Post: #201

(09-05-2017 12:41 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  What I don't get at all how did Cooper and Diane know where to drive (430 miles).

Cooper knew where to drive since the giant told him (first scene of first episode).

I too think that Laura was grabbed into an alternative reality, Cooper tried to find her and bring her back but he didn't really understand "how it all works". Basically, he got defeated by Judy at the end of the day, just like he was defeated by Bob at the end of season 2.

Post: #202

Malo, I think we agreed we will not talk about Judy. In fact, we will not about Judy at all!

4th season can perfectly be sequel to this series, as we didn't really get ending. Cooper in new reality is named Richard, he even changed motels when he slept with Diane.
So that means that motel room was in fact teleportation device.

Post: #203

(09-05-2017 01:28 AM)J_Sway Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 12:41 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Interestingly, I get everything until episode 18. To me it seems that Cooper is now trapped in present year, but in alternate reality world where Laura didn't die and was called Carrie instead. Seems plausible as black lodge, being an astral realm can give you access to various worlds and timelines.
What I don't get at all how did Cooper and Diane know where to drive (430 miles). Did Jeffries told them? There was so much unanswered questions. Don't care about Roadhouse, but for example, what was really going on with Audrey, or Horne brother?

Possible explanation: everything we saw was actually snipped down version of series and maybe originally it had 20,21,22 or more episodes but Mark Frost and Sabrina Sutherland said to Lynch to cut it down. So it became rushed.

Yeah, in the lead up to Cooper asking that final question, I was just assuming that he and Diane had traveled to the doppleganger dimension and were unaware of exactly how it worked in terms of who's where and why. Now, after that final question, I'm beginning to wonder just how much more of the story was told from a shifted time perspective, and what was future, present, or past.

I think it ties in with the whole 'dreaming' aspect. When Dale sees the blind woman who turns out to be Diane, his face freezes and is superimposed on the rest of the scene with that weird double exposure effect. I'm guessing from the moment the superimposed face suddenly blurts out something about being in a dream, he begins a transportation into this parallel world. The lights dim and he completes his trip when he enters the hotel room with the old fashioned key.

But I agree with some of these recent posts- How he knows to do all this, where exactly to drive once in this new world, and why specifically he picks that diner (aside from the word "Judy" on the sign) and knows its the other waitress he needs to speak to, well, that was not explained. He just seems to know exactly how to act and what to do, and we are along for the ride. That is, until the final scene at what he believed was Sarah Palmer's house, where he has clearly miscalculated something. Figuring out what the new 'rules' are for this particular reality will require a season 4.

Post: #204

Twin Peaks as we remember it (by collectively sharing in the experience of watching it) was never going to return, despite season 3 being titled The Return. Twin Peaks, like Lynch as a director, was never about explaining everything - (jow dey, jo dai, "to explain" in chinese?)The Mother of all evil as an explanation for Laura's traumatic life? Or an explanation being the death of a mystery, to kill the mystery is to explain it. Twin Peaks died once the audience, the dreamers, found out who killed Laura Palmer. From that episode on, Twin Peaks became "nostalgic" for it's initial run until the reveal. Twin Peaks has struggled with it's identity ever since - is it a mystery show? a horror-drama? a supernatural crime story?

We're the dreamers, for these characters live inside our heads in dreams - dreams we share together. (also: Cooper and Laura who had the same dream) We wish for Twin Peaks to be like it's original run - a passage in time and a moment that can't be recreated. Whether its 2017 season 3 or 1990 season 1, in our minds, Cooper is and always will be trying to solve Laura's murder, and Laura's fate was doomed from the first time we saw her dead body on a beach.

Of course, you could say it's about how evil always exists, but good persists nonetheless.

But like Laura wishing she had never been abused by her father, to live in a world where she never had to return home again, to turn away from her past life, we can only wish, only dream, for things to be different. Lynch is 71 and a lot of these actors and actresses have died since filming. We get to live in the present moment, appreciate the creations of Lynch's life, (largely formed from his unconscious = Blue Velvet and Eraserhead come to mind) and say goodbye to some of our favourite characters.

Post: #205

As flawed as this season of Twin Peaks was, it's sad for me not having a weekly episode of it anymore I'm going to try watch fwwm again, will be nice to watch with the new meanings season 3 has given to it. Already watched "The missing pieces", but seen most of them on youtube beforehand.

My favorite scene of season 3 by far was the first half hour of episode 3 (Cooper in the other realm with 'mother' banging at the door etc). A masterpiece.

There's a documentary about David Lynch coming up ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbXEU_Kj3NI ), may be interesting.

Post: #206

People were watching S3 thinking they'd get resolution and closure fully laid out? You have to admit the assumption was rather naive. This is David Lynch we're talking about.

To me the ending of ep18 was reminiscent of the ending of the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. Roland/Cooper is chasing the Dark Tower/Laura across realities/dimensions but is locked in an infinite loop (8). It is at its heart the eternal struggle between good and evil.

In the The Dark Tower the author asks the reader to stop reading at one point if they are happy with the way things are. In the final episode Bob has been defeated, Dougie is back with Janey and Cooper is at Diane's side. At this point Diane asks Cooper when he presses on "are you sure you want to do this?" She's really asking the viewers if they wouldn't rather be content with this ending, beyond this point there will be no answers.

Post: #207

You give interesting point. It really feels same like Dark Tower ending and Lynch somehow evoking King in that 18th episode. If we don't get 4th season, I would be happy to say that 17th episode is end.

Post: #208

Compilation of interesting theories for the finale and whole season.

Post: #209

Well now, bumping this thread cause we're gonna talk about Judy. In fact we are so gonna talk about Judy at all.

I'm all for the idea that Judy is the woman who opened the door for Evil Cooper when he went to visit Jeffries above the convenience store.

1. The scene of a random woman opening the door for Cooper doesn't really make much sense unless that woman had some sort of significance.

2. Jeffries said to Cooper: "you already met Judy". Which I'm assuming cryptically meant "you *just* met Judy".

3. That woman was devilish in appearance, black makeup around her eyes etc.

4. Jeffies and Judy go way back, so not surprisingly they live in the same 'apartment complex' now.

5. She looks at Cooper in a nasty way after she opens the door. We already know there's bad blood between the two, so it fits.

6. Jeffries basically tricked evil Cooper and gave him coordinates that sent him to the giant so Bob would eventually get knocked out by the green glove guy (remember, the giant gave that guy the glove in the first place, for a purpose). Judy was likely in on the scheme (as mentioned, she doesn't like Coop).

7. Go to the very end of the credits of episode 15 - you see that woman standing outside the door again. If that's not a big hint from Lynch then I don't know what is.

To correct our earlier assumptions, the creature that crawled into Sarah Palmer is definitely not Laura, nor is it Judy. Just another nasty creature that came out of the 'puke'. So Sarah in a way had great good (Laura sent by the giant), and great evil inside of her at the same time.

Also the puke creature (with the ears) probably isn't Judy either, nor is the glass box demon. They are 3 different entities, or at least completely different manifestations of Judy. I'm assuming Judy (from above the convenience store) is "mother" from episode 3, as she definitely seems more human-like than the other two creatures. In "Twin Peaks The Missing Pieces", it is mentioned that Judy is a young woman from Argentina, not a puking creature with weird ears.

That's my closure for season 3

Post: #210

(09-06-2017 08:50 PM)Jones Wrote:  Twin Peaks as we remember it (by collectively sharing in the experience of watching it) was never going to return, despite season 3 being titled The Return. Twin Peaks, like Lynch as a director, was never about explaining everything - (jow dey, jo dai, "to explain" in chinese?)The Mother of all evil as an explanation for Laura's traumatic life? Or an explanation being the death of a mystery, to kill the mystery is to explain it. Twin Peaks died once the audience, the dreamers, found out who killed Laura Palmer. From that episode on, Twin Peaks became "nostalgic" for it's initial run until the reveal. Twin Peaks has struggled with it's identity ever since - is it a mystery show? a horror-drama? a supernatural crime story?

We're the dreamers, for these characters live inside our heads in dreams - dreams we share together. (also: Cooper and Laura who had the same dream) We wish for Twin Peaks to be like it's original run - a passage in time and a moment that can't be recreated. Whether its 2017 season 3 or 1990 season 1, in our minds, Cooper is and always will be trying to solve Laura's murder, and Laura's fate was doomed from the first time we saw her dead body on a beach.

Of course, you could say it's about how evil always exists, but good persists nonetheless.

But like Laura wishing she had never been abused by her father, to live in a world where she never had to return home again, to turn away from her past life, we can only wish, only dream, for things to be different. Lynch is 71 and a lot of these actors and actresses have died since filming. We get to live in the present moment, appreciate the creations of Lynch's life, (largely formed from his unconscious = Blue Velvet and Eraserhead come to mind) and say goodbye to some of our favourite characters.

Post: #211

Started to watch S3 again and picked up the latest book from Mark Frost called Twin Peaks the final dossier.

Of course the book starts criticising capitalism and conservatism on the first pages in the guise of FBI reports written by twin peaks universe characters.

But it does not end there. The book goes to present politics and hints how Donald Trump is from black lodge.

Way to break the immersion and permanently destroy the fourth wall.
Is it really this hard to find a one good series that does not have modern day politics injected into it?

What a fucking joke.