatened by manmade or natural sources (war, disaster, famine, etc.). Such was the state of the West until the late 1940's.

It must be acknowledged that humans, with the exception of those in third-world countries, are not living in a state that is natural to us. We're living in the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of human history, and both sexes are left bitter, lost, and confused in our economic bliss.

I think the smoke screen will be lifted in the event of any catastrophe on the continental US or Europe. It won't even take a push of the "reset" button or complete collapse, just a single instance of the frailty of civilization being exposed.

Post: #42

It is a very painful realization that you as a male are not needed, and there will be noone to help you other than yourself, and if you are lucky some male friends...

But, this truth can make you hustle like never before.

Post: #43

Basically, almost every single article, or issue, or topic posted here, I attribute it all to lack of conflict.
Once basics to life were not being worried about, time to start making up problems to fill the void that solving those problems left. First it was women (not being) in politics, now it's a hundred times worse.

Life has gotten so easy, that they can make up the most ridiculous trivial bullshit, into huge fucking societal issues.

Women living in hard ass countries, with real life threatening problems, look at these western "problems", and can only laugh (or be envious). Those women have to be pleasant, and attractive, and responsible mothers. If they aren't, then they die, or their children die, or life just gets much much worse.

There, be a good woman, live a good life. Here, be a fat, stuck up, horrible princess, live a good life.

Post: #44

(12-04-2014 11:29 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  In some unexpected way, some gay men are forming a vital part of masculinity's future phalanxes. There is an element to that culture that, we must admit, has performed an important function in the preservation of the masculine ethos down through the ages.

Perhaps homosexuality's sexual inversion enables its adherents to focus their strict attentions on the virtues, ethics, and behaviors that compose the male spirit.

Or perhaps, freed from the subliminal sexual need to seek approval from women, they are more willing to speak the truth and fight for it.

It may not be our choice of lifestyle, but credit must be given where due.

I was going to say that there is some irony in that traditional masculinity is being upheld & defended by homosexuals. It is also ironic that it is the gays who are attacking feminism as well. Typically, homosexuals are not masculine and often allied with feminists in applying the jackbooted stiletto to the throat of traditional masculinity.

Kudos to Milo and Jack Donovan. Let's not kid ourselves though, for every Donovan or Milo, there are literally dozens of masculinity-hating queers out there.

Post: #45

(12-05-2014 06:39 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  It is a very painful realization that you as a male are not needed, and there will be noone to help you other than yourself, and if you are lucky some male friends...

But, this truth can make you hustle like never before.

That is the essence of a true masculine man.

Post: #46

Some great posts on this thread but I think we as pussy slaying men forget how difficult it is for the average man these days. Of course we took action to become who we are, however that's why we are different, we took that action. Many men are unable to do that, they just aren't, they are either emotionally soft or too lazy. I'm looking forward to part 2.

Post: #47

(12-05-2014 06:46 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  Basically, almost every single article, or issue, or topic posted here, I attribute it all to lack of conflict.
Once basics to life were not being worried about, time to start making up problems to fill the void that solving those problems left. First it was women (not being) in politics, now it's a hundred times worse.

Life has gotten so easy, that they can make up the most ridiculous trivial bullshit, into huge fucking societal issues.

Women living in hard ass countries, with real life threatening problems, look at these western "problems", and can only laugh (or be envious). Those women have to be pleasant, and attractive, and responsible mothers. If they aren't, then they die, or their children die, or life just gets much much worse.

There, be a good woman, live a good life. Here, be a fat, stuck up, horrible princess, live a good life.

Excellent point. I'll add to it:

A major reason for the rise in the hysterical brand of Internet feminism we see now is that women in their twenties need to drum up emotion for themselves because their work-a-day lives lack any sense of drama and humanity.

In their natural state, women in their twenties are biologically wired to deal with a ton of emotion and drama -- that's the time they are best equipped to deliver babies and raise kids. There is nothing more intense than that.

With no kids on the horizon, women look to satiate the part of their brain that would be worrying about diapers and feedings with something else. Hence, we get rape hysteria, street harassment campaigns, sexual harassment issues, etc.

If these women were dealing with children full-time, this stuff would be an abstraction not something urgent.

Post: #48

(12-04-2014 04:13 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 03:53 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  Give women an inch and they take a mile. You give them the right to vote and next thing you know they are destroying civilization.

Society will not function well when most children are born out of wedlock and most men are not getting any sex.

...

Culturally civilization for the bottom levels may be getting destroyed by them as we move ever more into a Brave New World society. Fortunately due to technology and automation civilization can be maintained by 10-20% of high-performers.

Today I got a stark reminder of how little our male sacrifices and our performance are appreciated. A former LTR contacted me furiously over some minor thing that I forgot to cancel that still went on in her name. She even fucking threatened me as if she were some kind of Mob wife saying that she can do it "differently".

The funny thing is that the costs that might have hit her would be maybe 200$, but she seemingly forgot that we lived together for 3 years in the past and she was fully supported by me financially for 2,5 years. She quit her job and basically relaxed staying at home and having her hobbies. I paid for everything and even transferred cash just like that to her account, so she could go shopping and stuff. Even when I broke up our LTR finally I gave her some decent start-up cash and arranged for her to get a good job (the first decent one in her life). We split amicably and she met an Alpha later on (and ROK reader) and got a child with him. Now I did not care about the money back then, because I was comfortable, but this kind of behavior really reminded me of all the stories on Rational Male.

And now she goes apeshit on me over a potential 200$ bill?! A bill that I would pay anyway.

Fuck that - it makes me want to be a full-fledged Player and leave the part-time Player lifestyle behind (whenever I am traveling I am instantly single and my current LTR knows it).

Maybe the times for a stable relationship are gone - Brave New World is almost upon us.

Fantastic post!! I always say that behind a fantastic player is what could of been or will be a fantastic family man. Post like this are important to read once in a while to realize that if we fallow our instinct we'll get our balls served by these women. The worst is that they think they're winning this game, but they're really loosing in the long run. I can be a playa til I die baby, while you'll eventually just be an old bitch!!

Post: #49

(12-05-2014 07:54 AM)bojangles Wrote:  Some great posts on this thread but I think we as pussy slaying men forget how difficult it is for the average man these days. Of course we took action to become who we are, however that's why we are different, we took that action. Many men are unable to do that, they just aren't, they are either emotionally soft or too lazy. I'm looking forward to part 2.

Agreed. And the thing is, the barrier to entry can keep going up. From Roosh's How To Be A Great Man:

Quote:You’ll have to put in obscene amounts of work and be a masculine caricature to get basic sex. Competition will be insane. This is the inevitable result of worsening demographics, giving women choice, and eliminating gender roles.

As laws like "Yes Means Yes" become the norm, and day-game approaching gets recast as street harassment, the risks will only get higher.

Many betas aspiring to rise above their current SMV level may find the risks more daunting than the reward. If all it takes is one clumsy ("creepy") approach to land yourself in hot-water legally, you may never get the practice to move beyond the beginner-level to become someone who's able to make girls comfortable because you're able to approach with confidence.

Post: #50

Most men can't cash out when it comes to women in their lives. This is only getting worse. Being average is no longer acceptable.

However, even though I haven't been around long I know this has always been the case. That is, if you want quality women.

I still think we are fortunate in our generation and as a species. By being a top 20% men (in otherwords, being better than 80% of the competition) you will succeed with women in general throughout your life.

Contrast that to the animal kingdom, where most animals are lucky to get even a small dose of sexual success in their life. I might be wrong, but most male mammals as I understand will not get a chance to reproduce. Look at lions, one male in charge of a pack of lionesses and her cubs. For another male to have access to those lionesses, they have to overcome the alpha lion and take his position. When the male cubs in that pack become adults, the alpha male actually forces them out so he can maintain dominance over that pack. The newly adult males now have to roam solo and fend for themselves, with the life purpose of taking on an alpha of a different pride and conquering his position so he has his own harem. Most males will fail and not have the chance to breed and pass on their genes.

The males that succeed will have all the females who will all breed to ensure survival of the species.

I saw a documentary the other day, forgot the name of the animal. Some type of deer-relative with horns. Anyways, males fight each other to establish position in a hierarchy of males. The goal is to be at the very top, as higher ranking males will have a better shot at taking on the alpha male. Who ever is the current alpha has all the females of that group ( I saw 4-5) following him at all times, mating with him and finding food to sustain the group. The other males are constantly fighting among themselves for position and can't ever breed with a female unless they take on the alpha and win his number one spot.

Food for thought?