Post: #101

(10-27-2014 05:40 PM)the high Wrote:  I mean uh...

Why do progressives always start responses with stuff like this? It just sounds weak.

Post: #102

(10-27-2014 06:27 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  For travelerkai

ditto for me good stuff well done sir!!

Post: #103

"a wild race thread has appeared!"

Late to this party, but I admire the hustling of the FKH8 person. They are taking outrage and making money off of it, similar to predatory old ladies that start "women's entrepreneur networks" or "women's business advisors". There is money to be made off of the SJW trend. I just saw the "credo" credit card today that is also milking the SJW's bank account http://www.credocreditcard.com/ "Purchases with your CREDO card directly fund progressive nonprofits that battle every day for our values, our rights and our freedoms. "

They even plant trees for you for using their card...and I know the organization that is 'planting' them in africa and like most endeavors undertaken by hippies is full of waste, corruption and technical incompetence.

Like the televangelists of the 70s and 80s the dogmatic faith of the SJW can be played for them to blindly send in cash, however in this case I don't think anyone will be going to hell for it. I've said it before and I've said it again, SJW causes are the new environmentalism, remember in the late 1990s how people would slap "green" on it and people would buy it? Burger king just did it a while ago with their gay burgers....don't miss the potential to cash in on it.

Post: #104

(10-27-2014 06:19 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  Midwest has been thoroughly steeped in Cultural Marxism.

White Privilege is just a leftist shaming tactic to guilt trip white people into being subordinate to the demands of Cultural Marxists. Tim Wise is the biggest race hustler there is. There is nothing admirable about him. He is constantly preaching about the virtues of diversity and then lives in a 99% white neighborhood (way to practice what you preach Tim).

White Privilege is just another excuse that non-whites can use for their own shortcomings. Most Asian & Jewish Americans are very successful, do we shame them for their success? No, there is no Jewish Privilege or Asian Privilege. The left just wants to shame white people. How is it that these groups are able to overcome the global white male conspiracy to oppress all women, gays, and minorities if they do not have "privilege" like white people do?

I guess they decided that just calling everyone racist was no longer successful in shutting down debate. Or maybe "white privilege" sounded more academic and appealed to their desire for pseudo-intellectual status.

Post: #105

Black privilege?? Some of the items you listed on here are so ridiculous that not even white people could agree with them. Blacks portrayed in a positive light in Hollywood??? Bwhahahahaha! The media's negative slant against black people is primarily the reason why we're considered criminals, dangerous, or otherwise undesirable all over the world, including places that have little to no black people in them. I can believe you said that one!

Concerning affirmative-action, if I'm not mistaken that has been struck down by the courts in most states. Also, it's a known fact that affirmative-action benefited other minorities and WHITE WOMEN more than it did anyone black. So what, affirmative-action for was around like 30 years or so? White people have enjoyed (and are still enjoying) hundreds of years of preferential treatment, and now you want to complain about a 30 year stretch of time, that mostly benefitted white women? Get outta here!

I am always puzzled as to what white people thought was going to happen when they deny a group of people the right to work many jobs, and force them to live in ghettos through housing restrictions? Did they really think a bunch of Einstein's and Sir Isaac Newton's were going to be spawned from the Cabrini Green housing projects? Did they think a bunch of Beethoven's we're going to be raised in Watts? Black people in the ghetto, (since honestly it's only the ghettos where there are issues with black people) have turned out exactly how anyone with half a brain could've imagined. There was a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise and keep down this particular group of people, and it worked. Perhaps those conditions of disenfranchisement don't exist as strongly as they did in the past, but don't expect hundreds of years of this genicidal nonsense to reverse self in a 30 year span of time.

Post: #106

Sorry to bump this 2 week old race thread, but.. I'd like to contribute to the debate..

First off all, I agree with much of what Scorpion writes, however, there are a few points that I'd like to respond to..

(10-27-2014 03:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  There is no white privilege today. There is only the white man's burden.

Being a member of the majority or dominant group in any environment can be both a "privilege" and a "burden".

To suggest that it's always a "burden" -- and never a "privilege" -- is simply not logical.

Accepting the "burden", without claiming the "privilege" is a perspective that is probably based more on emotion and less on logic.

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Honestly, "privilege" is not the right word to use.

There are more accurate ways to describe the potential benefits that come from being a member of the dominant tribe.

(I don't have time to think of better words right now, but, there are better ways to describe it)

*****

A few more points:

(10-27-2014 03:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Is it a privilege to constantly be painted as villainous and racist in the media?

Statistically speaking, Blacks and Latinos are much more likely to be portrayed as "villainous" by the media.

This has been proven by numerous studies and analysis of characters on television/movies, news stories, and the roles that White, Black, and Latin actors play.

When it comes to "characterization" by the media, Whites have the least to complain about.

(10-27-2014 03:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Is it a privilege to have your historical homelands invaded by millions of foreigners?

North America is not the "historical homeland' of Whites.

Whites immigrated to North America only in the last few hundred years.

(10-27-2014 03:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Is it a privilege to have your traditional culture and religion mocked in your own country?

American culture and Christianity are alive and well.

Last week, I was watching the World Series. The "7th inning stretch" was celebrated with a singing of "God Bless America". This image was broadcast into tens if millions of American homes.

American culture and Christianity are celebrated much more than they are mocked.

(10-27-2014 03:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Is it a privilege to make massively disproportionate tax contributions to the welfare state?

Yes, one could argue that it is a "privilege" to make disproportionate tax contributions..

Why?

Because making "disproportionate tax contributions" is the result of making lots of money.

Also, in terms of total numbers, most of the people on welfare are White.

(10-27-2014 03:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Is it a privilege to have any mention of pride in the accomplishments of your people be immediately viewed as racist?

Any mention of pride is immediately viewed as racist?

I respectfully disagree.

Schools in America still teach about "The Industrial Revolution", The settling of Whites in America (Jamestown), "The Enlightenment", "Democracy", The Constitution, etc.

These accomplishments are widely celebrated, for the most part.

(10-27-2014 03:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Most of the things these idiots call "white privilege"..

When you say -- "these idiots" -- are you talking about the people who made this video?





Because, the people who made this video are White.

The founder of this company is a gay, White man.



They are using racial tension as a way to make money.

They are professional race trolls.

Post: #107

(11-05-2014 12:30 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Any mention of pride is immediately viewed as racist?

I respectfully disagree.

Schools in America still teach about "The Industrial Revolution", The settling of Whites in America (Jamestown), "The Enlightenment", "Democracy", The Constitution, etc.

These accomplishments are widely celebrated, for the most part.

What school did you go to and when did you go?

Pretty sure in public school I got a full dose of: white people are evil imperialists who intentionally genocided the Native Americans, the Constitution was written by slave owners who didn't think black people should be counted as people, democracy is good, government is always good.

Didn't hear much about Jamestown, nothing about the Enlightenment that I can recall.

When the books discussed the Constitution they portrayed it as a living, breathing document (AKA: it means whatever the left wants it to mean at any given moment).

There was never much nuance and analysis. Just the typical Democrat = good, everything else = bad nonsense that the teachers union was a fan of.

Imagine how stupid we'd all be if we discounted all the works of the Greeks and Romans because they were imperialist slave owners.

Post: #108

(10-25-2014 04:24 PM)MidWest Wrote:  I think this video better explains white privilege. Louis CK telling it how it is.

Honestly Louis CK is funny as fuck but I dont agree with him here. I am a brown male with wavy black hair and dark brown eyes. I can go almost anywhere in the world at anytime, not Louis. Send me to Hawaii, Egypt, Rome, Jerusalem, The middle east (Persian empire, Ottoman empire, Mogul empire), India, North America, South America etc. and I would fit right in. Louis CK is a pale ginger. Only place he could travel is Northern Europe/Scandanavia and possibly East Asia.

Post: #109

Honestly the racebaiting by both sides in this thread is obnoxious.

But if we want to discuss the subject on who has the racial problem in this country, let's do so then without using lefty rhetoric about privilege and critical theory.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/

Post: #110

(10-31-2014 06:34 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Black privilege?? Some of the items you listed on here are so ridiculous that not even white people could agree with them. Blacks portrayed in a positive light in Hollywood??? Bwhahahahaha! The media's negative slant against black people is primarily the reason why we're considered criminals, dangerous, or otherwise undesirable all over the world, including places that have little to no black people in them. I can believe you said that one!

Or maybe black people are viewed that way because black people do indeed display disproportionately high rates of criminality and violence within and across countries.

(10-31-2014 06:34 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Concerning affirmative-action, if I'm not mistaken that has been struck down by the courts in most states.

You are. Image from an article in April 2014:



Still mostly legal. I actually am okay, in theory, with universities and corporations discriminating (and affirmative action is naked discrimination) however they would like. However, universities and corporations are generally direct or indirect recipients of government subsidies, so I am certainly against tax-payer-supported racism.

(10-31-2014 06:34 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Also, it's a known fact that affirmative-action benefited other minorities and WHITE WOMEN more than it did anyone black. So what, affirmative-action for was around like 30 years or so? White people have enjoyed (and are still enjoying) hundreds of years of preferential treatment, and now you want to complain about a 30 year stretch of time, that mostly benefitted white women? Get outta here!

College admissions data (to which white collar jobs should trend similarly) suggest you are wrong again--blacks benefit the most and Asians suffer (so not all minorities benefit) relative to whites--"In 2009, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford... calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African Americans who got 1100."

The difference between 1550 and 1100 is massive (a 450 delta)--the gulf between a near-genius and someone of middling intellect--and also, for example, a greater delta than between mine (and my close friends' growing up) 6th grade and 11th grade SAT scores.

Furthermore: "After controlling for grades, test scores, family background (legacy status), and athletic status (whether or not the student was a recruited athlete), Espenshade and Radford found that whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian Americans."

Quotes are from the Wikipedia page on Affirmative Action in the United States.

In Espenshade and Chung's 2005 paper, they found that if race-neutral admissions were applied, four-fifths of spots in top schools currently occupied by blacks and latinos would be taken by Asians.

Thus, [citation needed] for affirmative action benefitting or having benefited white women more. Given the figures stated above, highly unlikely that white women ever received the gargantuan benefits blacks, or even latinos, enjoy/have enjoyed in this respect.

Your boisterousness-to-knowledgeability ratio on this subject is rather high.

(11-05-2014 12:30 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 03:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Is it a privilege to make massively disproportionate tax contributions to the welfare state?

Yes, one could argue that it is a "privilege" to make disproportionate tax contributions..

Why?

Because making "disproportionate tax contributions" is the result of making lots of money.

Also, in terms of total numbers, most of the people on welfare are White.

Would one from RVF argue this if the topic was men making disproportionately large tax contributions to be consumed by women?

And most welfare-recipients being white is an irrelevant red herring--proportions and relative likelihoods are what matter.

Post: #111

I wouldn't really say that white privilege is a thing. As an Indian American living in California, I generally enjoy most of the same benefits as my white friends; people don't assume that I'm criminal or stupid, nor are cops especially likely to jump me for no good reason. I'm not treated any differently by the vast majority of people. The same would apply for most Asians, Persians, Arabs, and South Americans, i.e those whose parents immigrated in the 1990's off of H-1B visas. There may have been some institutionalized discrimination against these groups in the past, but such discrimination was also directed to groups like the Irish, the Italians, and Eastern Europeans. In short, many minority groups basically enjoy most of the benefits and privileges associated with white Americans.

For blacks and Latinos, however, it is absolutely a different story. I find it difficult to understand how some people can argue that these groups face little actual discrimination. Animosity against black people especially has deep roots in this country's history, and this hasn't simply gone away, nor will it ever.

Post: #112

race is a big factor in social mobility. if you have a certain name it is proven that people might not even look at your job app. If you're black at a private college, people assume it's because of affirmative action. Even with affirmative action in work, it's not like many blacks have high up positions in any corporation.

The fact is that race will always have to do with it. You're going to hire someone who looks like you, all things being equal

Post: #113

Kabal,

Thanks for the detailed response!

I sense that you are a smart man.

Even though we will likely disagree on some points, I do enjoy debating with intelligent people who have a different perspective from mine.

None of this is personal, I consider it intellectual and philosophical recreation.

I actually agree with some of the points that "white nationalist" types make. I also disagree with much of what they say.

I hope we can have a gentlemanly discussion before this thread gets closed.

(11-05-2014 10:52 PM)Kabal Wrote:  black people do indeed display disproportionately high rates of criminality and violence within and across countries.

It's also true that 70% of porn actresses are White.

Does this mean that White women are the biggest whores?

No. There are other factors at play. Race is not the only factor.

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Most "school shooters" are White.

Does this mean that Whites are more likely to shoot innocent people.

No. They are other factors at play. Race is not the only factor.

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Statistics can be misleading.

As Mark Twain said:

There are 3 types of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Statistics alone prove very little. These is a lot more context that goes into these statistics.

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Blacks commit more street crime. Is this because of the color of their skin or because they are the ones dealing with the realities of the street life? (poverty, lack of families, glorification of violence, etc. )

Whites commit more "white collar" crime. Is this because of the color of their skin or because they are the ones dealing with the realities of white collar life? (rampant corruption, greed, pressure to make money, etc. )

Race is not the only factor. There are many other factors at play.

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One could argue that Whites are just as criminalistic as Blacks.

Bernie Madoff stole billions.

LIBOR bank stole trillions.

Bank and Mortgage fraud led to the recession of 2009-2010.

HSBC bank laundered money for Mexican drug cartels.

These are crimes that were largely committed by Whites.

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The most violent large scale crimes in recent history are probably the Rwandan Genocide, The Cambodian Genocide, The Bosnian Genocide and The Nazi Holocaust.

It's pretty clear that both Blacks and Whites are capable of extreme violence. (as well as asians and latins)

Post: #114

+ 1 Gio

Fair and balanced rebuttal

People can make #'s say any thing they want, we ALL know the truth is more nuanced

Post: #115

(11-06-2014 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Kabal,

Thanks for the detailed response!

I sense that you are a smart man.

Even though we will likely disagree on some points, I do enjoy debating with intelligent people who have a different perspective from mine.

None of this is personal, I consider it intellectual and philosophical recreation.

I actually agree with some of the points that "white nationalist" types make. I also disagree with much of what they say.

I hope we can have a gentlemanly discussion before this thread gets closed.

(11-05-2014 10:52 PM)Kabal Wrote:  black people do indeed display disproportionately high rates of criminality and violence within and across countries.

It's also true that 70% of porn actresses are White.

Does this mean that White women are the biggest whores?

No. There are other factors at play. Race is not the only factor.

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Most "school shooters" are White.

Does this mean that Whites are more likely to shoot innocent people.

No. They are other factors at play.

Sorry to be that guy but you need better citations for the claims you make. Because a lot of them are quite simply not true. In fact, a lot of them are jus left wing talking points to distract from the issue. Bringing up Bernie Madoff is a distraction, bringing up pornstars is a distraction (personally out of wedlock births by race is a better metric anyway)
Google the colorofcrime, it deals with a lot of them (not all, but a lot).
If you can't do that then we can't have a discussion on race and criminality

As for historical genocides, sadly I am on my phone, but when compiled and corrected for population differences most white caused atrocities dont make it that high. Neither do black ones to be fair.

Post: #116

(11-06-2014 04:30 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  People can make #'s say any thing they want, we ALL know the truth is more nuanced

Somewhere, a Jezebellian feminist is saying that in response to the observation that males have greater cognitive variance than females or in response to the observation that men prefer younger women.

No one can make make 2 + 2 equal 5, but we can all plug our ears and hamster away numbers we find yucky by uttering unfalsifiable statements such as "we ALL know the truth is more nuanced."

(11-06-2014 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Statistics can be misleading.

As Mark Twain said:

There are 3 types of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Statistics alone prove very little. These is a lot more context that goes into these statistics.

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As a more philosophical point beyond this thread--no, they (statistics) are not inherently mendacious, as Twain insists. As I alluded to above, 2 + 2 will never equal 5. Numbers are never mendacious in themselves, it's people who are mendacious due to their ignorance and/or malice in their myth-making and narrative-formation when interpreting them.

I see that Twain quote (or its paraphrases) all the time, in varied contexts, and I find it just as vacuous as Marilyn Monroe and Taylor Swift quotes--it's the chorus of the quantitatively illiterate.

Trading words without quantitative support is how fields like Cultural Studies arise.

(11-06-2014 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  It's also true that 70% of porn actresses are White.

Does this mean that White women are the biggest whores?

No. There are other factors at play. Race is not the only factor.

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Most "school shooters" are White.

Does this mean that Whites are more likely to shoot innocent people.

No. They are other factors at play. Race is not the only factor.

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On porn actresses, this is fallacious for two reasons that I immediately see:

1. You are making the rhetorical/numerical gaffe you did earlier with the mentioning of whites being the majority of welfare recipients.

The majority of people in the U.S. are white, so of any population in America that does x or is y, one would expect the majority of them to be white. Assuming your figure of 70% is correct, this would suggest that white women are less of whores based on arithmetic properties alone (and holding demand equal, as discused below) and the white share of 20-34 year-olds as of July 1st, 2009, which is 77.3% (you can verify by downloading the U.S. Census data, and taking: =SUM(E13:E15)/SUM(C13:C15))

2. The quantity of pornographic actresses by race (or as I prefer to say it, population group) is set by both supply and demand curves. Population Group A and B may have identical supply curves (i.e. degrees of whoritude), but if the demand for Group A is higher, the quantity supplied of A will be higher. And let's just be polite and say that the demand for pornographic actresses of given backgrounds is not identical... So less "whorish" population Group X could have greater quantities in pornography due to greater demand.

Whereas for criminality, there is no such demand curve. It's supply-driven.

1. also easily explains why most school shooters are white. It would actually be bizarre if most American school shooters weren't white.

(11-06-2014 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Blacks commit more street crime. Is this because of the color of their skin or because they are the ones dealing with the realities of the street life? (poverty, lack of families, glorification of violence, etc. )

Let's not step on the euphemism-treadmill with "street crime." It's violent crime--rapes, murders, assault etc.

And notice that the same cognitive dispositions that will lead one to commit violent crime are ones that will associate negatively with wealth accumulation and family formation.

Not necessarily directed toward Giovonny: Some of the posts on RVF making excuses and regurgitating cultural-leftist narratives on behalf of blacks and latinos would get mocked to death and result in bans for suspected trolling if one substituted "blacks" and "latinos" with "women." It seems that some of us do not recognize the parallels between the mainstream PC discourse in treating non-Asian minorities and women when it comes to myth-making and "who?" "whom?".

On a follow-up side note on affirmative action in white-collar jobs:
My division (at a large corporation) regularly tosses away resumes with 3.6+s (GPA) in majors like Mathematics, Computer Science, Statistics, and/or Finance (many times double majors thereof) from schools such as Cornell, Wharton, Stern, MIT, and CMU, etc. if it's coming from a Wang, Chang, Chen, Singh, Patel, etc.... but will go out of our/their way to interview blacks and latinos with 3.2s in weaker fields like Accounting or Management from Mediocre School X. Gentile white males and Jews fall in the middle, but closer to the treatment of East and South Asians.

This is not hyperbole--I've long dis-associated myself from the recruiting process for this reason. I also have never really cared for hiring decisions, since I only planned on staying for a few years.

Some preference is given to women, but not nearly to the extent that are blacks and latinos. I recognize this is anecdotal--however, other Fortune 500 companies likely don't operate too dissimilarly from this.

Post: #117

(11-06-2014 08:47 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Statistics can be misleading.

As Mark Twain said:

There are 3 types of lies. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Statistics alone prove very little. These is a lot more context that goes into these statistics.

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As a more philosophical point beyond this thread--no, they (statistics) are not inherently mendacious, as Twain insists. As I alluded to above, 2 + 2 will never equal 5. Numbers are never mendacious in themselves, it's people who are mendacious due to their ignorance and/or malice in their myth-making and narrative-formation when interpreting them.

I see that Twain quote (or its paraphrases) all the time, in varied contexts, and I find it just as vacuous as Marilyn Monroe and Taylor Swift quotes--it's the chorus of the quantitatively illiterate.

Trading words without quantitative support is how fields like Cultural Studies arise.

(11-06-2014 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  It's also true that 70% of porn actresses are White.

Does this mean that White women are the biggest whores?

No. There are other factors at play. Race is not the only factor.

---

Most "school shooters" are White.

Does this mean that Whites are more likely to shoot innocent people.

No. They are other factors at play. Race is not the only factor.

---

On porn actresses, this is fallacious for two reasons that I immediately see:

1. You are making the rhetorical/numerical gaffe you did earlier with the mentioning of whites being the majority of welfare recipients.

The majority of people in the U.S. are white, so of any population in America that does x or is y, one would expect the majority of them to be white. Assuming your figure of 70% is correct, this would suggest that white women are less of whores based on arithmetic properties alone (and holding demand equal, as discused below) and the white share of 20-34 year-olds as of July 1st, 2009, which is 77.3% (you can verify by downloading the U.S. Census data, and taking: =SUM(E13:E15)/SUM(C13:C15))

2. The quantity of pornographic actresses by race (or as I prefer to say it, population group) is set by both supply and demand curves. Population Group A and B may have identical supply curves (i.e. degrees of whoritude), but if the demand for Group A is higher, the quantity supplied of A will be higher. And let's just be polite and say that the demand for pornographic actresses of given backgrounds is not identical... So less "whorish" population Group X could have greater quantities in pornography due to greater demand.

Whereas for criminality, there is no such demand curve. It's supply-driven.

1. also easily explains why most school shooters are white. It would actually be bizarre if most American school shooters weren't white.

(11-06-2014 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Blacks commit more street crime. Is this because of the color of their skin or because they are the ones dealing with the realities of the street life? (poverty, lack of families, glorification of violence, etc. )

Let's not step on the euphemism-treadmill with "street crime." It's violent crime--rapes, murders, assault etc.

And notice that the same cognitive dispositions that will lead one to commit violent crime are ones that will associate negatively with wealth accumulation and family formation.

Not necessarily directed toward Giovonny: Some of the posts on RVF making excuses and regurgitating cultural-leftist narratives on behalf of blacks and latinos would get mocked to death and result in bans for suspected trolling if one substituted "blacks" and "latinos" with "women." It seems that some of us do not recognize the parallels between the mainstream PC discourse in treating non-Asian minorities and women when it comes to myth-making and "who?" "whom?".

On a follow-up side note on affirmative action in white-collar jobs:
My division (at a large corporation) regularly tosses away resumes with 3.6+s (GPA) in majors like Mathematics, Computer Science, Statistics, and/or Finance (many times double majors thereof) from schools such as Cornell, Wharton, Stern, MIT, and CMU, etc. if it's coming from a Wang, Chang, Chen, Singh, Patel, etc.... but will go out of our/their way to interview blacks and latinos with 3.2s in weaker fields like Accounting or Management from Mediocre School X. Gentile white males and Jews fall in the middle, but closer to the treatment of East and South Asians.

This is not hyperbole--I've long dis-associated myself from the recruiting process for this reason. I also have never really cared for hiring decisions, since I only planned on staying for a few years.

Some preference is given to women, but not nearly to the extent that are blacks and latinos. I recognize this is anecdotal--however, other Fortune 500 companies likely don't operate too dissimilarly from this.

This is a beautiful breakdown and statistical analysis !

I don't agree with all of your conclusions but I do appreciate the way that you present your argument.

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Obviously, we can both use statistics to argue our point.

But, like we both know, statistics can be very misleading.

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I stated that 70% of porn actresses are White. You correctly explained how this stat does not prove anything in regards to race.

I stated that the majority of school shooters and "white collar" criminals are White. You correctly explained how this stat does not prove anything in regards to race.

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Now, lets look at crime statistics...

Black neighborhoods tend to have more violent crime.

Why?

Is this only because of the color of their skin?

Or, are there other factors at play? (poverty, lack of education, destruction of family unit, welfare, etc.)

Please use your knowledge and skills of statistics to breakdown this question ?

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Also, I will ask you a simple question..

Do you think that Black neighborhoods tend to be more violent because of the color of their skin?

Or, do you think that the violence is the result of a combination and variety of socio-economic factors.

Or, is it both?

Please explain.

(Edit: If you think your answer is too politically incorrect for this forum, pm me)

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After observing your ability to breakdown stats, I really look forward to your answer.

I'm not being sarcastic! My beliefs are not set in stone. I am open to change.

If you can convince me to change my thinking, I will update my beliefs.

Post: #118

The majority of people in the U.S. are white, so of any population in America that does x or is y, one would expect the majority of them to be white.
^^^^
If in fact this is true Kabal explain to me how a population that accounts for a mere 12% of the countries population manages to account 40% of it's incarcerations? 6 times the national avg.

By your logic, shouldn't the majority be white?

Is it because blacks/latino's are inherently wicked?

Or can your bag of algebraic equations explain this phenomenon?

Post: #119

(11-07-2014 03:49 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  The majority of people in the U.S. are white, so of any population in America that does x or is y, one would expect the majority of them to be white.
^^^^
If in fact this is true Kabal explain to me how a population that accounts for a mere 12% of the countries population manages to account 40% of it's incarcerations? 6 times the national avg.

By your logic, shouldn't the majority be white?

Is it because blacks/latino's are inherently wicked?

Or can your bag of algebraic equations explain this phenomenon?

Stop racebaiting and look to your own.

Maybe the high levels of single motherhood, because single mothers get more welfare money, has something to do with it?

Post: #120

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Post: #121

(11-07-2014 08:30 PM)dholland662 Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 03:49 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  The majority of people in the U.S. are white, so of any population in America that does x or is y, one would expect the majority of them to be white.
^^^^
If in fact this is true Kabal explain to me how a population that accounts for a mere 12% of the countries population manages to account 40% of it's incarcerations? 6 times the national avg.

By your logic, shouldn't the majority be white?

Is it because blacks/latino's are inherently wicked?

Or can your bag of algebraic equations explain this phenomenon?

Stop racebaiting and look to your own.

Maybe the high levels of single motherhood, because single mothers get more welfare money, has something to do with it?

Oh ok, it's because of single moms getting more welfare $?

Silly me - I gotta give it to you, didn't think of that one

And it only took 30 words to simplify such a complex issue

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Yea, check out Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. They go over how the policies designed to help blacks and hispanics actually hurt them.

Post: #123

Laughed so hard when it ended up being a video to sell shirts.

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I love how you used college admissions to make your claim that black people benefit the most from affirmative-action, as if college admissions are all that is included with affirmative action. That trick isn't going to work on me, and I doubt it will work on most people on this board. Affirmative-action encompassed a lot more than just college admissions, and most of those jobs, perks, loans, etc. that fell under an affirmative action umbrella benefitted white women.

I personally don't have an issue with Asians, but since you decided to bring them up, Asians have gotten their fair share of perks. If there is some bias against them entering college, as you say, it's only because they are already more than well represented on campuses all over America. Japanese people received compensation for their time in internment camps during the 40s. (Reparations) There is also no shortage of Asian store, gas station, and other small business ownership. Which is astounding to me, since there's absolutely no way they could have a Social Security number or appropriate background check or credit history tracking in the short period of time from coming here to business ownership. Again, it doesn't really bother me how well they're doing in America. However, I'm not blind to the fact that they are more than treated fairly here. Even more glaring when you consider the fact that an American could own absolutely nothing in most of the lands they hail from.

At some point everyone is going to need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But you have to have boots first! All I'm saying is that the level of unfairness, sabotage, and downright attempts at genocide were so terrible against black people, that it's going to take longer than 50 years to turn things around. Longer still if people, such as yourself, pretend that it didn't happen, and in some cases still happening.

Post: #125

I know multiple studies have been done across cultures that show no matter the race, boys raised without fathers are far more likely to become criminals. It's something extreme, such as a 1000% higher chance of becoming a violent criminal. They've done these studies in Finland, America, South America, etc. the results are the same - single moms produce criminals.

Great book on this topic is called "The Garbage Generation," very good read. You can read it for free with a quick google search.