Post: #26

I'm afraid to miss out on fucking 18-22 year old petite blonde girls if I don't put in a lot of effort in that the next few years.

I'm also afraid of that I would not enjoy that so much more when I'm slightly older (I'm 22 now).

Does this mean that I don't have to be in a hurry to enjoy those experiences with petite blondes, e.g. that it doesn't matter whether I'm going to enjoy them now or within a few years? I'm working on it now, though, but it is easy to make myself so busy with others things than girls.

Post: #27

I can promise you it will be a lot easier getting them when you have more money, experience and age. So I wouldn't sweat it and focus on the other things first. And no, the older you get the more you will appreciate younger girls. And you literally have another lifetime to get them.

Post: #28

the one thing i hate about life is that it makes "love" so much harder to grasp.

Sometimes i think - knowing what i know now - that it would be preferable to "fall in love" with a girl (you are banging, ofcourse). If you go into it with the zen like mentality that nothing lasts forever, it can be a quite enjoyable pleasure. Unfortunately, it seems that because of game, the actual experience of falling in love becomes increasingly non-existent, less intense, or short-lived. The last time i experienced "love" like feeligns, they faded after less than a week.

Post: #29

Be thankful for that. If I meet one woman a year I feel a really deep connection with I consider myself lucky. Even so, you can still have a measure of affection for a girl. At the end of the day it just comes down to how you feel when you are with that person - forget about labels.

Post: #30

Soup, you and Nomad should meet up in NYC (or you go to Miami) and just go out for a few nights of hunting. You might find that your energy translates better in person. I'm sure Nomad was up in NYC a month or so ago, you should have gone to a meetup etc.

I have personally hunted with Nomad for almost a year in South Florida almost every weekend and he is game for anything.

Maybe you find his musings may translate in threads to be off tangent to the traditional game route. I was wow'ed in person, we've gone to the most goonish clubs, steeped in ignorance, and his energy and his approach mentality was IDENTICAL as to when we were in posh events.

Post: #31

This is accurate.

Once you've seen the cycle of a relationship through a few times, it is very difficult to 'fall in love' in the way you do when you are young.

Remember: Romeo and Juliet were teenagers in the play.

The more I think about it, the more 'falling in love' seems to me a form of dressed up pedestalisation. I don't believe that romantic love as it is popularly understood actually exists in real life, beyond the infatuation phase.

(06-29-2014 08:54 PM)OneIdea Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 03:39 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  But there is an experience that I have been able to duplicate and it is always as good as the first time. And that experience is love. I have never found the love of a girl any less of great experience than any previous girl that I have loved.

This is absolutely true . . . when you're 22.

At 32? Maybe.

At 42? Nope.

At 52? Only self-deluded fools fall in love at this age—and usually, they're not falling in love, but rather wanting to fall in love so bad that they convince themselves that they are, even when they're not.

I'm 46. You can't really fall in love after 32 or 35 or so. Not unless you've been a hermit or a monk. People who claim that they've "fallen in love" are likely trying to recapture their own youth, rather than genuinely experiencing the emotion.

Actually, now that I think about it, the over-40 and over-50 men I know who most vocally claim they've "fallen in love" are precisely the ones most terrified of aging. Precisely the ones who go for tummy-tucks and jowl-tucks, precisely the ones driving around in muscle cars and Ferraris.

Just my 2¢.

Post: #32

What about that Governor of South Carolina, who ran off to Argentina a few years ago? Wasn't he like 50?

Post: #33

(06-29-2014 03:39 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  There is a saying: you can only experience something for the first time once. Once you have experience it everything else will be judged by that experience. And since a first great experience is being compared to zero it is always great! I spent years chasing my first time in Brazil in the same way.

I completely understand this.

(06-29-2014 03:39 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I have never gotten any less joy from the first moment a girl sees me and her face lights up and I look into her eyes and realize that I am the source of that light. Even after all these years, it still stops me in my tracks and make me want to capture that moment and hold it for just a little bit longer...

This.

An 18 year old beauty smiling as she looks up at me after kissing my chest, with long, shiny hair, flawless, smooth skin, a small mouth with perfect teeth, a small nose, bright eyes, looking up at me in admiration, running her small hands through my chest hair, then taking a deep breath and telling me how much she misses my smell every time I'm away.

She giggles as a I gently scrape my 5 o'clock shadow over her pert breasts, the only man to have ever done so.

She becomes a moon that orbits around me. I am her center. She follows where I lead, as we intertwine. She trusts me FULLY, without reservations.

This.

Never.

Gets.

Old.

No matter how many times I've done it.

To her, the days, weeks, and months we spend together are amazing experiences.

To me, it's like I'm playing the same movie over and over again with a different actress in the lead role.

If a girl doesn't LOVE me, I mean, if she doesn't give herself to me 100%, I do consider it a notch, but I don't consider it a conquest, I just don't.

And if it's not a conquest, to me, I may as well be jacking off.

Jacking off is fine.

Getting a new notch on my belt is much better.

But NOTHING beats conquering a woman worth conquering, in every sense of the word.

That's just me.

Post: #34

(06-30-2014 01:13 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Game is a tool and just like any tool you can decide how to use it to achieve a desired outcome. I don't use game to get sex. I use game to build and maintain relationships with women. I am not interested in ONS or SDL. I am also interested in helping the "average" guy find and create meaningful relationships with quality women - which is what I think most guys really want.

The truth is, in any given year, I will turn down sex from more women than I will have sex with. For me sex is a reward to women for good behavior.

^^ This. I'm very careful about the women I share my life with. This costs me notches. So be it, my life is richer as a result.

I learned this from business. The moves you DON'T make are often as significant to your success as the moves you DO make.

Post: #35

wow, a lot of poetry in this thread

Post: #36

(06-29-2014 08:54 PM)OneIdea Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 03:39 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  But there is an experience that I have been able to duplicate and it is always as good as the first time. And that experience is love. I have never found the love of a girl any less of great experience than any previous girl that I have loved.

This is absolutely true . . . when you're 22.

At 32? Maybe.

At 42? Nope.

At 52? Only self-deluded fools fall in love at this age—and usually, they're not falling in love, but rather wanting to fall in love so bad that they convince themselves that they are, even when they're not.

I'm 46. You can't really fall in love after 32 or 35 or so. Not unless you've been a hermit or a monk. People who claim that they've "fallen in love" are likely trying to recapture their own youth, rather than genuinely experiencing the emotion.

Actually, now that I think about it, the over-40 and over-50 men I know who most vocally claim they've "fallen in love" are precisely the ones most terrified of aging. Precisely the ones who go for tummy-tucks and jowl-tucks, precisely the ones driving around in muscle cars and Ferraris.

Just my 2¢.

I agree.

BUT remember,

It's better to be loved than to love.

And you can be loved at 32, 42, or 52, by a 22 year old.

Why complicate things?

There's a saying in Spanish:

"El que se enamora, pierde."

Translation: "The one that falls in love, loses."

Just keep it a one way street. It's much simpler that way.

Post: #37

I find it basically impossible to fall in love. My feelings for new girlfriends is 100x less intense than it was for my first two.

Overall, this is a good thing, it helps me succeed with women.

Post: #38

(06-30-2014 09:38 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  If a girl doesn't LOVE me, I mean, if she doesn't give herself to me 100%, I do consider it a notch, but I don't consider it a conquest, I just don't.

And if it's not a conquest, to me, I may as well be jacking off.

Jacking off is fine.

Getting a new notch on my belt is much better.

But NOTHING beats conquering a woman worth conquering, in every sense of the word.

That's just me.

Well said, I could not have said it better myself. This is exactly what I am talking about but maybe it's only something you learn with age.

Post: #39

Intense, but I'll echo Spaniards sentiments on the subject. It's definitely better to be loved.

I can understand Nomads pursuit of quality women and enjoying what they have to offer.

Being in love...feels so foreign now and any glimpse of it I have I stamp out ("The one that falls in love, loses.")...maybe someday later I'll experience it again. Until them I'm preoccupied with myself only.

Post: #40

This thread has a terrible title... I don't think you should hate anything about life. That's a form of resistance to reality which will make you unhappy.

Post: #41

It's the title of the video Roosh posted.

Post: #42

(06-29-2014 03:39 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  http://www.rooshv.com/the-one-thing-i-hate-about-life

In this video Roosh talks about his inability to duplicate the initial excitement of an experience with a girl

I don't care if a woman is an easy lay, if other guys do not find her attractive, if she is the town bicycle, a prude, a tease, a bitch etc..

It is extremely satisfying to sleep with women I choose, not women I can get.


that feeling of getting a girl I chose never gets old.

Post: #43

This thread reads like a bunch of senior citizens reminiscing on life.

Confusing 'love' and infatuation also seems to be the problem.

The 18yo chick who 'loves' you isn't in love. She's infatuated because you've successfully pushed all of her emotional buttons and she's happy in the moment.

The moment you start telling her to change etc, watch how quickly she 'falls out of love, is confused, and feels like you're trying to tie her down so young'.

Post: #44

(06-30-2014 09:16 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  This thread reads like a bunch of senior citizens reminiscing on life.

Confusing 'love' and infatuation also seems to be the problem.

The 18yo chick who 'loves' you isn't in love. She's infatuated because you've successfully pushed all of her emotional buttons and she's happy in the moment.

The moment you start telling her to change etc, watch how quickly she 'falls out of love, is confused, and feels like you're trying to tie her down so young'.

I have yet to find anyone I know under 35 who is actually in love.

Before 35 your hormones are fueling your emotions too much. You can't see things rationally. You just have this connection - sex - that is different from just about everything else. Emotions come and cloud your logic and you think 'gee, I must be in love'. Goes ways for both men and women, although once you're past 30+ notches, you stop thinking sex is special. Girls can feel unable to bond through sex more often because they've had 30 or 40 cocks by the time they turn 21, whereas, with the exception of the top 10% of men, most men will never break through 10 notches.

Once you hit a certain age or a certain notch count you can look at things more logically, without having the hormone-fueled emotions cloud your sight and make you think irrationally.

Post: #45

Post: #46

(06-29-2014 08:54 PM)OneIdea Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 03:39 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  But there is an experience that I have been able to duplicate and it is always as good as the first time. And that experience is love. I have never found the love of a girl any less of great experience than any previous girl that I have loved.

This is absolutely true . . . when you're 22.

At 32? Maybe.

At 42? Nope.

At 52? Only self-deluded fools fall in love at this age—and usually, they're not falling in love, but rather wanting to fall in love so bad that they convince themselves that they are, even when they're not.

I'm 46. You can't really fall in love after 32 or 35 or so. Not unless you've been a hermit or a monk. People who claim that they've "fallen in love" are likely trying to recapture their own youth, rather than genuinely experiencing the emotion.

Actually, now that I think about it, the over-40 and over-50 men I know who most vocally claim they've "fallen in love" are precisely the ones most terrified of aging. Precisely the ones who go for tummy-tucks and jowl-tucks, precisely the ones driving around in muscle cars and Ferraris.

Just my 2¢.

I hope this isn't true.

I think it might be related to the level of shit one has gone through to that point. I'm 36 and feel like I still have my innocence intact with life in general. If I was paying alimony right now, I could see how someone could easily come to this conclusion.

Post: #47

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Post: #48

(06-29-2014 08:54 PM)OneIdea Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 03:39 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  But there is an experience that I have been able to duplicate and it is always as good as the first time. And that experience is love. I have never found the love of a girl any less of great experience than any previous girl that I have loved.

This is absolutely true . . . when you're 22.

At 32? Maybe.

At 42? Nope.

At 52? Only self-deluded fools fall in love at this age—and usually, they're not falling in love, but rather wanting to fall in love so bad that they convince themselves that they are, even when they're not.

I'm 46. You can't really fall in love after 32 or 35 or so. Not unless you've been a hermit or a monk. People who claim that they've "fallen in love" are likely trying to recapture their own youth, rather than genuinely experiencing the emotion.

Actually, now that I think about it, the over-40 and over-50 men I know who most vocally claim they've "fallen in love" are precisely the ones most terrified of aging. Precisely the ones who go for tummy-tucks and jowl-tucks, precisely the ones driving around in muscle cars and Ferraris.

Just my 2¢.

Thats sound sad. I am 37. I have been in love a few times. I could fall in love again right now and it would be just as amazing as when I was 15 and knew absolutely nothing.

I keep the curiosity of life, of things in general that a child has, as soon as I lose that, I know I have lost(at life). When I am 80, I will still have the same zest for life as I do now, I won't be able to do all of the things that I do now, at least not as well, but I will still want to experience life just as much as I do now.

I have no answer or counter to what you are saying, and I am sure a lot of guys feel the same as you. I just don't.

Post: #49

Women are toys.

Play with them. They aren't real friends.

Post: #50

I have lots of real women friends. This is the kind of manosphere BS guys with a stunted social development go around repeating.

If you go around believing that women are toys, bitches, sluts, the enemy or whatever you have already created a mental pre-condition that will guarantee your unhappiness in all of your relationships with women. It's the same as believing that black people are criminals or any particular race is bad. It is the foundation of all types of racism and only serves to divide and alienate people. Then the next step is thinking that they are then going to use "game" to fuck them over. It becomes their gun in the war of the sexes.

But there really is something called karma. You get back from the world what you put into it.