Post: #26

(11-19-2014 02:47 PM)JoeMusashi Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:36 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:  Nofap is giving me direct results. I get a lot more satisfaction out of interacting with the second sex and I seem to be flirting on autopilot, while approaching used to be more of a chore.

Tried it, 40 days.
I was flirting with almost everything "female" ..

Stopped because it gave me too much creepiness and "hunger look".

True. It also makes my mind somewhat numb. Even a day or so after. Semen retention via no fap is a big deal. And only release it with a woman...not the palm. With a woman, you won't be as spaced out afterwards....quite the opposite. Calm and confident.

Post: #27

(11-20-2014 05:45 AM)Pride male Wrote:  I used to dress like shit and women treated me as such.

Improved my wardrobe by buying clothes on a regular basis.
Wearing what most people are wearing, to fit in.

Leaving the basement. Going out where the women are is half the battle. Like Mystery said first step is to leave the house.

This is interesting.

A good looking guy can lower his value by wearing old rubbish clothing. A bad looking guy can increase his value by wearing new clothing that flatters his build and looks.

Regularly updating wardrobe is far better than one big splooge on expensive clothing. Fresh average clothes > worn expensive clothing.

Post: #28

Hitting the gym and putting on noticeable muscle mass. Wearing clothes to accentuate these new gains. Not talking or texting too long . The more I converse, the greater the chance of me burning the deal. Convo generally points us to meeting up. No other bullshyt .

Post: #29

Quiting smoking. Harder boners, feeling healthier and improved sex drive.

Post: #30

Before taking the red pill I've already had the musculature and social skills down. Wardrobe was no problem because 75% of the day was suited up or go home. I was doing sales, so opening and closing was always standard instinct , but the flaw with doing sales is that most of your humor and impulse building had to be hyper PC. When I started day game I was applying dry PC humor and timed my kino escalation wrong on dates, I was restrained by professional boundaries during personal time. The ultimate key is really really simple: Indifference. If she doesn't like your dark humor, she's worthless after I come anyway. Also, quitting alcohol except with a girl cuts the belly down hard.

This article really helped me. http://www.returnofkings.com/22489/dont-...-beta-male

Post: #31

When we get a number from an interaction that we think went well and the girl doesn't respond to texts, in addition to just saying 'fuck it' and moving on...which we should always do.....should we also analyze what WE might be doing wrong?

I've gotten a shit ton of numbers this year that didn't even equate to a returned text....so, is there something wrong with my game? It's starting to get into my head and I'm trying to figure out if this is something I need to analyze as I don't want this to start fucking with my head even more....or if it's something I need to chalk up to the flaky weirdness of women and just realize that I'm doing nothing wrong....it's just THEM ( the girls that aren't responding)

I mean, if they're attracted enough to be smiling, talking and asking questions AND responding to your kino ( I'm talking night game here ).....why aren't they attracted enough to respond to your first or second text?

Case in point: Did my first night game approach in a while last night. Cute girl...good 10 minute convo. She asked questions, eye contact, smiling, hugged me back when I hugged her. I got the number and ejected. Texted her 30 minutes later last night....and still nothing.

Then...I start letting this get in my head. I'm think: 'when she was typing her number in, robreke, you started complimenting her. It seems you were coming across too eager, needy and maybe a little 'goofy'. Even though the interaction seemed to end well with HER TELLING YOU TO TEXT HER....she hasn't and therefore it's a behavior you, robreke did, as to why she lost attraction or decided not to"

I had this happen a lot with day game this year also. Numbers but no text returns or just a few.

In a nutshell....when this happens should we try to 'improve ourselves' by analyzing our game as to what might have went wrong and make according adjustments? Or should we say....' I'm overanalyzing myself too much...I got the girls number and women are like this by nature...fuck it....NEXT!" ( I know that we should always do the second one...that is keep ploughing as it's a numbers game....but if there's a pattern of numbers not turning into anything....should we do more than just "plough and next" ?

Post: #32

Storytelling: I have an unsual background and have interesting and fun stories to share, but delivery was severly deficient.

Post: #33

(12-27-2014 01:12 PM)robreke Wrote:  When we get a number from an interaction that we think went well and the girl doesn't respond to texts, in addition to just saying 'fuck it' and moving on...which we should always do.....should we also analyze what WE might be doing wrong?

I've gotten a shit ton of numbers this year that didn't even equate to a returned text....so, is there something wrong with my game? It's starting to get into my head and I'm trying to figure out if this is something I need to analyze as I don't want this to start fucking with my head even more....or if it's something I need to chalk up to the flaky weirdness of women and just realize that I'm doing nothing wrong....it's just THEM ( the girls that aren't responding)

I mean, if they're attracted enough to be smiling, talking and asking questions AND responding to your kino ( I'm talking night game here ).....why aren't they attracted enough to respond to your first or second text?

Case in point: Did my first night game approach in a while last night. Cute girl...good 10 minute convo. She asked questions, eye contact, smiling, hugged me back when I hugged her. I got the number and ejected. Texted her 30 minutes later last night....and still nothing.

Then...I start letting this get in my head. I'm think: 'when she was typing her number in, robreke, you started complimenting her. It seems you were coming across too eager, needy and maybe a little 'goofy'. Even though the interaction seemed to end well with HER TELLING YOU TO TEXT HER....she hasn't and therefore it's a behavior you, robreke did, as to why she lost attraction or decided not to"

I had this happen a lot with day game this year also. Numbers but no text returns or just a few.

In a nutshell....when this happens should we try to 'improve ourselves' by analyzing our game as to what might have went wrong and make according adjustments? Or should we say....' I'm overanalyzing myself too much...I got the girls number and women are like this by nature...fuck it....NEXT!" ( I know that we should always do the second one...that is keep ploughing as it's a numbers game....but if there's a pattern of numbers not turning into anything....should we do more than just "plough and next" ?

A lot had been said about not changing your default game if it's working, but if it's not working then change it!!!!

Post: #34

Smiling more and having more fun when I go out. Self development in general. Being interested rather than interesting.

Post: #35

About a year ago, I learned to not trust what my eyes see. I can't tell you how many times a girl had that "bitch-face look" or was wearing headphones, only to stop and listen to what I had to say. I used to avoid, but now I don't really think about it.

Post: #36

Positive energy.

I dropped the asshole/salty bastard game that I had been running for a while and the quality of my bangs has gone up significantly. Not to mention I enjoy the process a lot more now. I'm not going out thirsty. I'm going out to have fun, and that has made a world of different.

I think I am finally coming into my own, understanding myself, who I am as a player, and what I want out of the game.

Post: #37

2 things that really improved my game were learning how to GO IN STRONG & LEAD on every level possible even without needing a girl to put any effort into the interaction.

I used to be much more "careful" and too passive in general which in real life manifested with giving girls too much power in the interaction, trying to be too casual and "accidental", waiting for signals, etc. Basically I treated game like a dance where both parties put in their 50% so it can flow naturally. And because both sides, me and the girl, put in their half assed effort and kind of hoped for smooth sailing and waited for each other to show their cards a lot of times things ended nowhere.

Lessons learned:

#1. GOING IN STRONG
I learned that breaking the ice is done best when I take over the interaction with my presence and own it. Whether it's cold approach or introduction by a friend or whatever strong subcommunication [body language, eye contact, voice/projection] is the key thing that makes all the difference. When it's all there it just hooks. People notice. Girls perk up. Energy around changes. Balls are present. Vibe is set. Intent is felt. People focus on you. If interactions don't hook at first it's because of going in too weak.

#2. LEADING HARD
Leading hard from start to finish is the way to go. What does it mean? If I like a girl I talk to her whether she notices me or not. If she doesn't leave it's going good. Moving around early on by default even if it's just few meters. Talking about what I feel like or changing topics as I wish without trying to transition smoothly from one topic to another. Coming up with random things to do. Trying to move things forward even without having a plan. Constantly making moves whether overt signals are there or not. If things go nowhere later on it's because of lack of leading.


That's how I view pickup now. Go in strong & lead. This is it.

Post: #38

(12-28-2014 05:52 PM)XXL Wrote:  2 things that really improved my game were learning how to GO IN STRONG & LEAD on every level possible even without needing a girl to put any effort into the interaction.

I used to be much more "careful" and too passive in general which in real life manifested with giving girls too much power in the interaction, trying to be too casual and "accidental", waiting for signals, etc. Basically I treated game like a dance where both parties put in their 50% so it can flow naturally. And because both sides, me and the girl, put in their half assed effort and kind of hoped for smooth sailing and waited for each other to show their cards a lot of times things ended nowhere.

Lessons learned:

#1. GOING IN STRONG
I learned that breaking the ice is done best when I take over the interaction with my presence and own it. Whether it's cold approach or introduction by a friend or whatever strong subcommunication [body language, eye contact, voice/projection] is the key thing that makes all the difference. When it's all there it just hooks. People notice. Girls perk up. Energy around changes. Balls are present. Vibe is set. Intent is felt. People focus on you. If interactions don't hook at first it's because of going in too weak.

#2. LEADING HARD
Leading hard from start to finish is the way to go. What does it mean? If I like a girl I talk to her whether she notices me or not. If she doesn't leave it's going good. Moving around early on by default even if it's just few meters. Talking about what I feel like or changing topics as I wish without trying to transition smoothly from one topic to another. Coming up with random things to do. Trying to move things forward even without having a plan. Constantly making moves whether overt signals are there or not. If things go nowhere later on it's because of lack of leading.


That's how I view pickup now. Go in strong & lead. This is it.

XXL,

This is excellent and I've been waiting to hear something like this. I have been too 'timid' and sensitive in my approaches meaning...if she's not giving IOIs or asking me questions about myself....I usually eject. I gather by reading this, basically what you're saying is you will stay in set literally until the girl walks away. Is that it?

When you say "going in strong" can you elaborate? I gather that to mean you're making statements, telling stories, asking her questions and playing of of that. In other words , you're just being very chatty. Am I reading you right here? Could you give an example?

Post: #39

When I was at my best in the game earlier this year, one particular aspect that really helped my improvement was this:

Place no value on anything that a woman says.

Seriously, I can't tell you how many times I fell for this trick early on in the process. A woman would say something, but do the complete opposite. It made no sense. That's when I realized that women will literally say anything to pursue their own interests.

Your time is too valuable. If she wants to see you, she will find a way. Otherwise, you are just a texting buddy used to entertain her when she is bored.

Post: #40

I quit answering questions so much. Until I see obvious repetitive interest, I skate around them until its on thin ice, at which point I can reevaluate if she's worth my time.

I just had a prospect ask me;"Why you do think you're so great?" I smiled and didn't answer. She said:"Because I think you need your ass kicked, and I'll be the one to do it." Ooo the tension. Silly lizards.

Post: #41

(12-28-2014 06:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 05:52 PM)XXL Wrote:  2 things that really improved my game were learning how to GO IN STRONG & LEAD on every level possible even without needing a girl to put any effort into the interaction.

I used to be much more "careful" and too passive in general which in real life manifested with giving girls too much power in the interaction, trying to be too casual and "accidental", waiting for signals, etc. Basically I treated game like a dance where both parties put in their 50% so it can flow naturally. And because both sides, me and the girl, put in their half assed effort and kind of hoped for smooth sailing and waited for each other to show their cards a lot of times things ended nowhere.

Lessons learned:

#1. GOING IN STRONG
I learned that breaking the ice is done best when I take over the interaction with my presence and own it. Whether it's cold approach or introduction by a friend or whatever strong subcommunication [body language, eye contact, voice/projection] is the key thing that makes all the difference. When it's all there it just hooks. People notice. Girls perk up. Energy around changes. Balls are present. Vibe is set. Intent is felt. People focus on you. If interactions don't hook at first it's because of going in too weak.

#2. LEADING HARD
Leading hard from start to finish is the way to go. What does it mean? If I like a girl I talk to her whether she notices me or not. If she doesn't leave it's going good. Moving around early on by default even if it's just few meters. Talking about what I feel like or changing topics as I wish without trying to transition smoothly from one topic to another. Coming up with random things to do. Trying to move things forward even without having a plan. Constantly making moves whether overt signals are there or not. If things go nowhere later on it's because of lack of leading.


That's how I view pickup now. Go in strong & lead. This is it.

XXL,

This is excellent and I've been waiting to hear something like this. I have been too 'timid' and sensitive in my approaches meaning...if she's not giving IOIs or asking me questions about myself....I usually eject. I gather by reading this, basically what you're saying is you will stay in set literally until the girl walks away. Is that it?

When you say "going in strong" can you elaborate? I gather that to mean you're making statements, telling stories, asking her questions and playing of of that. In other words , you're just being very chatty. Am I reading you right here? Could you give an example?

OK

By GOING IN STRONG I mean simply strong presence in general. Verbal game is just one ingredient of that. That's why I emphasized that "take over" phrase my previous post cause essentially this is how it looks. You break the ice in a way that people instantly focus on you and pay attention to you just because you're loud enough, take up space and expect people to listen to you.

Good example is watching Denzel movies. I know it's all fiction but the way he carries himself as a character and especially how he introduces himself to others is what I'm talking about here. People just can't ignore his presence.

Making statements, telling stories, asking her questions [verbal content] is secondary to that. You can say "hey [little pause to catch attention first]... what's that?!" [saying it slow with clear voice and strong cheeky eye contact]. When you do it decisively like that [what I called strong] girl will stop, zoom in on you and listen to you trying to answer or just say something back. It's the power of "how you say it". That's why breaking rapport tonality thing is mentioned in all pua programs seminars etc. Brad Branson even wrote a short book about this one little thing alone.

OK enough theories let's get practical now..

Daytime
Let's say there is a girl in book store near you browsing around and you want to chat her up. You look at her book and go in saying "hey [you speak clearly slowly and loud enough to catch attention, you hold strong eye contact, chin up, open body language, half facing her, etc]... don't buy that crap, seriously [you hold strong eye contact, you don't look around].. is it required to read for your studies or are you into psychology for real? [slightly breaking rapport tonality so that your question sounds more like a statement, holding strong eye contact, not looking around, your subcomunications convey interest, verbal content is whatever].. then don't buy that.. [little pause] really there's like 5% good stuff there.. btw why you're into psychology? do you like reading people?" [same good voice, face her more, looking straight into her eyes, relaxed body language].. [you keep on digging who she is etc cause you're interested in her]

You go in with strong enough presence for a bookstore to focus her attention on you. She should not ignore you. It doesn't look like you accidentally blurted out few words out over the shoulder commenting on that book. I should look like you actually wanted to talk to her and you're interested about what she says. It's engaging. That's the magic word. You're engaging right upon the approach. This way you are never creepy this way so to speak. It's the timid guys that creep girls out even before they open their mouth. The perfect balance is like a combo of stepping up to the girl but not hitting her. This girls can feel your presence. It's much better to go in stronger and leaving empty handed than chatting up meekly and softly trying to carry on that not engaging conversation out of pity doomed to bomb.


Lunch break at work
Let's say it's my break time and I go to kitchen to make a coffee. As I'm opening the door I see a couple of people there hanging out. Some drink some wait for coffeemaker. I open the door and I say just loud enough to grab everyone's attention "hi everyone, quite a party here [i move to the center of the room]... oh you're so unlucky [little pause, i talk to those who wait in line for a coffee] this coffeemaker breaks down every time I come in, we should bet who will not get the coffee today [little engaging small talk].. have you watched the game last night? [small talk to engage guys].. girls! you must have watched it, Real Madrid played in their new pink outfits how could you miss it?" [small talk to engage girls].

What happened? I went in. Said hello to everybody loud enough grabbing attention. Moved to the middle of the room. Engaged everybody with small talk. Threw some jokes. Dictated the vibe. Became the anchor of the conversation and the source of "good energy". Basically I turned sleepy vibe of the room into more fun and vivid. The verbal content is not important. You could say "I watched the last episode of smurfs yesterday.. guess what? smurfette got pregnant.. finally!". The takeover part is key. The way you focus their attention, they way you move and talk and set the vibe.


Getting introduced
Let's say you are invited to a party and you friend introduces you to her friends there. You can say hi and wave your hand or you can engage every friend one by one as you're shaking hands. My favorite way is spending few moments on every person to remember their name. So for example Jessica says hi. I'd say "the only Jessica I heard of is some actresses but they're not even real to me but now as I have a chance to meet real person named Jessica I'll never forget you" [holding strong eye contact and shaking her hand a little bit longer]. Stuff like that. And I say a few words [relative to their names or their looks/clothes] to every person when I'm getting introduced to.

Few times I entered the room and people were positioned in a way that I could run and high five everyone one by one left and right like a #1 star entering the pitch. It was great first impression.

Also the other way to make good first impression is to prepare shots and make a toast "to new friends" right after getting introduced. Works wonders 100%.


Party time
I was in a bar sipping my beer. I locked eyes with a girl sitting down with her 3 girls few meters away from me. We smiled at each other and I immediately put out my hand for her like I was expecting her to grab it haha. She stood up and reached out her hand too like trying to grab mine. It's on. As I stood up and started to walk up to them we were still having our hands reached out. So we finally touched and she brought me to her group. I said "hey girls look what your friend found!.. [pause].. is it because I look like Italian?". That's so superficial I even hate fucking pasta". Girls were happy to talk to me. Again, I engaged all girls at once. I leaned back a bit, talked bit slower and loud, held hands with one, shook hands with other, etc.

From distance it looked like I really got them on the hook. No guy would dare to interrupt me then so it looked like I took over the group.

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The one thing that all those examples have in common is making strong first impression. Even when it's very "indirect" [most situations start directly] it's not gay/chode/blase/meek energy at all cause your overall presence/behavior/vibe determines how you come across.

Post: #42

similar to xxl and his leading with strong energy the most significant improvement I've made was to just assume attraction and keep escalating until you get rejected

this developed out of necessity over anything else. I'm insanely bad at reading anything but the most obvious signals.

I've had multitle girls where I've interpreted most of their body language as disinterest until I see a glimpse of a smile or something and then I get it.

The worst is when they don't make eye contact and even look away while you're hanging out. I'll take them home and we'll be sitting on my bed and she still looks away and is really quiet. As soon as you kiss her though it's like the flood gates have opened.

now I just assume if a girl is making conversation and let's herself be alone with you shes attracted

Post: #43

(12-29-2014 10:19 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 06:38 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 05:52 PM)XXL Wrote:  2 things that really improved my game were learning how to GO IN STRONG & LEAD on every level possible even without needing a girl to put any effort into the interaction.

I used to be much more "careful" and too passive in general which in real life manifested with giving girls too much power in the interaction, trying to be too casual and "accidental", waiting for signals, etc. Basically I treated game like a dance where both parties put in their 50% so it can flow naturally. And because both sides, me and the girl, put in their half assed effort and kind of hoped for smooth sailing and waited for each other to show their cards a lot of times things ended nowhere.

Lessons learned:

#1. GOING IN STRONG
I learned that breaking the ice is done best when I take over the interaction with my presence and own it. Whether it's cold approach or introduction by a friend or whatever strong subcommunication [body language, eye contact, voice/projection] is the key thing that makes all the difference. When it's all there it just hooks. People notice. Girls perk up. Energy around changes. Balls are present. Vibe is set. Intent is felt. People focus on you. If interactions don't hook at first it's because of going in too weak.

#2. LEADING HARD
Leading hard from start to finish is the way to go. What does it mean? If I like a girl I talk to her whether she notices me or not. If she doesn't leave it's going good. Moving around early on by default even if it's just few meters. Talking about what I feel like or changing topics as I wish without trying to transition smoothly from one topic to another. Coming up with random things to do. Trying to move things forward even without having a plan. Constantly making moves whether overt signals are there or not. If things go nowhere later on it's because of lack of leading.


That's how I view pickup now. Go in strong & lead. This is it.

XXL,

This is excellent and I've been waiting to hear something like this. I have been too 'timid' and sensitive in my approaches meaning...if she's not giving IOIs or asking me questions about myself....I usually eject. I gather by reading this, basically what you're saying is you will stay in set literally until the girl walks away. Is that it?

When you say "going in strong" can you elaborate? I gather that to mean you're making statements, telling stories, asking her questions and playing of of that. In other words , you're just being very chatty. Am I reading you right here? Could you give an example?

OK

By GOING IN STRONG I mean simply strong presence in general. Verbal game is just one ingredient of that. That's why I emphasized that "take over" phrase my previous post cause essentially this is how it looks. You break the ice in a way that people instantly focus on you and pay attention to you just because you're loud enough, take up space and expect people to listen to you.

Good example is watching Denzel movies. I know it's all fiction but the way he carries himself as a character and especially how he introduces himself to others is what I'm talking about here. People just can't ignore his presence.

Making statements, telling stories, asking her questions [verbal content] is secondary to that. You can say "hey [little pause to catch attention first]... what's that?!" [saying it slow with clear voice and strong cheeky eye contact]. When you do it decisively like that [what I called strong] girl will stop, zoom in on you and listen to you trying to answer or just say something back. It's the power of "how you say it". That's why breaking rapport tonality thing is mentioned in all pua programs seminars etc. Brad Branson even wrote a short book about this one little thing alone.

OK enough theories let's get practical now..

Daytime
Let's say there is a girl in book store near you browsing around and you want to chat her up. You look at her book and go in saying "hey [you speak clearly slowly and loud enough to catch attention, you hold strong eye contact, chin up, open body language, half facing her, etc]... don't buy that crap, seriously [you hold strong eye contact, you don't look around].. is it required to read for your studies or are you into psychology for real? [slightly breaking rapport tonality so that your question sounds more like a statement, holding strong eye contact, not looking around, your subcomunications convey interest, verbal content is whatever].. then don't buy that.. [little pause] really there's like 5% good stuff there.. btw why you're into psychology? do you like reading people?" [same good voice, face her more, looking straight into her eyes, relaxed body language].. [you keep on digging who she is etc cause you're interested in her]

You go in with strong enough presence for a bookstore to focus her attention on you. She should not ignore you. It doesn't look like you accidentally blurted out few words out over the shoulder commenting on that book. I should look like you actually wanted to talk to her and you're interested about what she says. It's engaging. That's the magic word. You're engaging right upon the approach. This way you are never creepy this way so to speak. It's the timid guys that creep girls out even before they open their mouth. The perfect balance is like a combo of stepping up to the girl but not hitting her. This girls can feel your presence. It's much better to go in stronger and leaving empty handed than chatting up meekly and softly trying to carry on that not engaging conversation out of pity doomed to bomb.


Lunch break at work
Let's say it's my break time and I go to kitchen to make a coffee. As I'm opening the door I see a couple of people there hanging out. Some drink some wait for coffeemaker. I open the door and I say just loud enough to grab everyone's attention "hi everyone, quite a party here [i move to the center of the room]... oh you're so unlucky [little pause, i talk to those who wait in line for a coffee] this coffeemaker breaks down every time I come in, we should bet who will not get the coffee today [little engaging small talk].. have you watched the game last night? [small talk to engage guys].. girls! you must have watched it, Real Madrid played in their new pink outfits how could you miss it?" [small talk to engage girls].

What happened? I went in. Said hello to everybody loud enough grabbing attention. Moved to the middle of the room. Engaged everybody with small talk. Threw some jokes. Dictated the vibe. Became the anchor of the conversation and the source of "good energy". Basically I turned sleepy vibe of the room into more fun and vivid. The verbal content is not important. You could say "I watched the last episode of smurfs yesterday.. guess what? smurfette got pregnant.. finally!". The takeover part is key. The way you focus their attention, they way you move and talk and set the vibe.


Getting introduced
Let's say you are invited to a party and you friend introduces you to her friends there. You can say hi and wave your hand or you can engage every friend one by one as you're shaking hands. My favorite way is spending few moments on every person to remember their name. So for example Jessica says hi. I'd say "the only Jessica I heard of is some actresses but they're not even real to me but now as I have a chance to meet real person named Jessica I'll never forget you" [holding strong eye contact and shaking her hand a little bit longer]. Stuff like that. And I say a few words [relative to their names or their looks/clothes] to every person when I'm getting introduced to.

Few times I entered the room and people were positioned in a way that I could run and high five everyone one by one left and right like a #1 star entering the pitch. It was great first impression.

Also the other way to make good first impression is to prepare shots and make a toast "to new friends" right after getting introduced. Works wonders 100%.


Party time
I was in a bar sipping my beer. I locked eyes with a girl sitting down with her 3 girls few meters away from me. We smiled at each other and I immediately put out my hand for her like I was expecting her to grab it haha. She stood up and reached out her hand too like trying to grab mine. It's on. As I stood up and started to walk up to them we were still having our hands reached out. So we finally touched and she brought me to her group. I said "hey girls look what your friend found!.. [pause].. is it because I look like Italian?". That's so superficial I even hate fucking pasta". Girls were happy to talk to me. Again, I engaged all girls at once. I leaned back a bit, talked bit slower and loud, held hands with one, shook hands with other, etc.

From distance it looked like I really got them on the hook. No guy would dare to interrupt me then so it looked like I took over the group.

-----------

The one thing that all those examples have in common is making strong first impression. Even when it's very "indirect" [most situations start directly] it's not gay/chode/blase/meek energy at all cause your overall presence/behavior/vibe determines how you come across.

Good solid examples here^ I like the Denzel analogy. I've always admired his onscreen presence and acting.

Post: #44

(11-19-2014 01:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  -Smirking when saying something sarcastic with strong eye contact.
-Giving her bedroom eyes when talking.
-Escalating as fast as possible (Team Blitzkrieg)
-I talk slower and deeper, I take my time. (I use to speak super fast and very enthusiastically)
-I can't emphasize this enough: Having a venue you have locked down. LOGISTICS.
-Timing: When to message a girl, when to reply, when to text, when to call.
-I drop red pill ideas within jokes.
-Disarming girls with laughter, funny/asshole game.

To be quite honest A LOT has changed since last December. I'll be doing a 1 year write up and a Tinder write up before years end.

I'm so bad with timing. How do you do it?

Post: #45

Mine was simply learning R selection daygame

Post: #46

Frame. When Im gaming a girl at the bar or where ever it may be, several times I ask myself whos playing into whos frame.

Dont get me wrong, there can be some genuine conversation and not the entire interaction is this thought-out strategic play on words, but at the same time, if you re reminding yourself whos playing into whos frame, it can definitely help you lead the conversation in the right direction, and filter out the women who are a waste of time.

Post: #47

Escalating faster.

Working on sexual sub-communication.

Rooting out the last vestiges of an awful belief system.

Becoming more "natural," by acting in the moment and authentically.

Post: #48

-Fixing up my posture and holding my head high

-Working on my tonality and enunciation

-Reading a lot so I always have some anecdotal story for any conversation

-Going after girls I thought were out of my league

Post: #49

Definitely posture and just getting the balls to say hi improved my game drastically.

Post: #50

Interesting, I feel the more you dont give a fuck about reactions, the more confidence you'll exude. For example know this one cutie who lives close who isn't into black guys despite us making out the first day we met, this throws me for a loop and my game with her is shit compared to my game with another random girl.