Post: #1

This post is for the guys who spend a good amount of time in Bangkok but are too busy with their businesses or whatever else to hit the clubs several times a week or pound the pavement during the day.

Or if you just aren't a huge party bar/club type guy, and I certainly am not, this will work for you too.

I imagine this would work well in a few different big cities but I've only verified it in BKK.

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When I first got set up in Bangkok all I had was a shitty $15 nokia phone. All I could do with it was send text messages. But I was banging at least a new a girl a week despite being incredibly busy working on my online biz.

When I finally got an iPhone I got carried away with all the messaging apps. Meanwhile I was spending way too much time getting girls to meet up on my terms.

So I've reverted to my '1.0' system and I'm back to ruthless efficiency.

The problem with smart phones

In a word, fragmentation.

You've got Line, Tinder, WeChat, whatsapp, Viber, and a million other apps. And if you try to follow up with girls on each of these platforms you're going to lose your mind.

It's very inefficient.

Instead, the trick is to harvest phone numbers.

Use all of these platforms to say "hi", have a short back and forth, and go for the number. Don't forget to use DateInAsia.com, Plenty of Fish, ThaiFriendly and other thai dating sites.

As soon as you get a chick's number, send a hello text like "hey cutie, it's Vincent. Talk soon...jub." So when she sees your text later she'll sort of remember who you are.

Mass Texting

Come thursday you send out a mass text to all the girls in your phone. Something like "hey cutie ;-) what's your plan this weekend?"

Avoid committal messages such as "meet for a drink tonight?" because if several girls say yes, and you double or triple book these dates, you run the risk of burning the girls you didn't meet.

It's better to feel them out first. Then you're not extending yourself prematurely.

Anyway, depending on how many numbers you have in your phone, a pattern will emerge. You send out your mass text on Thursday and a few girls might be down to meet that very evening. Several others might be down to meet Saturday or Sunday.

At the very least, they know you're an option. And if you've subtly but clearly indicated your sexual intent with the use of "cutie", "babe", "sexy", "spank", and other sexualized language, she'll know she has a booty call in her pocket for when she's drunk and horny.

I suggest messaging ALL of the girls in your phone, even if you've already received some promising replies. This is basic lead nurturing in the marketing world. Keep your leads warm so that they don't forget who you are or what you're offering.

I don't even bother to delete the girls who don't reply or reply with some kind of rude or dismissive message. I've had girls not reply to a single message of mine for months and then all of a sudden enthusiastically agree to meet me for a drink...at 11pm...near my place.

They're not stupid. They know what I want. It's just a matter of if/when our interests finally align.

If you have the volume, you can easily have a date Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. And then still have spillover from girls that were busy or out of town who are keen to meet up early next week.

If you follow this system, you're more likely to run out of energy from too much banging before running out of DTF girls.

Why is this system so effective and efficient?


Quick distinction: efficiency is doing something well, even if it's the wrong thing (e.g. trying to message a million girls on all these different apps).

Effectiveness is doing the right thing to begin with, e.g. communicating along an uncluttered medium like text.

The intersection of effectiveness (doing the right thing) and efficiency (doing a thing well) is where the magic happens. (Is there a word for 'efficient effectiveness'?)

So:

1. It's efficient because you're batching.

Instead of interrupting your day to day life to follow up with this girl or that girl, you're doing it all at once, with every girl in your list. You're also giving this one particular task your singular focus.

2. Text messaging is how now become a low signal to noise ratio medium.

Consider this: Everybody's on Line or Whatsapp or whatever other app. You, on the other hand, are cutting right through the noise of every other dude messaging these girls on the apps and going where nobody else is holding her attention. You thus become the equivalent of the annoying internet popup that she can't help but click.

Some girls will be reluctant to give out their numbers, preferring to push you onto Skype or Line instead. Insist on the number and if they refuse, next them.

This system depends on volume and benefits you by wasting as little of your time as possible. If you start making too many exceptions you'll destroy your profit margin in terms of reclaimed free time.

3. You can play a sloppy game thanks to depersonalization and still get the P.

You're not going to remember which girl corresponds with which name in your phone once you have over a hundred numbers. So you can treat every girl the same. This is good, it keeps you objective.

At first I tried to categorize the numbers in my phone and give girls a hotness rating (1 being a 'must bang hottie', 2 being a 'could bang
, and 3 being an 'I'd bang if it were handed to me on a silver platter', e.g. she agrees to come straight over).

But even that fell by the wayside. Because A) pictures aren't necessarily representative of how a girl looks in person and B) there's a chemistry element that you can't quantify beforehand. (See: The Boner Test.)

4. You're not spending hours upon hours on your phone engaging in stupid chit chat with a bunch of unproven prospects, i.e. wasting your time.

You're treating the numbers, in aggregate, like a marketplace, which is in fact what they are.

Some girls are available, some girls aren't. Some girls are newly single, some are newly attached. Some are horny, some are on their period. Some are out of town. Some are lonely, some are out with their friends. Some are drunk, etc.

These are the same girls that at one point want nothing to do with you, and then the next week, through whatever change of circumstances, want to ravenously devour your cock.

If you systematically, consistently put your offer out into the marketplace, some percentage of your leads will probably take the bait at some point.

On that note, remember to switch up the wording of your weekly mass text.

A note on volume

Assuming you're a decent looking white guy and putting that factor aside, your ability to make demands is directly proportional to the volume of girls you've cultivated.

If you have 5 girls in your phone it's unlikely that you'll make outlandish suggestions like "let's meet at the bar near my place at midnight". It's too risky with such a small pool; you have to play more strategically.

But if you have 200 girls in your phone and ask them all to meet you where YOU want, when YOU want, and essentially on your terms, the girls who agree are most certainly going to be DTF.

Logistics

As good as this system is, if you live out in the boonies, it's not going to do you much good. You need to be at least within the city.

I used to live in Ladprao which is a bit out of the way but it also meant that when a girl decided to meet me, she was basically investing so much time and energy to get there that to NOT get the pipe would be a terrible waste. Thai women are practical creatures after all.

Anywhere along the BTS or MRT should be fine. Find a bar near your place, make it your spot, and learn to operate from there. It's also not really necessary to go out of your way to hook up a bartender or door man. You just need a good spot to operate from.

Ideally, a corner table in an airy bar where you can amp up the touching and maybe even get a little naughty before bouncing to your grotto of love.

Now go slay that Thai pizzle.

Questions?

Post: #2

sounds good

but I don treally understand where you got all the numbers from...

all from dating sites like thaifriendly and so on?

you mention whatsapp and line can you meet random chicks off these apps?

forgive my ignorance I never really bothered with online game but in SEA it seems to be a real option

another thing which dating site can you recommend? I checked up thaicupid and havent been able to find any girls that I could get excited about. they all look kinda plain and meh.

whats your take on daygame in bangkok?

Post: #3

Cool guide, I can see this working. But there is also a big hook: Quality of girls. There are good girls to be found online, but from my experience you need good looks/pictures and need to keep in touch with them. I can imagine that you loose a big percentage of the very best girls from your contacts by not keeping in touch with them (chatting daily and pushing for the date ASAP), but am happy to hear otherwise.

Not only by looks, but also overall quality. I have been thinking about this a lot recently... Since I signed off from TF etc I am pulling much better girls, but muss less as well. New notches are much more satisfying and and I get more confident around hot girls, which is a huge improvement game-wise. The last time I got laid with a similar method it made me feel bad and I couldnt wait to get rid of the girl.

Especially, as so many times, girls look not as good as on the pic. Sometimes I wonder if going to soapy massage parlor would be the best choice, as long as the only motivation is sex. Atleast one can choose the hottest girl and dont fuck up her confidence for kicking her out of the room afterwards.

My suggestion for the busy man in Bangkok:

- Have a few regulars on rotation or even a girlfriend. The peace of mind saves a lot of energy that can be spend on your business
- Go for business women in their early 30s. Still looking young, classy and stylish, only want to relax in the evening as you do, and you might even learn a bit business-wise from them (works probably only if you are younger than them and cannot be seen as their future husband)
- Never visit Jakarta or Manila or just move there full-time. Not fun to take a 6 on a "blind"date in Bangkok, when the same caliber of girls would come straight to your room thousand kilometers further east or south

w00t: Daygame is my favorite here. It is not any harder to get the line from daygame than from online game. Just think about it. You might be one out of a few guys and probably the only farang that approach her, while she might get close to 100s messages per day online. The short conversation is enough to see if you really want to meet her again, so you do not have to risk to go on a date with a girl that you dont really like.

But I made the same experience with online and daygame: If you dont keep in touch regularly and hope to get her on a date after a few days of no conversation, then this will get you no-where.

Post: #4

I didn't read, but here is my guide to getting laid in bangkok:

Post: #5

(09-28-2014 02:21 PM)w00t Wrote:  sounds good

but I don treally understand where you got all the numbers from...

all from dating sites like thaifriendly and so on?

Around 85% from ThaiFriendly. The rest a mix between DateInAsia, POF and gaming girls as I go about my day.

Quote:you mention whatsapp and line can you meet random chicks off these apps?

You can with WeChat's 'discover' feature. Don't know about Line or whatsapp. But they'll yield low returns on your time investment. Go fishing in the pond with lots of fish, i.e. thaifriendly.

Quote:forgive my ignorance I never really bothered with online game but in SEA it seems to be a real option

Online dating is huge here. And unlike the US, worth the trouble.

Quote:another thing which dating site can you recommend? I checked up thaicupid and havent been able to find any girls that I could get excited about. they all look kinda plain and meh.

ThaiFriendly.com is the one. You can read a review I wrote about it a while back (with pictures of some of the girls) here. If you're going to be here for a while definitely spring for the paid account. I waited almost a year before I ponied up the dough and I realized how much time I had wasted with the 10-minute-in-between-messages limit on the free account.

Quote:whats your take on daygame in bangkok?

It's good. One of the hottest chicks I've ever banged was an 18 year old girl I picked up just walking down the street. Also great daygame opportunities at the malls. Just make sure you're not dressed like a backpacker with flop flops and shit. Hopefully I don't need to explain that one.

(09-28-2014 10:12 PM)libertad1312 Wrote:  Cool guide, I can see this working. But there is also a big hook: Quality of girls. There are good girls to be found online, but from my experience you need good looks/pictures and need to keep in touch with them. I can imagine that you loose a big percentage of the very best girls from your contacts by not keeping in touch with them (chatting daily and pushing for the date ASAP), but am happy to hear otherwise.

Being somewhat handsome obviously makes things easier. I'm a good looking guy but there are definitely much more conventionally handsome dudes here not getting nearly as much ass as me. OR spending a lot more time per lay. Which to me is basically the same thing.

I've met a lot of really hot girls online and banged them using this system.

Sure, maybe you'll be getting hotter girls on average if you're spending your weekends at Levels or Route 66.

But I spend my weekends meeting girls I've already set up dates with rather than trying my luck at a nightclub, spending money, getting drunk, etc., all of which I have zero interest in doing.

Again, this is just me. Some guys love to party and hit the clubs and what not, so that's a different situation.

Quote:Especially, as so many times, girls look not as good as on the pic.

That's interesting. My experience has been that most of the time a girl will actually look as good or better than her pic suggests.

I've only ever been really disappointed once and that was from a Craigslist girl. I said hi, looked her up and down, and did an about face and walked home.

Quote:Sometimes I wonder if going to soapy massage parlor would be the best choice, as long as the only motivation is sex. Atleast one can choose the hottest girl and dont fuck up her confidence for kicking her out of the room afterwards.

Yeah that's always an option. But isn't it more satisfying fucking a girl who actually wants to fuck you? I'll fuck a working girl if I'm horny and it's the only option but it's so mechanical and passionless. And they usually don't look so good once the clothing comes off. Scars and stretch marks and shit. I'd rather try to connect with a girl who actually wants to get to know me and with whom I have real chemistry.

Post: #6

thx for the detailed answer
cant rep you since I already did

Im gonna check out thaifriendly

Post: #7

Repped. Because..Why the hell hadn't I done this already?

Decent guide. I find it especially interesting as I'm going to be hitting Bangkok the start of next year. I intend to hit the ground running.

You mention what is was like living in the bonies, and how living near BTS or MRT is good. Do you have any recommendations for decent places? Best bang for buck.. so to speak. From what I've read elsewhere "On Nut" seems to be a good candidate.

Post: #8

(09-28-2014 10:53 PM)ballybally Wrote:  I didn't read, but here is my guide to getting laid in bangkok:

That's the method I'll be going with for my initial round of days in Bangkok in November. As much fun as dating and sleeping with girls who "really want to be with you" can be, I personally think there's something to be said for the entertainment value in full service oil massage parlors, blowjob bars and strip clubs (or Gogo bars as I think they call them in Thailand).
So I've booked a hotel room right around the corner from Nana Plaza.

My birthday is a couple of days after arriving, and frankly the thought of going out on a regular date - even if it ends in bed - just seems dreadfully plain to me as a first timer in Bangkok.
But for those living there or visiting for longer periods - or just have an aversion to girls in certain professions - there were some good tips in the first post.

I'll be traveling around in Thailand after that for another five weeks (no doubt with another few days in Bangkok at the end), so I definitely plan on testing out my game on both locals and tourists in various other parts of the country (I'll probably spend at least the last two weeks in the south on beaches and islands).

Post: #9

(09-29-2014 04:15 AM)Jasper Wrote:  Do you have any recommendations for decent places? Best bang for buck.. so to speak. From what I've read elsewhere "On Nut" seems to be a good candidate.

Onnut is a good location with a lot of hot girls, street food and cheap places to stay.

I don't know what your budget is like but I personally prefer the Ekkamai/Thonglo area. It's expensive but more central in terms of logistics.

Also keep in mind that most places you have to sign a contract for 6 months to a year to rent.

Post: #10

People should bear in mind that most girls will give you their number/mobile app ID in Thailand and it doesn't mean they want to fuck or date you. They are just too polite too say no or were to flustered to pretend to mention they have a BF.

Post: #11

(09-29-2014 04:48 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 10:53 PM)ballybally Wrote:  I didn't read, but here is my guide to getting laid in bangkok:

That's the method I'll be going with for my initial round of days in Bangkok in November. As much fun as dating and sleeping with girls who "really want to be with you" can be, I personally think there's something to be said for the entertainment value in full service oil massage parlors, blowjob bars and strip clubs (or Gogo bars as I think they call them in Thailand).
So I've booked a hotel room right around the corner from Nana Plaza.

My birthday is a couple of days after arriving, and frankly the thought of going out on a regular date - even if it ends in bed - just seems dreadfully plain to me as a first timer in Bangkok.
But for those living there or visiting for longer periods - or just have an aversion to girls in certain professions - there were some good tips in the first post.

I'll be traveling around in Thailand after that for another five weeks (no doubt with another few days in Bangkok at the end), so I definitely plan on testing out my game on both locals and tourists in various other parts of the country (I'll probably spend at least the last two weeks in the south on beaches and islands).

Nahhhh. Paying for it weakens and damages you.

Better to game a 4 into wanting you than pay for a 9 who just wants $$$.

Post: #12

(09-29-2014 04:48 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 10:53 PM)ballybally Wrote:  I didn't read, but here is my guide to getting laid in bangkok:

That's the method I'll be going with for my initial round of days in Bangkok in November. As much fun as dating and sleeping with girls who "really want to be with you" can be, I personally think there's something to be said for the entertainment value in full service oil massage parlors, blowjob bars and strip clubs (or Gogo bars as I think they call them in Thailand).
So I've booked a hotel room right around the corner from Nana Plaza.

My birthday is a couple of days after arriving, and frankly the thought of going out on a regular date - even if it ends in bed - just seems dreadfully plain to me as a first timer in Bangkok.
But for those living there or visiting for longer periods - or just have an aversion to girls in certain professions - there were some good tips in the first post.

I'll be traveling around in Thailand after that for another five weeks (no doubt with another few days in Bangkok at the end), so I definitely plan on testing out my game on both locals and tourists in various other parts of the country (I'll probably spend at least the last two weeks in the south on beaches and islands).

Sounds like a solid plan if you have money. I don't think there's anything more boring to do in Thailand than to go out on a date with a Thai Chick lol.

Post: #13

Not sure how this thread turned into the p4p lounge so quickly.

Post: #14

Ballybally, Afarang and Mike S have been suspended for 3 days each. This is not a p4p forum.

Post: #15

For a second i thought roosh was planning to get info on Bangkok
Anyway what's the recommendation if you just plan to stay for 2 months next year in Bangkok?

Post: #16

(09-30-2014 05:46 AM)KC4 Wrote:  For a second i thought roosh was planning to get info on Bangkok
Anyway what's the recommendation if you just plan to stay for 2 months next year in Bangkok?

I'd say pipeline a bunch of girls using Thaifriendly.com.

Resist the temptation to engage with these girls on WeChat, line or whatsapp.

They'll try to push you to connect with them on these apps but just say you don't have them and all you have is a phone number. Trust me on this one.

When you get the number, send them a text to say hi so when they hear back from you later they're not wondering who the hell you are.

Then just follow the system I laid out above (pick a central location when you come here!) and supplement with day game and night game.

If I were coming back to Bangkok and starting fresh that's exactly what I'd do. In fact, it's exactly what I AM doing now after a few months in Phuket where the online dating landscape is bleak.

Of course, you could run dozens of concurrent chats with girls over Line and still get laid like crazy. Just look at how Fisto and crew banged half of Bangkok when they were here.

But that's a different situation because they were here on a vacation of sorts. If you have a bunch of time, you could probably get more girls to meet up if you handle them with velvet gloves so to speak.

But for pure efficiency, the opening post is the best approach I've found. I'm always open to improvements though.

Post: #17

(09-28-2014 11:17 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  You've got Line, Tinder, WeChat, whatsapp, Viber, and a million other apps. And if you try to follow up with girls on each of these platforms you're going to lose your mind.

I am planning for a trip and would like to load many of these chat applications. But I want to know can you set all of these applications up for a burner phone number? To be more specific, a burner number on your main cell phone. Or does it get way to complicated trying to use the burner app each time and then opening the chat app? If that is even possible.

Or is it better just to buy a phone like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-3G-Unlocked-An...566ea7d8a8

And take it for the trip I am going on and just buy the sim card.

Thanks.

Post: #18

(04-03-2015 08:56 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 11:17 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  You've got Line, Tinder, WeChat, whatsapp, Viber, and a million other apps. And if you try to follow up with girls on each of these platforms you're going to lose your mind.

I am planning for a trip and would like to load many of these chat applications. But I want to know can you set all of these applications up for a burner phone number? To be more specific, a burner number on your main cell phone. Or does it get way to complicated trying to use the burner app each time and then opening the chat app? If that is even possible.

Or is it better just to buy a phone like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-3G-Unlocked-An...566ea7d8a8

And take it for the trip I am going on and just buy the sim card.

Thanks.

As long as you have a number to receive the confirmation code you will be fine.

All you need is Line and Whatsapp.

Post: #19

@Vincent - Solid post man! I completely agree with your thoughts on messaging apps. I'm currently in US and have been using Line for J girls, Kakao for Kgirls and Wechat for Chinese girls and while initially thought I was in the know for using these apps, they actually just subconsciously lump you in with all the other guys/friends/random noise where with phone number, you're still unique. Although since you're also in sales, you can relate, work on your point of sale game so that your follow up is more effective. But overall, great post. Gave ya a +1

Post: #20

I'd put Tinder as a dating app, not a messaging app. It's fantastic in BKK too.

Post: #21

I'm wondering if this system still a good idea in 2017, did someone recently try to push the girls to using texting instead of Line? I have a Truemove sim card, and I think texting is expensive... like 1 or 2 bahts. Can someone correct me if i'm wrong?

Post: #22

I find your guide interesting but what can stop me to try in my/your own usual country of residence?
These dating apps are taking too much time and concentration.