(11-22-2015 10:25 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 08:44 PM)Balkan Wrote:  I'm in the same boat. Getting 7-7.5 girls with a lot of effort and filtering (even this isn't that consistent). I'm pretty good looking and have very good pictures. I also hold the 8+ designation as sacred and funnily enough the two 8's I've banged in the last few years have both had Model Mayhem profiles.

Yep, modeling is the simplest litmus test because really good looking girls don't go through life without someone trying to get them into modeling. Its almost hand and hand. The best looking girl at my office has a model mayhem profile and 10k instagram followers. Its almost like guys who are really good athletes end up playing sports of some kind.

I know some guys throw out the "Oh I don't believe in the number system" card. I get the reasoning behind it but lets face it. Saying that is kind of like trying discussing strength training and when someone asks you how much you are actually lifting you throw out the "Oh I don't believe in the number system", its enough weight for me bro. Obviously thats a far fetched analogy since women's looks are more of an intangible thing but you need to get across some kind of measurement system. I know guys who bang lots of 2-4s and they kind of have that player mentality but ignorance is bliss because they are happy with fucking lots of below average girls. Thats fine but I don't want to discuss game with them since it's completely different beast(im not saying anyone here is doing that but im giving an example of people I know in real life). It's like discussing finance and jobs with someone working at Walmart. Sure they may be working plenty of hours but the pay is shit.


The only cities I can think of would be NYC and LA that could allow you access to high numbers of those girls. NYC easily being the best for the amount of women online. I've been to various US cities (Philly, DC, Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Denver..etc) but none of them are like NYC and LA.

For the record, I'm in LA.

There are some 8+ alternative/weird niche girls that never jump into the modeling circuit and aren't offered as often due to their non-conventional looks but the vast majority just can't deny the offers and I don't blame them.

I only use the number system on here as it's annoyingly futile in real life. Everyone I know inflates (minus one or two players that troll and rate their 8/10 girls as average). It seems like 6-7/10 has become the new average, whereas I took my 7/10 OKC latina out for a hike in the hills today and I caught 20+ dudes blatantly checking her out (the thirst is too real in socal). It's slubu's /10 designation that I've tried to stick to...

" 0: No Such Thing. Has a dick.

1: Hideously Unattractive. A monster. Disfigured or irretrievably mutilated. Has two heads, is missing an eye, etc.

2: Very Unattractive. Disproportionate, morbidly obese.

3: Unattractive. Ugly, fat, and/or old.

4: Almost Bangable. But definitely doesn’t pass the boner test. Still not good-looking.

5: Merely Bangable. Barely passes the boner test. You’d be pretty embarrassed to be seen with her.

6: Almost Cute. She might be cute if one or two things were different, but they’re not. You may not be super-embarrassed to be seen with her, but you certainly wouldn’t be proud, and you definitely wouldn’t willingly bring her around to anything.

7: Solidly Cute. Zero embarrassment, even some nascent pride in being seen with her. You could bring her to things without looking bad, or losing any of the luster on your game.

8: Hot-Cute. Would be straight-up proud to be seen with her or bring her to things. This is often the sweet spot for long-term relationship material.

9: Smoking Hot. This is a girl who can easily monetize her beauty. You’re going out of your way to be seen with her.

10: Perfection. A theoretical abstraction that only exists in the laboratory."

quoted from this ROK article

At the end of the day, ratings are going to be highly subjective but I try to stick to strict standards so others here have a realistic understanding of what they could expect to get through certain avenues. Haven't met anyone from RVF yet but I'm sure most guys here aren't frauding.

That scale is probably the best I've seen and I agree with it and reconfirms my own scale. I can definitely say I haven't crack the 8 barrier. 7 is far as I've gotten and maybe been on a couple dates with girls that could barely pass as an 8 but they were flakey as hell.

I just have a tough time even finding girls that good looking on a consistent enough basis. Especially ones that are not using some kind of modeling shot because that usually spells doom. Meaning a girl using a modeling shot on a online dating profile is basically like her putting out a dick beacon. You're going to have every guy on the site just bombard her with emails.

(11-22-2015 07:18 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 03:20 PM)Remington Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 10:56 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  1) Women on dating sites are unpredictable - you can have two, three magical dates only for them to disappear
2) Too many men competing for the same low-quality women, the women thus have ridiculously high standards
3) The women are, by and large, crazy and damaged
4) Those in their 30s are the worst. If they've never been married and have no kids there's a reason for that
5) Bang them as QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE
6) It's easy to sit in your bathrobe and message chicks, but the pool of available women is low-value
7) Asshole game works on the hottest
8) You'll bang 5s, 6s, and 7s at best

I disagree with this to an extent. Location plays a big part in the quality of girls you pull from the site. I have had plenty of dates with very attractive women from OKC. Just have to look hard enough and make sure your message catches their attention.

Are you pulling 8s and above on OKC on the regular? 7s are pretty much were i've been limited to on OKC which is still very attractive but I haven't been able to crack the super legit hot tier from online. Just for reference I consider all girls who are 9s to have done modeling and vast majority of 8s as well. A lot of them will have some kind of Model Mayhem profile.

I've gotten right below this level with girls online.

When I was still using OKC in the DC area, I was constantly getting messages from women who were very attractive. I would say they were between, 7-8.5. Did I go on dates with all of them, no. Did I have sex with all of them, hell no.

The dates I did go on I usually had an SNL or got the bang after the second date. If nothing happened after date 2, I would move on to the next prospect. My logistics were good and I was good at bouncing them to other bars where we could drink as much as we want and I won't spend any more than $15.

If I don't get the bang, I might re-engage them after a week or two to see where their interest lies, but it usually ends off at that. Think I may have pulled one or two girls after re-engaging. Very uncommon since they have so many options.

I ran into an interesting profile yesterday. She's a typical arrogant 18-year old, but this one actually put effort into creating a compilation of the worst messages she received from thirsty betas. The link is on her profile, along with "don't message me if you're like these creeps, disgusting". Gentlemen, prepare to cringe:

http://i.imgur.com/8hQPXg1.jpg

This image contains only messages from foreign guys. She also posted a compilation with messages from locals, but from the looks of it they're slightly less beta.

The manosphere has taught me that young girls get huge amounts of online attention from guys, but since I don't use Facebook or other social media I could never truly understand how things really are. In a way, this was eye-opening for me. Things like this could serve as good advisory for any man who intends to try online dating.

(11-24-2015 03:45 AM)Khan Wrote:  I ran into an interesting profile yesterday. She's a typical arrogant 18-year old, but this one actually put effort into creating a compilation of the worst messages she received from thirsty betas. The link is on her profile, along with "don't message me if you're like these creeps, disgusting". Gentlemen, prepare to cringe:

http://i.imgur.com/8hQPXg1.jpg

This image contains only messages from foreign guys. She also posted a compilation with messages from locals, but from the looks of it they're slightly less beta.

The manosphere has taught me that young girls get huge amounts of online attention from guys, but since I don't use Facebook or other social media I could never truly understand how things really are. In a way, this was eye-opening for me. Things like this could serve as good advisory for any man who intends to try online dating.

That's hilarious. I know exactly who you're talking about because I also messaged her. She never replied.

Haha you guys are funny. This girl clearly has no desire ever to meet with any guys who message her. The dude who told her that she is not that sexy and get over herself was the only real player out off all of them. Maybe that last dude, he definitely struck a nerve causing her to respond like she didn't care, but it's obvious she did.

-CD

(11-24-2015 07:23 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Haha you guys are funny. This girl clearly has no desire ever to meet with any guys who message her. The dude who told her that she is not that sexy and get over herself was the only real player out off all of them. Maybe that last dude, he definitely struck a nerve causing her to respond like she didn't care, but it's obvious she did.

-CD

Just for the record, I didn't message her. That would be a waste of time, as every part of her profile screams 'I'm an attention-whore'.

OKCupid, much like POF... SUCKS!!

You know how people always talk about the guy who's "Dating a girl half his age" ??? Well, I am regularly dating girls 1/3 of my age. And sites like this one get so many interests and messages from old, fat, country and western & Nascar watching fan losers. It's a waste of time.

Back when Yahoo had personals and I was living in the U.S. I used to KILL on there. I would message girls whose profile listed an age range that I was far older than and simply tell them that I am out of their age range, but interested, and young at heart and certainly able to keep up with them. Then I would simply ask "are you game?" and I got many replies saying "Yes, I'm game. Why not?"

And, you know, I think that because of the age gap that they were more willing to have a no-strings fling because they saw me as too old to have a serious relationship with. As Charlie says... "WINNING!"

Bring back Yahoo Personals.

Just sayin'

Actually relating to age^^ I wanted to take a quick poll about how guys are handling two age related questions on here

1. Does anyone shave off a few years in their profile? I just turned 35 now but could pass for 30 easy. I'm pretty sure it's not helping my game with younger females. At the same time I'm hesitant to change the age(I just hate the idea about lieing about my age) even though i've ran into women doing to a lot. I guess something to do with female coworkers being on the same site.

2. What do you guys have in the "I'm looking for section" for age? Does it matter at all to be selective? say 21-27? I'm probably overthinking this one but curious if anyone has thoughts on it.



Misc thought...this is why day/night game rules in these cases. I'm not walking around in real life with a fucking age badge.

I'm 29 years old, and I have 21-32 age range under "looking for". The real range I'll accept is actually 18-28, but I fear stretching it to 18 and putting it on my profile might seem a bit creepy.

I don't think anyone pays much attention to age ranges, really. Photos come first, and then what you wrote in your profile. Just make sure your age range is something socially accepted - I'd put 25-35 if I were you - and you're good to go. I think girls who like you won't even care if they're out of your stated range.

(11-25-2015 06:42 AM)Khan Wrote:  I'm 29 years old, and I have 21-32 age range under "looking for". The real range I'll accept is actually 18-28, but I fear stretching it to 18 and putting it on my profile might seem a bit creepy.

I don't think anyone pays much attention to age ranges, really. Photos come first, and then what you wrote in your profile. Just make sure your age range is something socially accepted - I'd put 25-35 if I were you - and you're good to go. I think girls who like you won't even care if they're out of your stated range.

I put mine at 18-99 just to kind of make it look like a default setting because I wanted to put 18 as well without looking too obvious . I only had one person ever comment on it .....1 old (50+) creepy looking lady emailing saying "Wow you're going up to 99 years old. You must really be keeping your options open!".

Agreed what you wrote I just needed some confirmation. I do think my age is fucking me over a bit. I had a much easier time dating under 25 year old girls a few years ago than I do now even though I am getting better looking girls now on average.

So funny story players (TL;DR at bottom) Went out on three online dates in the past 24 hours. The first two looked nothing like their fucking pictures.

The first chick was dressed like a tomboy skater and genuinely had a don't give a fuck attitude. She even confessed to me she has mostly dated girls. I had no other plans so we went to get a drink and even hammered I had no attraction so I bounced.
-Only redeeming thing about the night is on the train i ended up next to a 6, looked like an 8 how inebriated I was. We talked and flirted and I got her digits.

The second girl was a fucking Okcupid photoshop goddess. She looked like a cute redhead in her photos with blue eyes. In person she had a skinny body, looked like she had just woken up and had the conversation skills of a fish. Oh and I Unibrow! She was very boring and put no effort into her appearance. What made it worse was that she was bragging about how she has a BF in paris and convinced him to be in an open relationship, even though he is too busy with his work to meet girls so only she reaps the benefits. She then proceeds to tell me she has been on 2 other dates this week. I was utterly disgusted and after 30 minutes I walked her back to her bike and gave her the never seeing you again hug.

Third chick was 34 and genuinely fun to be around. She was average about a 6, but after the first two dates I was happy she just looked bangable. We had a few beers and chatted it up. She is from Denmark. Noticed she had a nice body and clothes to show it off. Went for the make out as I had the squirts from drinking so much the night before so I walked her halfway to train station and she insisted on seeing me again. I don't know guys. I think I may have gotten spoiled with the swedish chick from OKC who was 2 points more attractive than her photos. The rest of these chicks have been fugly.

Tl;DR Went on three online dates, first two were very unattractive and looked nothing like photos. One confess she has a BF and goes on a lots of dates. Last date was cute and will go for bang this weekend. Rethinking this whole online game thing.

-CD

Have I made the right decision here?

Cliffs:

1) Had been chatting to a legit 8 ten years younger - she's 25.
2) She wasn't the world's biggest texter but would initiate and re-engage.
3) Eventually met. Plenty of IOIs, and a make-out.
4) She said she'd "leave the ball in my court".
5) Texted the next evening, she responds within 10 minutes.
6) I leave it 24 hours and no re-engagement on her part.
7) I invite her out again. She responds within 10 minutes.
8) Second date. More IOIs, sitting on my lap, etc. Texted later to thank me - I'm all cosy in bed right now. Thanks again for a lovely evening :-)
9) Silence for 48 hours until I pinged. Response within ten minutes.
10) Silence from me to see if she'd re-engage. 5, 6 days pass without a word from her, no re-engagement, no "hey", zero initiation on her part.

I haven't asked her out on a third date and I've deleted her number.

(11-26-2015 12:19 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Tl;DR Went on three online dates, first two were very unattractive and looked nothing like photos. One confess she has a BF and goes on a lots of dates. Last date was cute and will go for bang this weekend. Rethinking this whole online game thing.

-CD

You got to learn how to stalk girls online way before the meetup to filter them out and move on. I've gotten pretty amazing at it I must say. There is about a 75% chance I can figure out all the details of a girl(facebook,instagram,linkedin) within the first 2/3 messages. Saves a ton of time and I haven't been catfished in years. Once you get access to their Facebook you can really see what they look like.

(11-27-2015 09:46 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  I haven't asked her out on a third date and I've deleted her number.

Why? If this girl is a legit 25 year old HB 8 and not a social retard I couldn't picture her phone not blowing up from tons of other men. I don't see how you could be on her radar when every guy she runs into in real life and online is trying to fuck her.

I matched with this girl (about a 6, nothing special) on both the POF and Okcupid app. It was funny and I let her know about it. We spent a good chunk of time talking about our experiences on both app's (though I didn't go all Game/Manosphere on her) as I used her as a study case. Out of the blue she said that the guys on Okcupid are way more thirsty and send retarded messages than on POF, where she has had better conversations. I was surprised by this since the girls on cupid tend to be more "smarter" on paper with college credentialism, careers and traveling, while the POF girls are more country and live either on the outskirts of the city or way out somewhere.

I guess it's not the same for guys. The competition might be lower on cupid, but then again these retards might be making everybody elses time a lot harder. I personally have had more successful activity going on at POF for a good while now. Maybe it's those Sex questions that girls answer and a lot of the thirsty men read through them and use them as their opener to get the girl to have sex with them immediately. On POF, you don't know anything about the girl but her pictures and what she'd like to do for a first date, if even that.

(11-27-2015 09:46 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  Have I made the right decision here?

Cliffs:

1) Had been chatting to a legit 8 ten years younger - she's 25.
2) She wasn't the world's biggest texter but would initiate and re-engage.
3) Eventually met. Plenty of IOIs, and a make-out.
4) She said she'd "leave the ball in my court".
5) Texted the next evening, she responds within 10 minutes.
6) I leave it 24 hours and no re-engagement on her part.
7) I invite her out again. She responds within 10 minutes.
8) Second date. More IOIs, sitting on my lap, etc. Texted later to thank me - I'm all cosy in bed right now. Thanks again for a lovely evening :-)
9) Silence for 48 hours until I pinged. Response within ten minutes.
10) Silence from me to see if she'd re-engage. 5, 6 days pass without a word from her, no re-engagement, no "hey", zero initiation on her part.

I haven't asked her out on a third date and I've deleted her number.

Did you try to get her back to your place after date 1? Did you escalate past making out in date 1 and 2?

Sounds like you didn't do anything more than make out with her. Make an excuse to go back to your place. Anything.

You should have struck while the iron was hot. She gave you another chance to have a second date but it didn't sound like you took advantage of your situation. Not sure why the long period of radio silence since she was clearly into you. I would have texted her a day or two later to invite her to my place or take her somewhere with good logistics.

No worries, man. These things happen. If you have a girl that is very interested in you, escalate and bounce to your place.

(11-30-2015 12:07 AM)Remington Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 09:46 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  Have I made the right decision here?

Cliffs:

1) Had been chatting to a legit 8 ten years younger - she's 25.
2) She wasn't the world's biggest texter but would initiate and re-engage.
3) Eventually met. Plenty of IOIs, and a make-out.
4) She said she'd "leave the ball in my court".
5) Texted the next evening, she responds within 10 minutes.
6) I leave it 24 hours and no re-engagement on her part.
7) I invite her out again. She responds within 10 minutes.
8) Second date. More IOIs, sitting on my lap, etc. Texted later to thank me - I'm all cosy in bed right now. Thanks again for a lovely evening :-)
9) Silence for 48 hours until I pinged. Response within ten minutes.
10) Silence from me to see if she'd re-engage. 5, 6 days pass without a word from her, no re-engagement, no "hey", zero initiation on her part.

I haven't asked her out on a third date and I've deleted her number.

Did you try to get her back to your place after date 1? Did you escalate past making out in date 1 and 2?

Sounds like you didn't do anything more than make out with her. Make an excuse to go back to your place. Anything.

You should have struck while the iron was hot. She gave you another chance to have a second date but it didn't sound like you took advantage of your situation. Not sure why the long period of radio silence since she was clearly into you. I would have texted her a day or two later to invite her to my place or take her somewhere with good logistics.

No worries, man. These things happen. If you have a girl that is very interested in you, escalate and bounce to your place.

Hi Remington, thanks for the advice. I know... on date two I should have escalated hard and brought her back to mine. For some time now I've been a little rusty with this part of game, much to my chagrin. These chicks want to be lead and I'm not stepping up to plate. It did though frustrate me that she never initiated (though was always responsive). I can only surmise that she was testing my interest level.

You always give patient advice, and so thanks for that.

(12-01-2015 12:41 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 12:07 AM)Remington Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 09:46 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  Have I made the right decision here?

Cliffs:

1) Had been chatting to a legit 8 ten years younger - she's 25.
2) She wasn't the world's biggest texter but would initiate and re-engage.
3) Eventually met. Plenty of IOIs, and a make-out.
4) She said she'd "leave the ball in my court".
5) Texted the next evening, she responds within 10 minutes.
6) I leave it 24 hours and no re-engagement on her part.
7) I invite her out again. She responds within 10 minutes.
8) Second date. More IOIs, sitting on my lap, etc. Texted later to thank me - I'm all cosy in bed right now. Thanks again for a lovely evening :-)
9) Silence for 48 hours until I pinged. Response within ten minutes.
10) Silence from me to see if she'd re-engage. 5, 6 days pass without a word from her, no re-engagement, no "hey", zero initiation on her part.

I haven't asked her out on a third date and I've deleted her number.

Did you try to get her back to your place after date 1? Did you escalate past making out in date 1 and 2?

Sounds like you didn't do anything more than make out with her. Make an excuse to go back to your place. Anything.

You should have struck while the iron was hot. She gave you another chance to have a second date but it didn't sound like you took advantage of your situation. Not sure why the long period of radio silence since she was clearly into you. I would have texted her a day or two later to invite her to my place or take her somewhere with good logistics.

No worries, man. These things happen. If you have a girl that is very interested in you, escalate and bounce to your place.

Hi Remington, thanks for the advice. I know... on date two I should have escalated hard and brought her back to mine. For some time now I've been a little rusty with this part of game, much to my chagrin. These chicks want to be lead and I'm not stepping up to plate. It did though frustrate me that she never initiated (though was always responsive). I can only surmise that she was testing my interest level.

You always give patient advice, and so thanks for that.

Glad to help, man. I was in your shoes not so long ago. The only thing you can do is learn from experience.

Most women will not initiate conversation or escalate sexually. It will be your job to do both of these things. You still have time to bring her back. Suggest a day that works for you and invite her over. Cook a dinner that you like and tell her to bring a movie.

I experienced a recent spike in message-back activity recently (suit pic?), and have wrangled a few marathon chats, but the absolute bitch of it is how they just fade away, even after such extensive sessions. After a cycle of decent heft, I try to move the damn exchange off the site. These big chats that look like a sure thing, and then - poof. I fuckin' hate that. I imagine how it looks from the other end, with her toggling, like, 97 simultaneous chats. How the fuck does one cut through the noise? Surprised to have stood out for as long as I did, but all the more reason to upgrade the damn thing before getting washed away.

It seems like even a genuinely high value man could run a profile on this shit for a decade and not rustle the equivalent to a night's worth of attention garnered by a mediocre flake. Oh, the imbalance. How many dudes are really on this thing?

I need to up the real-life gaming.

(12-03-2015 02:27 PM)Mess O. Wrote:  I experienced a recent spike in message-back activity recently (suit pic?), and have wrangled a few marathon chats, but the absolute bitch of it is how they just fade away, even after such extensive sessions. After a cycle of decent heft, I try to move the damn exchange off the site. These big chats that look like a sure thing, and then - poof.

Get her number asap when you are on a high point in the conversation. If she takes a while to respond that's fine if it drags out some but if you are going back and forth pull the trigger. Don't be pen pals. There's a lot of ways to waste time and you need to eliminate this from the website because you can waste time in texting, phone calls, dates that lead to nowhere...etc. You have a long road ahead of you from the first message online to getting her back to your place. Eliminate wasting time on the first step.

It's funny how when my Okcupid has 15+ messages my tinder hasn't had a match in days. Then my Tinder has like 4 new matches and 4 messages and Okcupid zero messages and 5 views at my profile. I've notice the older chicks 24+ seem to be eager to meet on any apps. What's you guys take?

-CD

Met a girl off cupid who has the same background as me (Serbian-American, age 21) but is very americanized. Even gave me a few of her Feminist-esque opinions about not liking the idea of a housewife. There was no Kimo what-so-ever but we established connection through many things in common.

Met her at a bar; and she insisted on paying and even suggested to go to other bars afterwards offering to drive me (which she did). She knows the area better than me which I made clear (she has lived there longer). We got into a conversation about how most dates are only meant to last 60 mins and she questioned that because we've been at it for over 2 hours. I tried to kiss her but she insisted that she doesn't kiss on first dates (which I can buy because she has a two parents serbian house hold, no slut tattoos at all or piercings but idk). Drove me back to my car after almost 3 hours, most of which she paid for...said she will get out of the car and give me a hug. Texted me saying to text her when I get home because I seemed to be a bit drunk. She basically insisted on dragging this out while also paying for it. She also texted with her mom of all ppl during the whole thing (which i didn't mind...it was her mom and she shared some texts. Apparently she is overprotective of her as she still lives with her parents)

What to make of this?

Maybe she wasn't into me or maybe she was...or maybe the common nationality made her want to be friends with me. Or maybe she is following some dating protocol [no kiss on first date, sex on the 5th one etc,.]

This happened yesterday and haven't texted her since. Do i wait it out or reengage or what?

Absolutely, The Wire. Absolutely. A long road indeed. Gotta have the need for speed.

(12-03-2015 02:27 PM)Mess O. Wrote:  I experienced a recent spike in message-back activity recently (suit pic?), and have wrangled a few marathon chats, but the absolute bitch of it is how they just fade away, even after such extensive sessions. After a cycle of decent heft, I try to move the damn exchange off the site. These big chats that look like a sure thing, and then - poof. I fuckin' hate that. I imagine how it looks from the other end, with her toggling, like, 97 simultaneous chats. How the fuck does one cut through the noise? Surprised to have stood out for as long as I did, but all the more reason to upgrade the damn thing before getting washed away.

It seems like even a genuinely high value man could run a profile on this shit for a decade and not rustle the equivalent to a night's worth of attention garnered by a mediocre flake. Oh, the imbalance. How many dudes are really on this thing?

I need to up the real-life gaming.

I dunno I got a couple dates lined up from okc. I think in places like the PH where the hamsters are just starting learn about online dating can be viable. But yeah, the US looks like a waste of time.