Post: #226

Daygame and direct approach always...online if you use it (I don't) it's just complimentary...grow a pair and go talk to girls! It's not that difficult...what's the worst that can happen, she will say No, so what? Anything changed before you talked to her? NO! So go and approach, talk subtly, directly, indirectly whatever is your style but DO IT!

Post: #227

Interesting post a few pages back from Catalyst regarding value and vibe tapping. There is a group of us, 4 friends - no names mentioned but they’ve been mentioned here. We’ve Daygame’s in many places. I can’t daygame with one of them because he value taps me, I can’t daygame with another because I apparently vibe tap him, the third guy however we have no effect on each other at all and we can gay together. 1st one can’t Daygame with 3rd because he gets value tapped whilst he vibe taps. 1st and 2nd though have no problems with each other. 2nd can’t daygame with the 3rd because he gets value tapped.

Now we’ve known each other for 10 years, about say 9 of them daygsming. That’s pretty fucked up. Coming to these realisations has led to fucked up situations and breakdowns. Becoming good at Daygame isn’t easy, it really is a path of destruction and creation.

Post: #228

I am currently comprehension tapped.

Post: #229

Checking in, this thread still alive...

Daygame is a tool, their is a ceiling, I have been knee-deep in monogashit BUT I have been following a lot of non-daygamers who are...
- Banging 30 girls in 35 days,
- 4 3somes in 9 days
- 100 girls in 6-8 months
- 80 girls in 4 months online

Good luck doing that using daygame where majority of time is spent walking around not even including the fact that YOUR THERE on the street TRYING to get laid.

Only thing daygame is good for is making you comfy with being alone and making shit happen anywhere at anytime. A great supplementary as most can not meet people anywhere at anytime.

It is ideal for some who hate nightlife, have no actual social life & can't leverage social media. (Guy who invited all his tinder matches to a boat party comes to mind)

Post: #230

(07-01-2018 07:07 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  Checking in, this thread still alive...

Daygame is a tool, their is a ceiling, I have been knee-deep in monogashit BUT I have been following a lot of non-daygamers who are...
- Banging 30 girls in 35 days,
- 4 3somes in 9 days
- 100 girls in 6-8 months
- 80 girls in 4 months online

I'm honestly assuming it's only possible because the guys are 2 points or more attractive than the girls.

Post: #231

^ na once you have a social circle/nightlife lockdown combo you're basically on God mode.

Post: #232

Daygame is powerful because it’s just you and the girl in sort of a vacuum for 5-10 minutes. All her attention is on you. Even when I’ve been rejected, I’ve still had multiple girls tell me “I like what you’re doing” because I approach so directly and just tell them what’s on my mind.

I love nightgame too, but It’s hard for me to live a productive lifestyle when I’m staying out until 3AM or whatever. Daygame is much more congruent with my lifestyle.

Post: #233

Can't leverage social media == Won't, for me at least.

I could meet a girl and turn her boss into my client, if we don't fuck.

No way I want "social media" blending my various circles of influence.

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I also swore off apps / online. Fuck giving computers and phones MORE attention than I already am. I don't want to mix my sex life up with it.

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I enjoy nightlife but I enjoy stacking money and maximizing my own schedule and efficiency even more, so I'll go through phases with little nightlife and phases with a little more.

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I think "day game without specifically setting out to day game" is my personal favorite method. Anytime I'm dry, I'll have some success within a few days of getting back at it. And I go for quality, not quantity.

I think it's just a life phases thing.


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And as @DL says, it is simply an amazing tool. I can meet anyone, anywhere, and have fun, make friends, create an "inta-party", or just entertain myself. Has been amazing for business and romance. NYC helps.

Post: #234

(02-16-2018 08:21 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  @This Is Trouble, bojangles, Teedub - it's pretty cool to see the links with Bodi on this forum. If any of you see him or have indirect contact with him, tell him his writing is absolutely brilliant and give him my congratulations for his fantastic achievement.

I missed this part of the post at the time. Bodi's on the forum mate, so you could message him with the kind words yourself. It's definitely him just so you know.

Post: #235

Of course given his sig Distant Light would say that day game is inferior and not as good as lifestyle game.

The numbers DL quotes are exceptional, and not the average. It would make any normal reader feel discouraged. It's almost like an advertisement for quitting day game and doing things "a different way".

Social circle and "nightlife on lock" both require huge amounts of time, money and effort in one specific place. These "God mode" numbers are possible for a tiny % of non-famous men who use this route but there are huge costs to that method also. Every method has its costs.

I'm not defending day game in particular. It is for the vast majority of men very low ROI. It takes a special type of man to do it properly and consistently. There is also the deception of abundance during the day, where you can see so many hot girls walking around that you think of endless possibilities. But out of those only a tiny % are even available and from a random cold approach most girls are "No" girls so they may as well not be there. Take these girls off the streets and you will see your real chances and real likely ROI at day game. Of course day game masters like Krauser are going to push the day game angle hard; it's their job. But they are hugely biased.

Most people meet through social circle so the guys who have girls don't "need" cold approach unless they fall into some kind of depression or some other life calamity happens whereby they are completely alone and they need to get girls ASAP. Most guys would nowadays go online or to a bar/club if they are going to cold approach.

I wouldn't say day game is the worst, but it's not the best either. One thing I agree with DL on is that it can't give you the numbers of successes, certainly not in terms of conversion rates, as other forms of game, particularly social circle game. Krauser and Torero convert at around 2% which means they fail 49/50 times. If the best instructors in the world are only hitting 1 for 50 you have to think of the chances of your average beginner. This is where you get guys who have today time cold approach an average of something crazy like 200-300 women to get just one lay. And they are not necessarily that bad at it, it's just like other forms of cold selling, it's hard and most of the time you will fail. The successes are the tiny minority and the reward for the work done. Whether this constitutes a good ROI is up to each individual man.

Post: #236

Tom Torero posted the other day about 11 new lays on a 3 month or so Eurojaunt. The average guy will be impressed by that considering the average guy won't sleep with that many women in his lifetime. But let's look at how the sausage is made.

Torero and Krauser are professional daygamers and they have all the time in the world to hustle daily - to open tons of no-girls and to go on dozens upon dozens of dates-to-nowhere, flipping stones all day, every day while most of us are sitting in cubicles. The ROI doesn't matter to these hustlers. Torero might've done 100 sets to eke out those 11 lays. That's great and all, but the time investment for most guys is simply not sustainable.

Post: #237

(07-01-2018 07:07 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  Checking in, this thread still alive...

Daygame is a tool, their is a ceiling, I have been knee-deep in monogashit BUT I have been following a lot of non-daygamers who are...

- Banging 30 girls in 35 days,

Post: #238

(07-03-2018 07:04 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  I wouldn't say day game is the worst, but it's not the best either. One thing I agree with DL on is that it can't give you the numbers of successes, certainly not in terms of conversion rates, as other forms of game, particularly social circle game. Krauser and Torero convert at around 2% which means they fail 49/50 times. If the best instructors in the world are only hitting 1 for 50 you have to think of the chances of your average beginner. This is where you get guys who have today time cold approach an average of something crazy like 200-300 women to get just one lay. And they are not necessarily that bad at it, it's just like other forms of cold selling, it's hard and most of the time you will fail. The successes are the tiny minority and the reward for the work done. Whether this constitutes a good ROI is up to each individual man.

There's many factors that people also don't mention. Krauser is what, 43(?) and average looking. His targets are all 18-25 Serbian model-types, with the odd exception. Give his skills and experience to someone who looks like a 28 year old Chris Hemsworth and I guarantee the conversion rates would differ very significantly. Looks matter, and age does too — but they don't say that in the marketing material.

Post: #239

(07-03-2018 12:09 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 07:04 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  I wouldn't say day game is the worst, but it's not the best either. One thing I agree with DL on is that it can't give you the numbers of successes, certainly not in terms of conversion rates, as other forms of game, particularly social circle game. Krauser and Torero convert at around 2% which means they fail 49/50 times. If the best instructors in the world are only hitting 1 for 50 you have to think of the chances of your average beginner. This is where you get guys who have today time cold approach an average of something crazy like 200-300 women to get just one lay. And they are not necessarily that bad at it, it's just like other forms of cold selling, it's hard and most of the time you will fail. The successes are the tiny minority and the reward for the work done. Whether this constitutes a good ROI is up to each individual man.

There's many factors that people also don't mention. Krauser is what, 43(?) and average looking. His targets are all 18-25 Serbian model-types, with the odd exception. Give his skills and experience to someone who looks like a 28 year old Chris Hemsworth and I guarantee the conversion rates would differ very significantly. Looks matter, and age does too — but they don't say that in the marketing material.

Yeah, but those two guys made day game their life.

Most guys want to develop some game skills to enhance their lives.

They don't want to turn their backs on everything, join an odd subculture, and end up with a 2% success rate.

I believe that these two dudes have developed an understanding of female psychology that allows them to bang outside their league.

It is just the level of sacrifice they have made for the dubious life goal of "younger hotter tighter" that is questionable.

I stopped reading Krauser after a while because I knew that I wasn't willing to still be playing the long game on Facebook, telling some Russian girl I haven't slept with that she 'looks like a crazy giraffe' six months after I had met her once, it would just feel silly giving a woman that much of my time.

I am not denigrating their skill.

I just can't see going to some amazing city and spending the day grinding out cold approaches, no matter what the reward.

Guess I am not a fuck-nerd, but this seems close the the pussy begging charge that players often get.

I am not surprised they have trouble psyching themselves up to do this day after day.

It is not a natural human activity.

Post: #240

^ Part of the bad conversion numbers is the obsession with adventure sex. What about kissing after an enjoyable date? Is that not nice and rewarding? Foreplay, exciting conversation etc. Krauser et al put their entire focus on notches and immediate sex. Most guys who get into daygame just want a girlfriend who is slightly better looking than they are. Matt3B did a post on this years ago either here or on the 3 Bromigos blog about how focusing entirely on how many sets resulted in actual penetrative sex is quite a negative thing.

I know a few people from this forum who have gotten girlfriends from daygame while only approaching after work, in the supermarket etc. But, like I said originally, they aren't in their 40s and they're decent looking lads.

Post: #241

For me the biggest advantage of daygame is the freedom it offers you when you realize you can meet a woman anywhere at any time. Followed by the fact that you have virtually no competition in getting her attention. Moreover, I think it's necessary to add some DG to your arsenal since being out every night is not viable for most of us. Nor is waiting for Friday/Saturday or staying out until 3-4-5AM every time you're out.

Even though I like DG, I have to admit it has some challenges that make it harder than NG or online. It's probably already been said here:
- Harder to hook since most girls are on their way somewhere
- Harder to close since it's an uncommon way of meeting and some girls will reject it
- Harder to get yourself into approaching, since you yourself have things to do
- Harder to get into the mindset of game after a day of work, at least I find that challenging (I emphasize after work because I feel totally different in the morning after waking up)
- Perhaps more AA or spotlight effect since it's unusual

I still think DG is worth practicing and there are occasions when it's much more beneficial than NG. The most typical case is traveling to touristic places. The bars and clubs in those places are full of guys looking to get laid. Meeting women who are also tourists there, thus more open to meeting others, during the day can definitely up your chances. Apart from that, there are definitely those women who will prefer a day approach than a night one.

Regarding some DG instructors like Tom Torero or Krauser, I agree with everyone who says you cannot compare yourself to them. This is what they do for a living, travel and meet women. It's not something a guy with a regular 9-5 job can easily relate to. There's a ton of other reasons why comparing results with them is counter productive. Even obsessing about the technical part of the approach is, I have fallen in that trap. Even an "interview questions" approach is better than not approaching for a bunch of reasons.

Post: #242

Krauser and Tom Torero are full-time daygamers so they will have the time to approach the volume of girls in one day.

I just manage to slot in daygame part-time seamlessly in between personal errands or night game or online apps so I try not to over analyse things too much.

Daygame may be better or worse for your own circumstances.

In daygame I can be completely sober and like today I saw a short blonde and made the approach.
So I opened indirectly then went direct and responded with that she is engaged and she met him at a gym when she was working at one.
Whether that is a shit test or not I didn't go too much further.

I always ask how they met their boyfriend/fiancee/husband so that:
Firstly if they respond quickly I know they are less likely to bullshit me
Secondly it gives me ideas where to meet girls
Thirdly I don't end the interaction abruptly

Post: #243

(07-05-2018 08:53 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  Krauser and Tom Torero are full-time daygamers so they will have the time to approach the volume of girls in one day.

I just manage to slot in daygame part-time seamlessly in between personal errands or night game or online apps so I try not to over analyse things too much.

Daygame may be better or worse for your own circumstances.

In daygame I can be completely sober and like today I saw a short blonde and made the approach.
So I opened indirectly then went direct and responded with that she is engaged and she met him at a gym when she was working at one.
Whether that is a shit test or not I didn't go too much further.

I always ask how they met their boyfriend/fiancee/husband so that:
Firstly if they respond quickly I know they are less likely to bullshit me
Secondly it gives me ideas where to meet girls
Thirdly I don't end the interaction abruptly

Tom Torero; krauser and all these idiots are scammer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBYsYgyHAII

Post: #244

(07-06-2018 04:19 PM)sync Wrote:  

(07-05-2018 08:53 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  Krauser and Tom Torero are full-time daygamers so they will have the time to approach the volume of girls in one day.

I just manage to slot in daygame part-time seamlessly in between personal errands or night game or online apps so I try not to over analyse things too much.

Daygame may be better or worse for your own circumstances.

In daygame I can be completely sober and like today I saw a short blonde and made the approach.
So I opened indirectly then went direct and responded with that she is engaged and she met him at a gym when she was working at one.
Whether that is a shit test or not I didn't go too much further.

I always ask how they met their boyfriend/fiancee/husband so that:
Firstly if they respond quickly I know they are less likely to bullshit me
Secondly it gives me ideas where to meet girls
Thirdly I don't end the interaction abruptly

Tom Torero; krauser and all these idiots are scammer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBYsYgyHAII

I haven't paid a single cent for a Tom Torero or Krauser product even before I found out about this.

Across many topics even outside of pickup you will find people bragging about their success, real or not you still need to find out how much effort they put into it.
Either way these videos provide inspiration and we can choose to re-enact and build upon it.

That's why we do our due diligence.
I found it far more useful to meet others on and off the forum and when the chance comes watch each other in action.

Post: #245

(07-06-2018 04:19 PM)sync Wrote:  

(07-05-2018 08:53 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  Krauser and Tom Torero are full-time daygamers so they will have the time to approach the volume of girls in one day.

I just manage to slot in daygame part-time seamlessly in between personal errands or night game or online apps so I try not to over analyse things too much.

Daygame may be better or worse for your own circumstances.

In daygame I can be completely sober and like today I saw a short blonde and made the approach.
So I opened indirectly then went direct and responded with that she is engaged and she met him at a gym when she was working at one.
Whether that is a shit test or not I didn't go too much further.

I always ask how they met their boyfriend/fiancee/husband so that:
Firstly if they respond quickly I know they are less likely to bullshit me
Secondly it gives me ideas where to meet girls
Thirdly I don't end the interaction abruptly

Tom Torero; krauser and all these idiots are scammer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBYsYgyHAII

No dude, the are actually transsexual women pretending to be men with subversive feministic tendencies on behalf of the Allah and Jehovah witnesses maiming innocent Rooshians to believe that females are aliens that abduct them in their sleep so they could extract their organs which, in turn, are sold at an intergalactic butcher's shop to Darth Vader's minions so that they can devour the organs whilst watching Star Wars at a cinema owned by Donald Trump's Doppelgänger.

And that is the real TRUTH!

Post: #246

Torero I can believe is a scammer but Krauser seems too legitimate to me.

Apparently Tom's a total degenerate and amoral but he does have game skill.

Post: #247

Quote:^ na once you have a social circle/nightlife lockdown combo you're basically on God mode

Not I've been living a GREAT although predictable sex life in monogamy...

These guys are just people I know from FB groups where they have a THING for sharing pics & tracking their escapades.

My mindset is different "Just have fun" so have a fuckfest or go knee deep in monogashit. All comes down to individuals. That said the REASONS most prefer daygame is dogmatic. The exceptions being...
- Guys who hate nightlife
- Guys who don't want to be in a vice realm of alcohol (I have major issues with alcohol & wild nights...Once ended up in a forest-like area partying in NY late at night. I still have no clue where that could possibly be...In Prague was drunk, high in a bar sniffing "white elephant snus" with no idea where I was or how I'd get home...Almost cheated as 3 girls took me back to area and tried to get my boy laid)

This "good girl" facade is DOGMATIC as their are so much things like gyms, yoga, fitness centers, art events, etc that happen in daytime that would be more profitable and better quality. Yet guys are talking about spending days running up and down the street hoping they can find the average amongst the "meh".

GF is good example of this...Gets HARRASSED (as she calls it) everyday in DAYTIME. I met my gf at a house party at NIGHT. Same day game dude is thinking " high quality" non-drinker, get blownout, they sob online.

It's the SAME GIRL you'd see at night, just out in the day and you have to HOPE you stumbleupon her.

Back in the day 10am some chick wakes me up on subway, takes me for sushi and then trying to persuade me to come to Miami with her...THIS IS DAYGAME BEAUTY...

Tool to turn NOTHING in the moment to POTENTIAL POSSIBILITIES...

BEST EXAMPLE...Subscribe $0.99/mth to lastnightsparty Vimeo...

I met him in 2012...Photographer who shoots 99% STRANGERS in artsy, provocative and sexual photos/narrations. He never knows who his next "muse" would be. This is the only non-community guy who has an amazing outlook towards strangers. Art, Camera & competency just increases the probability of his adventures.

To a day gamer that should seem like NOTHING but most community dudes are so narrow-minded on chasing pussy that such things seem like "wow this is a whole different experience" yet many been day gaming for years getting "lucky"

Yes you'll grow mentally through day game BUT there comes a point when you realize traditional community ways are suboptimal.

NOTE - Myth of social circle & nightlife is way off. As I've always stated I'm a broke dude who is connected. Spend $0 on nightlife because the currency is your presence & perk that women are fascinated wanting to ride with you...An old friend is wolf of wall street actor "connect" to stunning women, that dude used to day game without even knowing it. They called it "the office". Hospitality & entertainment isn't ruled by money, it's an illusion for those with MONEY to BUY-IN to the illusion. (Like everything in life it is always overhyped and anticlimactic. I made high end nightlife experience fun, wasn't inherently like that.)

Something people keep saying that I 100% agree...Ability to meet anywhere at anytime is the biggest perk about day game...

Short story, was on a getaway with 2 cousins & fam. At night I met tons of girls their type on broadwalk to " grease the wheels". Cousin admitted he can't OPEN but once I do my thing and introduce he is good to go. He ended up cold approaching a chick and she rolled with us. Ended up at a strip club where 2nd cousin got #s of 2 of em and then cousin banged the girl with us...

This was 1 of many potential opportunities. At times I had to legit "shut up" or I'd get myself in sticky situations like in Prague. My ability to MEET anywhere at anytime enabled so many fun experiences. I myself almost got caught up flirting with a married woman while her husband was right there.

Too many people think of every avenue as a "single" thing when it's an array of your personal power. Night game dude will forever be a slave to pickings within nighttime if he hasn't overcome the psychological aspects of meeting in daytime...

When you are comfortable with both the world is your social & sexual oyster. They have their pros & cons BUT if strictly thinking about getting laid & hot chicks you're better off going to most concentrated realms with hot women...

Doesn't matter if it's surfer girls in Bali, connecting with hot ravers doing edm circuit, Meeting that connector who owns a modeling agency while in shanghai or going to your local trendy boxing gym to meet local hotties.

Daytime is generally full of older, underage, couple based and average women. Majority of time is spent searching. Old saying "all it takes is one" but imagine 1st hour meet and instadate a cutie. Typically guys run into LMR due to chasing and sometimes slip up. Whole day wasted chasing 1 girl that tomorrow it's like starting at ground 0.

People used to shit on me about "bringing sand to the beach" not realizing if you & I go to same beach...And it sucks, I'm still with girls...You gotta meet my group just to say "it was worth coming out". Whether there are girls or not I'm still with girls so new ones are just a bonus for an obnoxious sand castle.

People mention time...How hard is it to get your boys out? That is what it feels like rolling with girls. Nothing is lost if someone flakes as I knew plenty of girls and less hassle than trying to get a date. All a chick has to do is be in my presence.

Which is why I say it is suboptimal because a good Saturday afternoon your on the streets wondering " where are the hotties" meanwhile I'm amongst 100s of decent girls thinking "wait THAT ONE might be the hottest girl seen in ages"...You won't see her because when this social event ends she is gonna uber back home while ordering food on seamless. If you blink you on the sidewalk might miss her uber passing by you.

P.S...This is coming from a guy who spent 1st year and a half day gaming. It was NEW and a blast BUT objectively speaking wasn't the best way to get laid. I still remember in Aug with my boys wondering " where are the hot girls?" Time to time at 8-9pm you'd see a taxi & a hottie coming out to run into an apartment building. Then another taxi & another. Only to realize "THERE" is where you need to be NOT on sidewalk roaming...Even in Prague on patio of airbnb 4-5 milfs on another patio chilling, drinking & partying. Contrast 2-months prior I was broken up with gf, so pipelined Prague on tinder, got back with gf. In Prague I learnt my friend matched with a girl I matched with on tinder who was expecting me. I'd met way hotter Czech girls in non-touristy areas both day & night.

Post: #248

(07-07-2018 02:14 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Torero I can believe is a scammer but Krauser seems too legitimate to me.

Apparently Tom's a total degenerate and amoral but he does have game skill.

This is true.

Post: #249

delete

Post: #250

What is value tapping and vibe tapping?

(06-27-2018 06:16 PM)bojangles Wrote:  Interesting post a few pages back from Catalyst regarding value and vibe tapping. There is a group of us, 4 friends - no names mentioned but they’ve been mentioned here. We’ve Daygame’s in many places. I can’t daygame with one of them because he value taps me, I can’t daygame with another because I apparently vibe tap him, the third guy however we have no effect on each other at all and we can gay together. 1st one can’t Daygame with 3rd because he gets value tapped whilst he vibe taps. 1st and 2nd though have no problems with each other. 2nd can’t daygame with the 3rd because he gets value tapped.