Post: #26

(06-06-2014 01:37 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  That's why - the distribution of pussy:

So the female 10 is too good even for the male 10?...

Post: #27

I disagree with the OP's post.

Recent data has shown that, at least in my home country (Australia), young people are having less sex than they were 10 years ago.

You could even look at the proliferation of the "herbivore" movement in Japan in recent years.

What's actually happening is that in developed nations (US, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, Korea etc), as women are now no longer financially dependent on men, they are free to pursue only the top 5 - 10% of men in society. It's these top men who now have got the luxury of engaging in extensive amounts of casual sex.

This is why game is needed - to balance out the playing field.

Post: #28

Truth Teller and Christian have brought up a valuable and inspiring corollary:

Even if game is tougher now, it's just all the more reason to get into it before it's too late for you to grow to the level needed. And that is the attitude that everyone should adopt, no matter where they are in the sexual marketplace.

Because - what is the alternative? Roll over and die from despair?

I've started from the bottom 1% almost 10 years ago and have fought my way into the 28%.

Never give up.

Post: #29

(06-06-2014 02:05 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  The overall supply of sex offered by women is slightly down because of several factors, the most important of which is the possibility of fulfilling sexual needs through attention whoring (i.e. rampant sluttiness that doesn't eventually result in penetration).

At the same time, because women are getting more and more hypergamous (because of being more and more insulated from the consequences of their choices), this dwindling supply of sex is being distributed more and more unevenly. Extensive number-crunching from the study mentioned above has resulted in the conclusion that the top 2.6% of men get 29% of all sex, the top 5.5% of men get 40% of all sex, and the top 28% of men gets a staggering 78% of sex. The other 22% of sex is distributed among the thirsty masses of the remaining 72% betas.

Also, the percentages of sex that these top groups of men get are constantly increasing; 10 years ago, the same study found the top 2.6% got 25% of sex, not 29%. 30 years ago (no data though, just speculating), it might have been as low as 15%, with all other percentages proportionally lower too. Inequality is skyrocketing.

Results: the average guy (i.e. not a guy with fame, amazing game and/or model looks) is finding it harder than ever to get laid, whereas guys with one or more of those have it easier than ever. The overall quality of women has gone down as well, but the top guys are not feeling it that much because they can still cherry-pick the best ones; again it's the average man that gets squeezed badly.

Nice numbers - you've got links to that study?

But yeah - more and more life at the top will look like this:
   

While the rest will be feeling like this to the other sex:
   

After she is 33 he will suddenly become somewhat visible again, albeit the passion runs only this deep: (don't expect a happy ending)
   

Post: #30

(06-06-2014 02:15 AM)Biologist Wrote:  I disagree with the OP's post.

Recent data has shown that, at least in my home country (Australia), young people are having less sex than they were 10 years ago.

You could even look at the proliferation of the "herbivore" movement in Japan in recent years.

What's actually happening is that in developed nations (US, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, Korea etc), as women are now no longer financially dependent on men, they are free to pursue only the top 5 - 10% of men in society. It's these top men who now have got the luxury of engaging in extensive amounts of casual sex.

This is why game is needed - to balance out the playing field.

That is what I observed too. And that is why I am not particularly fond of that Game-is-a-zero-sum-statement, since I know chicks who wait for 3 months for the Alpha cock who has been fucking her whenever he is in town. Any man with tight game could have had her.

Maybe it is a bit different in some parts of the US, where girls already behave like slutty Tinderellas and get all the cock they want. In most parts of the world the girls simply go long without the right kind of D. More Alpha men with Game needed.

Post: #31

@Zel: These are Basil's posts: 1 and 2

They link to a comment at Dalrock's, which in turn link to the original study. I have it saved somewhere on my computer too.

Post: #32

(06-06-2014 02:05 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  As a result of this, the game I learned and used to get solid results several years ago (what I call the "confident nice guy") has stopped working almost completely and I had to transition into darker areas like "asshole game". The sad fact is that, while game is absolutely mandatory for any guy that doesn't want to be slaughtered in today's sexual marketplace and thus the only rational choice is to learn it, the level of game required is increasing so rapidly that it might be completely out of reach for many men.

You should write a post on just this.

Post: #33

(06-06-2014 03:31 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  But yeah - more and more life at the top will look like this:

What the difference between a multi-millionaire throwing money around and just buying a bunch of high end hookers?

Post: #34

(06-06-2014 04:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 03:31 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  But yeah - more and more life at the top will look like this:

What the difference between a multi-millionaire throwing money around and just buying a bunch of high end hookers?

The hamster

If the guy gets with a girl because of his status or game she will justify it to her hamster that it's her own volition and submit willingly and happily and will be able to feed guys ego on this conquest

If she knows she's a hooker there is no ability to exchange that energy

Post: #35

(06-06-2014 04:13 AM)calihunter Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 04:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(06-06-2014 03:31 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  But yeah - more and more life at the top will look like this:

What the difference between a multi-millionaire throwing money around and just buying a bunch of high end hookers?

The hamster

If the guy gets with a girl because of his status or game she will justify it to her hamster that it's her own volition and submit willingly and happily and will be able to feed guys ego on this conquest

If she knows she's a hooker there is no ability to exchange that energy

Exactly!

I've seen plenty of rich dudes in upscale hotels around the world sometimes going with 3-5 escorts to the hotel bars. It was always a pathetic show - most often the women were bored or were making fun of the guy between themselves, while he tried to emulate a Dan Bilzerian kind of lifestyle. Don't be that guy!

You will feel better banging a slim 5 who is really into you than 5 HB9s who you have to pay.

And situational Alphas are different, because the woman is actually attracted to you - being the boss, the owner, the lifeguard, the bartender, the politician, the semi-famous blogger - hamsters are such simple creatures!

Post: #36

Being a PUA is frankly, just a bit sad.

Being a real man, the best man you can possibly be, however, is a glorious thing.


Everyone needs to remember the bell curve here as well; for every improvement one makes beyond being average, the competition shrinks fast.

Post: #37

Sometimes I forget how far behind most of the population is, because I focus my attention on guys I can learn from.

I consider myself to have intermediate level game - with pro-instructors to be the highest end. It's easy to forget that most men don't even know basic game - don't supplicate, act from your own intentions, escalate, touch her early on in the conversation, etc.

We're really moving towards a sexual marketplace that has the same kind of wealth inequality as the financial one, which really isn't good for anyone.

Post: #38

(06-06-2014 01:20 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  This is true. I have dealt with depression for years. What I can recommend that works for me is regular aerobic exercise and a high dosage (3000mg) per day of Saw Palmetto supplement.

For depression, I recommend a blowjob every morning from a beautiful 18 year old with a pleasant demeanor, followed by some late night sex with that same girl. She should be exclusive to you, and you should be her first sexual partner, if possible.

Works wonders.

Doctor's Orders

Post: #39

lol, I'll take one - virgin not required

Post: #40

(06-06-2014 06:22 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Being a PUA is frankly, just a bit sad.

Being a real man, the best man you can possibly be, however, is a glorious thing.


Everyone needs to remember the bell curve here as well; for every improvement one makes beyond being average, the competition shrinks fast.

I've been called a PUA. I usually respond that "I'm not a PUA, I'm an attractive man." There's a big difference.

By learning and implementing BASIC game, and I'm really only talking about body language and inner game, you're already ahead of 85% of the population. Once you start applying outer game, you're ahead of 90% of the population.

Most men are brainwashed by Disney and all those other shitty romance movies into believing that they need to chase women. That's the underlying cause of all this thirst. They believe that if they "just be themselves," then they'll find an attractive woman. It doesn't work that way.

Post: #41

@Zelscorpion

Feel better banging a slim 5 that you gamed better than 5 paid 9s?

I don't care how anti P4P you are that is the male hamster and ego gone wild denying nature itself.

Rather be the rich man in that case.

Post: #42

Outside of the US, there is not much difference between banging a good hooker and a regular girl. In Brazil, guys go to whore houses the same way guys here go to strip clubs and most of these guys will have wives and girlfriends. American women sell themselves every which way but directly - only because it's illegal.

Post: #43

(06-06-2014 02:05 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  The overall supply of sex offered by women is slightly down because of several factors, the most important of which is the possibility of fulfilling sexual needs through attention whoring.

Extensive number-crunching from the study mentioned above has resulted in the conclusion that the top 2.6% of men get 29% of all sex, the top 5.5% of men get 40% of all sex, and the top 28% of men gets a staggering 78% of sex. The other 22% of sex is distributed among the thirsty masses of the remaining 72% betas.

Inequality is skyrocketing.

The sad fact is that, while game is absolutely mandatory for any guy that doesn't want to be slaughtered in today's sexual marketplace and thus the only rational choice is to learn it, the level of game required is increasing so rapidly that it might be completely out of reach for many men.

Post: #44

(06-06-2014 11:12 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  @Zelscorpion

Feel better banging a slim 5 that you gamed better than 5 paid 9s?

I don't care how anti P4P you are that is the male hamster and ego gone wild denying nature itself.

Rather be the rich man in that case.

Maybe I overstated a bit - 5 HB9s will cost you a fortune. Haven't seen those guys. The girls were most like young 5-7s and that is usually not worth much.

Of course you can have sometimes a fashion model for 2000$ an hour or a porn star or a fresh 18-year-old (with you being one of the first 10 clients). But those experiences are rare and different. I usually enjoy talking with some of the high-level girls you meet at some hotels - those are different, but you need more Game than with Strippers to be someone else than a John to them. The poorer the country, the easier is also the art of shoring (doing a professional girl for free).

Either way - to each his own. I've even dated Escorts, but usually it is not worth the effort, since most of them are so quickly fucked up mentally, that you need to have either a very strong attraction from the onset or very tight Game (and you must never pay for sex or you are a John to 99,9% to them instantly). Unless of course you meet a fresh one who still enjoys sex with their clients - best coming from dirt-poor family. For her getting fucked by an older guy in a 5-star-hotel is a great adventure. That phase however is over quickly.

Post: #45

(06-05-2014 08:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Society isn't as promiscuous as you think. The average person has less than ten sex partners in their life. This is pretty well researched. There was a recent thread which I can't recall ATM that showed that young people in recent years are having LESS sex.

What was generally concluded is thst social media validation is giving women the attention they once had to get from males. Which means it taker that much more effort to to get them out without flaking. The top guys are pulling like never before. The bottom and average guys are working harder than ever for lower quality.

What we forget is women have the leverage before sex, and men gain the leverage after sex. A decent looking girl can use her body to tease a man into getting what she wants. Once a girl gives up her body to a man then she loses the majority of her leverage.

How can girls get what they want without having to go the route of using their bodies as leverage? Social media. Girls don't have to date guys to hear how cute they are anymore. All they have to do is upload a selfie on instagram. Social media is providing a constant stream of validation to women that they would previously have obtained through men whom are actively pursuing a physical relationship with them.

Why would a girl want to sit on some random guy (that will probably nut in a minute) for validation when all they have to do is log on to Facebook?

Post: #46

(06-06-2014 02:05 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  The overall supply of sex offered by women is slightly down because of several factors, the most important of which is the possibility of fulfilling sexual needs through attention whoring (i.e. rampant sluttiness that doesn't eventually result in penetration).

At the same time, because women are getting more and more hypergamous (because of being more and more insulated from the consequences of their choices), this dwindling supply of sex is being distributed more and more unevenly. Extensive number-crunching from the study mentioned above has resulted in the conclusion that the top 2.6% of men get 29% of all sex, the top 5.5% of men get 40% of all sex, and the top 28% of men gets a staggering 78% of sex. The other 22% of sex is distributed among the thirsty masses of the remaining 72% betas.

Also, the percentages of sex that these top groups of men get are constantly increasing; 10 years ago, the same study found the top 2.6% got 25% of sex, not 29%. 30 years ago (no data though, just speculating), it might have been as low as 15%, with all other percentages proportionally lower too. Inequality is skyrocketing.

Results: the average guy (i.e. not a guy with fame, amazing game and/or model looks) is finding it harder than ever to get laid, whereas guys with one or more of those have it easier than ever. The overall quality of women has gone down as well, but the top guys are not feeling it that much because they can still cherry-pick the best ones; again it's the average man that gets squeezed badly.

As a result of this, the game I learned and used to get solid results several years ago (what I call the "confident nice guy") has stopped working almost completely and I had to transition into darker areas like "asshole game". The sad fact is that, while game is absolutely mandatory for any guy that doesn't want to be slaughtered in today's sexual marketplace and thus the only rational choice is to learn it, the level of game required is increasing so rapidly that it might be completely out of reach for many men.

It's a shame to hear that these same trends are happening in Croatia. I had the perhaps mistaken impression that the Slavic countries weren't going through this sea change.

It's good to have the numeric breakdown of what's happening. And props to Basilransom for crunching those numbers. We all had a feeling that this is what was happening, but now we've got the statistical evidence to back it up. This information really needs to get into the mainstream eye. Because a lot of people think like the OP. That EVERYONE is having sex. That college is a big fuckfest and the average person these days has dozen upon dozens of sex partners before settling down.

I'm sure a thorough and comprehensive sex survey would reveal that the number of men with 100+ partners is going up while the number of incels is also going up.

(06-06-2014 12:56 PM)ddjembe mutombo Wrote:  What we forget is women have the leverage before sex, and men gain the leverage after sex. A decent looking girl can use her body to tease a man into getting what she wants. Once a girl gives up her body to a man then she loses the majority of her leverage.

How can girls get what they want without having to go the route of using their bodies as leverage? Social media. Girls don't have to date guys to hear how cute they are anymore. All they have to do is upload a selfie on instagram. Social media is providing a constant stream of validation to women that they would previously have obtained through men whom are actively pursuing a physical relationship with them.

Why would a girl want to sit on some random guy (that will probably nut in a minute) for validation when all they have to do is log on to Facebook?

Okay, well this is what we have to do as guys. We need to stop hitting "like" on girl's FB photos. Stop telling them they are hot(I'm speaking guys collectively, not anyone here in particular). Ignore their Instagram accounts. I think we need to get the word out and men have to come to a consensus to stop giving women attention online. You can add them to your social network, but then ignore their updates unless they post something truly interesting. We all know who the attention whores are on FB, they are the ones with endless stream of selfies. Ignore them. Next time a photo pops of her on girls night out taking selfies at the club, don't comment, don't hit the like button.

Post: #47

(06-06-2014 03:31 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  But yeah - more and more life at the top will look like this:

Is that Roosh toward the top left?

Post: #48

Those who have been doing game for the last ten years, would you say that you've noticed a big difference, in how to deal with women ?

Post: #49

Yes, the level of game required and the total effort is increasing rapidly. Also as women become more masculine the level of dominance required to dominate them is getting out of control. Why do you think women today love 50 Shades of Grey: basically an S+M sex novel. It is already at the point where I don't think the average guy out there can meet these levels without devoting years of their lives to it.

Post: #50

(06-06-2014 03:22 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Yes, the level of game required and the total effort is increasing rapidly. Also as women become more masculine the level of dominance required to dominate them is getting out of control. Why do you think women today love 50 Shades of Grey: basically an S+M sex novel. It is already at the point where I don't think the average guy out there can meet these levels without devoting years of their lives to it.

Which is why all men should wear a latex suit, and carry a whip when they do approaches. Day or night.