Post: #226

Repo, you seem not to have understood my point (again). Logical fallacies? Logic and argument are the bread and butter of my career. You're the one setting up straw men, and then doing a shitty job of tearing them down.

Come back when your laces are tied.

[Edit: You may have misunderstood me even worse than I at first realized. I didn't mean that pilots must make corrections to stay on course, I meant they must actively choose NEW compass headings, based on their latitude, in order to fly a straight line, each heading having been planned out in the pre-flight navigational computations. If would shock me profoundly to learn that "everybody knows that", especially considering how few people can find countries on a map.]

Post: #227

there are some big questions in life:

- what is the nature/essence of god?

- how can light be a wave and a particle at the same time?

- what did the fox say?

arguing for a flat terra given all the knowledge accumulated in the past few centuries is - well - [redacted].

Post: #228

Well let us know when you disprove gravity or make some other kind of scientific discovery which disproves a round earth, since pilots needing to make adjustments and lack of a 24 hour feed don't actually have any relevance as neither proves or disproves anything.

Post: #229

Either way horus that doesnr detract from round earth nor support flat earth more than cube earth or hectagon earth.

*edit*

You bring up a point abour pilots needing to make adjustments, which nobody here denied and which doesnt go against anything anyone said. You then stated that many people dont know that but mock the other side anyway, and said that people who mock lose credibility, thereby claiming that round earthers lose credibility. You seriously dont see how twisted and faulty this logic is? By your logic Roosh must have no credibility with all the mocking he does of SJWs.

But wait, its almost like choosing to mock someone actually has no relevance on if their right or not, its just something anyone can do if they choose to.

Post: #230

(03-23-2017 03:52 PM)Hoser Wrote:  This proves neither a flat nor a ball Earth, because it's compatible with both, but it does prove that some things that are "obvious" to uneducated mockers are in fact incorrect. Both sides of the FE debate are guilty of doing this, but only one side feels the need to mock the other, with open derision, all day long. That side loses credibility accordingly.

Put it this way: when you see a humble underdog giving a solid effort in an uphill battle to take down an arrogant bullying Goliath of an opponent, do you boo the underdog and laugh at every blow he makes (and takes)? If so, you belong on World Star Hip-Hop, not in the Deep forum.

Merc is the victim here, not the truth warrior, and furthermore, he is hurting his rep, and ultimately doing a lot of damage to the Truth cause that he is trying to stand up for. He's not the victim of message board bullying, the real bullying here is being done by those who are pushing destructive falsehoods, falsehoods to which people who lack a basic scientific foundation are vulnerable.

I've been real supportive through the first 200 posts of this thread, going out of my way to explain how he's being played by the FE shills, the same way one would towards a friend who is in a cult or in a horrible dead-end relationship. And sometimes in this situation when reasoning over and over again fails, you have to try to shake a guy out of his stupor, and frustration takes over... so no harm meant Merc, and sorry for the harsh tone.

(03-23-2017 04:13 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 01:34 PM)911 Wrote:  Merc, what kind of education have you had bro? ...

*snip*

911, we are both established members on RVF, and there have been other threads where we have had a lot of common ground and shared the same ideas on various topics. I actually think if we met in real life we would agree on a lot more than you might imagine.

I appreciate your contributions in this thread and have never put into question that what you write is important for a real discussion of the issues we examining here. However, it's a real shame you always have to revert back to personal insults, concern trolling, and veiled attacks towards me just because I am sceptical of the mainstream scientific view on this particular topic. In the JFK assassination thread you seemed to not take a good view towards other members who deviated interesting conversations with personal attacks, so I'm surprised to see you doing it yourself here in this thread more than once.

I really wish the discussion regarding this issue can move past this shaming tactic which is the way both leftists and females attack people whose viewpoints they don't agree with. I don't think you are either of those things, so lets keep the dialogue more civil please. Thanks.

Post: #231

911, thanks for the reasoned and well-moderated response.

All: keep the spirit willing, but recognize that the flesh is weak.

Repo: read up on the expression "pearls before swine" [spoiler: you're not the pearl].

Post: #232

(03-23-2017 07:45 PM)Repo Wrote:  Well let us know when you disprove gravity or make some other kind of scientific discovery which disproves a round earth, since pilots needing to make adjustments and lack of a 24 hour feed don't actually have any relevance as neither proves or disproves anything.

That's the deal Repo, it's not about David making a stand for truth against the establishment. If you don't have any notion of physics, maths or science, you can't expect to deny the most basic laws of gravity, and talk of "ball earth" as if this was some kind of debatable theory, and be taken seriously.


We've looked at the FE psyop's mechanics and goals in previous pages, it's interesting to look at its philosophy, which I think is very much in the mold of weaponized anthropology, a concept developed by Joe Atwill in the context of the 1960s counterculture, which he shows to be a psyop meant to degrade culture and socially engineer the whole Baby Boomer generation.

A superior class can enslave an inferior people by making their culture revert to a backwards society. The hippy culture eschewed technology and went backwards, dressing up like Indians or in primitive outfits. They rejected the logos and wisdom carried over from ancient Greece through centuries of western civilization in favor of shamanistic, drug-laced, pseudo-eastern religions.

Flat Earth is very much along the same lines, it has that archaic old world pre-Renaissance ethos to it, taking an archaic literal interpretation of the scriptures instead of applying the theological logos that brilliant scientists like Galileo or Kepler have used to push the frontiers of science and build the foundations of the modern world.

Here's a good intro to Joe Atwill's work, very powerful insights into how culture went pear-shaped with our parents' generation:

Post: #233

In the US legal system, we have three standards of proof required to win various types of cases:

- Preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not, at least 51% to 49%)
- Clear and convincing evidence (seems highly likely, would be surprising to learn that the other side is right)
- Beyond a reasonable doubt (no objective raised by the other side is supported by reason)

Ball Earth easily meets the Clear & Convincing standard, but seems to need a little bit of a push to cross the threshold into Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. Flat-earthers have doubts, and there are reasons for some of those doubts.

Am I ready to dismiss the case at this point? Sure, unless further evidence surfaces. But I'm not willing to sentence FE to death quite yet.

Post: #234

^US legal system cares NOT about the truth. it's adversarial from the start and is all about rhetoric/advocacy/winning.

maybe it is being immersed in such a perverse system for so long that clouds your outlook to the point of not seeing things right in front your nose.

Post: #235

Propose something better and explain its advantage?

PS: the "US legal system" is the same as used throughout the entire British Commonwealth, with exceptions made for each counry's constitution or similar bedrock document.

Post: #236

(03-23-2017 09:59 PM)Hoser Wrote:  Propose something better and explain its advantage?

PS: the "US legal system" is the same as used throughout the entire British Commonwealth, with exceptions made for each counry's constitution or similar bedrock document.

watch [me] and learn, watch [me] and learn :-)

Post: #237

@Hoser,

on a slightly more serious note, before you can find our *own* BETTER way, you have to drop the bullshit game of lawyering that you, unfortunately, became so habituated to - this thread being a prime example.

Post: #238

(03-23-2017 07:13 PM)Hoser Wrote:  Repo, you seem not to have understood my point (again). Logical fallacies? Logic and argument are the bread and butter of my career. You're the one setting up straw men, and then doing a shitty job of tearing them down.

Come back when your laces are tied.

[Edit: You may have misunderstood me even worse than I at first realized. I didn't mean that pilots must make corrections to stay on course, I meant they must actively choose NEW compass headings, based on their latitude, in order to fly a straight line, each heading having been planned out in the pre-flight navigational computations. If would shock me profoundly to learn that "everybody knows that", especially considering how few people can find countries on a map.]

I suggest a new career.

Post: #239

(03-23-2017 09:52 PM)Hoser Wrote:  In the US legal system, we have three standards of proof required to win various types of cases:

- Preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not, at least 51% to 49%)
- Clear and convincing evidence (seems highly likely, would be surprising to learn that the other side is right)
- Beyond a reasonable doubt (no objective raised by the other side is supported by reason)

Ball Earth easily meets the Clear & Convincing standard, but seems to need a little bit of a push to cross the threshold into Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. Flat-earthers have doubts, and there are reasons for some of those doubts.

Am I ready to dismiss the case at this point? Sure, unless further evidence surfaces. But I'm not willing to sentence FE to death quite yet.

The reasons for those doubts are their lack of reason. FE is a basic and complete denial of the laws of gravity, for starts. It is wrong well beyond any reasonable doubts.

Post: #240

(03-23-2017 03:52 PM)Hoser Wrote:  Did you know that flying in a straight line takes constant adjustments to your compass heading? It's one of the first things you learn in an air navigation course. Look up rhumb lines vs great circles.

This proves neither a flat nor a ball Earth, because it's compatible with both, but it does prove that some things that are "obvious" to uneducated mockers are in fact incorrect. Both sides of the FE debate are guilty of doing this, but only one side feels the need to mock the other, with open derision, all day long. That side loses credibility accordingly.

Put it this way: when you see a humble underdog giving a solid effort in an uphill battle to take down an arrogant bullying Goliath of an opponent, do you boo the underdog and laugh at every blow he makes (and takes)? If so, you belong on World Star Hip-Hop, not in the Deep forum.

Flat earth is to science what masturbating to porn is to game.

Here we have a person who has never flown a plane or taken any courses related telling us about navigation and what planes do. Wank on.

Post: #241

(03-24-2017 12:11 AM)911 Wrote:  The reasons for those doubts are their lack of reason. FE is a basic and complete denial of the laws of gravity, for starts. It is wrong well beyond any reasonable doubts.

remember, 911, when you stare into the abyss [of hoser's FE], the abyss stares BACK AT YOU!!!

:-)

Post: #242

QFT:

(03-23-2017 08:28 PM)911 Wrote:  Merc is the victim here, not the truth warrior, and furthermore, he is hurting his rep, and ultimately doing a lot of damage to the Truth cause that he is trying to stand up for. He's not the victim of message board bullying, the real bullying here is being done by those who are pushing destructive falsehoods, falsehoods to which people who lack a basic scientific foundation are vulnerable.

I've been real supportive through the first 200 posts of this thread, going out of my way to explain how he's being played by the FE shills, the same way one would towards a friend who is in a cult or in a horrible dead-end relationship. And sometimes in this situation when reasoning over and over again fails, you have to try to shake a guy out of his stupor[...]

Post: #243

OTR, I'm ex Air Force. I learned about Rhumb lines, etc in ground school. I was top cadet in Air Nav class. Nice try, though.

See above re: pearls & swine.

Post: #244

Hoser - five letters. Swine - five letters as well. Coincidence? I think NOT!

Post: #245

(03-24-2017 02:09 AM)Hoser Wrote:  OTR, I'm ex Air Force. I learned about Rhumb lines, etc in ground school. I was top cadet in Air Nav class. Nice try, though.

See above re: pearls & swine.

Oh wow they must have showed you the secret mofels of the flat disc earth in your class but made you sign not to disclose it.

Your time on the ground in the af must have been so cool. How was trash pickup duty?

Post: #246

(03-24-2017 12:18 AM)911: Wrote:  when reasoning over and over again fails, you have to try to shake a guy out of his stupor[...]

this is the main problem of on-line forums/communication. i LITERALLY picked up some guys off the ground [in a bear hug] and shook them for 10-20 seconds up in the air when the moment was right and the energy HAD to be moved. it was effective, though, admittedly - and to my huge disappointment - the changes didn't stick.

whatever.

but. with guys like hoser [who is not a "disciple of the false prophet" as merc is], the more you sink into logos, the more you illicit his defenses and as a result, the only way to win [with him] is not to play.

Post: #247

How depressing that even on RVF we still find men(?) so fragile of mind and ego that they go full SJW when someone with whom they disagree makes a point. Even when I come out and say that FE seems extremely unlikely, but that I want to be intellectually honest about the subject, that's not enough for these losers. Apparently I still remind them of how small their dicks are.

To 911, Merc, and the rest of you who've put in a good faith effort here (including the guy who mentioned refraction in detail): thank you.

Post: #248

(03-23-2017 08:28 PM)911 Wrote:  Merc is the victim here, not the truth warrior, and furthermore, he is hurting his rep, and ultimately doing a lot of damage to the Truth cause that he is trying to stand up for. He's not the victim of message board bullying, the real bullying here is being done by those who are pushing destructive falsehoods, falsehoods to which people who lack a basic scientific foundation are vulnerable.

I've been real supportive through the first 200 posts of this thread, going out of my way to explain how he's being played by the FE shills, the same way one would towards a friend who is in a cult or in a horrible dead-end relationship. And sometimes in this situation when reasoning over and over again fails, you have to try to shake a guy out of his stupor, and frustration takes over... so no harm meant Merc, and sorry for the harsh tone.

I notice despite your current rep of 19, not one single forum member has actually repped you for meeting them in person.
I wonder why.
Could it be your patronizing attitude ?

Post: #249

(03-24-2017 10:02 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  Could it be your patronizing attitude ?

you NEED to be PATROnized now - for your own good!

Post: #250

Well some pertinent questions were asked in this thread about conventional science/knowledge that is assailed by the FE society.
I don't recall the "earth might be flat" camp on this thread questioning the knowledge or intelligence of "globe earth believers", let alone descending into insulting the other side.
Come on, it's not that serious, and some posters haven't covered themselves in glory by being petty.

Quote:cawa: Wrote:

you NEED to be PATROnized now - for your own good!

Keep going newbie.