(04-02-2019 09:49 AM)Oak Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 03:07 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  As we repeated, additionally there are many girls who are not receptive to game, so you can find really few targets. And in some towns, if you have high standards, a solid game, international experience, model looks, living as middle-upper class, it's not unusual going for several months without any shag or even a date...
Shit I even think that Zac Efron is not going to get laid in Poland lol

Is it possible that Polish girls just aren't hypergamous?

I promise you this is not the case.

(04-02-2019 09:49 AM)Oak Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 03:07 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  As we repeated, additionally there are many girls who are not receptive to game, so you can find really few targets. And in some towns, if you have high standards, a solid game, international experience, model looks, living as middle-upper class, it's not unusual going for several months without any shag or even a date...
Shit I even think that Zac Efron is not going to get laid in Poland lol

Is it possible that Polish girls just aren't hypergamous? Or maybe they just have weird standards?

I can remember feeling pleased with my results there and then seeing the hottest girl in a club leaving with a skinnyfat bald chode with no game and starting to question if I should be so proud of my success. I can also remember DHVs counting as DLVs with some Polish women (especially travel).

Also, Polish women in the UK are notoriously slutty, but when I think about it, it's not with the highest value men. Some of their choices are actually quite odd by western female standards.

According to what I've understood from bojangles, Polish women don't really understand a concept of a man's value (intelligence, accomplishments, independence, leadership, socio-economic status, etc.), hence these randomness in pairings. It's good and bad. It means, if you've worked hard to become a better man, a Polish girl may not really care. The upside is, if you did not improved yourself, you may still end up with a very attractive Polish girl as well.

(04-02-2019 03:19 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(04-02-2019 09:49 AM)Oak Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 03:07 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  As we repeated, additionally there are many girls who are not receptive to game, so you can find really few targets. And in some towns, if you have high standards, a solid game, international experience, model looks, living as middle-upper class, it's not unusual going for several months without any shag or even a date...
Shit I even think that Zac Efron is not going to get laid in Poland lol

Is it possible that Polish girls just aren't hypergamous? Or maybe they just have weird standards?

I can remember feeling pleased with my results there and then seeing the hottest girl in a club leaving with a skinnyfat bald chode with no game and starting to question if I should be so proud of my success. I can also remember DHVs counting as DLVs with some Polish women (especially travel).

Also, Polish women in the UK are notoriously slutty, but when I think about it, it's not with the highest value men. Some of their choices are actually quite odd by western female standards.

According to what I've understood from bojangles, Polish women don't really understand a concept of a man's value (intelligence, accomplishments, independence, leadership, socio-economic status, etc.), hence these randomness in pairings. It's good and bad. It means, if you've worked hard to become a better man, a Polish girl may not really care. The upside is, if you did not improved yourself, you may still end up with a very attractive Polish girl as well.

So, what exactly do Polish girls understand?

A neat and well organized desk?

I really doubt the female outlier here in Poland. If a Russian 8 is with a chode she's also with his money. Women are women are women. Game wouldn't by and large work if this wasn't the case.

(04-02-2019 03:19 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(04-02-2019 09:49 AM)Oak Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 03:07 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  As we repeated, additionally there are many girls who are not receptive to game, so you can find really few targets. And in some towns, if you have high standards, a solid game, international experience, model looks, living as middle-upper class, it's not unusual going for several months without any shag or even a date...
Shit I even think that Zac Efron is not going to get laid in Poland lol

Is it possible that Polish girls just aren't hypergamous? Or maybe they just have weird standards?

I can remember feeling pleased with my results there and then seeing the hottest girl in a club leaving with a skinnyfat bald chode with no game and starting to question if I should be so proud of my success. I can also remember DHVs counting as DLVs with some Polish women (especially travel).

Also, Polish women in the UK are notoriously slutty, but when I think about it, it's not with the highest value men. Some of their choices are actually quite odd by western female standards.

According to what I've understood from bojangles, Polish women don't really understand a concept of a man's value (intelligence, accomplishments, independence, leadership, socio-economic status, etc.), hence these randomness in pairings. It's good and bad. It means, if you've worked hard to become a better man, a Polish girl may not really care. The upside is, if you did not improved yourself, you may still end up with a very attractive Polish girl as well.

I guess Poland is great for losers

The vast majority of couples meet through social circle/mutual friends/school etc. So I don't really see why you'd read much into the fact you see an average looking local guy with a decent looking girl. Its probably far more noticeable as the average Polish guy (especially in small cities) isn't particularly good looking/stylish, whereas the average Polish girl is more attractive than the average western girl.

Its also been mentioned allot before but the further east you go the less women care about looks. Of course they still matter, but less so than in western countries. A Polish girl who is at least moderately conservative is going to take an average guy who she knows well for some time who will commit to her for a relationship over some random exotic looking foreigner who approached her on the street. Its not really that illogical when you think about it.

Back to Poznań and the weather is in full, summery bloom. Alas, on Saturday the city seemed, day time, dead. Few lassies were kicking around, and anything resembling a feminine 7+, was locked down with a man hand in hand or in groups. Night game is a different story, but anyone who's been for a longer time in here, will quickly notice the bar environment for the most part is static - people keep sitting on their asses, not infrequently in a circle, with their backs to everyone else.

Frankly, had no opportunities. The best looking girl and also the best dressed I saw strolling down the street was "bodyguarded" by two full-on lycra mtb guys slowly pedalling on their bikes on her left and right sides. Couldn't figure out if this was a "threesome-on-wheels-with-lycra-on" approach or they've known each other but other heads curiously turned in that direction as well.

Was having a lunch, and to my left sat down two lassies, of which one was dressed up to the nines, tastefully and with graceful body, young hard 7 to say the least. As the opportunity truly presented itself, I opened my pie hole to talk to them with a non-committal exuberance, but I lost to the smartphone from the get-go. Either way, as I eavesdropped a tad later, the 7 was a happy mum of a little baby with a dad. What an irony - mothers dress better these days, then young Polkas, which seem to keep embracing the hobo, the angry, the feminist clothing styles more and more often.

My conclusion is that in a middling city such as Poznan, lacking the cosmopolitan fee and of limited diversity, and just of 500k population, don't bother with dg on the weekend. Don't even imagine you can come over here for a weekend for that purpose. That's an exercise in futility (and frustration in spades). Weekdays are much better for that.

Bodyguarded by lycra guys haha says it all! Hard going mate

I had a reader send me a barrage of questions and comments about how he's doing in Poland here in 2019. I'd love to be able to modify my original post with some more up-to-date information from some people on the ground in Poland.

If you have any thoughts to share beyond this, definitely let me know what you think. The reader's comments are in italics and my response is normal font.

- BEGIN -

On the one hand, I see it. On the other hand, I just don’t.

I feel like you need minor social circle to do well in Krakow these days. I have about an 80% approach to number close ratio – just under half of which get responses and usually some pretty engaged/flirtatious ones. But the leads die so quick. They won’t meet up and I even just got a text while writing this:

“My boyfriend says I shouldn’t give my number to guys on the street…I think he’s right. Please don’t be mad.”

But the fact that a boyfriend has to actually SAY this to a girl just goes to show how generally weak most men in today’s modern world are. Girls aren’t that dumb. She’s looking to upgrade.

The only high probability date I have after about a month straight of more than 1x cold approached to solo girls that for the most part really hooked is with a partly American Polish med student I med student. She’s cool but she’s probably a Polish 6 and it’s clear to me anyway that she’s thinking boyfriend zone.

Krakow is MUCH better than Budapest, Slovakia, Serbia, Bosnia, and even Romania/Bulgaria than all the other EE places I’ve yet tried for meeting girls…but honestly my memories of actually getting laid from cold appraoch more than 1x every 2 months in America still seem much better!!!!!

Do you hear anything from other guys who read your blog about Poland in 2019? I am getting OK Tinder matches but nowhere near the 100s you report. Everyone is bitching about PL on RVF including Roosh himself.

Let’s clear something up here, I haven’t swiped in Poland since 2016.

I have no idea what the current state of Tinder in Poland is, and whether or not I could replicate the same successes I found three+ years ago…

What do you think? If you use FakeGPS and port here are you still getting those Tinder matches?

…nor do I have the desire or time to try to figure it out.

Would Poland still be what it was for you if you came now?

I have no idea—but my gut feeling is no, based simply off of what I hear via the grapevine. I think something like Tinder would be worse, but I’d probably be able to get access to hotter girls via social circle and simply higher status. In simple terms, while the overall dating might have dropped—I’m also far more experienced, travelled, and wealthy than I was before. I reckon I’d do just fine.

If you think the prime countries / cities have changed a bit, maybe it’s worth levelling with your readers. Or better yet don’t – so the places aren’t burned...

I have little to no desire to continue writing and producing products around dating abroad. Simply put, it changes too fast. It’s difficult to keep up with how much it can evolve without traveling. A lot.

In addition, the general guy who is looking to get abroad is often times trying to do so while simultaneously spending the least amount of money (i.e. it's hard to do business like that).

But anyways, sure, I can level with y’all.

From what I *hear* out in the world, it is getting harder and harder. I also believe that a place like RVF—which has made me so many wonderful friends over the years—is also flooded by this point. There’s a lot of guys that are joining now that are really starting from square zero (+ many lurkers)—not that there’s anything wrong with that.

But, let's just say in some of my group chats (many of us have moved off the forum and just use WhatsApp chats to communicate now, there's still plenty of guys who are getting plenty of action with some pretty damn fine looking girls.). This is a natural progression of a community, for better or worse.

Haven’t tried Sympatia or Night Game yet, at all. So will try those next.

1 out of 20 Tinder matches reply and those leads die fast. I’ve gotten two numbers total off Tinder (using boost, plus, gold, autoswipe the whole time – carefully crafted pics and bio) and they both ended up being a massive waste of time.

Maybe it’s just my relative social capital in both places, but I remember 2009-2012 NYC as MUCH better for cold approach than this.

Probably a lot of my game/value is only conveyed verbally – and maybe you need to have a certain amount of Westernization/education yourself to get the results I’ve gotten in the past. Maybe it’s a race thing that is a much bigger penalty out here than back home. But it is frustrating for sure.

The thing thats not terrible about the US, at least big cities, is even a girl isn’t going to fuck you if she’s cool and you cold approach you can still kind of add each other to your social circles. That doesn’t always lead to good outcomes becomes the worst girls tend to be the most receptive to CA, BUT in huge cities like SF or NYC where everyone is from elsewhere it can also lead to really awesome outcomes.

A big mistake of going abroad is thinking you are going to be an “insider” into a culture. In reality, you have to really, really integrate yourself before you can feel that way. I’ve been out here for over three years now and still don’t really feel much like a “local”, if you know what I mean…

Overall though, yes, the world’s dating market is becoming more…well, global.

A Russian girl in Siberia can now be approached by a rich playboy in the Côte d’Azur.

It also means your average American 9-5 drone—unhappy with the dating market in the States—can also approach this same Siberian girl. It goes both ways…

The main way you get spoilt in EE is the avg girl is so much more feminine and takes such better care of herself and you. And you can leave a lot of your cultural baggage behind.

But if you can’t fuck them and/or even if you do but you can’t really connect…..how much better is it really?

Relationships?

I mean, I get it, they’re not for everyone. But I think many a foreign women are on to the “game” these days. Foreigners who fly in for a few weeks, hook up, and then disappear into the abyss. They’re wise to it by now. What’s the point, other than a novel factor which isn’t even novel anymore because any girl can do it.

Simply put, times have changed.

You either adapt, or die.

- END -

If you have some thoughts, let's hear 'em...

So in the end the only good date after one month straight of approaching around was a Polish American student who probably was the only one to recognize some sort of game...
I would confirm that this is the sad reality of Poland nowadays for an experienced player.
Thinking to come for day game/Tinder and getting some good contacts is mere fantasy as of now. The only reason I can think for some foreigners to come might be because the country is still cheap. In Baltics and other EE countries they cannot handle the higher cost of life. Of course you might be lucky, especially with some Ukrainians or with the few foreigners living there but it's more like winning the lottery.
I have been traveling in Scandinavia lately and its definitely much better. But as you also said the world and the society are changing quickly, you have to catch up with the last changes.

This thread ranks second for Most Blackpilled only to the Trump thread.

The only reason I can think of for this is because people are still reading Bang Poland (a good thing) but frequenting 1st tier cities instead of doing the work and digging into second tier cities (like the book suggests) to find action.

But you know, SNL or Fail. apparently that's the prevailing paradigm here

(04-02-2019 10:36 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  Could it be that Polish and maybe other Slavic women have different taste in men?
I have seen many hot Russian girls with guys anglo women would consider a beta loser
Western women want a Chad type who has symmetrical face, strong and angular jawline, etc and you cant see these type of men in EE

in my opinion they prefer guys from other contries, like Spain or South America. They love everything from Spain, and most of them are learning spanish beacuse of the latino music.

In my personal case, i am spanish and it´s not difficult to score for me, i get like 50 matches on Tinder almost everyday

No

@HolyShit After so many years of Spanish, and Italians, French, Portuguese and other nationalities, going to Poland to get laid, and it's been at least 10 or 15 years, have Polish girls not realized what's going on? Any female college student from 2005 till date has met male foreign students and many girls have had their fling and yet you're saying being Spanish is still a big thing? I don't doubt you, don't get me wrong, I just find it a lil hard to believe.

Also, if you don't mind sharing, how many of those 50 daily matches are you able to convert to bangs?

Thank you guys for your posts on the Poland thread. They really gave me the extra motivation to move to a different country and I am giving Poland a break. It's weird but I am "forced" to move out of Poland since there is almost no good Airbnb available for the next month (prices have gone higher and quality much lower). I could find a one bedroom apartment near the center of Krakow and Warsaw for around 750 euros but not anymore.

Positivity and having fun when going out is not working nowadays but I've used this time to focus on creating some good content online (I have an online store, a blog and I am working on art projects). Although it's relaxing to have your mind focused on learning new skills and writing, I am lacking this drive, this passion that an attractive girl gives me and what makes me unstoppable. What some of you, in particular, Giacomo Casanova, are stating in this current thread is exactly what I am experiencing right now.

The more confident I become with women, the better I am at Game (to me game is mostly managing my emotions, bringing a good vibe and making the girl I like to want to chase me) the less interest I have with approaching most girls in Poland. I don't have an explanation for that but I am teaching myself how I could fix this and stop this shitty cycle.

There are technical 9 and 10s in Krakow where I spent almost 5 months and these are the girls I am genuinely attracted to (I have a hard time engaging a conversation with a 7 or 8 these days since they are not fun or sexy enough to me). These girls are either promo girls, work in slightly upscale (in Poland standards) restaurants or are models, actresses. You will never see these girls in clubs and bars unless they are promoting something or paid to show up.

During the day you might see some attractive girls but honestly, it's so random and unexpected that you will not have the time to calibrate the interaction and Krakow is not good for day game in my opinion (Warsaw is great for day game since it has a long shopping street and a big walkable park between the main subway/train station and the downtown mall).
Also, I spend most my time outside my Airbnb trying to avoid weird people/strip club promoters and slaloming the local and tourist crowd.

I keep learning from successful men. I realize the importance of becoming somehow a local cool guy or local celebrity. I don't know about "making friends" but how to DJ, dance, sing, anything arts-related might help me stand out from the thirsty uncalibrated male crowd.

I don't know if I want to "become a DJ" but taking the time to understand what it takes to become a successful one makes me understand why girls are attracted to guys like that instead of "high value" guys. The only guy who showed me some respect and seemed cool at the gym I go to turned out to be one of the DJ of Frantic, one of the upscale club around.
All the girls at the gym and in the club are looking at him and they smile when he is around. Being high-value is not being good looking or rich. This is being a normal human being to me. You exercise, manage your finances and have your life together. Being able to add value, understand people's needs this is where you become an attractive man. Actors, celebrities etc.. are good looking and rich but they are also skilled in many areas.

I don't want to blame Poland for not being successful with the most attractive girls around. I will keep traveling and experiencing different cultures but not for GAME. I'll just become a local DJ/photographer or local celebrity if it's what it takes nowadays. I know game, It's a soft skill. Now it's time to move on and learn new skills so I can be spending time around the girls I like and give them a chance to get to know me.

All the best to you guys. My next stop is Kiev

Funny you say you couldnt find a decently priced place. Two years ago, actually just after Easter and around 1st of May I could not find an Airbnb or private room in almost all of Poland, so I went from Poznan to Lodz for two weeks. Afterwards I was very lucky in getting a private room in a new hostel/hotel in Warsaw. Afterwards the nightmarish search continued when I went to Kaunas, where I had to move 3 times for 6 weeks stay. That experience has stopped me from travelling since then when I found a nice place in Riga, staying at a friends apartment (private room of course) in Riga for less than 300 Euro dead center.

Again, it seems like a lot of people are still dead set on going to these first tier cities thinking they are going to score like Roosh did 10 years ago. That is not going to happen, not even if you are Spanish which is not that much of a leg up. I've been living in Poznan now for a year and a half and every Spanish guy I come across is pretty white looking but better than the average Piotr, so I'm not seeing why Polish girls would even think that is exotic(besides the spanish). Not trying to bash on Spaniards here, just my observations and what I've heard from other Polkas as well. They are far more into latinos than spaniards as lationos have that lover/dancer stereotype. Cuba libre is a great club to see this in action.

For me it's been a dream, I speak Polish fluently and I'm Mexican so I'm fairly dark. I always get the same question, are you spanish/italian? Apparently latinos look more spanish than spaniards do according to Poles.

You guys gotta start going to 2nd 3rd tier cities if you want success and are serious about it. I've traveled to small towns and have been blown away by the English level there, the younger generation is learning English a lot. I've also been pretty shocked by how much they love Americans here, I've never been to another country that welcomes Americans as much as Poland. Partly due I'm sure to our willingness to defend Poland from their aggressive neighbor to the east.

As far as game goes I'm still figuring it out but here's my observation on life here:

-Women are starting to love that western style of Jobs/Independence, but at the same time not at the cost of family and kids.

-Domestic abuse and cheating from Polish men is a lot more common than I thought, men cheating on their wife's is almost a given here, and a lot of wife's here joke around but seem to accept the sad reality that their guy is either on ROKSA or off with a tirowki.

- I've met way too many married women who have no problem cheating with a foreigner because of the above. Not all of course, but I've had the most success with recently/in process divorcees. My god are they thirsty and the sexual drive is like that of a teenager.

-I love older(30-35) Polish women who take care of themselves (90% of them do), and they are very receptive to me. Also, they have their shit together most of the time, jobs, and know what they want.

One girl I meet regularly I actually met because she hit my buddies car, was impressed by my Polish and wanted to meet for conversation practice(her idea), 2 days later we sealed the deal. She is getting divorced because of a cheating husband so she thought it only fair to pay it back.

Maybe as a different tactic try out the older ladies, plenty of times they will be on a rebound. Divorce rates here are shooting through the roof, partly because of the westernization and degradation of the family unit and partly because the church is no longer being taken seriously in the control and judgement of every day life.

Cheers

JL

How are the venues, in terms of quality and quantity, in those 2nd/3rd tier cities? Would Wroclaw be a 2nd tier city?

Wroclaw is NOT second tier. Look for cities around 200k head count.

Wroclaw is like a smaller version of Krakow, completely overrun with tourists. Don't expect it to be much different to Krakow/Warsaw. Although I would choose Wroclaw over those other two.

What the other guys have said is right, you really have to be looking at 2nd or even 3rd tier cities. Katowice, Kielce, Radom, Bialystok are a few good shouts.

Thanks. The categorization can vary widely from place to place, but that figure and those towns make sense in proportion to the country's population.

I was dating 3 girls the last time I was in Poland (two from Tinder, one from daygame). I stayed with these girls in their apartments and even went on a mini-break to Munich with one.

I had to leave for 10 weeks, but when I returned to Poland guess how many actually met with me again?

Zero.

I tried to set things up with all of them, but was given non-commital answers and one girl even stopped talking to me mid-conversation on Whatsapp when she asked when she could see me again and I suggested a time. She ghosted at that exact moment. After what seemed like investment on her part.

So, three girls who I rawdogged and practically lived with 10 weeks ago had zero inclination to see me again, for whatever reason. Perhaps I need to run more comfort game during my absence, or perhaps they're just whores. These chicks were all low to high 7s, 10 years younger than me. Perhaps that's the problem.

No idea how guys can keep regulars in foreign cities.

Comfort game missing. Girls move like the weather you dropped a big ball with the 10 week hiatus.

griffin did you stay in touch while away or just vanished and resurfaced after 2 monthes?

That s normal.

Girls will let you rawdog them expecting you will start a long term relationship with them.

It happened with several of my fuck friends. After a while they get tired of it and go to a beta guy they can present to their parents.

One of them even stated to me: “we have to stop, you were my plan A but I want a proper relationship so you either commit or i go with plan B who is trying to get me”