(09-21-2018 03:34 AM)randomA Wrote:  How come you're all so lucky to be the first one from tinder whom they go out with and lose virginity to.
Not trying to be sarcastic, just genuinely curious. And y'all are just probably damn coincidentally lucky.

In the 4+ years I've been going over to Jakarta I've actually come across quite a few guys with similar self proclaimed air-tight solid tinder game.

And as it turns out, a lot have all banged the same 'high quality virgins'. Fancy that...

(09-20-2018 10:17 PM)Vancity29 Wrote:  I have met lots of really nice, high quality girls from Tinder all over the world. Irish seems to have a hate on for Tinder and the girls on it but I think it is unfounded. There are plenty of great girls on Tinder. I think its silly to sit at home and swipe and do nothing else but Tinder has continuously provided me with great girls I would have never met otherwise. Of course a few grenades too. Tinder is a great addition to day/night game and to not use it is a handicap.

Yes Tinder is also full of ladyboys, hookers and 3s dressed up as 9s. Sometimes they sneak passed the filter system and I end up on a date with them. I just chill for 20 mins and then excuse myself. Most of the time you can see through the bullshit before a date though and avoid that.

Just to clarify. It's not so much tinder which I have a disliking for (or rather all online dating apps generally). After all it is what it is. But rather the dudes who are hopelessly dependent on it as their sole and only source of meeting chicks. That's fine if that's your bag. But what irritates me is when they genuinely believe that their 'tinder game' is on such an elite level that out of the bazillions of men who swipe relentlessly all day long that they are the only one's who've cracked the secret code to unlock the higher echleons of quality unicorns who just cannot be found anywhere during the day or in any bar or nightclub. If I had a dollar for every time I ran into a 'tinder specialist' I'd be doing bottle service every night.

In addition to that they tend to have the unfounded assumption that any chick who has ever set foot in a social setting where alcohol has been consumed is some sort of high mileage slut. However chicks who sign up to an online app which is specifically designed to enable complete strangers to meet and fuck, are pure high class innocent snowflakes who only ever swiped right once on your profile and nobody elses because of your "DHV photos" and carefully sculpted 4 paragraph profile blurb which nobody has ever read.

What usually is the reality is that most of these dudes have reality-weaved this tinder-mPUA persona to protect their ego from the knowledge that deep down the mere thought of cold approaching a girl in real life would make them shit their pants and are completely out of their depth in a bar/nightclub situation.

Sure I get bars/clubs aren't for everyone. In which case do daygame then (which ain't for me). But don't kid yourself that banging a chick that had already swiped right on your photo required any kind of advanced game to pull. Or that yours is the only cock she's ever seen. I've lost count of the number of time i've heard guys boasting about tinder virgins they banged that just so happened to also know how to give an 'amazing blowjob'

This rant is in not directed at you Vancity29, rather it's those dudes who go to a city and don't even leave the apartment and spend all day swiping (which from reading your posts, i know is not you). Then stink up this Jakarta thread with their "all indonesian girls are like xyz..." opinions based purely on their tinder+ swipe-to-match ratios when they've not even been out to the bars/clubs once, or even ventured out their front door yet. Some even dictate to us how it is in Jakarta without having even visited the country before

And similarly I do get what you are saying: Sure I'm am not a fan of tinder, I find it too much of a grind, and too much SIF risk. But, every now and again I'll find a glitch in the matrix and end up hooking up with a pretty solid chick that I matched. But generally that's once in a blue moon occurrence. All the guys I know who bang the best quality tail tell me the same thing.

So Tinder is fine and has it's place, nothing wrong with it. But personally for me I just pull far superior quality when I'm out at night. Plus I am a party animal and I enjoy the buzz of cold approaching and social circle game in the bar/nightclub scene far far more. Hence that's my main source of girls. But of course that won't stop me from having the odd swipe here and there. But if tinder is your ONLY way of meeting chicks, then I'm sorry but you have no game (again, not directed at you personally)

   

The high quality virgin girls in Jakarta on tinder are the ones that have never heard of thamrin residence.....

(09-21-2018 11:48 AM)Irish Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 03:34 AM)randomA Wrote:  How come you're all so lucky to be the first one from tinder whom they go out with and lose virginity to.
Not trying to be sarcastic, just genuinely curious. And y'all are just probably damn coincidentally lucky.

In the 4+ years I've been going over to Jakarta I've actually come across quite a few guys with similar self proclaimed air-tight solid tinder game.

And as it turns out, a lot have all banged the same 'high quality virgins'. Fancy that...

(09-20-2018 10:17 PM)Vancity29 Wrote:  I have met lots of really nice, high quality girls from Tinder all over the world. Irish seems to have a hate on for Tinder and the girls on it but I think it is unfounded. There are plenty of great girls on Tinder. I think its silly to sit at home and swipe and do nothing else but Tinder has continuously provided me with great girls I would have never met otherwise. Of course a few grenades too. Tinder is a great addition to day/night game and to not use it is a handicap.

Yes Tinder is also full of ladyboys, hookers and 3s dressed up as 9s. Sometimes they sneak passed the filter system and I end up on a date with them. I just chill for 20 mins and then excuse myself. Most of the time you can see through the bullshit before a date though and avoid that.

Just to clarify. It's not so much tinder which I have a disliking for (or rather all online dating apps generally). After all it is what it is. But rather the dudes who are hopelessly dependent on it as their sole and only source of meeting chicks. That's fine if that's your bag. But what irritates me is when they genuinely believe that their 'tinder game' is on such an elite level that out of the bazillions of men who swipe relentlessly all day long that they are the only one's who've cracked the secret code to unlock the higher echleons of quality unicorns who just cannot be found anywhere during the day or in any bar or nightclub. If I had a dollar for every time I ran into a 'tinder specialist' I'd be doing bottle service every night.

In addition to that they tend to have the unfounded assumption that any chick who has ever set foot in a social setting where alcohol has been consumed is some sort of high mileage slut. However chicks who sign up to an online app which is specifically designed to enable complete strangers to meet and fuck, are pure high class innocent snowflakes who only ever swiped right once on your profile and nobody elses because of your "DHV photos" and carefully sculpted 4 paragraph profile blurb which nobody has ever read.

What usually is the reality is that most of these dudes have reality-weaved this tinder-mPUA persona to protect their ego from the knowledge that deep down the mere thought of cold approaching a girl in real life would make them shit their pants and are completely out of their depth in a bar/nightclub situation.

Sure I get bars/clubs aren't for everyone. In which case do daygame then (which ain't for me). But don't kid yourself that banging a chick that had already swiped right on your photo required any kind of advanced game to pull. Or that yours is the only cock she's ever seen. I've lost count of the number of time i've heard guys boasting about tinder virgins they banged that just so happened to also know how to give an 'amazing blowjob'

This rant is in not directed at you Vancity29, rather it's those dudes who go to a city and don't even leave the apartment and spend all day swiping (which from reading your posts, i know is not you). Then stink up this Jakarta thread with their "all indonesian girls are like xyz..." opinions based purely on their tinder+ swipe-to-match ratios when they've not even been out to the bars/clubs once, or even ventured out their front door yet. Some even dictate to us how it is in Jakarta without having even visited the country before

And similarly I do get what you are saying: Sure I'm am not a fan of tinder, I find it too much of a grind, and too much SIF risk. But, every now and again I'll find a glitch in the matrix and end up hooking up with a pretty solid chick that I matched. But generally that's once in a blue moon occurrence. All the guys I know who bang the best quality tail tell me the same thing.

So Tinder is fine and has it's place, nothing wrong with it. But personally for me I just pull far superior quality when I'm out at night. Plus I am a party animal and I enjoy the buzz of cold approaching and social circle game in the bar/nightclub scene far far more. Hence that's my main source of girls. But of course that won't stop me from having the odd swipe here and there. But if tinder is your ONLY way of meeting chicks, then I'm sorry but you have no game (again, not directed at you personally)

I actually agree with everything you have said.

Even though it wasn't directed at me ill clarify my position on it. I do not think my "Tinder Game" is next level and I am definitely not bragging about being some sort of Tinder PUA railing innocent virgin 8s. I am the first to tell everyone that maybe 70% of girls I meet are 6s. 20% are 7s and 5% are 5s and below that I need to pull the shoot on. Maybe just 5% is that diamond in the rough lottery match that you end up really vibing with long term. I also know very well that most of the Tinder girls in places like Jakarta are constantly going out and fucking with any new decent looking guy who has matched. I Met a forum member last night and we quickly discovered we are eskimos. Interestingly enough the girl in common played the whole innocent girl game.

There ARE for sure innocent girls on Tinder and guys do get lucky and meet girls for LTR and virgins but its not the norm. The truth for me is I am not looking for innocent. I am not looking for a GF or wife on Tinder. I am looking to focus on business and money during the morning and day and have some easy love at night and get to bed early. Game level required for Tinder is very low. However, the easiest lays are found on Tinder. Better quality can be found at clubs or daygame but that also requires a lot more effort. I do make that effort sometimes but not every night. Im a bit older and ive grown bored of clubs. I dont want to drink every night either. I dont put a lot of time into Tinder either. I have developed a system that works for me. I spend less than 20 minutes a day. I have a copy paste routine that filters out time wasters and gets a date set up asap.

So to all you dorks who think your game is tight because you smash tinder girls, smarten up. 95% of the time we all smashed that girl too. Enjoy the lay but keep it real.

Both views aren't representative.. a tinder couch potato who draws conclusions about a city while he's not even been there isn't a trusted opinion obviously, but at the same time a dude who goes to high end clubs and spills hundreds of dollars on the regular there and getting hotties as a result isn't representative either.

While the latter is more impressive, it's still not what the average guy with average means coming to the city can do.

(09-22-2018 06:15 AM)Malo Wrote:  Both views aren't representative.. a tinder couch potato who draws conclusions about a city while he's not even been there isn't a trusted opinion obviously, but at the same time a dude who goes to high end clubs and spills hundreds of dollars on the regular there and getting hotties as a result isn't representative either.

While the latter is more impressive, it's still not what the average guy with average means coming to the city can do.

You don't need to spend hundred of dollars to go to the top clubs in Jakarta. Nor do you need to spend hundreds of dollars to pull the best girls.

I think jealousy plays a part here. Tinder snipers or swipers usually stay home during night and are more price conscious, and it’s an easy way to play you might argue, but I think a lot are doing it because they dont have the instant social circle that you get if you settle in one place. To compensate not going out getting girls, it’s to swipe or daygame, but many people need to work during the day.

On the other hand, night gamers don’t really want to bother with tinder because it’s frustrating. Why not just get some beers and go out? And then tinder swipers post some impressive lay reports and night gamers are skeptical about quality. The truth is quality might not be the best like a 10 but probably it would make a swiper happy and that’s all it matters at the moment for the swiper.

I think in terms of numbers the forum probably has more of an introverted traveling nomad population and there are more people in the swiper camp. You do see a lot more tinder lay reports these days.

I bet 90% of Tinder sluts in Jakarta also go to clubs, and 90% of club sluts in Jakarta are also on Tinder. Everyone's meeting the same carousel riders, just through different means.

Neither venue is particularly reliable to meet high quality virgin unicorns in my experience.

I'm not saying they don't exist, I've personally met quality girls from Tinder and from clubs. But let's remember they are the exception, not the rule.

Many people here are writing about daygame like it's done regularly in Jakarta.

When I was there I found daygaming and direct approaching extremely aggravating, because I felt everyone was watching me all the time and often also talking about me, just because I'm Bule, even without me talking to any random girls. I'm sure my beard was also an additional reason for that

In general beards aren't seen as attractive in Asia, but in Indonesia it felt even more stigmatized than in other SEA countries.

Anyway, are here guys who really daygamed in Jakarta? I mean I had an instadate, but I talked to her on the street without anybody else being near while she was on her way to Grand Indo. Rare coincidence.

I changed my location to Jakarta on Tinder on Friday afternoon -Jakarta time-. My Tinder profile does not have professional photos. In 18 hours, I got 60 likes. Only one other country can beat this number and you all know which one is that

Out of 60 likes received, two were shemales, three were escorts. I would consider 17 of them 6 or above. Of course, the rating is subjective but who cares. If I start chatting, I am sure I would eliminate few more. There was only one 8 but she was an escort.

I chatted with a few. I invited one for coffee in GI mall. When she accepted, I asked her to come to my room in Thamrin Residence instead. She said meeting in GI mall would be better I never invite a girl directly to my place since I would like to see how she looks like first and whether she is mentally normal but hey it was fun to do the experiment.

In my experience of travelling to other countries, Tinder does not show you the best profiles unless you are actually in the city. I expect I could get a few better looking women if I were in Jakarta.

Out of 60, six or seven had pictures taken in different cities around the world and/or in nightclubs so I would consider them rich enough. When I was in Jakarta, a Tinder match would take me to a nightclub with her friends. I cancelled it when she was on her way to pick me up. Girls going to nightclubs and on Tinder are not mutually exclusive.

Regardless of you use night-game or Tinder, stop fighting. You are all (eskimo) brothers

I stopped reading at "so I changed my location to Jakarta on tinder..."

Irish seems to think everyone is balling.

And honestly, the only "game" you in Indonesia is to NOT be Indonesian.

Tonight I went to the club Dragonfly. It was packed to the brim with guys and the just a few girls. The girls that were in there were the same average looking girls I see on Tinder. Because there were so many guys, they were getting constantly approached and bitch shields were high. Waited 15 minutes in a lineup to buy a $14 drink and after inhaling a full pack of second hand smoke while I drank it, I decided to bounce. Might have just been an off night but I have been seeing this all over the world. This night keeps replaying for me like groundhog day.

I struggle to find what is so great about nightgame. A lot of nights are like tonight was. Giant waste of time and money. Pickup in clubs is actually much more difficult and hassle than online and daygame and for the same quality girls. What is the benefit of getting the same girl in that atmosphere? Yes in a club she has squeezed into a small dress and spent an hour with her makeup, but she is the same girl who is on tinder monday to friday and walking through the mall. How many clubs have a good ratio of guys to girls? Not many. Most of the time its the same scene. A bunch of thirsty guys hounding over average girls. All the talk before of no innocent girls on Tinder... Yes it is tough to find them. Just as tough to find them in a club though. Club girls are probably worse. Club girls are not usually GF material. I have been turned off from clubs for awhile now and see much more success from online and daygame. I understand there is no right way and everyone has their style and game that works for them. I think club game works better for a salesman type of personality.



The following are the negative points I see in Nightgame assuming you are not a local with connections at club.

- Wait in the lineup like a peon to get access to the club
- Wait in line at the bar to get your overpriced drink (Money isnt an issue in my life but i still feel like a sucker paying $14 for a drink worth $1 that I finish in 5 minutes.)
- Trying to show fake enthusiasm dancing to some Dj playing the same set of music you hear on the radio
- Music too loud to even have a decent conversation with any girls you approach
- Ratio usually terrible resulting in high bitch shields
- Girls out with friends so its much more difficult to get them home with you. (They dont wanna look bad in front of their friends)
- End up staying out too late and fucking with your sleep pattern
- End up drinking too much resulting in hangover
- Wasting Money
- Most nights do not take girl home.

(09-21-2018 03:34 AM)randomA Wrote:  How come you're all so lucky to be the first one from tinder whom they go out with and lose virginity to.
Not trying to be sarcastic, just genuinely curious. And y'all are just probably damn coincidentally lucky.

They play virgin game , A few white lads out there play virgin game too. Apparently very successful

I changed my location on Tinder to Jakarta a few days ago See my post above for the statistical results.

There are enough number of girls on Tinder and nightlife in Jakarta so the law of large numbers apply. Hence, the expected number of 6s, 7s, and 8s should be represented more or less equally on Tinder and nightlife. 8s and "good girls" on tinder and nightlife are "tail probability", that is, they exist but they are rare. My personal experience of visiting different Jakarta nightclubs also validates this.

If you do night-game only and works for you, it is great. If you do Tinder only and works for you, it is great. If you mix and match night-game and Tinder, and works for you, it is great. I am happy for you.

To get this thread back on track, I am in the process of arranging my trips for 2019 (yaaay). I consider visiting Indonesia again. Can you recommend me other locations/apartments to stay in Jakarta, other than Thamrin Residences, and locations for Surabaya. There have always been some forum members who provided useful information so far, and this is why I like this forum. If you want, PM me. Thanks in advance.

Vancity yeah I have friends with the same mindset as you and you probably won’t enjoy clubs. You have to have a sort of carefree attitude about nightlife to enjoy it. If you take it personally when they don’t let you in or take a while to serve you or the price of drinks etc... you’re gonna have a shit time.

Btw they’re not selling you a 1$ drink for 14$ because that 1$ drink comes in a place that costs hundreds of thousands if not more to buy/rent, and more to decorate, sound system, lights, staff that serves it salaries, etc... those drinks pay for all that. Clubs are very difficult business.

As for Tinder I use it and have no problem with it but I agree with Irish that in a lot of cities where I lived/visited the top girls that you’ll see in clubs wouldn’t be caught dead on tinder. I dunno about Jakarta since I’m not one of the “spoof tinder to a location and become an expert” dudes.

(09-23-2018 04:51 PM)Beirut Wrote:  Vancity yeah I have friends with the same mindset as you and you probably won’t enjoy clubs. You have to have a sort of carefree attitude about nightlife to enjoy it. If you take it personally when they don’t let you in or take a while to serve you or the price of drinks etc... you’re gonna have a shit time.

I definitely do not take it personally when i am waiting in a line to get into the club or to get a drink. That would be silly. I take it as a waste of time. My point was that there are these obstacles in the way to get to these club girls. The Same club girls you can meet online or in daygame. If your goal is to go out and have drinks and dance then I understand why you would like clubs. What I am saying is that for pickup, there are much more optimized ways.

For above average looking guys with good photos those clubs girls who are hard to get to in the club are just a quick DM away.

(09-23-2018 01:39 AM)Vancity29 Wrote:  The following are the negative points I see in Nightgame assuming you are not a local with connections at club.

- Wait in the lineup like a peon to get access to the club
- Wait in line at the bar to get your overpriced drink (Money isnt an issue in my life but i still feel like a sucker paying $14 for a drink worth $1 that I finish in 5 minutes.)
- Trying to show fake enthusiasm dancing to some Dj playing the same set of music you hear on the radio
- Music too loud to even have a decent conversation with any girls you approach
- Ratio usually terrible resulting in high bitch shields
- Girls out with friends so its much more difficult to get them home with you. (They dont wanna look bad in front of their friends)
- End up staying out too late and fucking with your sleep pattern
- End up drinking too much resulting in hangover
- Wasting Money
- Most nights do not take girl home.

also
>those girls who only go to the club to dance because they're interested in the music or dancing exclusively with their group of friends. [???]

I swear to god i've seen this only in asia and i'll never figure it out.

(09-23-2018 11:40 PM)Vancity29 Wrote:  I definitely do not take it personally when i am waiting in a line to get into the club or to get a drink. That would be silly. I take it as a waste of time.

Isn't going to the cinema a waste of time? Drive there, stand in line.. you can watch the movie at home. People just like to go the cinema. It's not "essential" so to see a movie. It's just preference.

Has anyone tried netflix and chilling with those hijab chicks? Is that a thing or those chicks are off limit?

(09-23-2018 01:39 AM)Vancity29 Wrote:  Tonight I went to the club Dragonfly. It was packed to the brim with guys and the just a few girls. The girls that were in there were the same average looking girls I see on Tinder. Because there were so many guys, they were getting constantly approached and bitch shields were high. Waited 15 minutes in a lineup to buy a $14 drink and after inhaling a full pack of second hand smoke while I drank it, I decided to bounce. Might have just been an off night but I have been seeing this all over the world. This night keeps replaying for me like groundhog day.

I struggle to find what is so great about nightgame. A lot of nights are like tonight was. Giant waste of time and money. Pickup in clubs is actually much more difficult and hassle than online and daygame and for the same quality girls. What is the benefit of getting the same girl in that atmosphere? Yes in a club she has squeezed into a small dress and spent an hour with her makeup, but she is the same girl who is on tinder monday to friday and walking through the mall. How many clubs have a good ratio of guys to girls? Not many. Most of the time its the same scene. A bunch of thirsty guys hounding over average girls. All the talk before of no innocent girls on Tinder... Yes it is tough to find them. Just as tough to find them in a club though. Club girls are probably worse. Club girls are not usually GF material. I have been turned off from clubs for awhile now and see much more success from online and daygame. I understand there is no right way and everyone has their style and game that works for them. I think club game works better for a salesman type of personality.



The following are the negative points I see in Nightgame assuming you are not a local with connections at club.

- Wait in the lineup like a peon to get access to the club
- Wait in line at the bar to get your overpriced drink (Money isnt an issue in my life but i still feel like a sucker paying $14 for a drink worth $1 that I finish in 5 minutes.)
- Trying to show fake enthusiasm dancing to some Dj playing the same set of music you hear on the radio
- Music too loud to even have a decent conversation with any girls you approach
- Ratio usually terrible resulting in high bitch shields
- Girls out with friends so its much more difficult to get them home with you. (They dont wanna look bad in front of their friends)
- End up staying out too late and fucking with your sleep pattern
- End up drinking too much resulting in hangover
- Wasting Money
- Most nights do not take girl home.

Friday is the big night at DF. The Saturday crowd is completely different, very local and a bit pikey cos they started to play the local techno music which is normally played in the dodgy Kota clubs. Of the 30+ times I've been there, only a handful of times was on a Saturday, but there was still some talent from memory. But every club can be hit and miss on any given night.

Since they completely changed the layout a couple years ago it's become very table heavy and there's not much space to mingle other than that. As a result, the best chicks will always be on tables and if you don't have the social connections from going there often it can be a struggle. I stopped recommending the place to forum guys now as they always strike out there and start hating on the place. Instead I recommend they stick with Basque and maybe Immigrant.

But if you're not into nightlife then nothing I or anyone on here can say to convince you otherwise. We are just into different things. There's plenty of other threads which discuss the relative merits of nightgame, daygame and online so no real point in flogging a dead horse here. The points you laid out are all valid and true to someone who doesn't like clubs. Yes the drinks are overpriced, queuing at the bar sucks, music often can be deafening, the boozing and late nights screw with your sleep and productivity. etc And if you're obviously not enjoying yourself, you're gonna struggle to take any girl home.

In addition to that I expect you and I would go for completely different kind of girls. My favourites are the hot club socialites who are probably great for a bang but not ideal LTR material (although I've met and dated many great chicks from clubs before). But I'm into them because they match my personality type. And I'm the kind of guy they're into too. You on the other hand I would expect would have a very different personality and hence also into very different type of girls. Ones who don't frequent the bar and club scene I assume. Which is fine. Horses for courses and all that.

For guys like myself, Beruit and plenty others who are into our nightlife, we are probably of the social butterfly personality types. There's nothing I love more than hitting up my regular favourite venues where I know loads of people, partying it up with friends and chicks and making new friends (and meeting new chicks). Getting crunked and all the random crazy shit that happens as the night progresses. Then it's getting together for brunch the next day and having a laugh at all the random stories from the night before. To someone who isn't into boozing or nightlife, all this I'm sure would seem retarded. But we don't see nightlife and nightgame as a means to an end (ie something to endure in the process of getting laid). Rather we enjoy the actual whole process of going out, getting laid is of course great but I've lost count of the number of chicks I could've brought home early on in the night but instead took a number/ditched because I wanted to stay out and keep partying.

Similarly I've tried daygaming on a number of occasions but just cannot get into it at all. Walking up and down the same street all day long reeling off the same script to random chicks who are just trying to go about their business I find painfully boring and can't help but find myself constantly zoning out. Daygame in Singapore and JKT sucks however as I rarely see one fuckable girl every half hour of aimlessly walking about. Other guys however absolutely love it and cannot get enough. They'll get blown out all day long and come home without a single number, but you can tell they still got a buzz on out of their approaches. Also depends on location as well. When I was in Belgrade there was loads of cracking girls cutting about the main drag every day. While the nightlife I wasn't blown away by. I guess a lot depends where you are based when you started learning game.

All in all if you're not a nightlife person then Jakarta I suspect won't be a great place for you. As it's not got much else to offer than bars and clubs (and some nice restaurants too). You can't really walk about anywhere and there's not much else you can really do during the day other than visit a mall. Not sure how long you're going to be there for but will be interesting to see if you begin to take a shine for the place or not

MALO WROTE:
Isn't going to the cinema a waste of time? Drive there, stand in line.. you can watch the movie at home. People just like to go the cinema. It's not "essential" so to see a movie. It's just preference.

If I could watch brand new movies in HD from the comfort of my home I would. Unfortunately they get released in theaters first. I get your point though but its not quite the same thing as what Im saying. If you drove all the way to the theater, waited in line for the movies, and then the movie was terrible, you might think it was a waste of time. My point is that clubbing for the most part is not fun. But then Irish came along and made all these great points. It is not fun for me but it is fun for other. Sorry for shitting on it if you love it

(09-24-2018 07:59 AM)Irish Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 01:39 AM)Vancity29 Wrote:  Tonight I went to the club Dragonfly. It was packed to the brim with guys and the just a few girls. The girls that were in there were the same average looking girls I see on Tinder. Because there were so many guys, they were getting constantly approached and bitch shields were high. Waited 15 minutes in a lineup to buy a $14 drink and after inhaling a full pack of second hand smoke while I drank it, I decided to bounce. Might have just been an off night but I have been seeing this all over the world. This night keeps replaying for me like groundhog day.

I struggle to find what is so great about nightgame. A lot of nights are like tonight was. Giant waste of time and money. Pickup in clubs is actually much more difficult and hassle than online and daygame and for the same quality girls. What is the benefit of getting the same girl in that atmosphere? Yes in a club she has squeezed into a small dress and spent an hour with her makeup, but she is the same girl who is on tinder monday to friday and walking through the mall. How many clubs have a good ratio of guys to girls? Not many. Most of the time its the same scene. A bunch of thirsty guys hounding over average girls. All the talk before of no innocent girls on Tinder... Yes it is tough to find them. Just as tough to find them in a club though. Club girls are probably worse. Club girls are not usually GF material. I have been turned off from clubs for awhile now and see much more success from online and daygame. I understand there is no right way and everyone has their style and game that works for them. I think club game works better for a salesman type of personality.



The following are the negative points I see in Nightgame assuming you are not a local with connections at club.

- Wait in the lineup like a peon to get access to the club
- Wait in line at the bar to get your overpriced drink (Money isnt an issue in my life but i still feel like a sucker paying $14 for a drink worth $1 that I finish in 5 minutes.)
- Trying to show fake enthusiasm dancing to some Dj playing the same set of music you hear on the radio
- Music too loud to even have a decent conversation with any girls you approach
- Ratio usually terrible resulting in high bitch shields
- Girls out with friends so its much more difficult to get them home with you. (They dont wanna look bad in front of their friends)
- End up staying out too late and fucking with your sleep pattern
- End up drinking too much resulting in hangover
- Wasting Money
- Most nights do not take girl home.

Friday is the big night at DF. The Saturday crowd is completely different, very local and a bit pikey cos they started to play the local techno music which is normally played in the dodgy Kota clubs. Of the 30+ times I've been there, only a handful of times was on a Saturday, but there was still some talent from memory. But every club can be hit and miss on any given night.

Since they completely changed the layout a couple years ago it's become very table heavy and there's not much space to mingle other than that. As a result, the best chicks will always be on tables and if you don't have the social connections from going there often it can be a struggle. I stopped recommending the place to forum guys now as they always strike out there and start hating on the place. Instead I recommend they stick with Basque and maybe Immigrant.

But if you're not into nightlife then nothing I or anyone on here can say to convince you otherwise. We are just into different things. There's plenty of other threads which discuss the relative merits of nightgame, daygame and online so no real point in flogging a dead horse here. The points you laid out are all valid and true to someone who doesn't like clubs. Yes the drinks are overpriced, queuing at the bar sucks, music often can be deafening, the boozing and late nights screw with your sleep and productivity. etc And if you're obviously not enjoying yourself, you're gonna struggle to take any girl home.

In addition to that I expect you and I would go for completely different kind of girls. My favourites are the hot club socialites who are probably great for a bang but not ideal LTR material (although I've met and dated many great chicks from clubs before). But I'm into them because they match my personality type. And I'm the kind of guy they're into too. You on the other hand I would expect would have a very different personality and hence also into very different type of girls. Ones who don't frequent the bar and club scene I assume. Which is fine. Horses for courses and all that.

For guys like myself, Beruit and plenty others who are into our nightlife, we are probably of the social butterfly personality types. There's nothing I love more than hitting up my regular favourite venues where I know loads of people, partying it up with friends and chicks and making new friends (and meeting new chicks). Getting crunked and all the random crazy shit that happens as the night progresses. Then it's getting together for brunch the next day and having a laugh at all the random stories from the night before. To someone who isn't into boozing or nightlife, all this I'm sure would seem retarded. But we don't see nightlife and nightgame as a means to an end (ie something to endure in the process of getting laid). Rather we enjoy the actual whole process of going out, getting laid is of course great but I've lost count of the number of chicks I could've brought home early on in the night but instead took a number/ditched because I wanted to stay out and keep partying.

Similarly I've tried daygaming on a number of occasions but just cannot get into it at all. Walking up and down the same street all day long reeling off the same script to random chicks who are just trying to go about their business I find painfully boring and can't help but find myself constantly zoning out. Daygame in Singapore and JKT sucks however as I rarely see one fuckable girl every half hour of aimlessly walking about. Other guys however absolutely love it and cannot get enough. They'll get blown out all day long and come home without a single number, but you can tell they still got a buzz on out of their approaches. Also depends on location as well. When I was in Belgrade there was loads of cracking girls cutting about the main drag every day. While the nightlife I wasn't blown away by. I guess a lot depends where you are based when you started learning game.

All in all if you're not a nightlife person then Jakarta I suspect won't be a great place for you. As it's not got much else to offer than bars and clubs (and some nice restaurants too). You can't really walk about anywhere and there's not much else you can really do during the day other than visit a mall. Not sure how long you're going to be there for but will be interesting to see if you begin to take a shine for the place or not

Thanks for the advice on the clubs here. I get what you are saying. You love the environment of clubs and ya that is different than me, but I can see why you like it by how you describe it. I just rarely have experiences like that when i go these days. My style is not suited for it anymore I guess. When I was in my 20s I was always in the club and all the things I mentioned before never occurred to me.

I am not much of a club guy but I do like Jakarta a lot. Ive been having a great time here. Its been one of my favourite places ive visited this year believe it or not. I built up a little harem and have been very productive with my business. Im moving on this week to Bali but I could see myself returning sometime.

I went to DragonFly several months ago on a Wednesday and it was packed - probably one of the better clubs for Wednesday. I didn't care enough to check it out on the weekend though.

It is worth noting that DragonFly is very cliqueish, everyone there knows each other at least on Wednesday night. It's the type of place you have to go to a few times and pretty much break into the social circles to get a lot of fun out of it I think. I did meet a couple of people who were social butter flies and nice enough to introduce me to random regulars, but I still felt a bit out of place even after I loosened up.

Immigrant is pretty basic and it's overpriced like crazy, but the girls are more receptive there from my experience (been there multiple times). I only have been to Immigrant on Fri/Sat so it's not a fair comparison to DragonFly.

Don't think I've been to Basque, so no comment on that.


*I've been to both clubs with in the past 6 months.

Yes I think that Jakarta is a great place to get work done if you're the digital nomad type, as there's not much reason to waste your time outside unless doing some light daygame - it's hot, the traffic is horrible, and the city constantly smells like someone put a turd in the oven.

Take your laptop to Starbucks, then come nighttime decide which girl you want to meet out of the many that flood your inbox, after you boned her, then hit the clubs for a second shot.