Post: #101

The concept of negative social proof

Ie when everyone sees some spammy approach monkey pinballing around the bar like a blue arsed fly getting shot down left right and center. Basically his card is marked and he's not only burned himself out of the venue, you're also burned out too by merely associating with him

Never seen anything written about this, yet it is a very real phenomenon

Post: #102

Human nature factor is completely ignored. All I used to read was how all women, especially hot ones, are those incredible creatures with 6th sense from out of this world who pick only top notch self actualized guys so that our game, body and everything has to be 10 to even have a shot.

Hmm.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Whereas most girls, ESPECIALLY HOT ONES, have no idea what they want and usually pick the worst guys they can. The worst for them. And this is where human nature factor comes into the big picture. People in general tend to not pick and choose what's best for them. There are plenty of different reasons for this like upbringing, peer pressure, mental problems, living conditions, past life experiences, past boyfriends, father figure in their life [or lack of it], personality, etc etc.

It's not a excuse for us to let go and become a wreck of course. It's just make me sick when some theorist on his blog boasts about hypergamy and how women will fuck any guy who's objectively slightly better than you. Leave the house and see for yourself blog boy.

Post: #103

Treating a night out like a day in business - time management.

The reality is that going out at night is essentially a numbers game.

As with all numbers games, you need to smash through the numbers both efficiently and effectively when you hit something good.

I think approaches have been written about ad nauseum.

I agree screening needs more attention. Good Looking Loser has the best info going around for this imo. Honestly I'm sick of wasting time with girls who are not down to fuck.

Post: #104

The Art of Timing. It's Anti-Seduction to be scaring the kitty cats away or playing too cool or Over Gaming.

Post: #105

Access to women. Pretty much nobody talks about it. Only recently this topic has become more popular mainly because of RSD Luke's content and his social circle based methods. By access I mean how and where to find hot chicks and how to break into their circles instead of trying to every single one of them asap. I love that topic. It's so beneficial overall.

Time factor. This is quite huge in my opinion. It's linked to my previous point. Most game theory is all about how to make it happen right here right now. Whereas time plays big role in seduction. There's no such thing as "she can tell if she wants you within first seconds". It may be right for civilians with game. However for game guys it's total bullshit. Game is what converts. You can make a good first impression or bad one, whatever. It doesn't matter what a girl thinks of you at first AS LONG AS YOU HAVE TIME TO GAME. That's why time is key. If you have no time you better come correct from the get go. However, if you have access to her and time on your hands you have a shot no matter what you did.

Post: #106

^ To pair with that thought at least in the USA what no one talks about in larger social circle game which often involved mixed groups is that almost always the hot girls have been banged out by one or more guys (not even mentioning the usual multiple other guys trying to get in their pants within the circle) and there is a strange underlying drama, love triangles, histories etc baked in which are in my opinion a huge downside in the rush of gaming.

Banging a stranger is much more enticing. You also only have to impress one person. There is something about that which is much sweeter than social circle bangs on average where if you put in all that time and work you want to keep your reputation up after banging the girl otherwise the whole game is over for a single a bang.

Post: #107

(10-20-2016 12:14 PM)XXL Wrote:  It's not a excuse for us to let go and become a wreck of course. It's just make me sick when some theorist on his blog boasts about hypergamy and how women will fuck any guy who's objectively slightly better than you. Leave the house and see for yourself blog boy.

True that. On an average weekend night out I see a decent number of couples with hot girls and overhear their conversations about stuff.

I see the guys hot women are in relationships with on FB.

Some objectively have more "going for them" than I do. But I gotta say my overall impression of a lot of couples is: why that chick still with that corny nigga?

Most of my struggle with night game is simply gathering the courage to approach, escalate, and close in a tight sequence, and finding venues where there are receptive women making themselves available. I almost never find myself thinking "Oh wow, there are so many conventionally attractive rich guys with next-level game here. How will I ever compete?"

'Tis a mystery.

Post: #108

(10-22-2016 07:28 AM)XXL Wrote:  Access to women. Pretty much nobody talks about it. Only recently this topic has become more popular mainly because of RSD Luke's content and his social circle based methods. By access I mean how and where to find hot chicks and how to break into their circles instead of trying to every single one of them asap. I love that topic. It's so beneficial overall.

Time factor. This is quite huge in my opinion. It's linked to my previous point. Most game theory is all about how to make it happen right here right now. Whereas time plays big role in seduction. There's no such thing as "she can tell if she wants you within first seconds". It may be right for civilians with game. However for game guys it's total bullshit. Game is what converts. You can make a good first impression or bad one, whatever. It doesn't matter what a girl thinks of you at first AS LONG AS YOU HAVE TIME TO GAME. That's why time is key. If you have no time you better come correct from the get go. However, if you have access to her and time on your hands you have a shot no matter what you did.

Make more money. Create more influence.

Post: #109

Office game. Not banging your co-workers (bad idea IMO) as much as being likeable, indispensable, and surviving and thriving in the sjw/beta bitch boy environment that most offices nowadays have become.

Post: #110

1) Social circle game. I think this field is poorly covered by standard game theory, which mostly focuses on other game types (day/night/online). I'd like to read more on techniques suitable for situations where you regularly interact a certain girl, as opposed to cold approaches where you never see them again.

And also, damage control. You make a move on a girl, she rejects you, word of it gets out to other people in the circle. How to effectively game girls within your social circle without attaining bad press due to rejections, which are always bound to happen.

2) Creating/elevating your social status, and more specifically, how to use money to increase your value without turning into a provider.

Post: #111

Time management.

Most guys (except PUA's) don't have the luxury of wasting 5-7 hours of their week on just one woman to have just a chance to bed her successfully. How to manage better our time in the game?

Post: #112

The intoxicating power that finally getting pussy will have on a former incel. The slut hating MGTOW who finally bangs will become a reformed slut apologist overnight.

He is also likely relinquish any progress made in the game once he finds the company of a girl who can convince him he can't do any better.

Post: #113

(10-23-2016 02:44 AM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  Office game. Not banging your co-workers (bad idea IMO) as much as being likeable, indispensable, and surviving and thriving in the sjw/beta bitch boy environment that most offices nowadays have become.

I can say something about it. Thing is, it's easier than it seems but guys who crash and burn go about it the wrong way. They court a few coworkers at once, then words spreads and that's how they get bad rep. Office game takes place outside of office and it has nothing to do with dating/courting. Basic model is to be flirty guy, go out after work with girls [not one], have fun together, pull at the end, play innocent in the office. That's the rough sketch.

(10-23-2016 05:04 AM)Khan Wrote:  1) Social circle game. I think this field is poorly covered by standard game theory, which mostly focuses on other game types (day/night/online). I'd like to read more on techniques suitable for situations where you regularly interact a certain girl, as opposed to cold approaches where you never see them again.

And also, damage control. You make a move on a girl, she rejects you, word of it gets out to other people in the circle. How to effectively game girls within your social circle without attaining bad press due to rejections, which are always bound to happen.

I can write about that a lot. That's been my game style since day one. I can answer some questions if you have specific ones.

Post: #114

(10-25-2016 04:50 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 05:04 AM)Khan Wrote:  1) Social circle game. I think this field is poorly covered by standard game theory, which mostly focuses on other game types (day/night/online). I'd like to read more on techniques suitable for situations where you regularly interact a certain girl, as opposed to cold approaches where you never see them again.

And also, damage control. You make a move on a girl, she rejects you, word of it gets out to other people in the circle. How to effectively game girls within your social circle without attaining bad press due to rejections, which are always bound to happen.

I can write about that a lot. That's been my game style since day one. I can answer some questions if you have specific ones.

I'd like to see a write-up on that. Other than Love Systems' Social Circle Mastery (and that's in video format - I prefer reading), I've yet to see a satisfactory coverage of social circle game.

Post: #115

@Huey
Ask me a question then. Writing about social circle game is like writing about club game. It can take a book or two to cover everything from start to finish. As usual, the gist of it is simple, just like with anything else. The more in depth we get the more words it will take.

I'm sure you already know what it's all about so I doubt I can say something new. It takes work, effort and patience managing people and setting expectations. The tricky part is portraying the right image and keeping that in a way that benefits your goals.

Post: #116

I'd say the biggest revelation I've had with social circle game is that it's primarily about high status guys, where women are currency.

Currently beyond my pay grade.

WIA

Post: #117

Recovering from a bad move.

Scoping out a city and putting the *right* places on lockdown.

Honestly? How to lead a more interesting life. The answer will not be found in 'hit the gym,' 'make more money,' 'learn to salsa,' or 'talk to girls at the grocery store.'
I think too many egos can get bruised to have a truly fruitful discussion on this topic.

Salsa's a solid entree? What if she hates salsa?
You're a legit drummer in a rock/jazz/prog/country band? Great, but what if she has no interest in that. She may be less interested now than before.
That may even take her from an interest level of 2 to a 4, but how do you get to 8 or 9?



Random Pro-tip: Strippers are the best practice for Game there is.

Post: #118

Without question, "relationship game" is a much neglected game topic. Why? I think the reasons are two-fold. One, it's simply not as glamorous to write about. Two, it's actually much more difficult.

Think about it like this:

When Mr. Donald J. Trump talks about how the U.S. has poor negotiating tactics, he says something along the lines of how the politicians say "We have to stand by our allies no matter what," even if they're not paying their fair share to us. The same concept can be applied to women. If they're under the impression of exclusivity, and that you're not going anywhere -- what reason do they have to negotiate?

Just by agreeing to be a participant in a relationship, you're no longer a "free agent" and lose some of your bargaining power. Of course "never be afraid to walk away" seems to be the rule that rules them all when it comes to relationships.

Post: #119

(10-26-2016 08:40 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Without question, "relationship game" is a much neglected game topic. Why? I think the reasons are two-fold. One, it's simply not as glamorous to write about. Two, it's actually much more difficult.

Think about it like this:

When Mr. Donald J. Trump talks about how the U.S. has poor negotiating tactics, he says something along the lines of how the politicians say "We have to stand by our allies no matter what," even if they're not paying their fair share to us. The same concept can be applied to women. If they're under the impression of exclusivity, and that you're not going anywhere -- what reason do they have to negotiate?

Just by agreeing to be a participant in a relationship, you're no longer a "free agent" and lose some of your bargaining power. Of course "never be afraid to walk away" seems to be the rule that rules them all when it comes to relationships.

I feel like a book dedicated to one night stands needs to actually start with what a long term relationship can look like. Because overall we/"the community" believe that you can't even get into a decent relationship unless you sleep with a girl quickly.

Good catch

WIA

Post: #120

(10-26-2016 08:40 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  Without question, "relationship game" is a much neglected game topic. Why? I think the reasons are two-fold. One, it's simply not as glamorous to write about. Two, it's actually much more difficult.

Think about it like this:

When Mr. Donald J. Trump talks about how the U.S. has poor negotiating tactics, he says something along the lines of how the politicians say "We have to stand by our allies no matter what," even if they're not paying their fair share to us. The same concept can be applied to women. If they're under the impression of exclusivity, and that you're not going anywhere -- what reason do they have to negotiate?

Just by agreeing to be a participant in a relationship, you're no longer a "free agent" and lose some of your bargaining power. Of course "never be afraid to walk away" seems to be the rule that rules them all when it comes to relationships.

You're a commodity and have value. How you leverage that value becomes even more important in a relationship. I will touch on this in the final paragraph.

I think it is overlooked because a lot of it is circumstantial. The ways of getting a woman in bed is uniform but keeping a woman depends on various things:

- who you are
- what you bring to the relationship
- how you compare to her previous relationships and her entitlement based off them
- where your future coincides with her future
- are you a lover vs provider
- do her friends and family dig you, do you dig them, do your friends and family approve etc.
- the maintentance or improvement of your bargaining power

A lot of the above lead to her rationalization of your value and in turn lead to her behaviour pinging off on:
- your character
- how strong and independent she is
- does she listen to others opinion of you
- how replacable you are
- how many other options you have
- who is the 'hotter' commodity

The behaviour mentioned includes jealousy (her ego), respect (her ego's response to your self-worth and her pinging of self worth), trust (when you can placate that ego), submissiveness (adherence to your frame), kindness (if she is naturally like this vs her self-awareness to remove this).

It can be a battle of both of you acknowledging what you bring to the table and what is important to the other person and holding these traits hostage from the other person to get what you want, removing stimulus and generally playing a cat and mouse game of getting what you want via what you put in.

It's a similar concept to elasticity of demand in Economics. The more attractive, charismatic, valuable person in the relationship has the inelastic demand as they know what they can get away with.

I believe relationships are a lot about power hence the bargaining power and price. Framing is key here as you can view it as a zero-sum game (I do) but for the status quo, you frame it as a team vibe.

Hence, shit tests never end and it ends up being more about button pushing that leads to quarrels and turbulence.

I had an issue with this initially because shit tests are universal when gaming but in a relationship, they will piss you off because you expect to be past that shit. Then you realize that a) it is a woman's natural imperative b) it is her litmus test to test your value and that you are still the man she fell in love with c) she leverages it for attention sometimes, if you neglect her for your own battles d) she uses it to establish her frame and pings off your reactions to redirect her frame.

I noticed, my girlfriend thinks further down the line than I do and this ends up being a problem for her which in turns she tries to make my problem. This is just human dynamics rather than any sort of 'quick fix game' kinda topic.

For this reason, I think even further down the line with my future and I keep in mind whether she fits in or not.

There was a thread about dating older women elsewhere and to be honest, the main drawback apart from their biological clock is the baggage they bring in to the relationship from before.

My girlfriend is 27 and only ever been in relationships with her previous one being 5 years.

It's like driving a car from 13 and going for your drivers licence at 16/18. You can drive, but you drive in your own way. You need to unlearn that shit to pass the test and drive like a 'civilian'.

I reckon people don't write about this accurately because it varies a lot.

I could have gone into a relationship with a 21 year old who has never had a proper relationship or a 25 year old (at the time) who has been through several.

They are worlds apart from each other in a relationship despite responding to the similar type of game.

A lot of it comes down to expectation management. You can shape the 21 year olds idea and norms much easier than a 29 year olds but honestly, the 29 year old already knows how to cook, clean and please you.

The 21 year old can be willing to conform and do all these things for you but she will do it out of her acknowledgment that you want it which come usually from you. You gotta train her etc, amortization for a temporary thing. I say this without the intention of getting married to any woman for the next 5 years minimum.

The 29 year old will know that she has to cook for you to keep you around because she knows how it works. She acknowledges that if you are as high status as you claim, you are high maintenance and simply complies.

I think, if you were to write a book or want a guideline, it would have to be divided into cultural, age appropriate and socio-economic chapters.

This also is the reason it is difficult; people come from all walks of life and have varying experiences with women and respond to different stimuli, as do women in a relationship.

I can keep my girl in Abidjan because I might stand out and to her, I am the best option at any given moment. If I move to Miami or Marbella, chances are, I am not the best option and it might complicate shit because women are always aware of their options, it's like a stock market to them. This is why they gravitate to social media.

You want relationship advice? Are you her best option at any given time, in any given in environment? A lot of this is sure, your worth but also, how you treat her, do you still turn her on, are you still interested in her, do you have the human relationship verging on something special? Yes or no, is this her understanding of it at least?

If so, your woman will adhere, respect and fall in line. You say jump and she asks how high. Of course, you can expect jealousy from her which I believe is healthy.

If not the best option, she is already looking for other options. The shit tests increase because she wants to get that feedback from you to validate her subconscious feelings. She becomes bitchy and catty because she wants to push you away but frame it like you are the one doing the pushing, and bait you into little shit.

This is why a lot of guys have girls who don't want them to improve themselves too much, via their own self-esteem projection. Fuck those bishes.

These are my experiences at least and I don't consider myself qualified to write a book let alone a chapter on this shit.

This is because the more time you spend with a woman (I am 2 years in, living with this chick), the more desensitized they become to your tricks, your game, your personality and they begin to expect the things they liked in the past as norms and in extreme situations, they despise that behaviour. This leads to the next guy dealing with her shit.

You keep this in check by constantly improving (you need this to be a team game and her to do the same), keeping your options open, working on your own shit on the side and levelling up on the whole.

I firmly believe any guy can fuck out of his league but when you date, you end up keeping the equivalent of what you are.

This is why when guys are facing shit in their relationships, I have zero sympathy because you get what you put out there and if you can't pick up on the false signs, then you made a bad decision. If you cannot make correct decisions with regards to who you let into your life, who you want to fuck repeatedly and who you want to build something with, then you gotta downgrade your demands or simply level the fuck up. Life is all about avoiding shitty decisions and if unavoidable, damage mitigation.

My argument is that the bargaining power you lose is actually pre-relationship and you gain a whole lot more afterwards, as long as you don't make the relationship that big of a deal.

You have your life and you grow with her for a fixed amount of time but you will still grow, take over the world and smash your ambitions through the roof regardless. This mindset is what will quash all bargaining power because for every chick (your girlfriend) who starts to be dissauded, theres another 10 who are being persuaded.

My girlfriend was giving me uphill in the beginning and I anticipated this could end up being an issue later on so I pulled out my phone and showed her my WhatsApp and said “look- theres 4 other girls queued up to be in that seat that you are sitting in right now but the decision is yours. Do you wanna fuck around and play games or do you wanna be a team and level up together?”.

A lot of it is team mentality or at least, the appearance of it. In my mind, it remains a zero sum game but to her, its a team mentality and that's the important thing here. When her friends are calling you a power couple and shit like that, this validates her choice. It's little shit like this that's important because indeed, I sat and tried to outline what you have control over but at the end of the day, it's all circumstantial.


p.s. Its thuper glamourous to write about, to women at least. For us, it's all about the chase and reading LRs and quirky shit like that.

500th post, it's been a pleasure gents.

Post: #121

@Noir

Is this your first relationship?

And I wonder if there is a relationship thread already. If there isn't, that's telling.

WIA

Post: #122

Some interesting topics to be covered, how about some new threads guys?

I'd particularly like to see a Sourcecode thread on storytelling, as it's an area where I could certainly use some help.

Post: #123

(10-27-2016 08:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Noir

Is this your first relationship?

And I wonder if there is a relationship thread already. If there isn't, that's telling.

WIA

Yes sir hence my absence.

Your feedback is valued as always.

Post: #124

(10-27-2016 10:35 AM)Noir Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:00 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Noir

Is this your first relationship?

And I wonder if there is a relationship thread already. If there isn't, that's telling.

WIA

Yes sir hence my absence.

Your feedback is valued as always.

Had some of the same thoughts in mine. But I'll let the formerly married guys speak on it.

I need to get beef up my what's app though, lol

WIA

Post: #125

(10-25-2016 05:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'd say the biggest revelation I've had with social circle game is that it's primarily about high status guys, where women are currency.

Currently beyond my pay grade.

WIA

You can have status without having money. For example, local newscasters and morning radio show DJs have fairly high status even though their salaries are often very low, especially in mid-sized cities.

I've seen forum members say that you shouldn't worry about what women think when you choose your pasttimes or your career. However, it is true that certain activities or jobs do give you more status than other ones that may be more financially rewarding or even more satisfying. Having higher social status will give you more opportunities, not just with women. So, is it always the right thing to "pursue your dream" at the expense of status?