Post: #126

(10-27-2016 11:23 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 05:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'd say the biggest revelation I've had with social circle game is that it's primarily about high status guys, where women are currency.

Currently beyond my pay grade.

WIA

You can have status without having money. For example, local newscasters and morning radio show DJs have fairly high status even though their salaries are often very low, especially in mid-sized cities.

You may have missed his point. At least I understood it completely differently. Re-read his last 3 words. He's talking about a different Game altogether.

Post: #127

(10-27-2016 11:23 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 05:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'd say the biggest revelation I've had with social circle game is that it's primarily about high status guys, where women are currency.

Currently beyond my pay grade.

WIA

You can have status without having money. For example, local newscasters and morning radio show DJs have fairly high status even though their salaries are often very low, especially in mid-sized cities.

I've seen forum members say that you shouldn't worry about what women think when you choose your pasttimes or your career. However, it is true that certain activities or jobs do give you more status than other ones that may be more financially rewarding or even more satisfying. Having higher social status will give you more opportunities, not just with women. So, is it always the right thing to "pursue your dream" at the expense of status?

You do you and you attract inevitably what you are.

For me, no woman can make me happier than my hobbies, the rewards of my career and the light at the end of the tunnel that keeps me waking up hungry every day.

If you do what you enjoy and you are good at it, the status comes and the women come along with everything else.

Status is not a tangible thing, you can still get it regardless, it's more about social skills and identifying opportunities (network/habitats/luck) and taking them, be it personal or career.

To consider your ability to fuck women when it comes to such a macro thing is reactionary to the power the pussy holds over you and once again, your decision making.

Post: #128

(10-27-2016 06:35 AM)Noir Wrote:  500th post, it's been a pleasure gents.

Repped for a great post. Please make a relationship thread or a relationship data sheet.

(10-27-2016 08:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  And I wonder if there is a relationship thread already. If there isn't, that's telling.

I wondered the same thing. There isn't one REALLY solid thread on the subject, but there are many with good information out there. Perhaps Noir can start a thread on the subject.

I would definitely love to chop it up with you guys regarding relationships as I can definitely improve my relationship game but I feel like I have more of it than a large chunk of the guys here only because I seem to be less anti-relationship than much of the board seems to be.

Some good finds on the topic (maybe the thread can reference or quote the best from these threads):

Relationship Game
ONS game vs Relationship game
Time Machine - Roissy's Relationship Game Thoughts
Relationship Game Theory: Withholding Intimacy
Relationship Game vs. Notch Game

Ending relationships and related (harem management, I view harems as an advanced form of relationship game as you have to essentially manage multiple long term relationships):
Breaking off casual relationships with girls
The Modern Harem Thread: How to Build, Maintain, and Expand your own Group of Girls

Post: #129

(10-25-2016 04:50 PM)XXL Wrote:  I can write about that a lot. That's been my game style since day one. I can answer some questions if you have specific ones.

Sorry for answering late, was busy during the last couple of days so I missed your post. Anyway, I'd be grateful if you can answer some questions:

1) Tempo of escalation. Let's say I'm interested in a girl I regularly meet at some class, once, maybe even twice per week. I start chatting, flirting etc. and I obviously want to number-close as fast as possible before moving on. On one hand, it would be awkward if I asked for her number the first time I met her, but on the other hand, I risk being friend-zoned if I move too slow. Is there some guideline on this?

2) When you get rejected, there's always the risk word will get out to other members of the social group. Since there's no way of avoiding rejections, how do you keep a low profile? And what do you do when word does get out? I don't want to be constrained in my options when pursuing girls.

3) How do you use money to increase your appeal without a) acting snobbishly and b) becoming a beta provider? I earn a lot from both my job and rents so I would like to use this to my advantage, but the social status of my profession is mediocre. I'm not a doctor or pilot.

4) Efficient time-management of your activities. I'm currently in a rut when it comes to my social life, as I've lost some friends and acquaintances over the last year. I do plan to expand my social circle - in the near future I intend to take a Russian course and involve myself in some political activities within a local conservative organization, but here comes the problem of time. I work a 40-hour week and I my free time is limited. Do you have some tips on this? Expanding your social circle as much as possible, quality-wise, without losing too much time?

Thanks ahead.

Post: #130

1) Why wouldn't you ask first time you met her? You said you're already chatting and flirting with her.

2) Rejected how, specifically? To your last point I would never constrain myself.

3) Excellent query. Don't be a snob is the easy part. Picking up a hot girl without being a provider is easier than if you have a LTR with her. That's where guys get in trouble. My experience is girls don't care what job you have if you're wealthy.

The best answer I can give you is to upgrade how you dress. Also where you dine and drink. The venue itself can confer status esp if you look like a hitter.

4) Another good question I think mentioned before. Easy answer is online dating. Limited time-sink with huge upside.

Post: #131

(10-30-2016 03:37 PM)Khan Wrote:  1) Tempo of escalation. Let's say I'm interested in a girl I regularly meet at some class, once, maybe even twice per week. I start chatting, flirting etc. and I obviously want to number-close as fast as possible before moving on. On one hand, it would be awkward if I asked for her number the first time I met her, but on the other hand, I risk being friend-zoned if I move too slow. Is there some guideline on this?

To me you cannot be clasically friendzoned if you flirt with the girl cause that's how you let her know you're attracted to her. She knows that once you're both in private place it's likely you will escalate. I'm not talking about this innocent flirting I sometimes see in the office. I'm talking about being suggestive, using innuendos, throwing glances, etc.

I'd exchange numbers for social reasons. By social reasons I mean just to be in touch with her to be able to go out with other people. For example, you want to invite her to your weekly event or to go see new venues etc. Then I'd game her.

(10-30-2016 03:37 PM)Khan Wrote:  2) When you get rejected, there's always the risk word will get out to other members of the social group. Since there's no way of avoiding rejections, how do you keep a low profile? And what do you do when word does get out? I don't want to be constrained in my options when pursuing girls.

It happens when you're average Joe day by day and then you start courting the girl [or few at once]. That's when you can get rejected and if you do the word spreads and you're *that* guy.

The best way to avoid that and come off completely different is to be sexy flirty guy in general as if it's your way of being. Like when you can game a secretary in your school, a cleaning lady in your office, any girl you come across no matter how beautiful or ugly.

When you communicate on that level with ALL girls then you're safe. And I'm not talking about some over the top provocative verbal game. I mean saying stuff like "hey that's a very nice dress Suzy, what a pleasant surprise, you know women these days turn into men the way they dress, they could learn from you what it means to be a women, keep it that way, please...". A typical thing I'd tell a girl.

So you can either engage girls by talking about them or you can just say what what you think about random topics related to sexual side of life. For instance, every girl who knows me now heard too many times already that I love high heels, color red, certain dresses, long legs, long hair, women in sunglasses, certain perfumes, uncovered neck, etc etc. It's because I talke about that stuff too much probably. That's what it means to have intent. You express your sexual side in conversation on regular basis.

So that's how girls know what I'm about. It's not like I'm this ok guy who suddenly becomes interested in a girl and turns on his intent. No. It's a constant thing. A girl in office stands up to go somewhere as I'm walking by I stop and extend my elbow for her to take it so I can walk her somewhere. Stuff like that. It's innocent enough that nobody can call me out on it but still suggestive enough that she feels quite excited. Or a girl walks past me, I look at her shoes [snickers] and shake my head as if I'm dismissive, she laughs cause she knows I dislike it.

It means nothing really but it's man to woman communication, not friend to friend. I go to kitchen and my colleague is there, I say "you again? stop following me, you don't want to make girls X jealous.." so she's like "and maybe I AM following you, you're complaining? I got my nails ready for any girl who will start shit with me..". We both know it's just a bullshit small talk about nothing with sexual undertone but it's fun, way better than "so... how's it going today".

I'm not like that everytime with every girl of course but it's there. This is the opposite of sniper game. It's like trying to catch fish by throwing huge net into the water to catch them all instead of using fishing pole to get just that one hot fish.

So if I am like that regularly with different girls in general so it's impossible to distinguish if I'm going after specific girl or not. I cannot be "rejected" cause I'm not courting anyone. I'm just fun to talk to. It's refreshing.

(10-30-2016 03:37 PM)Khan Wrote:  3) How do you use money to increase your appeal without a) acting snobbishly and b) becoming a beta provider? I earn a lot from both my job and rents so I would like to use this to my advantage, but the social status of my profession is mediocre. I'm not a doctor or pilot.

Do not use money to impress some girl. Just show that money is not a big deal to you. I'm not making that much but I hate to be a cheap fuck. Often time I spend too much but I do it for my own fun and I just tag along a girl I'm with at a time. It's like I'm talking about stuff I like to do and suddenly I go "hey you know what? Actually I'll go XYZ swimming complex today, wanna come with me? it's gonna be great". I do it spontaneously and very casually. There's no trying to cater to a girl's whims. It's tought to explain it in a post, I hope you know what I mean. Anytime you're with a girl and you want to spend money just be very casual about it like it's nothing to you, like you just had an idea to do something.

(10-30-2016 03:37 PM)Khan Wrote:  4) Efficient time-management of your activities. I'm currently in a rut when it comes to my social life, as I've lost some friends and acquaintances over the last year. I do plan to expand my social circle - in the near future I intend to take a Russian course and involve myself in some political activities within a local conservative organization, but here comes the problem of time. I work a 40-hour week and I my free time is limited. Do you have some tips on this? Expanding your social circle as much as possible, quality-wise, without losing too much time?

I know what you mean. I tend to be very inquisitive about things and events that people invite me to. I hate going out to waste it in some bullshit place. I ask about location, people there, plans for later, etc etc. That's how I filter out stupid.

Some time ago I wasn't going to before parties. This is very common where I'm from. People meet up at 10pm to drink in their house until midnight then they go out. If I knew they will go to club I met them there after midnight. This way I had more time. Besides I knew they will come in happy mood whether I was there in house party with them or not so I felt no difference by skipping it.

As for lack of time it sucks I know. I go to work, I work out, I swim, I make music, I'm never bored. The way I go about it I try to tag along people to acompany me as much as I can. So lately two girls joined me when I go to swimming pool, others go with me to gym, others even go with me when I go buy groceries and we hit the mall together and have a good time [we might cook together after that also, I have to eat sometimes too haha].

So that's how it looks from my point of view.

I'm open to other questions if anyone has some.

Post: #132

(10-28-2016 02:41 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 06:35 AM)Noir Wrote:  500th post, it's been a pleasure gents.

Repped for a great post. Please make a relationship thread or a relationship data sheet.

(10-27-2016 08:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  And I wonder if there is a relationship thread already. If there isn't, that's telling.

I wondered the same thing. There isn't one REALLY solid thread on the subject, but there are many with good information out there. Perhaps Noir can start a thread on the subject.

I would definitely love to chop it up with you guys regarding relationships as I can definitely improve my relationship game but I feel like I have more of it than a large chunk of the guys here only because I seem to be less anti-relationship than much of the board seems to be.

Some good finds on the topic (maybe the thread can reference or quote the best from these threads):

Relationship Game
ONS game vs Relationship game
Time Machine - Roissy's Relationship Game Thoughts
Relationship Game Theory: Withholding Intimacy
Relationship Game vs. Notch Game

Ending relationships and related (harem management, I view harems as an advanced form of relationship game as you have to essentially manage multiple long term relationships):
Breaking off casual relationships with girls
The Modern Harem Thread: How to Build, Maintain, and Expand your own Group of Girls

Honestly, I think Roissy has written some of the best relationship game material out there. A lot of the things he has written about I didn't fully understand until I had the experience myself.

Post: #133

Point me to good Roissy stuff on relationships.

I've never read seen him write anything close to sensible when it comes to handling a chick within a relationship. Roissy, whenever she actually covers game, has always had a short game focus.

Dread Game, which gets credited to him, existed way before him and was better explained with more practical breakdowns.

I'd love to be proven wrong.

WIA

Post: #134

XXL, thank you for sharing your insights. I have just one comment:

(10-30-2016 07:09 PM)XXL Wrote:  Do not use money to impress some girl. Just show that money is not a big deal to you. I'm not making that much but I hate to be a cheap fuck. Often time I spend too much but I do it for my own fun and I just tag along a girl I'm with at a time. It's like I'm talking about stuff I like to do and suddenly I go "hey you know what? Actually I'll go XYZ swimming complex today, wanna come with me? it's gonna be great". I do it spontaneously and very casually. There's no trying to cater to a girl's whims. It's tought to explain it in a post, I hope you know what I mean. Anytime you're with a girl and you want to spend money just be very casual about it like it's nothing to you, like you just had an idea to do something.

I understand what you mean, my reasoning is pretty close to yours. Spending money on women is OK as long as it's not overdone, and as long as you're spending money on yourself and your entertainment foremost. She can tag along and provide company if she wants to. If she doesn't, it's her loss.

I guess using money as part of your game arsenal is quite risky and rarely discussed because (after considering all three components of a man's SMV) women can be pretty adept at draining your finances, whereas they can't drain your Game skills or ruin your looks/physique.

Post: #135

" I guess using money as part of your game arsenal is quite risky and *rarely* discussed "

It's constantly discussed here,, other game boards and anywhere men talk about women. Resource "game" is the most widely practiced game there is.

Incidentally?, it's also least effective game there is.

WIA

Post: #136

Shopping with a girl at the mall is an underrated activity imho. Even if you're supposedly 'just a friend,' you can get them to model hot outfits for you, stilettos, sometimes lingerie [easier than you'd think really], etc. Now they are thinking about you when they get undressed again. Girls, esp younger ones, love to perform and show off their body for a man.

Grab some food, try 'Flix and chill,' and you know the rest.

Post: #137

Vibe and functional humor. Having interactions with ALL people, with or without sexual undertones, that are fun and pleasant. Goldmund writes alot about this on his blog and in his books, but not too many others seem to focus on this.

There are so many people I meet that I want nothing to do with right off the bat - I'm sure the vast majority of them are good souls, but their shitty vibe just makes the conversation tense and forced. Other times, two people are just so different it is very difficult to be on the same wavelength.

I am not one to brag. I am a pretty average specimen across the board, but this is one area that I seriously have a 9th-degree black belt. I have the ability to match the energy of whoever I am speaking with perfectly and make genuine connections with people that are not easy to connect with, no matter their age, sex, or background.

A couple weeks ago I brought an older woman to tears after a 10 minute conversation at a bar - she kept saying that I was special. I am told all the time, especially by women, that my "energy" is special. Pets and babies are drawn to me like magnets.

I'm just beginning to learn how to tap into this resource and use it for more positive things than just getting one night stands, although it definitely helps me get laid. I am considering writing a book that focuses solely on this subject but I don't know if anyone would read it. It's powerful stuff.

Post: #138

I likes Eddie!

Some of these topics, I don't know how to break down into a step by step process.

Mapping out basic game, intermediate game, and advanced game, all under the two umbrellas of psychology and socialization..
It's hard to nail down how a typical guy raised in the West can go about this stuff.

WIA

Post: #139

Very interesting post Eddie - I'll second WIA.

That sounds like something most people could benefit from, and I can guarantee lots of guys on here would read and contribute to a thread for starters.

Would you mind elaborating on how you first became / remain conscious of this, how you develop it, and how you tap into it in different situations?

I feel like my general vibe is very good right now, as good as it's been in a long time and I've noticed how much it improves my overall quality of life, both with and out with women. I have some basic ideas on how to maintain but it sounds like you have some serious skills.

I'd like to learn.

Post: #140

(10-31-2016 04:08 PM)Khan Wrote:  XXL, thank you for sharing your insights. I have just one comment:

(10-30-2016 07:09 PM)XXL Wrote:  Do not use money to impress some girl. Just show that money is not a big deal to you. I'm not making that much but I hate to be a cheap fuck. Often time I spend too much but I do it for my own fun and I just tag along a girl I'm with at a time. It's like I'm talking about stuff I like to do and suddenly I go "hey you know what? Actually I'll go XYZ swimming complex today, wanna come with me? it's gonna be great". I do it spontaneously and very casually. There's no trying to cater to a girl's whims. It's tought to explain it in a post, I hope you know what I mean. Anytime you're with a girl and you want to spend money just be very casual about it like it's nothing to you, like you just had an idea to do something.

I understand what you mean, my reasoning is pretty close to yours. Spending money on women is OK as long as it's not overdone, and as long as you're spending money on yourself and your entertainment foremost. She can tag along and provide company if she wants to. If she doesn't, it's her loss.

I guess using money as part of your game arsenal is quite risky and rarely discussed because (after considering all three components of a man's SMV) women can be pretty adept at draining your finances, whereas they can't drain your Game skills or ruin your looks/physique.

Using money THE RIGHT WAY as a part of your game is rarely discussed here. That's true.

This pretty much sums it up: Spending money on women is OK as long as it's not overdone, and as long as you're spending money on yourself and your entertainment foremost.

When I decide to get carried away I do it cause I want it, not because some girl might like it. It's never for the girl. I do it for my own fun and the girl is with me at a time so she's involved in it as well.

Thing is, sure, girls like when we spend cash on them but... they don't appreciate it the same way that we think they would. I'm sure every one of us have already learned it the hard way. So from game standpoint, players know that it's not worth it to throw cash on girls cause it's not that beneficial as it seems.

Post: #141

You said it. The Right Way. The Way where it makes you happier than her, or equal. Don't buy them anything that's not your idea and doesn't improve their looks and/or your day and/or your sex life.

Post: #142

(11-01-2016 12:54 PM)Lagavulin Wrote:  Very interesting post Eddie - I'll second WIA.

That sounds like something most people could benefit from, and I can guarantee lots of guys on here would read and contribute to a thread for starters.

Would you mind elaborating on how you first became / remain conscious of this, how you develop it, and how you tap into it in different situations?

I feel like my general vibe is very good right now, as good as it's been in a long time and I've noticed how much it improves my overall quality of life, both with and out with women. I have some basic ideas on how to maintain but it sounds like you have some serious skills.

I'd like to learn.

Well then it's settled - I'll try to put what I do into words in a new thread tonight or tomorrow morning.

Post: #143

Great stuff Eddie, much appreciated.

Post: #144

I saw these rules from good looking loser, I've read a lot of it here and there on this site, but I think this is talked about, but not stressed enough:

Only meet up 1 time every 7 days OR 2 times every 10 days.
Only text or talk to her on the phone 2 times a week or 3 times every 10 days, for no longer than 20 minutes.
Ideally, your texts/calls are ONLY to set up meet ups.
You will make PLENTY of emotional progress in person, there is no need to give her free progress on the phone or text.
Set up meet ups no longer than 72 hours in advance.
Text 2-3 hours before the meetup to confirm.
Since you have already had sex with her, you can set up the meet up via phone or text. I usually choose phone.
NO LONG TEXT THREADS.
NO LONG PHONE CALLS.
NO WHATS APP, AOL IM, BLACKBERRY MESSENGER, FACEBOOK CHAT*, EMAIL, EVER
Don’t answer her text if it breaks rule #2.
Don’t answer her phone call if it breaks rule #2.
Be busy, or pretend to be.
On weekends, DO NOT contact her unless you are setting up a meet up. She should be wondering who you are fucking on Friday and Saturday night.
Try to get off the phone first (thanks David DeAngelo!).
Every time you meet up with her, have sex. This is important.

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What are your thoughts?