Post: #51

Anyone noticed how dilated his pupils are in this photo?

Lizard of Oz mentioned his head state and usage of pharmaceutical drugs, but he looks like he is high from recreational drugs.

Post: #52

She is a hot bitch, but she ain't worth killing yourself over.

Post: #53

"Don't wait for the good woman. She doesn't exist. There are women who can make you feel more with their bodies and their souls but these are the exact women who will turn the knife into you right in front of the crowd. Of course, I expect this, but the knife still cuts. The female loves to play man against man. And if she is in a position to do it there is not one who will not resist. The male, for all his bravado and exploration, is the loyal one, the one who generally feels love. The female is skilled at betrayal. And torture and damnation. Never envy a man his lady. Behind it all lays a living hell."

— Charles Bukowski

Post: #54

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There is definitely something more going on here. Why is Alice from the Brady Bunch making an afterlife appearance in the background?

Post: #55

(07-05-2014 05:30 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 05:25 AM)Brosemite Wrote:  She's absolutely stunning.

She's also 32 years old, though.

Real talk. The most I'll say for the bitch is that my brain's heuristic algorithms recognize her facial symmetry and resultant aesthetic, but the overall vibe I get looking at the pics is dry and asexual. If I passed her by on the streets of Tokyo or Shanghai I'll probably process that she's likely a model/actress, shrug my shoulders in a gesture of mild curiosity and go back to pondering all the cute 18-25 year old Asian girls all around me I have a visceral, primal NEED to FUCK.

In other words, damn I fear getting old if this bimbo is something you kill yourself over when you're a 99th percentile 40 year old.

Post: #56

Watch Andrew Stern interact with the ladies. Maybe he should have married Whitney the sales associate because my initial impression is that she's cute, sweet, and easier to maintain. Note she complimented him twice right away, and was smiling when they talked. She would have been the one making him happy, instead of the other way around.
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vtbg2hpx/

Compare this to Katie Cleary. She's not the sweet type, and she has a no B.S. and direct type of attitude ("no cheesy lines"). In fact, Katie's outgoing personality is directly opposite to Andrew's shyness. I can see Andrew not being the dominant personality in their relationship and her getting bored of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6llN3f1LSk

Listen to Q&A with Katie Cleary. She implies she had a couple of asshole boyfriends in Chicago, then said if she was a guy she would prey on the stupid girls. If she could have a ONS, she would have hypothetical hypergamy with Marlon Brando. Cleary is smart to not talk about her sexual experience. I found her pretty hot in this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0jJPhSwXo

Post: #57

(07-05-2014 11:10 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  The fact that they met on Millionaire Matchmaker ... told me everything I needed to know.

+1. I have never seen a more wretched cunt than that MM chick. She gives horrible blue pill advice and has never been married herself.

I should make a drinking game up for that show.

Post: #58

(07-05-2014 10:38 PM)not_dead_yet Wrote:  on Millionaire Matchmaker ...
+1. I have never seen a more wretched cunt than that MM chick. She gives horrible blue pill advice and has never been married herself.

Patti Stanger annoys the heck out of me.

Post: #59

She has a very cool, collected air about her. If she wasn't so attractive, she would seem downright androgynous.

While some may think it's good for a woman to be more controlled and less emotional, her demeanor is a little unsettling to me. I'd much sooner take the girlier blonde interviewing her. I don't trust a girl I can't make giggle like a little girl, and even that is no assurance.

Post: #60

(07-05-2014 11:15 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  She has a very cool, collected air about her. If she wasn't so attractive, she would seem downright androgynous.

While some may think it's good for a woman to be more controlled and less emotional, her demeanor is a little unsettling to me. I'd much sooner take the girlier blonde interviewing her. I don't trust a girl I can't make giggle like a little girl, and even that is no assurance.

My guess would be that the sex with her wouldn't be very good. I can't see her very passionate or being a partner that wants to give and make you feel good. I can imagine sex with her becoming more like a chore rather than something to look forward to and get excited about after a hard day at work. Then, to top it all off, I would have to worry about her having an affair.

Post: #61

(07-05-2014 10:31 PM)arribaperro Wrote:  Watch Andrew Stern interact with the ladies. Maybe he should have married Whitney the sales associate because my initial impression is that she's cute, sweet, and easier to maintain. Note she complimented him twice right away, and was smiling when they talked. She would have been the one making him happy, instead of the other way around.
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vtbg2hpx/

Compare this to Katie Cleary. She's not the sweet type, and she has a no B.S. and direct type of attitude ("no cheesy lines"). In fact, Katie's outgoing personality is directly opposite to Andrew's shyness. I can see Andrew not being the dominant personality in their relationship and her getting bored of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6llN3f1LSk

Listen to Q&A with Katie Cleary. She implies she had a couple of asshole boyfriends in Chicago, then said if she was a guy she would prey on the stupid girls. If she could have a ONS, she would have hypothetical hypergamy with Marlon Brando. Cleary is smart to not talk about her sexual experience. I found her pretty hot in this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0jJPhSwXo

Anyone watch the third video? Here is part of it:

Interviewer: You got an ex-boyfriend you want to warn the world about?

Katie Cleary: No. He was just bad news. Bad news. He was married and his wife was pregnant...

Call me crazy, but I think a woman who chooses to date a married guy with a pregnant wife, might be a drama-seeker. Perhaps there might be some questionable morality, I don't know. Wouldn't want to slut-shame, though, would we?

But seriously, once again, I'll repeat what I said before: she's a great girl to show off so you can prequalify yourself to better women. I have a woman I do this with. These women tend to be unbearable and selfish, but they look great in evening wear. Men need to learn how to spot such types. Shame Andrew Stern didn't.

We need to do an ROK article on "Which type of girl is she?" that can help slot women into various categories. Some are for show, some you want to hide way but screw around with, some you can get serious with, etc. Since there is no male Oprah, lack of discourse about this has resulted in men mistaking whores for wives, so to speak.

Post: #62

(07-05-2014 10:31 PM)arribaperro Wrote:  Watch Andrew Stern interact with the ladies. Maybe he should have married Whitney the sales associate because my initial impression is that she's cute, sweet, and easier to maintain. Note she complimented him twice right away, and was smiling when they talked. She would have been the one making him happy, instead of the other way around.
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vtbg2hpx/

Compare this to Katie Cleary. She's not the sweet type, and she has a no B.S. and direct type of attitude ("no cheesy lines"). In fact, Katie's outgoing personality is directly opposite to Andrew's shyness. I can see Andrew not being the dominant personality in their relationship and her getting bored of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6llN3f1LSk

Listen to Q&A with Katie Cleary. She implies she had a couple of asshole boyfriends in Chicago, then said if she was a guy she would prey on the stupid girls. If she could have a ONS, she would have hypothetical hypergamy with Marlon Brando. Cleary is smart to not talk about her sexual experience. I found her pretty hot in this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0jJPhSwXo

After watching these videos and a few others on youtube featuring Cleary, I can say without a doubt that she had complete and total emotional and psychological control over Andrew Stern. She ran the show, and it wasn't even debatable. There is absolutely no way that Stern had any leverage or control in that relationship - she was far, FAR beyond anything he was equipped to handle.

Her attention-seeking nature was already challenging enough. As I mentioned in previous posts, physically elite women with a strong attention-seeking drive are hard to lock down even for high status, supremely dominant and confident men, nevermind insecure, highly medicated softies like Stern. He was precisely the kind of man who would be prone to quick emotional investment in such a woman, and she most certainly never fully reciprocated. Again, that hurt him badly.

Beyond that, however, is the fact that she's just a dominant personality. I can't even really imagine him holding his own in a conversation with her. This was not the kind of guy who could approach her confidently, build solid rapport via conversation or make her laugh much, banter with her evenly (she seems the type to throw out a lot of shit tests I doubt Stern would pass) and actually build solid attraction. Rather, it is clear that she settled - he got her because he looked like a solid provider, the kind who could take her to events in style like this:





Just listen to her at 1:50 in this video - "exotic rental car company", favorite car is the "R8 V10 Spyder" - the girl likes nice things, and Stern could pay for them. She spends this video sitting in a Rolls-Royce Ghost (apparently NOT her favorite car) that she'd not be riding around in without him -this is what he brought to the table (plus his ability to fund her expensive animal rights crusade).

She just tolerated his flaws in light of his ability to provide a certain lifestyle for her, and the ease with which he could manipulate him into doing so. I could picture her holding back her more dominant persona during their early conversations, watching as he weakly tried to build rapport and pretending to be genuinely attracted to his personality (when all he really had to offer was his finances and status). She led the way the whole time, I'm certain of it.





Listen to her at 2:50 in this video when she answers a question about how to turn a guy on - she talks about using her personality ("watching football", "having a blast", etc). I could actually see that scaring the crap out of Stern. There was no way he'd be able to go toe-to-toe with her as she showed this "personality" - she'd end up leading the way as he meekly followed, bullied into submission by her enthusiasm and unable to even drum up some playful banter in response.

He was a means to an end for her, and he had absolutely no hope of holding her down for long with his introversion and generally weak game. Once he got a ring on her finger, she stopped holding back her naturally dominant persona (no need to charm him and indulge his weakness as much as before now that they were husband and wife) and things went downhill. She probably got a little more critical of him to his face, tested him a little more, and generally made him feel the consequences of his weakness more than he ever had earlier in their relationship. Not only did she have to satisfy her natural desire to seek attention (which no one man could satisfy), but she got tired to dealing with really weak game and having to lead the relationship herself. It was only a matter of time before she left.

I agree with aribaperro's assertion that the pretty sales associate would have been better for him, but even she would have run the show (you can see in that clip that she was already kind of leading the way in that conversation) and tired of the union eventually, though it would have taken longer for it to implode.

The fact that Stern was quiet isn't necessarily the problem - one can be fairly introverted while conveying strength. It takes time to learn (lessons often come the hard way via trial and error), but introverts can learn to exude a confident aura that people respect even though they do not talk much. This is especially true for introverts who look like Stern (strong physique, decent height, handsome features, etc).

Stern's problem was that he wasn't even the strong silent type - he was the weak silent type, the kind that doesn't even really exude any of the strength women look for in the men they wish to commit to. He just looked scared and awkward all the time, and couldn't even make a basic approach in a room full of women dying to meet him (something even an introvert needs to learn how to do). His conversational skills were particularly poor judging from the video - introverts don't need to speak much, but it helps that they sound good when they do. This ups the value of their word and build respect among those they interact with. Stern opened his mouth and just killed attraction.

These videos have made the reasoning behind the development of this story much clearer to me. The implosion of this relationship was inevitable.

Post: #63

(07-05-2014 04:30 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  There are other reports on that bitch - she was supposed to have been flirting openly even when they were married and living together. She humiliated the guy in front of the press and his friends.

I disagree. That's humiliating HERSELF.

Post: #64

(07-06-2014 01:12 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  The fact that Stern was quiet isn't necessarily the problem - one can be fairly introverted while conveying strength. It takes time to learn (lessons often come the hard way via trial and error), but introverts can learn to exude a confident aura that people respect even though they do not talk much. This is especially true for introverts who look like Stern (strong physique, decent height, handsome features, etc).

Stern's problem was that he wasn't even the strong silent type - he was the weak silent type, the kind that doesn't even really exude any of the strength women look for in the men they wish to commit to. He just looked scared and awkward all the time, and couldn't even make a basic approach in a room full of women dying to meet him (something even an introvert needs to learn how to do). His conversational skills were particularly poor judging from the video - introverts don't need to speak much, but it helps that they sound good when they do. This ups the value of their word and build respect among those they interact with. Stern opened his mouth and just killed attraction.

These videos have made the reasoning behind the development of this story much clearer to me. The implosion of this relationship was inevitable.

Stern was a physical alpha and a mental beta. I agree that one can learn to increase one's confidence and dominance with game to a certain extent, but with time one's personality regresses to its natural state. It's like one has to constantly be on the lookout and on his toes to assert himself. That's a very tiresome state of mind to pursue and continue.

Maybe Stern needed to find a quiet, pretty girl with low self-esteem, few opinions, and who won't be constantly shit testing the hell of out him just to see if he's man enough. That would be the easier course of action and long term more practical for guys like him. I'm speaking from the position of a being a natural beta myself, one who tries to avoid confrontation, naturally shy, and awkward in large groups.

By using short term game, Stern's best option was to pump and dump Katie Cleary knowing he couldn't handle her long term. Katie would have been absolutely shocked that a weak mental beta like Stern would be the one dumping her, which would cause her to go back to him for more validation, probably each time giving him better sex and fucking his brains out until the point where she gives up in disgust and calls him obscene names. That's how to handle these bitches if you're a natural beta (assuming you had the wealth to attract gold diggers like her in the first place)

"If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."
Sun Tzu

Post: #65

Here is the full Millionaire Matchmaker episode





I always stated that the show is usually in the form of throwing a clueless Beta to a bunch of pre-wall Alpha-Widows, who are looking to cash in. Especially if you add the host's "appropriate age" matching and stupid dating advice. A girl should ride the carousel in her 20s looking to settle down between 30 and 40.

Katie Cleary:

- dated a lot of Bad Boys - extreme Alpha Widow
- strong personality - plenty of shit-tests
- highly materialistic - wanted top-notch materially then since she reached a certain age


Stern:
- 6'4, good-looking and millionaire, but cannot get dates because of shy introversion
- look at his interaction with women - he is a case for a long-term PUA coach - should have invested his money there
- 5 mio. $ in net wealth, but driving around in a 500.000$ car is anything but financially responsible - he tried to appease his wife by overspending

In short - Red Pill & Game would have saved the guy - he could have afforded long-term personal coaching by a top-level professional PUA.

She did what was to be expected of her, cannot really blame the tiger for being one.

Post: #66

(07-05-2014 11:15 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  She has a very cool, collected air about her. If she wasn't so attractive, she would seem downright androgynous.

While some may think it's good for a woman to be more controlled and less emotional, her demeanor is a little unsettling to me. I'd much sooner take the girlier blonde interviewing her. I don't trust a girl I can't make giggle like a little girl, and even that is no assurance.

Hot ass American blondes come across that way naturally.

An ex's fiance killed his mother for the insurance money.

Didn't effect her at all other than calling him a douchbag.

Post: #67

(07-06-2014 01:12 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:31 PM)arribaperro Wrote:  Watch Andrew Stern interact with the ladies. Maybe he should have married Whitney the sales associate because my initial impression is that she's cute, sweet, and easier to maintain. Note she complimented him twice right away, and was smiling when they talked. She would have been the one making him happy, instead of the other way around.
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vtbg2hpx/

Compare this to Katie Cleary. She's not the sweet type, and she has a no B.S. and direct type of attitude ("no cheesy lines"). In fact, Katie's outgoing personality is directly opposite to Andrew's shyness. I can see Andrew not being the dominant personality in their relationship and her getting bored of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6llN3f1LSk

Listen to Q&A with Katie Cleary. She implies she had a couple of asshole boyfriends in Chicago, then said if she was a guy she would prey on the stupid girls. If she could have a ONS, she would have hypothetical hypergamy with Marlon Brando. Cleary is smart to not talk about her sexual experience. I found her pretty hot in this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0jJPhSwXo

After watching these videos and a few others on youtube featuring Cleary, I can say without a doubt that she had complete and total emotional and psychological control over Andrew Stern. She ran the show, and it wasn't even debatable. There is absolutely no way that Stern had any leverage or control in that relationship - she was far, FAR beyond anything he was equipped to handle.

Her attention-seeking nature was already challenging enough. As I mentioned in previous posts, physically elite women with a strong attention-seeking drive are hard to lock down even for high status, supremely dominant and confident men, nevermind insecure, highly medicated softies like Stern. He was precisely the kind of man who would be prone to quick emotional investment in such a woman, and she most certainly never fully reciprocated. Again, that hurt him badly.

Beyond that, however, is the fact that she's just a dominant personality. I can't even really imagine him holding his own in a conversation with her. This was not the kind of guy who could approach her confidently, build solid rapport via conversation or make her laugh much, banter with her evenly (she seems the type to throw out a lot of shit tests I doubt Stern would pass) and actually build solid attraction. Rather, it is clear that she settled - he got her because he looked like a solid provider, the kind who could take her to events in style like this:





Just listen to her at 1:50 in this video - "exotic rental car company", favorite car is the "R8 V10 Spyder" - the girl likes nice things, and Stern could pay for them. She spends this video sitting in a Rolls-Royce Ghost (apparently NOT her favorite car) that she'd not be riding around in without him -this is what he brought to the table (plus his ability to fund her expensive animal rights crusade).

She just tolerated his flaws in light of his ability to provide a certain lifestyle for her, and the ease with which he could manipulate him into doing so. I could picture her holding back her more dominant persona during their early conversations, watching as he weakly tried to build rapport and pretending to be genuinely attracted to his personality (when all he really had to offer was his finances and status). She led the way the whole time, I'm certain of it.





Listen to her at 2:50 in this video when she answers a question about how to turn a guy on - she talks about using her personality ("watching football", "having a blast", etc). I could actually see that scaring the crap out of Stern. There was no way he'd be able to go toe-to-toe with her as she showed this "personality" - she'd end up leading the way as he meekly followed, bullied into submission by her enthusiasm and unable to even drum up some playful banter in response.

He was a means to an end for her, and he had absolutely no hope of holding her down for long with his introversion and generally weak game. Once he got a ring on her finger, she stopped holding back her naturally dominant persona (no need to charm him and indulge his weakness as much as before now that they were husband and wife) and things went downhill. She probably got a little more critical of him to his face, tested him a little more, and generally made him feel the consequences of his weakness more than he ever had earlier in their relationship. Not only did she have to satisfy her natural desire to seek attention (which no one man could satisfy), but she got tired to dealing with really weak game and having to lead the relationship herself. It was only a matter of time before she left.

I agree with aribaperro's assertion that the pretty sales associate would have been better for him, but even she would have run the show (you can see in that clip that she was already kind of leading the way in that conversation) and tired of the union eventually, though it would have taken longer for it to implode.

The fact that Stern was quiet isn't necessarily the problem - one can be fairly introverted while conveying strength. It takes time to learn (lessons often come the hard way via trial and error), but introverts can learn to exude a confident aura that people respect even though they do not talk much. This is especially true for introverts who look like Stern (strong physique, decent height, handsome features, etc).

Stern's problem was that he wasn't even the strong silent type - he was the weak silent type, the kind that doesn't even really exude any of the strength women look for in the men they wish to commit to. He just looked scared and awkward all the time, and couldn't even make a basic approach in a room full of women dying to meet him (something even an introvert needs to learn how to do). His conversational skills were particularly poor judging from the video - introverts don't need to speak much, but it helps that they sound good when they do. This ups the value of their word and build respect among those they interact with. Stern opened his mouth and just killed attraction.

These videos have made the reasoning behind the development of this story much clearer to me. The implosion of this relationship was inevitable.

That video was painful to watch. He wasn't even her equal let alone superior; it's as if he was her driver. A driver that wasn't getting paid and actually losing money.

My theory is upper middle class guys have a harder time taking the red pill and learning game. Having faith in society's system has granted them success thus far.

Post: #68

(07-06-2014 02:25 AM)arribaperro Wrote:  Stern was a physical alpha and a mental beta. I agree that one can learn to increase one's confidence and dominance with game to a certain extent, but with time one's personality regresses to its natural state. It's like one has to constantly be on the lookout and on his toes to assert himself. That's a very tiresome state of mind to pursue and continue.

"If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."
Sun Tzu

There are so many guys who went from Omega to Alpha, that it is anything but a regression to a "natural" state. The first state was not natural anyway.

Stern's goal would habe been to turn from weak silent guy to strong silent guy - all under direct coaching . And he was strong enough in his business interactions with men. He just needed to learn Game, learn to interact with women and do away with some useless behavioral patterns.

Instead of stupidly smiling at the mixer, any PUA would have told him to wipe the moronic smile off his face and just give the girls a strong silent look. When bestowing women with a smile - do it with confidence and amusement (amused mastery) - for the introverted silent guy, that is the usual routine. After a while it might have become a part of his personality - plus the ability to recognize and counter shit-tests goes a long way.

Handling such a woman as his ex-wife for a guy like him would have been a tough call anyway. But even then - with better Game knowledge he would have been a better judge of female character and would have likely chosen a girl, who would have been perfectly happy being together with a tall handsome millionaire who had some medium Game.

Too late for him.

Post: #69

(07-06-2014 04:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  There are so many guys who went from Omega to Alpha, that it is anything but a regression to a "natural" state. The first state was not natural anyway.

I agree with you to a certain extent. You can move the needle enough when knowledge and practice becomes part of your working repertoire like training to gain muscle mass. If we can rank Beta to Alpha scale as 0 to 10, I can see a Natural 5 moving to a Practiced 7 or 8. Can a 1 move to a 10? I highly doubt it. Studies have shown that babies at birth exhibit certain personalities, such as being more introverted or extroverted. There is a degree of heritability in personality, just as there is a degree of heritability to intelligence.

http://www.parents.com/baby/development/...rsonality/
"There are people who are definitely introverted and people who are extroverted, and that is just the way they are. Introverts are not necessarily bad at social situations; they're just uncomfortable, and that's a definite biological, genetic thing," says Jen Meyers, coauthor of Raising Your Child."

With regards to Stern's model wife, she was the female equivalent of a Natural 10 on the Alpha scale.

Post: #70

(07-06-2014 04:43 PM)arribaperro Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 04:20 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  There are so many guys who went from Omega to Alpha, that it is anything but a regression to a "natural" state. The first state was not natural anyway.

I agree with you to a certain extent. You can move the needle enough when knowledge and practice becomes part of your working repertoire like training to gain muscle mass. If we can rank Beta to Alpha scale as 0 to 10, I can see a Natural 5 moving to a Practiced 7 or 8. Can a 1 move to a 10? I highly doubt it. Studies have shown that babies at birth exhibit certain personalities, such as being more introverted or extroverted. There is a degree of heritability in personality, just as there is a degree of heritability to intelligence.

http://www.parents.com/baby/development/...rsonality/
"There are people who are definitely introverted and people who are extroverted, and that is just the way they are. Introverts are not necessarily bad at social situations; they're just uncomfortable, and that's a definite biological, genetic thing," says Jen Meyers, coauthor of Raising Your Child."

With regards to Stern's model wife, she was the female equivalent of a Natural 10 on the Alpha scale.

Changing someone from introverted to extroverted is a con unless you have been just a stunted extrovert.

The change is to become a strong version of the introverted self. I personally appeared to be introverted in the past. It was just based on bad experiences. As soon as I "came into my own" I was rather extroverted.
But I know guys who just became strong silent guys without trying to emulate a high-energy person.

The understanding of the conventional psychologists regarding the Alpha -Beta state is just wrong. A male attraction level is derived from many values - height, nationality, looks, charisma, Game-level, social status etc.

You can work on a lot of points, but not on all. And some are just too insecure in their personality to make a huge transition - in my opinion it has little to do with introversion or extroversion and society's focus on those things is just moronic. Plenty of powerful saints or thinkers have been introverts and lone wolfs because of choice. Mainstream psychology just hates those guys, because they do not ben their knees to the norm - being a nice docile sheep in the herd.

Post: #71

Dude should have just cranked this Zep tune and let it harmonize his reality:

Post: #72

(07-05-2014 01:09 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 12:46 PM)arribaperro Wrote:  As others mentioned these are pump and dump chicks. I wouldn't mind not marrying and getting that chick accidentally pregnant and paying child support. At the very least you might have an attractive offspring.

I understand you might have a beautiful child from one of these nutjobs, but don't you think a child in this situation is gonna be pretty fucked up?

If I get a woman like her pregnant, I will thump my chest like the king of the jungle because I will be fulfilling my evolutionarily determined genetic purpose.
As for the resulting child, you're being too negative on its prospects.

Post: #73

(07-06-2014 09:37 PM)arribaperro Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 01:09 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 12:46 PM)arribaperro Wrote:  As others mentioned these are pump and dump chicks. I wouldn't mind not marrying and getting that chick accidentally pregnant and paying child support. At the very least you might have an attractive offspring.

I understand you might have a beautiful child from one of these nutjobs, but don't you think a child in this situation is gonna be pretty fucked up?

If I get a woman like her pregnant, I will thump my chest like the king of the jungle because I will be fulfilling my evolutionarily determined genetic purpose.
As for the resulting child, you're being too negative on its prospects.

I rarely hear of selfish, self absorbed, stone cold, indifferent nutjobs doing a great job of raising a child. Very good at extracting child support, not so great and child rearing. But, because it is possible and I am logical person, I am open to examples that prove me wrong.

Post: #74

http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/25/katie-clea...-dicaprio/
"Andrew Stern -- the husband of "Deal or No Deal" showcase model Katie Cleary who committed suicide Sunday -- went on a downward spiral after undergoing hormone replacement therapy for his libido ... TMZ has learned.

TMZ broke the story ... Stern shot himself in the head at a San Fernando Valley firing range. Sources say he was deeply depressed, largely over the meltdown of his marriage.

Close friends of Andrew tell us ... 2 years ago he went to a Beverly Hills health and wellness center because he was feeling lethargic and had a waning libido. We're told the center gave him a kit, which included human growth hormones and testosterone. Both were injectables.

The friends say he started experiencing drastic mood swings and became extremely irritable. Andrew kept the regimen up for a year but couldn't take it anymore and stopped cold turkey.

We're told abruptly stopping such therapy is extremely dangerous and in Andrew's case he spiraled into a deep depression, which got much worse because his business failed and everything then took a toll on his marriage.

The friends tells us ... Andrew -- who filed for divorce in April -- went nuclear after seeing pics of his wife in Cannes, nuzzling up to Leo DiCaprio. Katie's rep says the pics didn't have an impact on Andrew, but his friends scoff and say it had a HUGE affect.
One friend tells us he spoke with Andrew the day before he killed himself -- Andrew said he was having "a tough day" but assured him he'd be OK."


Let's play devil's advocate. Two years before this incident in 2012, he started having erectile dysfunction. In 2012, she was age 30, him age 38. His ED treatments made him moody, irritable, and depressive, while his business was declining, eventually leading to failure. From her perspective, this is a pretty crappy position to be in.

Here is a woman who is still extremely beautiful with opportunities from her work to meet other successful men seeing that her husband was in trouble. At age 30, she knew her beauty would not last her much longer than a few years to other successful men. And really, as a model, her beauty is everything she had going for her. Was she to go down with the captain of the ship? Should she stay with a guy with a limp dick and failed business? Unfortunately, "for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health" are merely words repeated out of tradition. In reality, many women will run at the first sign of trouble if she still got the goods.

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(07-06-2014 11:24 PM)arribaperro Wrote:  http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/25/katie-clea...-dicaprio/
"Andrew Stern -- the husband of "Deal or No Deal" showcase model Katie Cleary who committed suicide Sunday -- went on a downward spiral after undergoing hormone replacement therapy for his libido ... TMZ has learned.

TMZ broke the story ... Stern shot himself in the head at a San Fernando Valley firing range. Sources say he was deeply depressed, largely over the meltdown of his marriage.

Close friends of Andrew tell us ... 2 years ago he went to a Beverly Hills health and wellness center because he was feeling lethargic and had a waning libido. We're told the center gave him a kit, which included human growth hormones and testosterone. Both were injectables.

The friends say he started experiencing drastic mood swings and became extremely irritable. Andrew kept the regimen up for a year but couldn't take it anymore and stopped cold turkey.

We're told abruptly stopping such therapy is extremely dangerous and in Andrew's case he spiraled into a deep depression, which got much worse because his business failed and everything then took a toll on his marriage.

The friends tells us ... Andrew -- who filed for divorce in April -- went nuclear after seeing pics of his wife in Cannes, nuzzling up to Leo DiCaprio. Katie's rep says the pics didn't have an impact on Andrew, but his friends scoff and say it had a HUGE affect.
One friend tells us he spoke with Andrew the day before he killed himself -- Andrew said he was having "a tough day" but assured him he'd be OK."


Let's play devil's advocate. Two years before this incident in 2012, he started having erectile dysfunction. In 2012, she was age 30, him age 38. His ED treatments made him moody, irritable, and depressive, while his business was declining, eventually leading to failure. From her perspective, this is a pretty crappy position to be in.

Here is a woman who is still extremely beautiful with opportunities from her work to meet other successful men seeing that her husband was in trouble. At age 30, she knew her beauty would not last her much longer than a few years to other successful men. And really, as a model, her beauty is everything she had going for her. Was she to go down with the captain of the ship? Should she stay with a guy with a limp dick and failed business? Unfortunately, "for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health" are merely words repeated out of tradition. In reality, many women will run at the first sign of trouble if she still got the goods.

My guess is this chick bailed as soon as the first signs of trouble started. Her modeling work put her in contact with lots of rich and famous dudes, and so she probably started having affairs on the side and then finally jumped ship when things got really bad. It says that he was the one who initiated the divorce, so my guess is this chick was cheating on him and then left him when he started to hit rock bottom.

Got to say I now feel a little sorry for this dude. He had a limp dick and a failed business. He probably felt like he lost everything when she left. Furthermore, lets be honest: a beta like this dude was probably never going to get a hot piece of ass like her ever again.

Let this be a lesson: Don't put pussy on a pedestal...and a women is only as faithful as her options.