If Eliot was a male Feminist, can it be argued that the 9/11 perps were also feminist?

I think that the culture they came from might be very similar in thought to Eliot Rodger.

There's a lot seen from the East of what we players in the West would call pedestalization. Women as sacred.

(05-30-2014 03:29 AM)Tengen Wrote:  Not sure if already posted, but Heartiste has put up a second analysis:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/05/...y-culture/

Most interesting part for me:

Quote: Elliot Rodger’s family has been part of a reality show the last seven years often recorded in his house. This is significant because his father on the show has always said he has “a” son, as in only one. In this video from the TV show it shows the father at the family table with the son from the second marriage, but not Elliot.

Elliot is shown in the show, for example when they met Sylvester Stallone (23:50), but Elliot is never acknowledged or speaks. Imagine a father that has a reality show in the house, keeps talking about “his son” and the “three of us” as in “Mother, Father, and son” as opposed to sons.

Elliot mentions the jealousy he has for the other brother. The fact his father says on TV, in the house Elliot lives in, that he has one son, might be enough to push someone over the edge.

In other words, complete family dysfunction.

That is crazy, if you go to 23:50 you can see Elliot in the back ground. The crazy part is if you see them shaking Stallone's hand, Elliot reaches out to shake his hand but the new wife is the target jumps in and Elliot is ignored and he awkwardly puts his hand down.

Very feminist beta. Jumping with excitement to meet a perceived alpha and then being shunned.

Just sad, you can tell he was raised in a very feminist society and it crushed his spirit.

Didn't realize I was clicking a Jezebel link until it was to late, but this article is fascinating. The author spends a day lurking in a chatroom for PUAhate refugees. Ignore the author's snarky commentary and check out the crazy shit these guys are talking about. Truly terrifying.

Article below:

Tuesday morning, I logged into a chat room full of refugees of the since shuttered PUAHate forum once frequented by University of California-Santa Barbara shooter Elliott Rodger. And I stayed there, silently watching them, for 8 hours. Here's what I learned.

PUAHate, as other outlets have discussed, is an offshoot of the Pick Up Artist community populated by men (and, allegedly, women) who believe Pick Up Artistry to be a sham waste of money not because women are more than "targets" and "prey," but because women are fucking hopeless cunts who can't be convinced to give nice guys a chance. Women, argue PUAHaters, will only go out with good looking alpha males and would never look twice at anyone who isn't a musclebound dreamboat with a six-figure income, and most men will never be those things, and so the world is against them and life is unfair. From an observer's perspective, PUAHate is a group of self-pitying babies who believe they're entitled to women who are much more attractive than they are.

The forum that the group is using as a stopgap between the original PUAHate forum where Elliot Rodger posted and whatever new forum will house them. Participants are able to participate by writing text or by joining in with audio or video. It looks like this:

Lessons From a Day Spent With the UCSB Shooter's Awful Friends
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Over the course of the day, the number of participants in the tinychat ranged from around 10 in the early morning to dozens in the mid-afternoon. And because of character limits on the chat software, the transcript of the day's chat is confusing. In order to make it less so, in the excerpts you'll see below, I've consolidated sentence fragments written by individuals in succession and added punctuation for clarity. Otherwise, the text is as-written.

8:20 AM

I enter the room and into the middle of a conversation that seems like it's about head circumference and jaw surgery. One of the forum members is convinced that if only he goes under the knife to fix his crossbite will any of those contemptible bitches choose to love him.

9:16 am

Members of the forum start giddily reflecting on Rodger's fame and begin encouraging each other to write manifestos. After one PUAhater shared an image of an average-looking woman and told the room that she gets to have as much sex as she wants, one man with an Australian accent and an obviously electronically modified-sounding voice, intoned,

Are you trying to inspire me to shoot up a super market? What are you trying to do? There's only one solution. I'm going to make a bomb. It's going to be a pretty good gig in Australia soon. Thanks ... for showing me the light.
One user, who was contributing via audio, suggested to the members that they should all begin drafting their own manifestos, explaining,

When you post a video on Youtube it doesn't matter what the police say you've got your version of events on youtube before they have their say.
The Australian, seemingly unaware of the other Englishman's audio, added,

I do believe I have the knowledge to kill 100 people. I believe I have the knowledge to kill the entire school. I know that's pretty pathetic, I think.

Go back to my old school, past assembly, 9:00. Chain every single door. Shoot everybody in the assembly hall.
No one responded. Meanwhile, in the text section of the forum,

[9:17 AM]: they say we shount be entitled, hen everyones sex is all on display. isn't that unfair. that they say we dont deserve it then they SHOW US WHAT THEY ARE DOING SEXUALLY. it is like they want this to happen day to day

[9:17 AM]: elliot is an hero
9:24 AM

The conversation is now on Elliot Rodger, the UCSB shooter, and whether or not he was justified in his rampage. What Elliot Rodger felt is stuff that all men secretly feel, the members agree.

I've removed their names because, honestly, fuck these guys and what they want. You'll understand more about why as the day goes on.

[9:24 AM]: 99% of men relate if they are honest

[9:24 AM]: yeah ive noticed the comment sections on this story people arent that vicious towards him. part of it is because he looked okay

[9:24 AM]: who wouldnt want to live in a socially constructed sexual utopia? imo people are waking up

[9:24 AM]: but the other part is men relate to hating women

[9:24 AM]: the socially constructionist view of reality is fundamentally flawed. guys who see this think... oooh wait...i get it now. his reaction was unique but the causes were no different. most men go through what he went through but most react differently. some die, some ignore society, some enslave themselves to society and wife
For a group of people engaged in an unending circle jerk over how hopeless and special and victimized they are, they sure seem to think their victimhood is universal.

9:27 am

This weekend, I made the enlightening mistake of participating in the #YesAllWomen hashtag. I call it a mistake because a depressing number of responses I got for my sub-140 character contribution to the conversation centered around the fact that ELLIOT RODGER DIDN'T HATE WOMEN HE WAS MENTALLY ILL AND BESIDES HE KILLED MORE MEN THAN WOMEN! which is an excuse that it seems gets made a lot whenever the guy (because it's almost always a guy) holding the gun (because it's almost always a gun) is white-looking rather than brown or black-looking. Mental illness. Not terrorism or misogyny or a metastacized perversion of mildly fucked up aspects of American masculinity culture that become massively fucked up aspects when they collide with mental illness or personality disorders. Rodger said he did it because he hates women.

So do the other forum participants.

[9:27 AM]: media doesnt aknolwedge the majroity of males' discontentment with current sexual distopia

[9:27 AM]: its all about HATING WOMEN
How many times do they have to tell us before we believe them?

9:28 AM

The forum members are alternately shaken and giddy over Rodger's fame. Most of them seem a little giddy that an "incel" — and "involuntarily celibate" man — went out in such a blaze of glory. Others will follow, promises one member.

[9:28 AM]: he would have had a boring incel life then died of cancer without reference to "this". without ever leaving a mark or a wikipeda and go on just like it had in the past.he is famous 4 ever now.

guys i bet you this will happen more times in 2014. others will do it. promise
9:37 AM

More self-aggrandizing manifesto talk.

[9:37 AM]: you NEED a manifesto or video or it's worthless

[9:37 AM]: this time there was major manifesto. old killers didnt do much in that regard. police censor and withhold killer motivations to avoidf public panic. its good that the reality is coming out to society in a very raw way
10:02 AM

Some forum members think the UCSB shooter was out of line. Others can totally see why he did it. After all, his sister was having sex.

[10:02 AM]: the most chilling part is eliots comments about his sister being fucked. too real. pussy envy. his lack of sex paled in comparison to wanting what others had paraded around.
Simply existing = "parading around."

10:05 AM

First reference to "going Elliot."

[10:05 AM]: if you are here after 31, consider going elliot. day 31 of may. thats the deadline

[10:05 AM]: guys. manifestos are currently being drafted by men out there

[10:06 AM]: if you are here in june, just off it

[10:06 AM]: dont think this is the the last. men realize they have nothing to lose

[10:07 AM]: i dont know why divorced men dont go on rampages

[10:07 AM]: that blonde was a total bitch but father claims she is a nice girl

[10:07 AM]: because older men get called old pervs, like george sodini

[10:07 AM]: *started a YouTube-video: Elvis Presley - It's Over..*
George Sodini is a cowardly fuck who, in 2009, killed 3 women and injured at least ten others when he opened fire on a gym in Pennsylvania.


Gunman Murders Gym-Going Women; Misogynists Approve
George Sodini killed three women and injured at least ten others at a Pittsburgh-area gym before…
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He was mentioned — with praise — seventeen times by the PUAHate participants during the time I lurked.

11:04 AM

For much of the day when they're not talking about writing manifestos or debating the "aspie"-ness of Elliot Rodger, they're rating pictures of women who they feel don't deserve the sexual attention they get or swapping pictures of what they refer to as their "oneitis," or the girls they have crushes on above all those other ugly bitches who don't deserve to be fucked.

[11:04 AM]: she doesnt weigh that much but shes only 5.3"

[11:04 AM]: women under 5'5 shouldnt be above 100. i fucked an escort who was 5'5 120 and i thought she was fat. i realized women withotu clothes are much uglier than with clothes

[11:04 AM]: yeah

[11:04 AM]: legit

[11:04 AM]: i see most women as some skinnyfat dude with a pussy. they are just subhumans acting liek they are the shit

[11:05 AM]: thats why cfnm porn is so legit

[11:05 AM]: lol
At one point, the ponder the merits of sleeping with "black chicks." Because they're "easy."

11:24 AM

The members of PUAHate start to Get Serious about whether or not it was okay that Elliot Rodger murdered those people.

[11:26 AM]: thats why one could argue that what he did was commendable

[11:26 AM]: No you cant argue that

[11:26 AM]: That's a ridiculous argument

[11:26 AM]: only an aspie would

[11:26 AM]: what he did didnt benefit him

[11:26 AM]: His suffering was voluntary to a degree. He did not suffer physically

[11:26 AM]: its not commendable lol, losing a daughter is worse than being incel wtf

[11:26 AM]: nobody wants to suffer. he didnt choose to suffer

[11:27 AM]: OBJECTIVELY WHO HAD A BETTER LIFE ELLIOT RODGER OR THE GIRLS HE KILLED. THE ANSWER IS THE GIRLS. SO WHY SHOULD SOCIETY NOT FEEL WORSE FOR ELLIOT

[11:27 AM]: There are many arguments but the best ones are that 1) His actions did not ease his suffering 2) His actions were not aimed at those that made hmi suffer

[11:27 AM]: if elliot had grown up as a good looking guy, he wouldnt have gone insane in the first place

[11:29 AM]: If he killed some girls who rejected him in a totally harsh way and made him feel miserable maybe I could begin to understand

[11:29 AM]: SORORITY GIRLS ARE NOT 'RANDOM' WHEN U JOIN A SORORITY U ENTER INTO OPPRESSION OF INCELS
12:04 PM

On virgins:

[12:04 PM]: never get emotionally attached to women who aren't virgins

[12:04 PM]: the thing is where do you meet virgins. if you're out of high school social circle, finding a fit virgin is impossible
12:24 PM

One forum poster posts a link to screencaps of some of Rodger's first posts to PUAHate, explaining that he thinks Rodger was trying to enlist forum members to join in his massacre.
Lessons From a Day Spent With the UCSB Shooter's Awful Friends

12:39 PM

The men discuss how to attain the affection of the girls of their dreams.

[12:39 PM]: i just want my oneitis to fucking gobble on my dick like the little slut she is

[12:39 PM]: rape her

[12:39 PM]: I know this guy who got rejected for not having a 90° gonial angle.

[12:39 PM]: rape is low inhibition, DOM and alpha. its the ultimate DOM move

[12:40 PM]: what's your rape count

[12:40 PM]: rape is pretty beta

[12:40 PM]: if ur havent raped someone by age 22, ur prob a truecel [celibate] for life

[12:40 PM]: not rape rape, but date rape

[12:40 PM]: Not DOM enough

[12:40 PM]: date rape is the behavior of masculine blacks, and very alpha

[12:41 PM]: who is gonna be the next elliot rodger on this chat? i nominate greg
12:42 PM

I am in a hotel in Washington, DC, and my boyfriend is taking a bath, reading. I barge in, demanding to know if all men are terrible, eyes blazing. He tries to calm me down, but I am upset.

I leave the bathroom in a huff.

1:00 PM

[1:00 PM]: why can't i fuck a virgin 16-18 year old. i am entitled to this or else i will go rodger

[1:00 PM]: yeah women peak before they becom elegal

[1:01 PM]: girls peak at 16-21. after 21 it's all downhill
1:21 PM

It's a strange feeling, being simultaneously afraid and annoyed and enraged. But that's how I felt for most of yesterday, because of frequent stretches like this:

[1:21 PM]: how many of you here ever thought about committing mass murder?

[1:21 PM]: yeah. just dont have access to guns in the uk. even the police just carry batons

[1:22 PM]: if i tried pulling off a massacre, my kill count would be lower than elliots
2:37 PM

The gang discusses rejection by sluts, and how sleeping with one man means that women should be sexually available to all men. It's only fair.

[2:37 PM]: rejection makes me angry cause this girls a slut for other guys

[2:37 PM]: just play it off like u dont care

[2:37 PM]: rejection use to make me angry to but i got over it

[2:38 PM]: if insults make you angry, you're narcissistic and insecure and yes you can be both
3:27 PM

The boys reminisce fondly about George Sodini.

[3:27 PM]: remember goerge sodini? what if elliot met george sodini

[3:27 PM]: the great sodini
Throughout the day, PUAHate refugees — and I hesitate to call them that, because a sense of alienation that conflicts with their respective realities is central to their identity and by agreeing that they're outcasts, I'm somehow reinforcing their insistent victimhood mentality, but fuck it; I'm tired — referred admiringly to mass killers and rapists with the sort of admiration that functional members of society reserve for professional athletes or pop stars. Sodini, Lanza, the Boston marathon bombers, Richard Ramirez. They constantly contradict themselves. On one hand, no one understands them and they are social outcasts. On the other, mass shootings are just the story, told over and over again, of One Brave Man who dares do what every other man is thinking but dares not try. They obsessively swapped numbers that were made up and didn't matter — Height, "lay ratios," rating scales for other humans, skull circumference measurements, millimeters of chin recession, neck circumference, number of women slept with, number of virgins slept with, angle at which the erect penis meets the groin. I was actually surprised that it took until 1:49 PM before they started comparing dick length and girth.

It sort of boggles my mind, at this point, that most women go through life simply hoping to have control over their own bodies, and that these fuckers feel entitled to not only themselves, but to other people. To an audience. To a platform. They exist, therefore we must all pay attention to them, like screaming infants.

But despite the fact that many of the PUAHate forum participants could probably benefit from some therapy, Elliot Rodger and company aren't the mentally ill outliers that the media (and the NRA) depicts them as. They're much more common than we want them to be. They're capable of being functional members of society — hell, Elliot Rodger was able to talk his way out of a property search that would have thwarted his mass murder plans before they even began to play out. Part of being a woman is the slow realization that some men, for no discernible reason, are always going to hate you. And you have no way of knowing who they are until they open their mouths, or open fire. Or sit as a fly on a wall in a chat room, invisible, female, and hated.

(05-30-2014 12:24 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 04:30 AM)Laser Wrote:  I am in a hotel in Washington, DC, and my boyfriend is taking a bath, reading. I barge in, demanding to know if all men are terrible, eyes blazing. He tries to calm me down, but I am upset.

I leave the bathroom in a huff.

There are evil, sick people in this world. I accept that, as I'm an adult.

This woman wants to get sympathy by showing her childish shock that there are sad, stupid and sick people out there in weird chat rooms. Grow up.

(05-30-2014 04:30 AM)Laser Wrote:  Didn't realize I was clicking a Jezebel link until it was to late, but this article is fascinating. The author spends a day lurking in a chatroom for PUAhate refugees. Ignore the author's snarky commentary and check out the crazy shit these guys are talking about. Truly terrifying.

Article below:

Laser, regarding your post, I didn't quote the actual article because I don't think you should be posting this kind of stuff on the forum. It's equivalent to the "little dog with explosive diarrhea" analogy. This kind of garbage doesn't deserve to be read, much less on this forum.

Even a comment condemning this garbage could be twisted against us in some form. So if you happened to consume this filth in your internet wanderings, it's best not to regurgitate it here, for many reasons, which I won't go into, to refrain from feeding the trolls.

That's my thoughts on that. No offense, man.

Quote:[9:17 AM]: elliot is an hero

Most know this, but the phrase 'an hero' is 4chan's sarcastic term for someone pathetic who commits suicide in a memorable fashion.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/se...clnk&gl=us

A couple more videos from the Isla Vista Memorial Paddle Out:









Looks like some 3,000 people were in the water. Must have looked impressive.

(05-30-2014 01:03 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Reconsidering that white girl above, WYB? Somebody call Tuthmosis - is she is a SIF?





It's clear she's dumb as hell and just spits out whatever shit she finds on a Progressive101 site.

Laci Green is a fat, disgusting, brainless attention-whore trying to profit off the murder by amping up page views on her ignorant YouTube videos.

Fuck her and fuck anyone who posts her videos and pics and forces me to see her bloated-pig face.

As much as we complain about Jezebel, she makes them look good by comparison. Jezebel at least attempts to bring some intellectual ideas to the table (wrong as they often are) and doesn't resort to moronic video gimmicks totally inappropriate when a murder occurs. Also, Jezebel writes about this stuff as a matter of course; she just latches onto whatever meme is going around and uses it to further her popularity.

If someone like Miley or Iggy Azelia couldn't sing, they'd be this attention-whore. YouTube has become the new performance art: a place where people with no talents in the arts or literature can go but still get attention.

And on top of all that, she's dead wrong: mentally ill people are responsible for those killings. Many were on meds. More were delusional. That's why we call them mentally ill. If they were sane, they'd be playing soccer or four-wheeling or doing something normal instead.

Addendum: The people trying to claim mental illness has little to do with mass murder are the new incarnation of the people in the '80s who were saying "Anyone can get AIDS." Guess what happened? Most people DID NOT get AIDS. It is still confined to the gay community and IV drug users more than 90 percent of the time.

Similarly, sane people do not go on mass murder sprees. Virtually all the ones that do were on meds or should have been. The reason they are all men is because men suffer more from mental illness. So should we study that and fund it? Not a chance! Easier to talking about imaginary concepts like "entitlement."

Found this on my newsfeed.



I don't know what's more saddening -- the fact that shite like this gets written and swallowed or the fact that it was shared by a friend I really respected.

Is it just me or is it, frankly, downright disrespectful towards the victims for their massacre to be hijacked as a vehicle to hawk pity agendas like these?

The best part of it is; they're not waffling on loud enough from their soapboxes -- 85% of their gender are too busy Instagramming this morning's brunch, Snapchatting their new fuckbuddy's cock or playing Candy Crush.

I am entitled to sex. That's why I get plenty of it. If she doesn't want sex, I make her want it.

I was gonna make a thread about this, but Heartiste beat me to it:

Quote:- Finally, the scariest realization for feminists: Sexually entitled men are more attractive to women! If you don’t feel entitled to a woman’s love, she won’t think you’re worth her love.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/05/...y-culture/

I have been extremely forceful with many women to get sex - none of them have ever complained or filed a rape charge against me. Nothing but cuddles and coos after sex.

(05-30-2014 01:03 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  Reconsidering that white girl above, WYB? Somebody call Tuthmosis - is she is a SIF?





It's clear she's dumb as hell and just spits out whatever shit she finds on a Progressive101 site.

This Laci broad has been posted here before spewing her mouth. She for sure looks like she has porked up but my view is she is a socially awkward woman whom is the product of a lifelong Femenist household. If you google her pictures she used to be hot, she likely *is* hot low key by she has no ability to work into her advantage and has no idea how to be feminine and attractive.

She looks like a shitty lay, and I suspect a huge muffin top she is hiding. WNB.

Three youtube videos from manosphere friendly blogger ramzpaul on Elliot Rodger

Elliot Rodger - the new american male
http://youtu.be/-viMLaobEco

On his obsession with blond girls:
http://youtu.be/Ce1AcFdksig

On his love of The Young Turks
http://youtu.be/hickiB7GoRg

The ending of the third video is AMAZING.

(05-30-2014 08:35 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  Three youtube videos from manosphere friendly blogger ramzpaul on Elliot Rodger

Elliot Rodger - the new american male
http://youtu.be/-viMLaobEco

On his obsession with blond girls:
http://youtu.be/Ce1AcFdksig

On his love of The Young Turks
http://youtu.be/hickiB7GoRg

The ending of the third video is AMAZING.

That third video....that was one of the best turns of the table I have seen. Its like the 'usual suspects' of youtube videos.

More linkage.

According the the Daily Banter, Roosh's article was the worst response made to the shooting.
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/05/6-wors...mpage-far/

This journalist student just linked me in a post on bad response to Elliot:
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/05/6-wors...mpage-far/

When I first got into game I saw that pua hate forum and I thought it was supposed to be pointing out frauds in the scene. That seemed like a useful thing- to point out the game frauds.

Truth is there is no need for a puahate type website that does that. The market would correct any fraud stuff.

Now we find that it harbored guys like Elliot.

I can't find the regular thread for it, but I just realized that monday is the 1st....Roosh and Tuth are going to be extra busy this month!

A recent article claims Elliot had a second youtube channel and that he defended Nickleback in one of his posts.

I think we've found a scapegoat men and women of every ideological background can gang up on.

(05-30-2014 10:10 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  More linkage.

According the the Daily Banter, Roosh's article was the worst response made to the shooting.
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/05/6-wors...mpage-far/

Notice the moron rebuts passages from the others on the list. When presented with facts and a rational argument (Roosh), his response;

Seriously, somebody punch this asshole in the mouth.

Pathetic

It is easy to judge Elliot Rodger if you're not in his shoes. But I have been in Omega Hell, now in Beta Purgatory and trying to make it to Alpha Heaven. I mean the guy had ten years worth of blue balls. I did two years celibacy in Omega Hell. I hated players and hot chicks for all the rejection. Game sort of opened up my eyes to what was really going on and got me on the right path. But more importantly, hanging out with alphas got me out Omega Hell and practising, with the help of alcohol. So I understand Elliot Rodger but I don't excuse his misbehaviour. He practised passive game and like everything in his life he expected hot pussy to fall in his lap. His inactons had consequences.

New CA law requires written consent for college students to have sex.

LOL!!

Quote:SB967 requires colleges that receive state-funded student aid, including the University of California, California State University and community college systems, to tackle campus campus sexual violence.
Their policies must include an affirmative consent standard, which is defined as “an affirmative, unambiguous and conscious decision” by each party to engage in sexual activity. It also requires consent to be ongoing throughout a sexual activity.

(05-30-2014 01:46 PM)Dusty Wrote:  New CA law requires written consent for college students to have sex.

LOL!!

Quote:SB967 requires colleges that receive state-funded student aid, including the University of California, California State University and community college systems, to tackle campus campus sexual violence.
Their policies must include an affirmative consent standard, which is defined as “an affirmative, unambiguous and conscious decision” by each party to engage in sexual activity. It also requires consent to be ongoing throughout a sexual activity.

(05-30-2014 01:46 PM)Dusty Wrote:  New CA law requires written consent for college students to have sex.

LOL!!

Quote:SB967 requires colleges that receive state-funded student aid, including the University of California, California State University and community college systems, to tackle campus campus sexual violence.
Their policies must include an affirmative consent standard, which is defined as “an affirmative, unambiguous and conscious decision” by each party to engage in sexual activity. It also requires consent to be ongoing throughout a sexual activity.

The new LMR technique would be you chasing her around with a sex contract and a pen.

(05-30-2014 08:20 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  Found this on my newsfeed.



I don't know what's more saddening -- the fact that shite like this gets written and swallowed or the fact that it was shared by a friend I really respected.

Is it just me or is it, frankly, downright disrespectful towards the victims for their massacre to be hijacked as a vehicle to hawk pity agendas like these?

The best part of it is; they're not waffling on loud enough from their soapboxes -- 85% of their gender are too busy Instagramming this morning's brunch, Snapchatting their new fuckbuddy's cock or playing Candy Crush.

Does anyone know what the real numbers are? I don't believe that 1 in 6 women are getting raped.

Girls would just claim distress or too drunk to consent, even written consent. And the status quo remains.