Post: #301

(06-23-2015 07:51 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  The Pakistanis in northern England are usually Mirpuri, not Punjabi. I'm not sure how a Punjabi accent comes into it.

The video is not shocking to me at all, I saw a lot of incidents like this as a kid in UK. It’s just schoolkids beating the shit out of another schoolkid. This is being blown out of proportion. It about religion, or race?

Pakistanis in UK sometimes don't get on with other Muslims. Before the asylum seekers came in, there was no tension with whites and Pakistanis in the town:

The language they speak at home is Punjabi (sometimes Urdu though), hence why I said "English-Punjabi". It's a Northern English accent with a Punjabi twang. It's extremely distinctive and anyone who lives in Northern England would recognise it straight away.

It happens throughout England with Pakistanis (regional accent with a certain twang, though for some reason it often sounds kinda Yorkshire/Northern even if they're from the South!) - but it doesn't seem to happen with Indians or Arabs. Obviously I'm talking 2nd and 3rd generation here. The modern London accent has been heavily influenced by Jamaican, so I'm not saying it as a diss, just as a descriptive marker. That said, I do find both the punjabi-influenced accent and the Jamaican-influenced accents not very nice sounding.

I've mentioned it on the forum before:

(02-18-2015 05:39 AM)Teedub Wrote:  That cunt on the bottom left makes me angry. I can hear his accent in my head, like something out of Four Lions. No matter where in the country they were brought up, they all have that same fucking accent. Like Yorkshire mixed with Punjabi, innit.

On a serious note, I'd like to know how that accent developed, as it doesn't happen with Indians. It's probably a class thing.

Ah yeah Mirpuri, that's the place I was thinking of when I said the most "backwards" place.

There has been a history of problems in Bradford, before asylum seekers. It's a city divided on religious lines. My parents met at University there in the 80s and they always said there was nothing sinister in the air at all. Like I said in my post, the Islam they saw isn't the Islam that's there now. Communities did their best to mix. Something changed, and what that book I linked to explains is Islam became politicised by hardliners.

Post: #302

(06-23-2015 06:33 PM)Teedub Wrote:  There's definitely a problem in the Pakistani culture though. Or at least in the Pakistanis who emigrated to these Northern mill towns in the 60s/70s/80s. Apparently most came from the most backward part of that country and they all marry cousins etc, even to this day, so they haven't adapted or integrated beyond just learning/butchering the language.

There definitely happened something to Islam in the recent decades, although it was never a totally peaceful religion. I was recently reminded of the positive side by an upcoming movie on Khalil Gibran - a truly spiritual experience:





Of course it's more part of the great Sufi tradition, but still - that is Islam too.

Post: #303

(06-23-2015 08:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:The video is not shocking to me at all, I saw a lot of incidents like this as a kid in UK. It’s just schoolkids beating the shit out of another schoolkid. This is being blown out of proportion. It about religion, or race?

Lol, this never happened in my town growing up. Maybe you should rethink your assumptions.

I grew up in a town where there were always schoolkids fighting each other. It was almost always not about race or religion, it was usually kids of one school vs. another school.

Post: #304

(06-23-2015 06:33 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Didn't want to make another Islam or race thread, so thought I'd put this here. Someone sent me a link about this on my facebook and I'm shocked (but not surprised) that the media hasn't discussed it. If it was the other way round, there'd be an uproar of course. I've managed to find a copy on Youtube for embedding purposes.





You can tell who the assailants are by their accents at the end. It's the trademark Northern English-Punjabi hybrid that lots of working class/underclass British-Pakistanis have. Amir Khan included.

Ah, the joys of multicultural Bradford, eh. Before someone says that this happens the other way round....I'm sure it does, or at least used to. However, if it happened today the media would be on it right away and trying to turn it into a narrative about how all whites "need to look at themselves". Kind of like Salon did here, and were exposed.



This isn't a critique of Islam, but just a critique of what happens when you let immigrant communities self-ghettoise. Particularly hostile immigrant communities, which is where I might begin to criticise political Islam.

A question I've been thinking about for a while is why you don't see similar problems with Muslim immigrants in the US when anything you think the would be more discontent due to the many misadventures the US has had in the Middle East in the last few decades. Every now and then there will be some freak occurrence like the two guys who tried to shoot up that Muhammad art exhibit in Texas but it isn't like Europe where Muslims are filling up prisons and are regularly responsible for being drain on society. I think the self-ghettoizing you talk about is the big factor. Here in the US Muslims like any other minority group tend to congregate together but they still have regular contact with the rest of society. I've grown up and been around a lot of Muslims since I was a kid. Even the more hardcore devout ones had no violent inclinations whatsoever so it's making me think the religion is less important factor then other ones.

Post: #305

(06-24-2015 01:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:The video is not shocking to me at all, I saw a lot of incidents like this as a kid in UK. It’s just schoolkids beating the shit out of another schoolkid. This is being blown out of proportion. It about religion, or race?

Lol, this never happened in my town growing up. Maybe you should rethink your assumptions.

I grew up in a town where there were always schoolkids fighting each other. It was almost always not about race or religion, it was usually kids of one school vs. another school.

Kids were kicking each other in the head in your town?

Post: #306

(06-24-2015 02:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-24-2015 01:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:The video is not shocking to me at all, I saw a lot of incidents like this as a kid in UK. It’s just schoolkids beating the shit out of another schoolkid. This is being blown out of proportion. It about religion, or race?

Lol, this never happened in my town growing up. Maybe you should rethink your assumptions.

I grew up in a town where there were always schoolkids fighting each other. It was almost always not about race or religion, it was usually kids of one school vs. another school.

Kids were kicking each other in the head in your town?

Yes, it wasn't rare. Since there's no guns in UK, there's a lot of fist fighting.

Some of my friends were once suspended from school for 2 weeks for beating the shit out a random schoolkid and putting him in hospital. They were 14/15 years old at the time. If it happened nowadays they would have been expelled from school.

Post: #307

Quote:A question I've been thinking about for a while is why you don't see similar problems with Muslim immigrants in the US when anything you think the would be more discontent due to the many misadventures the US has had in the Middle East in the last few decades. Every now and then there will be some freak occurrence like the two guys who tried to shoot up that Muhammad art exhibit in Texas but it isn't like Europe where Muslims are filling up prisons and are regularly responsible for being drain on society. I think the self-ghettoizing you talk about is the big factor. Here in the US Muslims like any other minority group tend to congregate together but they still have regular contact with the rest of society. I've grown up and been around a lot of Muslims since I was a kid. Even the more hardcore devout ones had no violent inclinations whatsoever so it's making me think the religion is less important factor then other ones.

I think part of it is that in America most of the Muslims that immigrate here are higher class and wealthier. Where I am in the south-east we have a lot of Arabs from different countries and some Pakistanis and they tend to be in the merchant class or higher. Basically if you order from a pizza/Italian restaurant that isn't a chain like Little Caesars or Pizza Hut then you are ordering from a restaurant owned by Lebanese or Egyptian or Turkish or Syrian or whatever or sometimes Pakistani.

They are usually really nice and very westernized. The only problem I have is they tend to only hire their own and they still bring the idea of "it's ok to date/fuck/marry your women but not for you to do the same to our women" mentality. My brother was dating a girl whose family was originally from Jordan and they had to sneak around and make sure that she wasn't seen with him because a lot of Jordanian and other middle easterners lived in her apt complex.

We also seem to have a lot of gas stations, tobacco shops, and small IGA type grocery stores/markets owned and operated by muslims. Another thing that bugs me is that they get fast tracked on loans and business licenses, and have the ability to get minority scholarships and government loans. These are our tax dollars given to people who sometimes aren't even citizens yet.

Post: #308

(06-24-2015 11:39 PM)Troll King Wrote:  They are usually really nice and very westernized. The only problem I have is they tend to only hire their own and they still bring the idea of "it's ok to date/fuck/marry your women but not for you to do the same to our women" mentality. My brother was dating a girl whose family was originally from Jordan and they had to sneak around and make sure that she wasn't seen with him because a lot of Jordanian and other middle easterners lived in her apt complex.

I have found those restrictions backfire badly.

Post: #309

(06-24-2015 11:54 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

(06-24-2015 11:39 PM)Troll King Wrote:  They are usually really nice and very westernized. The only problem I have is they tend to only hire their own and they still bring the idea of "it's ok to date/fuck/marry your women but not for you to do the same to our women" mentality. My brother was dating a girl whose family was originally from Jordan and they had to sneak around and make sure that she wasn't seen with him because a lot of Jordanian and other middle easterners lived in her apt complex.

I have found those restrictions backfire badly.

Yup.

I don't know what percentage it is but I have met a number of middle eastern, especially mixed white/arab, girls who were very slutty .

Post: #310

We have millions of barely literate pakistani peasants here.

However you look at it, that's not a great thing.

Post: #311

It is a very sobering exercise to compare and contrast the media's reaction about Rotherham and its reaction over the US church shootings.

Post: #312

(06-25-2015 11:35 PM)N°6 Wrote:  It is a very sobering exercise to compare and contrast the media's reaction about Rotherham and its reaction over the US church shootings.

I think UVA and the 3 teenage girls who went to fight for ISIS are better comparisons.

Seriously, if it had been Muslim girls and white christian men I don't even know what would have happened.
The riots would still be going on now.

Post: #313

Millennial Woes is releasing the first of his Rotherham series next Wednesday. There will be 100 videos, with one released each day. Here is the trailer:

Post: #314

How can we give MillenialWoes exposure?

Post: #315

Accuse him of being a racist patriarchal shitlord spewing hate speech, I guess.

Post: #316

(06-25-2015 11:54 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:35 PM)N°6 Wrote:  It is a very sobering exercise to compare and contrast the media's reaction about Rotherham and its reaction over the US church shootings.

I think UVA and the 3 teenage girls who went to fight for ISIS are better comparisons.

Seriously, if it had been Muslim girls and white christian men I don't even know what would have happened.
The riots would still be going on now.

This strange alliance between bad Muslims and the Left smells like rabbit behavior to me. As you know Rabbits as local r-selected people cannot directly compete with local K-selected rivals. Hence they will betray their own kind and get the foreign K-selected peoples to kill off their local competition. By licking the boots of the invaders they hope to have their lives spared and get some poosy for themselves. Of course such things are going on in an unconscious level. If r/K evolutionary psychology is true.

Post: #317

What will happen if Muslim countries start to domino after Turkey? If it becomes too volatile. Mass transportation of testosterone-fueled cultures into Western Europe will not have the desired multicultural effect people would believe.

Post: #318

(08-21-2015 10:11 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:54 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 11:35 PM)N°6 Wrote:  It is a very sobering exercise to compare and contrast the media's reaction about Rotherham and its reaction over the US church shootings.

I think UVA and the 3 teenage girls who went to fight for ISIS are better comparisons.

Seriously, if it had been Muslim girls and white christian men I don't even know what would have happened.
The riots would still be going on now.

This strange alliance between bad Muslims and the Left smells like rabbit behavior to me. As you know Rabbits as local r-selected people cannot directly compete with local K-selected rivals. Hence they will betray their own kind and get the foreign K-selected peoples to kill off their local competition. By licking the boots of the invaders they hope to have their lives spared and get some poosy for themselves. Of course such things are going on in an unconscious level. If r/K evolutionary psychology is true.

Happened to the Persians after the mongels invaded. Leftists are all subs, no matter how "aggressive" some goon is.

Little do the realize that the muslims they boot lick will kill trans, gays, and beat the living snot out of any feminist.

Post: #319

Family of Rotherham girl fled country after abuse by Asian men, court told

Quote:The family of a “lovely” 13-year-old girl who claims to have been groomed for sex by Asian men in Rotherham were so afraid of her alleged abusers that they moved to Spain after their complaints to the police, social services, their MP and the home secretary went unresolved, a court has heard.

The girl, who cannot be named, is the main complainant in the trial of eight men from the South Yorkshire town who allegedly groomed and sexually exploited three underage girls between 1999 and 2003.

Now 27 and a campaigner against child sexual exploitation, she claims her abusers threatened to “gang rape” her mother if she didn’t submit to their sexual abuse, which took place largely in an alley behind Boots the Chemist in Rotherham town centre, in a local park and in bushes near Rotherham museum, Sheffield crown court heard on Tuesday.

She claims that Sageer Hussain, 30, first raped her behind Boots when she was 13 and later called her a “white slag” when she tried and failed to stop him. She told police that the first and second times he raped her, between 1 January and 4 April 2003, he told her to scream so that his friends, waiting nearby, would know to come and watch.

She claims that on another occasion she was driven to Rotherham’s Clifton Park by Hussain’s cousin, Mohammed Whied, who sat on the car bonnet watching while Hussain raped her inside. On a further occasion, Hussain allegedly raped her in bushes near the museum, calling her “a big baby” when she protested, then flicking cigarette ash in her hair, Michelle Colborne, QC, prosecuting, told the jury. A few days later he punched her in the face and threatened her with a crowbar and set light to an aerosol in her face, the barrister said.

Afterwards, the girl told her mother what had happened and gave a statement to police, alleging that various men had raped her, including Hussain. A medical examination in April 2013 recorded bruises to her thighs and bottom but she quickly withdrew the allegations and no charges were brought. Ten years later she re-reported the abuse to police, saying she had been threatened by the men at the time. “For example, they threatened they would gang rape her mother. They would drive around the estate where she lived to make sure they were serious,” Colborne told the jury.

The girl’s parents sought help from social services and the police, writing to their MP and the then home secretary, David Blunkett, who was an MP in Sheffield at the time. They had a panic alarm installed in their house and eventually moved to Spain to get away, the court heard.

Her mother later told police how she watched her child turn from “a loving, lovely girl to one she described as ‘horrible’ and she was powerless to control”, Colborne told the jury, asking: “What causes a perfectly lovely child to go from that state to a life of deceit and fear?” Hussain had subtly groomed the girl with cigarettes, alcohol and cannabis, she added.

The complainant now campaigns against child sexual exploitation, the jury was told. She has written a book about her experiences, has given evidence to the home affairs select committee and appeared in a Channel 4 programme called Britain’s Sex Gangs.

Hussain’s older brother, Basharat Hussain, 40, is also accused of repeatedly sexually assaulting the girl during the same period. Another of their cousins, Asif Ali, is accused of raping her around that time too, along with a friend called Ishtiaq Khaliq, now 33, Waleed Ali, 34, and Masoued Malik, 32. Malik is also accused of false imprisonment and conspiring to indecently assault her when she was 14, along with Naeem Rafiq, 33, in a house in Woodside Walk in Rotherham.

Two further complainants came forward earlier this year to accuse Khaliq of indecently assaulting on various occasions between August 1999 and December 2001.

The men deny all the charges against them. The case continues.

The fucking press are again using the term "Asian" - the perpetrators are all Pakistani Muslims.

Looks like the great British police did what they usually do in a situation like this - fuck all.

Post: #320

(09-14-2016 04:03 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  Family of Rotherham girl fled country after abuse by Asian men, court told

Quote:The family of a “lovely” 13-year-old girl who claims to have been groomed for sex by Asian men in Rotherham were so afraid of her alleged abusers that they moved to Spain after their complaints to the police, social services, their MP and the home secretary went unresolved, a court has heard.

The girl, who cannot be named, is the main complainant in the trial of eight men from the South Yorkshire town who allegedly groomed and sexually exploited three underage girls between 1999 and 2003.

Now 27 and a campaigner against child sexual exploitation, she claims her abusers threatened to “gang rape” her mother if she didn’t submit to their sexual abuse, which took place largely in an alley behind Boots the Chemist in Rotherham town centre, in a local park and in bushes near Rotherham museum, Sheffield crown court heard on Tuesday.

She claims that Sageer Hussain, 30, first raped her behind Boots when she was 13 and later called her a “white slag” when she tried and failed to stop him. She told police that the first and second times he raped her, between 1 January and 4 April 2003, he told her to scream so that his friends, waiting nearby, would know to come and watch.

She claims that on another occasion she was driven to Rotherham’s Clifton Park by Hussain’s cousin, Mohammed Whied, who sat on the car bonnet watching while Hussain raped her inside. On a further occasion, Hussain allegedly raped her in bushes near the museum, calling her “a big baby” when she protested, then flicking cigarette ash in her hair, Michelle Colborne, QC, prosecuting, told the jury. A few days later he punched her in the face and threatened her with a crowbar and set light to an aerosol in her face, the barrister said.

Afterwards, the girl told her mother what had happened and gave a statement to police, alleging that various men had raped her, including Hussain. A medical examination in April 2013 recorded bruises to her thighs and bottom but she quickly withdrew the allegations and no charges were brought. Ten years later she re-reported the abuse to police, saying she had been threatened by the men at the time. “For example, they threatened they would gang rape her mother. They would drive around the estate where she lived to make sure they were serious,” Colborne told the jury.

The girl’s parents sought help from social services and the police, writing to their MP and the then home secretary, David Blunkett, who was an MP in Sheffield at the time. They had a panic alarm installed in their house and eventually moved to Spain to get away, the court heard.

Her mother later told police how she watched her child turn from “a loving, lovely girl to one she described as ‘horrible’ and she was powerless to control”, Colborne told the jury, asking: “What causes a perfectly lovely child to go from that state to a life of deceit and fear?” Hussain had subtly groomed the girl with cigarettes, alcohol and cannabis, she added.


Two further complainants came forward earlier this year to accuse Khaliq of indecently assaulting on various occasions between August 1999 and December 2001.

The men deny all the charges against them. The case continues.

The fucking press are again using the term "Asian" - the perpetrators are all Pakistani Muslims.

Looks like the great British police did what they usually do in a situation like this - fuck all.

This case is why statutory rape laws have been put in place. Not sexually mature girls are easily exploited. There is a good reason why it should be illegal to Game them, let alone rape them.

While personally I think that girls at the age of 16 are sexually mature (also
physically - they are about as mature as 19yo boys or even more). BUT - 13,14 that is an age limit I would not allow even I myself made up the laws. Those girls are still children as far as I am concerned. Sure - they may have sex occasionally with their boyfriends, but their bodies are growing, their brains are still developing - some still will grow 1-2 feet for fuck's sake.

They should be under full protection of the law and all men either raping or even gaming them should be punished. The punishement for rape should be 10 times than for seduction. 2 years for seduction of a 13 year old and 20 years for a rape. Multiple rapes and violent multiple rapes should be instantly punished multiple times as well - you rape her on 3 occasions, then you fucker get 60 years. Those are Zelcorpion's laws. I would just lower the age consent to 16, but beef up all laws protectiing everyone below that age threshold.

By the way - I listened to enough Ex-Muslims who clearly state that this infatuation with virgins and super-young girls is endemic in the Muslim world. It stems from Islam and Islam is 99,9% responsible for that.

The elite is just guilty of covering it up and going full PC on it - rather punishing the parents than the perps.

By the way - if that happened to my girl, then I would probably turn to the Dark side and massacre all the perps one after the other - everyone 'disappearing' from Earth years later - do it as cleverly as possible. That is why I told my girlfriend to take care of herself - if she gets raped, then I would do unspeakable things to avenge that. The cops would be the least of their worries.

Post: #321

Have the local Mussies now killed a rape victim?

Post: #322

It is safer to kill a raped sex slave now that the cops finally start persecuting them.

Dead infidel girls tell no tales.

Also the Pakistanis should move to Germany, claim to be multiple identities of Syrian, get 3000 EUR in benefits and there start their rape gangs. Even if caught, then they are going to be treated leniently. Even better if they move to Sweden, they will probably get an expensive cab licence there, so they can groom the girls in their new business.

Europe is sooooo progressive and understanding.

Post: #323

(01-16-2017 02:12 PM)rotekz Wrote:  Have the local Mussies now killed a rape victim?

I believe it is safe to assume that since Muslim immigration has come to Europe, there have been over 100K women raped since the early 90's.

There are no official numbers because the authorities are corrupt and do not report them all.

And you know what the sickest part is? This is just the warm up. We're looking at 1M+ rapes before this conflict comes to a conclusion.

Post: #324

Post: #325

There is a 3 part BBC drama on this week about what happened in Rochdale - it's a similar situation to Rotherham





BBC One announces new drama Three Girls

Quote:Filming begins this week on Three Girls, a new three-part BBC One drama based on the true stories of victims of grooming and sexual abuse in Rochdale.

The drama will look at the way in which these girls were groomed, how they were ignored by the authorities directly responsible for protecting them, and how they eventually made themselves heard. A BBC Studios production in association with Studio Lambert, Three Girls is made by the team behind the multi-award winning BBC drama Five Daughters.

Maxine Peake (Silk, A Midsummer Night’s Dream) and Lesley Sharp (Scott And Bailey, Capital) will play two women who were instrumental in getting the girls’ voices heard.

Other cast includes Paul Kaye, Lisa Riley and Jill Halfpenny as parents of the girls, alongside Ace Bhatti as Nazir Afzal, former Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West. They will be joined by Liv Hill, Ria Zmitrowicz, Molly Windsor, Simon Nagra, Qas Hamid and Wasim Zakir.

Written by Nicole Taylor (The C Word), Three Girls is produced by the same team as the acclaimed and award-winning BBC Drama, Five Daughters including director Philippa Lowthorpe (Call The Midwife, Jamaica Inn), producer Simon Lewis and Executive Producer Susan Hogg.

Charlotte Moore, Controller BBC TV Channels and iPlayer, says: “BBC One has the ability to tell challenging and timely stories of national significance. The team behind the award-winning Five Daughters have spent three years talking to the girls, unravelling the shocking scale of abuse, the horror of what they’ve been through and the enormous courage it’s taken for them to speak out.”

Susan Hogg, Head of Drama, Studio Lambert says, “This true story, researched over a number of years, will shine a light on the trauma of sexual 'grooming', providing knowledge and understanding for parents and children alike. We are so grateful for the generosity of the young women and their families in sharing their experiences.”

Nicole Taylor, writer, says, “Whatever I thought I knew about what had happened in Rochdale, I knew nothing until I met the girls and their families. Listening to them was the beginning of understanding - not just of the terrible suffering they experienced, but of the courage it took to persist and persist over years, in telling authorities who didn’t want to know, and ultimately participate in the court proceedings that brought justice."

Philippa Lowthorpe, director, says: “It's both a privilege and a responsibility to be allowed to tell this powerful, true story. I have huge respect for the girls and their families for sharing their experiences with us. It’s through their courage in speaking out that we can try to understand the devastating effects of grooming. During the research, not only was it incredibly moving hearing the stories of the girls and their families, but also the experiences of those who fought to protect the girls and bring the perpetrators to justice."

Nazir Afzal, former Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West, says: "The Rochdale case was both groundbreaking and heartbreaking. It forced every agency to look at their ways of working afresh and the creation of the first guidance for prosecutors, police, and local authorities. The case caused seismic and long-overdue change in the way trials involving vulnerable victims were dealt with. At last, victims had a voice."

Three Girls (3 x 60) is a BBC Studios Production in association with Studio Lambert. It was commissioned for BBC One by Charlotte Moore, BBC Controller of TV Channels and iPlayer. Sue Hogg is Executive Producer for Studio Lambert and Simon Lewis is the producer. Executive Producer for the BBC is Hilary Salmon.

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Notes to Editors

The drama is based on the experiences of the girls who were groomed in Rochdale in the five years between 2008 and 2012, for which nine men were convicted and sentenced.
Three Girls is made with the full cooperation of the victims and their families.