Post: #51

Teedub has simplified the key point here:

(07-16-2014 03:40 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Let's not let this devolve into a MMA v Boxing thing. It's about Ronda Rousey v Mayweather, and there's no chance she'd win. Under either set of rules.

MMA vs Boxing is a completely different topic. (and, this has been said about 10 times - in several different ways - in just a two pages of posts on this thread...)

Post: #52

(07-16-2014 04:55 PM)lalafufu Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 10:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:53 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.

No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.

I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.

Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.

You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.

You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers would kill Rhonda instantly and he is like a white belt in MMA last time I checked.

are your mma fighters allowed to go for takedowns when they spar your boxers

James Toney, he was shot by then in all fairness, tried to switch over to UFC. He got beat in the quickness

For those sparring drills, no. It was just striking practice. I would separate striking from groundwork, then later combine the two. When the 2 boxers joined up I let them just do standup with my guys the first day just to teach my guys a lesson. Practices after that would be normal schedule. As an instructor it is good to let a special guests/new members teach something that the others they otherwise would not get on their own. In the past I have even sent off guys to boxing gyms for a month or two, just to break some of their bad habits. If someone they do not know keeps hitting them over their mistakes they usually figure it out and stop it.

I even once invited a 4th dan Karate black belt from Japan to spar with my guys. They were drooling when they saw his thin kimono gi and black belt. Each of them lost to him in sparring. 3 of them he KO'd. He even told them take downs were okay because he wanted the extra practice in defending it!

Sometimes telling guys to respect traditional styles goes in one ear and out the other...

Post: #53

(07-16-2014 04:57 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:45 PM)Solus Wrote:  One solid leg kick lands from an elite [b]male MMA fighter and Floyd is basically done. None of them would even try to punch him from the outset irrespective of weight class[/b].

Ronda on the other hand would get destroyed.

Not necessarily true. Floyd is an extremely well conditioned athlete. Look at his legs and the legs of a pro soccer player. Almost the same look right? If a pro Muay Thai Fighter give them or Floyd one good kick (if it didn't miss), you cannot say for 100% that they would instantly drop. Well the soccer player would if it was a soccer match because they like to flop, but I have personally squeezed their legs to know how hard they are (don't ask why). In a street fight it would hurt them for sure, because it just does, but that is not a guarantee drop. Can they take 2 or 3 chops to the legs? Probably not.

Don't get me wrong those kicks are dangerous, especially against normal everyday people. Almost all of them definitely cannot take even one kick, which is why Muay Thai is arguably alot better for street defense than BJJ would be. Short term at least until age and health becomes an issue.

I see what you're saying but I doubt Floyd is conditioned to take/check kicks because there's no reason for him to be. I'm not talking about aesthetics/muscles. Soccer players have strong legs, no doubt, but I don't think it's the same.

I should have specified that a single leg kick might not put Floyd out but would rather do at least enough damage to allow the MMA fighter to grab a hold of him and drag him down. Needless to say if the MMA fighter lands a few more then yeah, I'd say it's game over.

However let's not get too far off topic.

Ronda Rousey isn't beating Floyd Mayweather unless Dana White blindsides him with a steel chair WWE-style.

Post: #54

(07-16-2014 05:08 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:55 PM)lalafufu Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 10:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:53 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.

No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.

I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.

Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.

You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.

You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers would kill Rhonda instantly and he is like a white belt in MMA last time I checked.

are your mma fighters allowed to go for takedowns when they spar your boxers

James Toney, he was shot by then in all fairness, tried to switch over to UFC. He got beat in the quickness

For those sparring drills, no. It was just striking practice. I would separate striking from groundwork, then later combine the two. When the 2 boxers joined up I let them just do standup with my guys the first day just to teach my guys a lesson. Practices after that would be normal schedule. As an instructor it is good to let a special guests/new members teach something that the others they otherwise would not get on their own. In the past I have even sent off guys to boxing gyms for a month or two, just to break some of their bad habits. If someone they do not know keeps hitting them over their mistakes they usually figure it out and stop it.

I even once invited a 4th dan Karate black belt from Japan to spar with my guys. They were drooling when they saw his thin kimono gi and black belt. Each of them lost to him in sparring. 3 of them he KO'd. He even told them take downs were okay because he wanted the extra practice in defending it!

Sometimes telling guys to respect traditional styles goes in one ear and out the other...

an eye opening anecdote there. as a hardcore boxing fan with little knowledge on mma I believed the playing field would become even once take downs were allowed

I once saw a Shamrock interview where he stated striking is the most efficient way to take someone out.

Post: #55

(07-16-2014 05:13 PM)Solus Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:57 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 03:45 PM)Solus Wrote:  One solid leg kick lands from an elite [b]male MMA fighter and Floyd is basically done. None of them would even try to punch him from the outset irrespective of weight class[/b].

Ronda on the other hand would get destroyed.

Not necessarily true. Floyd is an extremely well conditioned athlete. Look at his legs and the legs of a pro soccer player. Almost the same look right? If a pro Muay Thai Fighter give them or Floyd one good kick (if it didn't miss), you cannot say for 100% that they would instantly drop. Well the soccer player would if it was a soccer match because they like to flop, but I have personally squeezed their legs to know how hard they are (don't ask why). In a street fight it would hurt them for sure, because it just does, but that is not a guarantee drop. Can they take 2 or 3 chops to the legs? Probably not.

Don't get me wrong those kicks are dangerous, especially against normal everyday people. Almost all of them definitely cannot take even one kick, which is why Muay Thai is arguably alot better for street defense than BJJ would be. Short term at least until age and health becomes an issue.

I see what you're saying but I doubt Floyd is conditioned to take/check kicks because there's no reason for him to be. I'm not talking about aesthetics/muscles. Soccer players have strong legs, no doubt, but I don't think it's the same.

I should have specified that a single leg kick might not put Floyd out but would rather do at least enough damage to allow the MMA fighter to grab a hold of him and drag him down. Needless to say if the MMA fighter lands a few more then yeah, I'd say it's game over.

However let's not get too far off topic.

Ronda Rousey isn't beating Floyd Mayweather unless Dana White blindsides him with a steel chair WWE-style.

All this stuff is relevant to this topic. Boxing is actually PART OF MMA! Every MMA fighter and their momma is cross training with Freddie Roach these days! MMA stands for Mixed Martial Arts.

Rhonda does too! Why do you think she made this absurd statement?

You are making the mistake of thinking Rhonda or any MMA fighter in general can land a clean leg kick on Floyd to begin with! They are not fighting in a phone booth. If Floyd has at least 3 feet distance to work with, he will step back on any kick attempt and look at the dude like, really?! He is so fast, he could literally dash out and dash back in for a kidney/body shot, while the kick is being done. Very few UFC fighters are capable of doing this. I used to teach that technique to all my fighters in my early years as an instructor until I realized most humans are not that fast physically or hand eye coordination wise to do it well.

Jose Aldo is probably the fastest and powerful Muay Thai kicker in the UFC right now, pound for pound. Pound for pound Mirko Cro Cop, Wanderlei Silva, Anderson Silva or Fedor, and Allistair Overeem can fill that top 5 of fast and powerful Muay Thai kicking. And they are all too slow to even kick Floyd but they all kick faster than Rhonda though!

You have to understand Muay Thai. You cannot force someone to eat a kick if you are not in a very small ring. Otherwise you will have to wear them down first or time it perfectly against an aggressive opponent. Everyone knows Floyd's style. He is super crafty and slick. He always establishes range first. He is a defensive-counter fighter he is not aggressive at all.

Edit: Anderson Silva in his prime probably could kick Floyd in open space, but no one can know that for certain. Same thing for Aldo.

Post: #56

Mayweather would absolutely destroy her in any fighting situation. Anyone who doesn't think that is an idiot.

And his comment was hilarious.

Post: #57

Quote:an eye opening anecdote there. as a hardcore boxing fan with little knowledge on mma I believed the playing field would become even once take downs were allowed

I once saw a Shamrock interview where he stated striking is the most efficient way to take someone out.

Takedowns don't mean shit if you cannot even grab or hit the person. Look at it this way, a takedown is an open-handed punch. If you can touch someone, you can punch someone. If you can punch them, you can also grab them.

All forms of JuJitsu (Brazilian or Japanese and including Judo), is based upon distance and position. You must be within range or understand what your options are at various length of all body parts. Positioning is mandatory in order to properly execute the desired technique. Without both you cannot properly execute.

Let me break down a basic Judo technique into it's advanced parts for you. Notice when watching Rhonda she always uses her front toe to inch her way to always be between her opponents legs? That is because most Judoka must maintain that kind of position in order to execute damn near 80% of the throws that exist in Judo's system.

Most Judo/jujitsu people know this because it is basic stuff by purple/red belt level. What makes her Olympic/competition level quality is because she does not telegraph her inching easily and lets opponents either get too close before switching to a toe stance or she runs at them then switches stance when she gets close. If you want to see super elite sneaky footwork watch Japan's female Judoka Kaori Matsumoto videos. Sometimes I have to rewind back multiple times when looking at her vids.

Floyd, being the season pro that he is, if he had the time to prepare for a fight, he would watch her film and notice the same things. This is conjecture on my part, but I think he is smart enough to notice because boxers do this too, except they throw hooks instead of grabbing people for throws. Boxers are foot work crazy. I have spent enough time around former pros and golden gloves boxers to see the amount of time they spend drilling it and studying it.

Floyd would study her footwork style just enough to get an idea of what kind of range she is working with and what kinds of techniques she favors in certain foot positions. He would also probably take guesses about her weight distribution and where the best punches will knock her off balance for proper follow up combinations.

Rhonda could study Floyd's film longer than I have and still not be able to deal with him. That's why others fail to beat him. Speed kills.

I wonder if she could even beat Kaori Matsumoto if she could drop weight low enough. I would say no because she is not fast enough and not technically sound enough. Rhonda excelled in Judo in large part because she was in the 70kg weight division and has more power than most women even in that weight class.

Post: #58

(07-16-2014 10:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:53 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.

No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.

I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.

Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.

You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.

I agree that speed is under-rated. I took japanese jiu jitsu as a young man and once our instructor had his junior sensei's from japan (I can't remember the japanese word pai-sensei?) come to visit. He was this little guy with a beat up, sweat and blood stained gi but when he demonstrated techniques you couldn't even see them they were so fast. It was like you could see him step to setup a move and then the other guy was on the ground and locked up, there was no fluid motion it was just like "snap snap, submit" the same with a good boxer, a jab looks like they shrugged their trap and the other guy got magical whiplash.

Post: #59

I'm glad some order has been restored to this thread. Y'all trippin if you think Floyd wouldn't kill this bitch.

Post: #60

I noticed the feminists in the media here were talking about this today, and spun it into being how 'out of touch' he was to not have heard of her, because she 'revolutionised the sport' and 'OMG doesn't he see her vagina?'

Post: #61

(07-17-2014 02:27 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I noticed the feminists in the media here were talking about this today, and spun it into being how 'out of touch' he was to not have heard of her, because she 'revolutionised the sport' and 'OMG doesn't he see her vagina?'

Floyd is a feminist worst nightmare. He's politically incorrect and has a history of beating bitches up

Post: #62

(07-17-2014 02:36 AM)lalafufu Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 02:27 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I noticed the feminists in the media here were talking about this today, and spun it into being how 'out of touch' he was to not have heard of her, because she 'revolutionised the sport' and 'OMG doesn't he see her vagina?'

Floyd is a feminist worst nightmare. He's politically incorrect and has a history of beating bitches up

It's statements like that which give our opponents ammunition. You're new, and are probably wanting to impress by being 'bold', but it's unnecessary.

Post: #63

Obviously, FM has nothing to gain

Let's say hypothetically

If he beat her up, it would just feed into his abusive narrative with women, he's supposed to win and yeah, by the way he's STILL "scared of Pacquiao"

If he were to lose (yeah right) the Billie Jean King feminists would christen it a national holiday

It's lonely at the top

Post: #64

For a woman beater like him, this has got to hurt.

http://www.si.com/tennis/2014/07/16/mari...hens-espys

That's some gay fish shit right there.

Post: #65

Shes taller then him with much better reach. She could prally take him in a fight.... he just wouldn't be able to overcome that reach.

Post: #66

(07-17-2014 10:16 AM)TornadoByProxy Wrote:  For a woman beater like him, this has got to hurt.

http://www.si.com/tennis/2014/07/16/mari...hens-espys

That's some gay fish shit right there.

Typical tall women diss stuff in a sad attempt to emasculation a man. No respect at all. Regardless of whether or not he hit a woman, which he served his jail time for, there is no reason for that. Of course no one in modern society would ever see that as an issue these days.

When you are at the top everyone tries to take a shot at you. I'm sure he is getting very used to this. When jokers like TI taking swings at you because he was being a beta ass whiteknight, a tall white woman resting her arms on your shoulders, countless haters everywhere, he would have to be numb to this stuff by now.

In alot of ways, he is more mature since his jail sentence these days. He seems to have more redpill attitudes these days. Hopefully he has learned his lesson. If he has learned his lesson and is smart he wouldn't get into anymore LTR and stay away from hood rats. If he wants another black woman he probably needs to look outside the US. I cannot prove it in his cases, but Black women try to fight us black men all the time. I have been swung at from black women with Doctorate degrees my own self. It's possible those domestic cases went both ways, but all American women get the pussy pass here to fight any man for any reason. Look at Jay Z if you want to see a recent example. I haven't seen Solange in an article over charges being filed yet. They are also bad for blood pressure reasons alone. And who needs that.

Post: #67

Why would the producers do that? Unless they wanted the reaction. From a camera standpoint you never want to force odd height imbalances as it looks even more distorted on TV/film. You avoid it always if you can.

Post: #68

(07-17-2014 11:07 AM)kosko Wrote:  Why would the producers do that? Unless they wanted the reaction. From a camera standpoint you never want to force odd height imbalances as it looks even more distorted on TV/film. You avoid it always if you can.

Kosko what makes you think that was set up by the producers? It looks kind of spontaneous and awkward.

Post: #69

(07-17-2014 11:10 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:07 AM)kosko Wrote:  Why would the producers do that? Unless they wanted the reaction. From a camera standpoint you never want to force odd height imbalances as it looks even more distorted on TV/film. You avoid it always if you can.

Kosko what makes you think that was set up by the producers? It looks kind of spontaneous and awkward.

I didn't watch the ESPYs but the story made it sound like Drake was introducing her, as in, her and Floyd were paired together to present an award. If that is the case, then yes, they were paired by the producers whom either have zero sports knowledge to know Maria is freakishly tall and Floyd is shorter guy, or they knew and wanted to make it look awkward on purpose.

Post: #70

The mainstream hate Floyd, this was an obvious stunt to make him look bad. She was probably in on the act.

For you clowns talking about Floyd losing to some mma chick, you need a life.

Power will always be number 1 - thanks TravellingKai for adding some sense to this dumb thread.

Post: #71

I don't think floyd even gave a fuck. People are always looking to take dudes like him down a peg, but he's on top. He's smart with his career, smart with his money and he's just the sort of guy who makes good decisions. he acts like a clown, but you don't become one of the best fighters ever by clowning around all day.

Post: #72

The strongest women is barley even stronger than the weakest man. For the skinny guy whom struggles to bench 55 on the bench for many women that is their max.....

There is a video, it might be Howard Stern, in which a female arm wrestling champion was put up against a few random dudes of the street. Every dude was schooling her and then she got mad and started to cheat.

Post: #73

Roosh, the rest of the board, distinguished members and guests...I propose the ban hammer for any member who actually believes Floyd would lose.

Some members may be trolling, others may simply have the IQ of the coffee cup sitting on my desk. Regardless, as we know from past bans, the hammer neither knows nor cares about intentions and motives.

Post: #74

(07-17-2014 11:58 AM)heavy Wrote:  Roosh, the rest of the board, distinguished members and guests...I propose the ban hammer for any member who actually believes Floyd would lose.

Some members may be trolling, others may simply have the IQ of the coffee cup sitting on my desk. Regardless, as we know from past bans, the hammer neither knows nor cares about intentions and motives.

Ha ha ha. Is she still willing to fight Floyd?

Post: #75

Ronda rousey is such a pussy she got beat up by a girl. No way would may weather lose.