Post: #26

(07-16-2014 12:00 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

This clip makes it pretty obvious to me that she'd not stand a chance against Mayweather no matter which sport they were playing. She's quick and aggressive, to be sure, but not quick and aggressive enough to handle with high-end male reflexes and strength.

Post: #27

(07-16-2014 07:22 AM)whoishe Wrote:  

(07-15-2014 07:16 PM)Katatonic Wrote:  Rhonda Rousey has been ducking Christiane Cyborg for a couple of years now. Dana refused to sign her because he knows her tranny looking ass will beat the shit out of Rousey and fuck up his "foxy boxing" womens division. Now the UFC is bringing in Gina Carano to be Rousey's new big opponent. Carano was fucking destroyed by Cyboy in their fight. Their bullshit is pretty transparent. It's all about the money grab, not putting the best up against the best.

Also, Rousey said she could beat UFC heavyweight champ Cain Velasquez, and publicly stated that she wouldn't fight the tranny Fallon Fox. She'll beat the shit out of all the male fighters, yet won't fight a woman and a wanna be woman.

The only reason Cyborg is not right now in UFC is because she hired moron like Tito Ortiz to be her manager and he advised her to build career outside of UFC. She was also claiming she can't drop weight to 135lbs because of health reasons... but changed her mind a few months later when she saw that her career is going nowhere and nobody on big big scene gives a shit about her wins against weak competition on small shows.
Now she apparently can drop his weight to 135, but she wants to sign contract with UFC for only 1 fight - against Rousey.

I am far away from being a Dana White fan, but I am not surprised (at least from business perspective) that he is not interested in getting Cyborg only for 1 fight -she can beat Rousey and disappear. From business perspective it just doesn;'t make sense.

Also, Rousey stated she would beat Cain Velasquez under "right circumstances", which wasn't explained and just allowed some Sherdog members to create a scenarios where it could happen

Regarding Mayweather vs Rousey - in boxing only question would be if Ronda was smart enough to write her last will or not. But under MMA rules? I would probably put my money on her - MMA fans are maybe underestimate boxers skills, but it also goes other way too.

It's not so much that we're underestimating MMA athlete's skills (Mayweather vs whoever is the best male MMA fighter at 147 is a different debate entirely), but that we understand just how inferior women are to men in sporting ability.

Post: #28

There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.

Post: #29

^

I see what you're saying, but Floydd is a world class combatant and has been that forever. he was bred for this. also, he's a lot stronger, faster and smarter than her (martially speaking). I'm almost certain he could drop her with a single punch. don't men have something like 50% more androgen receptors than men? that's a huge advantage. the fight could never truly be even, unless Floyd wasn't allowed to is like half his body or something.

Post: #30

Woah, I'd never heard of this chick before but a quick google image search and:

Post: #31

Quote:Regarding Mayweather vs Rousey - in boxing only question would be if Ronda was smart enough to write her last will or not. But under MMA rules? I would probably put my money on her - MMA fans are maybe underestimate boxers skills, but it also goes other way too.

MMA rules still allow punching. Rousey would have to evade Mayweather's elite and far superior striking ability before she could put any of her potential grappling advantages to use.

Post: #32

(07-16-2014 09:53 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.

If she were to close, then I'd give her a shot at a submission. I just don't see that happening. I'd say there's maybe a 1% chance that she gets a throw on him before suffering a crippling blow.

Post: #33

(07-16-2014 09:53 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.

No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.

I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.

Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.

You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.

You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers would kill Rhonda instantly and he is like a white belt in MMA last time I checked.

Post: #34

- Speaking from the viewpoint of a wrestler, I can't imagine the barrage of punches one would have to get through in order to get a single leg on Mayweather. He'd be dropping bombs the whole way. No reason for him to learn ground moves with such striking capability.

- Comparing this chick Rousey to Gracie or any of the other UFC greats is a flawed argument and is an attempt to steer the conversation towards "gound game vs boxing" instead of the real argument at hand which is: Rousey vs Mayweather. If we stick to Rousey vs. Mayweather...then Mayweather could pound her face into hamburger after a pack of cigarettes and six beers without her ever getting a leg, an arm, or anything else to get her hands on.

- It is only the very elite wrestlers and UFC stars that could pick an ankle or get in close enough to get a takedown on the likes of Mayweather

Post: #35

(07-16-2014 10:52 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  - Speaking from the viewpoint of a wrestler, I can't imagine the barrage of punches one would have to get through in order to get a single leg on Mayweather. He'd be dropping bombs the whole way. No reason for him to learn ground moves with such striking capability.

- Comparing this chick Rousey to Gracie or any of the other UFC greats is a flawed argument and is an attempt to steer the conversation towards "gound game vs boxing" instead of the real argument at hand which is: Rousey vs Mayweather. If we stick to Rousey vs. Mayweather...then Mayweather could pound her face into hamburger after a pack of cigarettes and six beers without her ever getting a leg, an arm, or anything else to get her hands on.

- It is only the very elite wrestlers and UFC stars that could pick an ankle or get in close enough to get a takedown on the likes of Mayweather

Exactly! Only George St. Pierre is one of the few men I can think of that is near or around Floyd's level of speed. He trains with the Canadian Olympic Wrestling Team.

Forget about all the technique debate. Who can catch Floyd to begin with!?? Very, very few people. Elite Speed is not the only thing required to beat Floyd, but if people like Rhonda, only have grappling skills to work with, it is no where near enough to beat someone like Floyd.

Post: #36

(07-16-2014 10:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.
He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.
You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better.

This. Thank you.

I'm sure she's a great fighter in her own right, but there is a reason women have their own league and men have their own league. I wouldn't want that pretty face of hers to get ruined.

Post: #37

Maybe if she did some training with T.I. first. Don't wanna fight him, bruh. He's fast as lightning, bruh. Ya better use ya Nike's, bruh.

In all seriousness, there is no way on God's green earth she, or almost anyone, is getting close enough to Mayweather to enact any grappling skills (in a sanctioned fight, not in Fatburger). Do people betting on her think she can somehow evade his punches? Or worse yet, withstand one?! The debate about boxing vs. MMA is a completely different matter, this is just straight-up absurd.

I think she said her strategy would be to basically "crab-walk" at him to try to get around getting her face smashed into a jelly. That would be some funny shit to watch.

Post: #38

(07-15-2014 06:23 PM)redpillrage33 Wrote:  BMan, I'd expect her to beat him at UFC. It's her sport. Conversely, I'd expect him to mess her up at boxing. All depends who's rules you use.

That said, I think Mayweather would have a better chance under her rules than she would under his. Ultimately though, I think he'd go down under an attack he wouldn't ordinarily be expected to defend against in boxing.

" All depends who's rules you use."

Usually when this question is posed, it's about what would happen with NO rules. It's the classic "Baddest Man the Planet" question.

Post: #39

(07-16-2014 02:21 PM)spook Wrote:  Maybe if she did some training with T.I. first. Don't wanna fight him, bruh. He's fast as lightning, bruh. Ya better use ya Nike's, bruh.

In all seriousness, there is no way on God's green earth she, or almost anyone, is getting close enough to Mayweather to enact any grappling skills (in a sanctioned fight, not in Fatburger). Do people betting on her think she can somehow evade his punches? Or worse yet, withstand one?! The debate about boxing vs. MMA is a completely different matter, this is just straight-up absurd.

I think she said her strategy would be to basically "crab-walk" at him to try to get around getting her face smashed into a jelly. That would be some funny shit to watch.

Her ridiculous arrogance knows no bounds. She always wants to fight the UFC fighters that trash her on twitter. This is no difference. It all feeds her stupid hamster.

He would probably lower his head in a dopey face position staring blankly at her, with his arms down. Once she inches within his striking range (~72 inches flatfooted not counting dashing), he would jab or cross her face and dash out with her knocked out.

I just looked up her reach. 66 inches? Gimme a break....

Post: #40

(07-16-2014 10:52 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  - Speaking from the viewpoint of a wrestler, I can't imagine the barrage of punches one would have to get through in order to get a single leg on Mayweather. He'd be dropping bombs the whole way. No reason for him to learn ground moves with such striking capability.

- Comparing this chick Rousey to Gracie or any of the other UFC greats is a flawed argument and is an attempt to steer the conversation towards "gound game vs boxing" instead of the real argument at hand which is: Rousey vs Mayweather. If we stick to Rousey vs. Mayweather...then Mayweather could pound her face into hamburger after a pack of cigarettes and six beers without her ever getting a leg, an arm, or anything else to get her hands on.

- It is only the very elite wrestlers and UFC stars that could pick an ankle or get in close enough to get a takedown on the likes of Mayweather

"- Speaking from the viewpoint of a wrestler, I can't imagine the barrage of punches one would have to get through in order to get a single leg on Mayweather."

The same barrage that Randy had to deal with to get James Toney's leg?

"- It is only the very elite wrestlers and UFC stars that could pick an ankle or get in close enough to get a takedown on the likes of Mayweather"

Almost every male on the current UFC roster would likely get ahold of him.

Post: #41

The video in the OP is set to private.

Post: #42

(07-16-2014 02:35 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 10:52 AM)anonymous123 Wrote:  - Speaking from the viewpoint of a wrestler, I can't imagine the barrage of punches one would have to get through in order to get a single leg on Mayweather. He'd be dropping bombs the whole way. No reason for him to learn ground moves with such striking capability.

- Comparing this chick Rousey to Gracie or any of the other UFC greats is a flawed argument and is an attempt to steer the conversation towards "gound game vs boxing" instead of the real argument at hand which is: Rousey vs Mayweather. If we stick to Rousey vs. Mayweather...then Mayweather could pound her face into hamburger after a pack of cigarettes and six beers without her ever getting a leg, an arm, or anything else to get her hands on.

- It is only the very elite wrestlers and UFC stars that could pick an ankle or get in close enough to get a takedown on the likes of Mayweather

"- Speaking from the viewpoint of a wrestler, I can't imagine the barrage of punches one would have to get through in order to get a single leg on Mayweather."

The same barrage that Randy had to deal with to get James Toney's leg?

"- It is only the very elite wrestlers and UFC stars that could pick an ankle or get in close enough to get a takedown on the likes of Mayweather"

Almost every male on the current UFC roster would likely get ahold of him.

I doubt that. Jose Aldo, Benson Henderson, Little Hulk, etc. could catch Floyd, but in a bare fisted fight, alot of times the first to punch gains a massive advantage. Getting used to punching bare fisted is not something any of these guys do. For one it's risky for finger breaks, etc. Floyd might bust his hand but he might also bust their orbital bones first. Uriah Faber can take lots of punches but certain guys jaw/neck are not that strong. Faber is too slow to catch Floyd I think. Benson or Jose Aldo could catch him easily but again, they are the elite of their weight class, but due to weight and their jaw strength I would not be shocked to see them get dropped by Floyd either.

Jon Bones Jones would kill Floyd but again, he is the best of his class. Anderson Silva in his prime is a no brainer as well as GSP. They actually could go strike for strike with him I think. No grappling needed.

Cain Velasquez might be the heaviest guy that might have a prayer's of a chance in catching Floyd, but again he is the best of his class too. His reach is too big as well. Floyd should just run if that guy came after him. I would too and he still might catch anyone without a decent lead off.

Speed matters alot. If you cannot catch him with hand grabs, you cannot dodge him or counter him either. He has fought elite boxers his whole life and has occasionally gone rounds where the guys DID NOT EVEN TOUCH HIM! You cannot even tell when he is even giving 100% effort in evasion because he is such a showman.

That's what is so mind blowing about Floyd. Not many guys in history are like this.

Post: #43

Let's not let this devolve into a MMA v Boxing thing. It's about Ronda Rousey v Mayweather, and there's no chance she'd win. Under either set of rules.

Post: #44

Agreed.

Ronda Rousey is far and away from being equal with many of the male mma fighters being mentioned here. I wonder how long before she does porn?

Post: #45

One solid leg kick lands from an elite male MMA fighter and Floyd is basically done. None of them would even try to punch him from the outset irrespective of weight class.

Ronda on the other hand would get destroyed.

Post: #46

She'd get killed. Dayna White is using her as a pure marketing ploy.

If she was lucky enough to get close to Mayweather to take him down, yeah I guess it's possible. It's extremely likely she'd get knocked out the minute she got within his range.

It's a male against a female. I've grappled against many women, and they just don't stand a chance. If it's a guys first time on the mat and he knows absolutely nothing, sure a girl who's been training can sub him. Once he gains experience it's done.

I'm a purple belt in BJJ. I've grappled against a girl who came in second in the World Championships in her weight class. I outweighed her by 30 lbs. In all of our several rolling session never was I under any threat, and quite frankly I just fucked around before applying pressure and submitting her. This is a girl who came in 2nd place in the world's. I'm not even an elite BJJ athlete I train 3x a week.

A male versus female in nearly every sport isn't a fair contest. That's not to say that these women are not extremely talented and hard working athletes, they are. I respect their skill level and I give credit where credit is due. But these people who believe that women can legitimately compete at the same level with men need their heads examined.

Post: #47

(07-16-2014 10:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:53 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  There was a little guy at my old gym that stood about 5'7" at best and weighted about 125lbs. He was a Judo brown belt and knew his shit. We would get all types of guys coming to the gym for various reasons and bet them they couldn't take that little guy down. They all laughed, some were wrestlers, muay thai, mma, bjj, ect. They would get into the ring with the little guy and he would throw them around like a sack of potatoes. Wrestlers always went the hardest, the would just lock up with him right off the bat and then they would be on the ground embarrassed as shit. Ronda Rousey is a Olympic level Judo player and a freakish athlete as far as women go. I'm pretty sure she could close the distance and throw Money Mayweather on his ass and submit him. I don't think Meisha Tate or Gina Carano or really any other female MMA fighter would be able to do so, but I think in MMA rules Ronda gets the win.

No way dude. Sorry. Floyd would knock out most of the pro MMA fighters I have trained over the years. The only ones he could never beat are probably my heavyweights (230+lbs) and he maybe would not beat an elite 170 pounder I used to train due to his black belt in BJJ and brown belt in Judo and sheer number/quality of wins in his record.

I doubt Rhonda could even beat me. I have a black belt in BJJ and Traditional Judo, Japanese Ju Jitsu, and 10+ years of Muay Thai experience. Not to mention I weigh alot more than she does.

The thing you guys are not understanding is the sheer speed at which Floyd can fight at. Rhonda would be knocked out while standing and subsequently collapse while Floyd had already dashed back and switched his stance/feet twice, while she is still falling mid air...

That kind of foot speed is WORLD CLASS speed. Any real fighter or trainer knows this. He would dot her eyes so quickly she would never have a chance to be able to grab his arms or body for a takedown. If they started on the ground she could beat him for sure. If they started on feet, he would destroy her immediately. He would destroy 98% of the world's population in a fight. He could not beat any of those world strongest men guys unless they kneel down and let him punch them.

An old Chinese gong fu master told me when I was a young man, that the Chinese have a saying, "Power will always be number 1 and weight equals power. Technique is number 2." MMA fighters such as myself have more than 50 pounds on her. Our bones are super dense because we have many times more testosterone than she does. We have cured our fists, elbows, and knees using Muay Thai. A good punch from us would shatter her orbital bone.

Floyd is no different. He has broken his fingers from hitting other MEN in the face so hard recently. Our bone density means alot as men.

You know I have had a few ameuter boxers on my teams cross over into MMA. Anytime I would get a newly joined boxer I would ask him to spar with all of my guys, round robin, just because I wanted them to humble my guys. After fighters start to feel their nuts after a few cagefight wins, they start getting cocky as shit and lazy. They start thinking they can beat boxers and that their standup is perfect. The boxers never failed to dish out some humble pie. They always ended up being super popular in the gym and quickly befriended by all my fighters arguing over time with the boxer.

You guys need to understand sheer bone density and weight/power better. Clay Matthews of the Green Bay Packers would kill Rhonda instantly and he is like a white belt in MMA last time I checked.

are your mma fighters allowed to go for takedowns when they spar your boxers

James Toney, he was shot by then in all fairness, tried to switch over to UFC. He got beat in the quickness

Post: #48

didn't realize the video would be set on private

there's not much. it's 22 seconds long, and he responds with I don't know who he is when a reporter asks him about mmagirl's trolling

Post: #49

(07-16-2014 03:45 PM)Solus Wrote:  One solid leg kick lands from an elite [b]male MMA fighter and Floyd is basically done. None of them would even try to punch him from the outset irrespective of weight class[/b].

Ronda on the other hand would get destroyed.

Not necessarily true. Floyd is an extremely well conditioned athlete. Look at his legs and the legs of a pro soccer player. Almost the same look right? If a pro Muay Thai Fighter give them or Floyd one good kick (if it didn't miss), you cannot say for 100% that they would instantly drop. Well the soccer player would if it was a soccer match because they like to flop, but I have personally squeezed their legs to know how hard they are (don't ask why). In a street fight it would hurt them for sure, because it just does, but that is not a guarantee drop. Can they take 2 or 3 chops to the legs? Probably not.

Don't get me wrong those kicks are dangerous, especially against normal everyday people. Almost all of them definitely cannot take even one kick, which is why Muay Thai is arguably alot better for street defense than BJJ would be. Short term at least until age and health becomes an issue.

Post: #50

"Almost every male on the current UFC roster would likely get ahold of him."

And your point here? Does this mean that you think Ronda Rousey is going to get ahold of Mayweather?

I don't think anyone is debating that it would be interesting to see GSP vs Mayweather (and all the debate that would follow).

Ronda Rousey vs. Mayweather? Please.