(02-20-2019 02:03 PM)JaegerMeester Wrote:  The flakes are real here for sure, but I don't think they should be as bad as 4 out of 4.

Did they shit-test you? I.e. ask you how long you are there for or why you came to Krakow/Poland? Best shit to say is you work for corporate X or Y and here for business or short-time deployment - British tourists for a few days in this town don't have a lot of playing room anymore (and honestly; this is not only due to the chavs going for a stag anymore; a lot of the more permanent expats aren't much better).

I think Wednesday is also ladies night in Teatro - my advice is, go on Couchsrufing hangouts, find some guys or even galls to go with to teatro or coco, and once you get to your comfort level separate from the group and go hunt.

Or, just join one of the pubcrawls. You'll be in a group, it'll be less awkward, and if you are lucky some of the girls on there are up for something, or, better yet, some of the pubcrawl guys have some game and can be a decent wing.

I think both would probably more productive than to go to coco or teatro solo. At least more fun.

Solid advice. I found a well known pub crawl starting in 30 min.

Jumping on it. Will rep you later!

Will update later about my tinder stories.

Lol @ traveling all the way to East-Europe, in a Former Soviet-Union country, just to go out at a place like cubano teatro or to participate in a pub crawl filled w tourists

(02-21-2019 08:40 AM)HD668B Wrote:  Lol @ traveling all the way to East-Europe, in a Former Soviet-Union country, just to go out at a place like cubano teatro or to participate in a pub crawl filled w tourists

Correction: Former Warsaw pact country. Poland is not FSU.

But you are right in your observation regarding the pub crawl and westernlike teatro. Makes no sense to me too.

(02-21-2019 08:40 AM)HD668B Wrote:  Lol @ traveling all the way to East-Europe, in a Former Soviet-Union country, just to go out at a place like cubano teatro or to participate in a pub crawl filled w tourists

It's post like these that add 0 value to the forum.

You make a lot of assumptions. Not all of us have the privilege to live in another country for extended periods of time. Who said I travelled all the way there just for a club or a pub crawl? Clearly You didn't see the previous posts. I occupied my day with historical tours and also was working on an online project. I could have done that back in London but i prefee to be in a new country nearby and Krakow was an obvious choice for someone with no prior EE experience. Im also black and on my own so i would naturally go to a place that was well documented for safety reasons.

The pub crawl was because I was on my own and it was a success in getting a bang (not polish but read on). I broke away from the group briefly and got 2 numbers in frantic and 1 make out... but as already mentioned here ONS is hard because girls didn't want to leave their groups. However, IOIs was very real for me and I got way more than I do in London. Anyway, an American 7 that was in the pub crawl was into me. Some random fresh asian dude was trying it with her for a while but she wasn't interested so I danced with her and kissed in 10 minutes (not hard when shes grinding on me lol) decided to escalate with her resulting in the bang. Not polish but still new pussy and a flag for me..

PS, Just had a look at your post history and reps... obvious troll.

^missed the part that you are black.

Yeah, can be tough to go alone to a club with mostly Polish dudes, you can be a potential target for their late night frustrations.

(02-20-2019 02:03 PM)JaegerMeester Wrote:  The flakes are real here for sure, but I don't think they should be as bad as 4 out of 4.

Did they shit-test you? I.e. ask you how long you are there for or why you came to Krakow/Poland? Best shit to say is you work for corporate X or Y and here for business or short-time deployment - British tourists for a few days in this town don't have a lot of playing room anymore (and honestly; this is not only due to the chavs going for a stag anymore; a lot of the more permanent expats aren't much better).

I think Wednesday is also ladies night in Teatro - my advice is, go on Couchsrufing hangouts, find some guys or even galls to go with to teatro or coco, and once you get to your comfort level separate from the group and go hunt.

Or, just join one of the pubcrawls. You'll be in a group, it'll be less awkward, and if you are lucky some of the girls on there are up for something, or, better yet, some of the pubcrawl guys have some game and can be a decent wing.

I think both would probably more productive than to go to coco or teatro solo. At least more fun.

Just to add reply to your comments about tinder and shit tests.

Like I said, I have no problem getting matches with 7s and even 8s. Response ratio is good and I found girls give out numbers quickly. The downside was the schedule of these girls. I believe it's exam season which hampers my chances greatly. There's definitely a lot of scepticism naturally from polish girls especially if you initiate a date quickly. I tell them I'm here for work reasons and leave it at that rather than go through some elaborate story.

Will be back here for 3 weeks in 2 months time so this was more of a trip to dip my toes into my first EE country.

(02-21-2019 08:40 AM)HD668B Wrote:  Lol @ traveling all the way to East-Europe, in a Former Soviet-Union country, just to go out at a place like cubano teatro or to participate in a pub crawl filled w tourists

+1. Yes, I was that person and I wouldn't recommend anyone to waste their time there.

Especially if we're talking about a black guy rolling solo in Poland. I know Roosh told one of his listeners this on his Roosh Show about this too, Poland is not the best place for a black man.

I think Poland is more a country for finding a LTR than for ONS though.
Sure there are some girls who you can score ONS with, but they're usually not of very high quality. You have easier better-looking sluts elsewhere.

I sensed the girls were usually not that interested if they could sense that I wasn't going to stay in Poland for long, others weren't so interested or comfortable with speaking something else than polish too.

I noticed that there were a few Ukrainian girls in Teatro Cubano who would make out with several different guys (including me) before going home with one. They were now away from family in Ukraine to study so I guess that's why they released the inner slut. But I get turned off by that.

If you want to humiliate yourself to hover all night around a low 6 acting like she was some kind of prize and who have already made out with different tourist dudes, then Teatro Cubano would be the place. But I'd say fuck that.

I saw very few really hot ones out on weekdays in Krakow. If I did they were usually in a big group and hard sets.

Teatro Cubano is a pretty trashy place.

(02-19-2019 08:00 PM)khalidkcl Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:38 PM)Sleek2b Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 06:55 PM)khalidkcl Wrote:  Update with the Ukrainian girl. She looked exactly like her pics I would rate her 7.5... dressed in red tight dress.

Date went well but to cut to the chase, no bang... she refused to drink which made it harder for me to directly ask her back (usual excuses) and the fact she mentioned a story to me of a french guy who invited her back to his apartment on the 1st date and how she found it off putting. Anyway I noticed she kept looking at my arms during the date lol so I knew she was attracted. I kissed her when her taxi arrived (made an excuse to hold her hand when crossing to build more rapport). She messaged me later to we should go out tomorrow. No bang but I'll need to be patient... I don't know how else I could have handled it.

We spoke about dating life in Poland and she mentioned how Polish girls are really into exotic looking guys. She said that I must have many girls on dates... (ofc didn't tell her most of them flaked lol). But this makes me believe that if I was to stay longer here, I could do well.

Im not relying on her for tomorrow and based on the flakiness so far, i lined up 4 dates (2 from insta dms and 2 from tinder) tomorrow in the assumption that 3 will flake LOL. If all 4 flake then...fml lol. I'm going to be bold and ask them back so that in the event I'm unsuccessful, I'll go to Coco which is open tomorrow night and try my luck there instead of wasting my evening on dates that won't lead anywhere.

Anyone been to Coco recently? The general consensus seems to be that clubs are the best at 10-11... is this still the case ?

Forgot to mention, I've created a standard insta dm and sent it to girls tagged Krakow, filtered to recent and sent it to the girls that I liked the look of. 50 messages resulted in 6 returns and 4 numbers including 3 possible dates (1 flaked). This was all pipelined prior to arrival.

PS - I've noticed guys hating and staring at me when I was in the bar with this Ukrainian chick. Even we when walked out some random guys outside were staring and said something in polish and laughed. Just putting this out there. I don't think Polish guys are fond of foreign, especially black men dating their women (she could easily look Polish).

It is hard to say if exotic look is really an advantage... It is really polarizing.
Some girls told me the same... but in reality it is rather a disavantage with the best looking babes in my experience (at least now, it was not the case 4 years ago)
But if she is the kind of girl who goes to Coco, then she is part of the crowd who is into exotic guys.

I actually got ONS from there but it was like 4 years ago...so it is feasible.

I would recommend you to be careful and go out with other guys. Once I was with an Asian friend and some guy just hit him with no reasons (in the street), I had to separate them and call the police.

My biggest concern is the fact that I'm alone and the night life here makes me anxious as I'm a lone black guy. If I was with 1 or 2 other guys I wouldn't feel as anxious. I'm contemplating on whether I should even go out clubbing tomorrow. Getting jumped and hurt isn't worth some potential pussy.

How did your asian friend get attacked? Was it one guy? Was it in the club?

If anyone is in Krakow and wants to hang PM me please.

Yup!

It was in the street around 11pm (actually close to Frantic). Just one young guy.
Even myself, 190cm white dude, I was hit by a bottle from someone jealous.
I was dancing with a girl and he came from behind.

So shit does happen, you just have to be careful and pay attention to the crowd around you.

So you are back already or you are staying longer?

Congratulation for the success! Nowdays the only positive point about game in Krakow is the presence of foreign girls and Ukrainian and Belarusian immigrants. That's all.
khalidkcl was smart enough to go though this path and avoiding the frustration to deal with Polish girls.
Just few reminders, since many guys have information which are not updated about Poland. It's no longer 2011 or 2014 there.
- Those girls no longer care if you are resident in Poland or you stay long term, they instead believe that you are a sort of loser for coming there, even if your income is 3 times higher than the local average. You will have the same amount of flakes and rejections than the tourists.
- Tinder is a huge farce, you have a lot of matches but Polish girls use it to play. Big majority of them won't answer at the first message, another huge percentage won't give you anything to work with in the chat, another small percentage will agree to meet and flake. And no, it's not because of exams, I think that they do it by purpose, it's intentional. Probably they are just happy to see how much a guy could chase them, a sort of internal validation. They want to think they have a lot of options (while the reality is that they haven't that many options of decent guys on site). No more than that.
- Tell me a decent place to go on Wednesday in Krakow apart from Teatro Cubano. The truth is that the nightlife is completely finished in Krakow and there are no longer good spots to go.

One thing nice about Poland that I recalled (to change a bit) is that girls who work at coffee shops and restaurants can be damn hot. I still remember this girl who worked at a beer house half way from Warsaw Chopin airport to the city center, stunning and tall brunette with her tits pumping out of her dress, a clear 8.5.

This is a sight you would never see in Ukraine for example, where girls working in these places never pass the 6.5 treshold.

(02-21-2019 08:40 AM)HD668B Wrote:  Lol @ traveling all the way to East-Europe, in a Former Soviet-Union country, just to go out at a place like cubano teatro or to participate in a pub crawl filled w tourists

Hey, I fully agree with you. It shouldn't be like this, but that's the reality now, especially if it's a Wednesday and you are without a wing. Krakow, night game wise, is quite lacking at times.

@khalidkcl
Congrats on the bang!

(02-21-2019 10:56 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Congratulation for the success! Nowdays the only positive point about game in Krakow is the presence of foreign girls and Ukrainian and Belarusian immigrants. That's all.
khalidkcl was smart enough to go though this path and avoiding the frustration to deal with Polish girls.
Just few reminders, since many guys have information which are not updated about Poland. It's no longer 2011 or 2014 there.
- Those girls no longer care if you are resident in Poland or you stay long term, they instead believe that you are a sort of loser for coming there, even if your income is 3 times higher than the local average. You will have the same amount of flakes and rejections than the tourists.
- Tinder is a huge farce, you have a lot of matches but Polish girls use it to play. Big majority of them won't answer at the first message, another huge percentage won't give you anything to work with in the chat, another small percentage will agree to meet and flake. And no, it's not because of exams, I think that they do it by purpose, it's intentional. Probably they are just happy to see how much a guy could chase them, a sort of internal validation. They want to think they have a lot of options (while the reality is that they haven't that many options of decent guys on site). No more than that.
- Tell me a decent place to go on Wednesday in Krakow apart from Teatro Cubano. The truth is that the nightlife is completely finished in Krakow and there are no longer good spots to go.

This seriously struck a chord with me. I have been in denial about this for some time.

(02-21-2019 02:44 PM)WannaBang Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 10:56 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  - Those girls no longer care if you are resident in Poland or you stay long term, they instead believe that you are a sort of loser for coming there, even if your income is 3 times higher than the local average. You will have the same amount of flakes and rejections than the tourists.

This seriously struck a chord with me. I have been in denial about this for some time.

Struck a chord with me too because you sense it's true too.

Noticed the same thing in Romania.

(02-21-2019 02:58 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:44 PM)WannaBang Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 10:56 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  - Those girls no longer care if you are resident in Poland or you stay long term, they instead believe that you are a sort of loser for coming there, even if your income is 3 times higher than the local average. You will have the same amount of flakes and rejections than the tourists.

This seriously struck a chord with me. I have been in denial about this for some time.

Struck a chord with me too because you sense it's true too.

Noticed the same thing in Romania.

I felt differently after my last trip to Poland, which was six months ago. Polish girls in general are getting shallower in terms of appearance - they expect you to look good, the same way a Western woman would - but they still have interest in foreigners. The difference now as opposed to five or ten years ago is the cat is out of the bag and many attractive Polish girls have already had their "foreigner fling." Your appearance and timing have to be sharper than before, that is true. But being a foreigner still adds value in Poland. I will add though that Krakow has changed, IMO, a lot more than other Polish cities. It is a lot more stuck up than it used to be, and it was already infamous for being one of the most stuck-up cities in Europe, going back centuries.

(02-21-2019 07:28 PM)Buddydowrongright2 Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:58 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 02:44 PM)WannaBang Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 10:56 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  - Those girls no longer care if you are resident in Poland or you stay long term, they instead believe that you are a sort of loser for coming there, even if your income is 3 times higher than the local average. You will have the same amount of flakes and rejections than the tourists.

This seriously struck a chord with me. I have been in denial about this for some time.

Struck a chord with me too because you sense it's true too.

Noticed the same thing in Romania.

I felt differently after my last trip to Poland, which was six months ago. Polish girls in general are getting shallower in terms of appearance - they expect you to look good, the same way a Western woman would - but they still have interest in foreigners. The difference now as opposed to five or ten years ago is the cat is out of the bag and many attractive Polish girls have already had their "foreigner fling." Your appearance and timing have to be sharper than before, that is true. But being a foreigner still adds value in Poland. I will add though that Krakow has changed, IMO, a lot more than other Polish cities. It is a lot more stuck up than it used to be, and it was already infamous for being one of the most stuck-up cities in Europe, going back centuries.

Is it still better than Warsaw?

I'm booking a trip to Poland for sometime this year. Many of my black friends and non-white friends had a lot of success with local Polish girls. I'm gathering more info about it.

Usual unrepped guys and with less than 10 posts bragging about Poland generating "a lot of success"...

(02-22-2019 03:39 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Usual unrepped guys and with less than 10 posts bragging about Poland generating "a lot of success"...

That's because when you are "non-white" as the poster above said basically any girl with blonde hair or blue eyes is automatically a 9 to you. Doesn't matter if she actually looks like a 4 or 5.

(02-22-2019 10:39 AM)HD668B Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 03:39 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Usual unrepped guys and with less than 10 posts bragging about Poland generating "a lot of success"...

That's because when you are "non-white" as the poster above said basically any girl with blonde hair or blue eyes is automatically a 9 to you. Doesn't matter if she actually looks like a 4 or 5.

Absolute nonsense low quality post.

Perhaps they may place it 1 point higher due to novelty factor but you're talking out of your ass when you say all non whites would place a 4 or 5 as a 9.

Please keep things constructive and evidence based.

As a normal spaniard I have to say that it is easy to score with 5s and low 6s, but that's all. From high 6s it gets complicated, also because there are few 7s and even fewer 8s (9 or 10 are a myth, if so they are ukrainians there).

Also depends on your tastes. I am a face man, and therefore the butterface is a huge problem for me. If you don't care about the face, and you are mediterranean type, it is a good place.

(02-22-2019 01:14 PM)eck Wrote:  As a normal spaniard I have to say that it is easy to score with 5s and low 6s, but that's all. From high 6s it gets complicated, also because there are few 7s and even fewer 8s (9 or 10 are a myth, if so they are ukrainians there).

Also depends on your tastes. I am a face man, and therefore the butterface is a huge problem for me. If you don't care about the face, and you are mediterranean type, it is a good place.

An 8 in Poland anywhere if native Polska is a super rare entity. Really. She will have an army of Piotrs orbiting. I have one that is a sort of model on my instagram. The thirst is unbelievable. She is pushing an 8 and the face is still a bit butters.

I knew one black guy in Krakow who was doing very well in places like Frantic and I've seen at least a half dozen walking hand in hand with very attractive blondes. I think that in Poland you're either loved or hated as a black guy but there is definitely a niche.

Haven't seen any acts of violence against minorities but I did hear some stories.

I found Polish guys to be quite harmless. I've certainly hit on my share of girls who I thought were alone just to greet their boyfriend the next minute. It never escalated into violence and I'm not some tall jacked up dude. Just don't be confrontational, back off and eject yourself from the venue. If somebody hits you out of the blue with a bottle report it to the police, there are patrols going around and they usually speak English.

You're much more likely to get attacked in Western Europe thanks to the "cultural enrichment".

(02-23-2019 06:46 AM)Feyoder Wrote:  An 8 in Poland anywhere if native Polska is a super rare entity. Really. She will have an army of Piotrs orbiting. I have one that is a sort of model on my instagram. The thirst is unbelievable. She is pushing an 8 and the face is still a bit butters.

By definition, if a 5 is an average, and half of the women are average or better, by the time we get to 8, we'll be hitting at least one deviation from the mean, if not two. Just to remind, around 66%, statistically speaking, women would be within first deviation, 95% within second deviation. Meaning, if we ASSUME that there are 5% of women 8+ in looks, it means that 1 in 20 got that looks. Now, I think that's not true. By my standards, I need to see more than 20 women walk pass me to see one 8+.

My experience tells me, when in Poland, if I'm at peak hours around shopping malls or university, I'll probably see, over the course of a session, 5 with looks 8+ at most, and probably 1 with looks 8.5+ (bear in mind my 8 is a girl that could do some low-key local calendar stuff, some second-rate lingerie modelling or be a hostess at some festival or work in fashionable, high-end store).

The conclusion is, 8+ is not a super rare entity, you'll see them daily (high-concentration places, such as fashionable clubs, notwithstanding), on the streets, few, but they are there. Now, in terms of foot traffic, it's intuitive only, I've never counted number of girls that had to walk pass me for every 8+, but it may be no less than ca. 100, thus we're talking about third standard deviation which, by definition, encompasses less than 1% of a given population. If I see 8.5+ once a day, and a session lasts a few hours, then I must have passed hundreds of women, possibly, on average, a few hundred to a thousand? Not sure, difficult to quantify.

In summary, 1% top of something is, by definition, rare, but, perhaps, not super rare.

Going on a tangent in this paragraph but this is so odds with the internet experience - where, literally, every corner of the internet is littered with attractive women creating somewhat both disconcerting and frustrating dissonance when comparing to a daily experience of a man living a, relatively, average life.

One reality of this forum is that standards here are a claimed to be a bit higher than they probably are in real life. Then again every guy has different taste and the 1-10 scale is ultimately subjective. My way of grading is going to be different than the next guy’s. If five is average in the US then no I would not fuck the average US 5 as the average American girl is unattractive to me. But the average girl in Poland, eh, I probably would. All relative.

(02-23-2019 02:02 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 06:46 AM)Feyoder Wrote:  An 8 in Poland anywhere if native Polska is a super rare entity. Really. She will have an army of Piotrs orbiting. I have one that is a sort of model on my instagram. The thirst is unbelievable. She is pushing an 8 and the face is still a bit butters.

By definition, if a 5 is an average, and half of the women are average or better, by the time we get to 8, we'll be hitting at least one deviation from the mean, if not two. Just to remind, around 66%, statistically speaking, women would be within first deviation, 95% within second deviation. Meaning, if we ASSUME that there are 5% of women 8+ in looks, it means that 1 in 20 got that looks. Now, I think that's not true. By my standards, I need to see more than 20 women walk pass me to see one 8+.

My experience tells me, when in Poland, if I'm at peak hours around shopping malls or university, I'll probably see, over the course of a session, 5 with looks 8+ at most, and probably 1 with looks 8.5+ (bear in mind my 8 is a girl that could do some low-key local calendar stuff, some second-rate lingerie modelling or be a hostess at some festival or work in fashionable, high-end store).

The conclusion is, 8+ is not a super rare entity, you'll see them daily (high-concentration places, such as fashionable clubs, notwithstanding), on the streets, few, but they are there. Now, in terms of foot traffic, it's intuitive only, I've never counted number of girls that had to walk pass me for every 8+, but it may be no less than ca. 100, thus we're talking about third standard deviation which, by definition, encompasses less than 1% of a given population. If I see 8.5+ once a day, and a session lasts a few hours, then I must have passed hundreds of women, possibly, on average, a few hundred to a thousand? Not sure, difficult to quantify.

In summary, 1% top of something is, by definition, rare, but, perhaps, not super rare.

Going on a tangent in this paragraph but this is so odds with the internet experience - where, literally, every corner of the internet is littered with attractive women creating somewhat both disconcerting and frustrating dissonance when comparing to a daily experience of a man living a, relatively, average life.

I don't think you should be counting all women, just women of a certain age range, say 15-30. If you limit this to a certain age group, the percentage of 8+ girls should be much higher than 1% or even 5%. I would say for 20 year old girls, roughly 1 in 10 would be an 8+