Post: #1

For instance, women claim they want the "nice guy." Not really the case from my experience, as the nice guy will get friend zoned more often then not. Why bang the nice guy when you can get all the emotional support you desire without the sex?

On the other hand, if someone referred to me as a "nice guy" I would probably equate that to being called a giant pussy.

Post: #2

I think this is the most warmed-over topic in Manosphere history.

Post: #3

Away from pickup, lot of people pretend to be nice so people will look at them favourably but they are far from nice.

Post: #4

(09-14-2014 09:53 PM)Lion of Judah Wrote:  I think this is the most warmed-over topic in Manosphere history.

This.

First of all, women want a guy who's nice to them, not a "nice guy".

Second of all, as LemonDrink said, people are superficially nice but little shits on the inside.

Third, and this is part of the "red pill" - women don't know what the fuck they're talking about. What a woman says is not important, what she does is what matters.

Post: #5

(09-14-2014 09:51 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  For instance, women claim they want the "nice guy." Not really the case from my experience, as the nice guy will get friend zoned more often then not. Why bang the nice guy when you can get all the emotional support you desire without the sex?

On the other hand, if someone referred to me as a "nice guy" I would probably equate that to being called a giant pussy.

Women, biologically, utilize a dual sexual strategy, colloquially known here as "Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks". They need quality genes from a high-value man in order to create a child, and they need resources and protection for that child as it matures.

It's possible for a single man to fulfill both those needs, but only rarely is the most sexually arousing man also the most attractive in terms of provisioning potential. Nature has found it most effective to build into women's minds a Plan B, in which she uses different men to achieve both of these aims.

Most women don't realize this on a conscious level, but the biomechanics of sexual selection are so ingrained into the human psyche that these subconscious motives have seeped into the collective culture. When women talk about "bad boys" and "nice guys", they're referring to men who either turn them on or have the capacity to provide for them, respectively.

The primary reason the term "nice guy" carries many different connotations is that a woman's need for a beta provider will vary wildy depending on (amongst other things) her value in the sexual marketplace (which generally peaks in her early twenties before declining precipitously in her thirties and forties).

The picture from this Rational Male post does a great job of explaining this:

Quote:It’s my belief that a drive for hypergamic optimization exists in both the impulse to secure the best genes (sexy son theory – Alpha Fucks) and the best provisioning / emotional investment (parental investment – Beta Bucks) a woman’s attractiveness can be leveraged for. The problem then is one of leveraging her attractiveness relative to any particular phase of her life and the circumstance that phase dictates for her.

So when a woman's young and beautiful, and able to capture the attention of the high-value alpha males she would prefer father her children, nice guys are shunned and labeled "gross" or "creepy". Once she's hit the wall and is no longer able to leverage her beauty in this manner, she resorts to finding a man to pay the bills and provide comfort and security-and what do you know, suddenly she laments the fact that she "just can't find any nice guys" to date.

Post: #6

We hit this one a lot identity-wise.

Typically, your run-of-the-mill "nice guy" is merely attempting to manipulate the object of his affection into having intercourse with him. They tend to operate under false pretenses in order to bring about their desired outcome and they are rarely (if ever) successful in their attempts.

Contrast the above with the true "nice guy" who is a kind person because of an ingrained sense of "doing the right thing" as opposed to "getting whatever I can because I deserve it". Once you differentiate them you can see the term "nice guy" for what it is: a typical SJW or white knight just trying to get some shred of affection in return for screwing-over his fellow man.

Post: #7

One of the wicked cruelties of Game:

Once a girl pegs you as a "nice guy", it's damn near impossible to shake that label in her mind

Post: #8

(09-14-2014 09:51 PM)tallandblonde Wrote:  For instance, women claim they want the "nice guy." Not really the case from my experience, as the nice guy will get friend zoned more often then not. Why bang the nice guy when you can get all the emotional support you desire without the sex?

On the other hand, if someone referred to me as a "nice guy" I would probably equate that to being called a giant pussy.

Objectively, befriending someone with the sole intent of getting something from them isn't very nice. So most of these dudes helping to move furniture or fixing cars in order to get into a chick's pants are actually despicable scum.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

A nice guy in guy speak means
- a guy
- who is nice

However, nice guy in girl speak means
- on first glance she doesn't find him sexually attractive
- his behavior and mannerisms don't make her pussy tingle.
- plus he does all this stuff for her at the drop of a hat, no challenge

The nice guy that they claim to want is
- a guy that they find sexually attractive physically and behavior wise
- isn't bending over backwards to please her
- is very demanding, and is a big challenge to get him to do what she wants

She wants The Brute to be nice to her, after wanting to fuck him and getting used to him making demands.


WIA

Post: #9

This chart illustrates a phenomenon I have also observed but I've never seen discussed anywhere- the "alpha reinterest" that occurs as a woman ages.

He puts it at 36 to 45, which I largely agree with, though it can extend to 47 or even 50 for a small minority of women who have high sex drives.

Plenty of women this age are as drawn to alphas and dismissive of betas as the 18-25 year olds are. They are quite different than the 27-35 year olds, and much easier to bang.

I speculate that these women, having raised their first brood to near independence, have less need for security and are back for a second and final go round of reproduction and are looking for alpha seed to make that happen

Post: #10

While the meaning attached to it may seem obvious, the term “nice guy” is somewhat imperfect. Being self-assertive and confident or even showing a bit of bravado/swagger could go hand in hand with having a sound moral compass (which quite a few people may equate with niceness). There may be cultural divergences as well – if a culture values extroversion, then being nice may be connected to a willingness to take the lead in a conversation and doing your best to appear as a leader/display an optimistic mindset. In any case, I don’t think that you could go wrong with being nice, as long as there is no superficiality attached to it and you are not deceiving yourself to get your way, i.e. you are not compromising your principles or feigning interest in a sport (and then reneging on your promise to practice with her) in order to appeal to a girl. If you have the necessary social status or social capital (e.g. are a well-respected artist of a captain of the football team), it’s highly unlikely that treating a girl gallantly and with a lot of respect could backfire on you.

Post: #11

When women talk about what they like to see in a guy, they always talk about comfort-related traits and signs of commitment. They're not lying...they just want those traits from the high-value Prince Charming with whom they already have high levels of attraction.

Women think that attraction "just happens" - when you game her right it feels like a roller coaster where she's just along for the ride with all of the emotional highs and lows.

Replace "my guy" with "prince charming" and you'll get the truth:

"I want my guy my sexy hunk Prince Charming to only have eyes for me"
"I want my guy my sexy hunk Prince Charming to make sweet, sweet love to me and then bring me breakfast in bed"
"I want my guy my sexy hunk Prince Charming to be a charming, protective hunk"
"I want my guy my sexy hunk Prince Charming to wash the dishes and help me around the house"
"I want my guy my sexy hunk Prince Charming to let me be a strong, independent womyn"

Betas don't know how to build attraction and assume that building comfort is all that they need...and just entrench themselves in the friend zone.