Post: #5926

As number 6 said a while ago, the only way that they are any good and stay good is through some control/social proof. The moment they are popular and/or are monetized, crazy thirst begins because of lack of male care of investment, and 5s-6s think they are actually hot and not fat.

Another way to say it, there has to be a barrier to entry for it to be any good. Period.

Post: #5927

Just got one number close off OKC, my first ever (about time after 2 years).

Seemed pretty straightforward, but this was out of 36 girls messaged today after revamping my profile + photos. 6 replies so far.

EDIT: *conversation removed*

We started texting, so it's on. I'll try to bang on the first date, as usual.

Post: #5928

^ Remove this image.

Post: #5929

(09-01-2016 08:11 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  ^ Remove this image.

Stupid question: why?

Post: #5930

(09-01-2016 08:12 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:11 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  ^ Remove this image.

Stupid question: why?

See #5 and #13:

/thread-3383.html

Posting possibly identifiable pics of girls we're seeing/might be seeing is a no-no.

Anyway, let us know if it works out! A 25% response rate or so for about 30 sent, and one possible date seems about par for the course for me in recent history as well. Giving up the digits within ten messages or so is a pretty good sign, and honestly there are so many timewasters these days that if I can't close on a # within about that number of replies and in the same day, I understand it's a very weak lead and move on.

Pulling a girl from the Internet is the easy part, but as OKCupid is now the most challenging part of the easy part is grinding through the filthy casuals, in hopes of hitting upon the couple girls at the right moment who are DTF.

Post: #5931

(08-30-2016 01:45 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  So does this mean the 80/20 rule is shifting upwards to 90/10 or 95/5 ?

It's always disconcerting to get flaked on by a 42 year old "6" when I've banged a a couple girls 15 years younger and significantly more attractive. Gee whiz, who was the better option, I wonder? WHO WAS THAT MASKED MAN?

I don't know if it's going to shift significantly upwards, but I do think we may be entering an era of "open hypergamy" among young women. Many young urban women will have two or three fellas on rotation at a time, and will openly brag about their options and lack of desire for commitment. I already hear it happening. I've banged girls like this.

The 15% of the 20% will still get laid plenty, but will basically have to share. I guess that's okay, who doesn't like sluts, but don't expect marriage or for me to like, buy things, and stuff.

Post: #5932

(09-01-2016 08:15 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:12 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:11 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  ^ Remove this image.

Stupid question: why?

See #5 and #13:

/thread-3383.html

Posting possibly identifiable pics of girls we're seeing/might be seeing is a no-no.

Anyway, let us know if it works out! A 25% response rate or so for about 30 sent, and one possible date seems about par for the course for me in recent history as well. Giving up the digits within ten messages or so is a pretty good sign, and honestly there are so many timewasters these days that if I can't close on a # within about that number of replies and in the same day, I understand it's a very weak lead and move on.

Point taken.

We've set up something for Sunday (tomorrow), although apart from the time, we haven't worked out logistics yet. I may well have her come directly to mine, but given how I haven't banged anyone from OKC yet, I probably should play it safe? Bear in mind the word "date" was never mentioned.

I've mostly used one of 2 openers since returning to OKC on Thursday. This is one of them, PM me for the other. I've messaged 59 girls in the 6 - 8 range, with 12 responding and double that visiting my profile. Apart from that first one, another has suggested meeting up (edit: and just number closed) and maybe a couple more seem warm. It's still a pretty grim look if such a process of elimination is considered good progress on OKC.

Speakeasy once did an experiment on Tinder that yielded how a male 9 with all-American time good looks still yielded a 30% match rate. I'm not a 9, I'll admit that, but I've used a set of the best photos of me yet. I can't help but wonder if that reality is like that across the board for non-game-aware good-looking dudes (in the 8.5 - 10 range).

One more thing: how possible is it to quickly pull girls who, going by their profiles/questions, aren't giving off DTF indications?

(09-01-2016 08:15 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Pulling a girl from the Internet is the easy part, but as OKCupid is now the most challenging part of the easy part is grinding through the filthy casuals, in hopes of hitting upon the couple girls at the right moment who are DTF.

Not quite sure about how you worded this.

Do you mean that the heavy lifting has mostly been done once you've gotten her number and pulled her into real life? And that sorting out the DTF ones from not was part ofthe online process?

Post: #5933

^

(sorry for the lack of quotes in this reply but I'm on mobile)

No, what I mean is that the easiest part is snagging a date with a decent looking girl from the apps. That's pretty much just grinding. If you're decent looking and aren't a total chode via text (and I think most of us aren't) it will eventually happen.

The tough part is always in person. In my experience there are some girls who just warm up to you quick, are in the mood to bang, and the bang goes down like clockwork. And there are others who are simply serial daters, and a lay will pretty much not be on the table no matter what you do. And then there are the "maybe" girls who need really tight game in person, and all the logistics and everything has to be just right.

If I'm honest I'd say 70% of the lays I got were the first category - it wasn't terribly difficult. Perhaps 30% were "maybe" girls. The shitty thing is, the "maybe" girls are usually the ones I'd have wanted to bang most, and the ones I end up kicking myself over because it didn't play out right. The "definitely" girls are usually less attractive. The "definitely not" girls are usually annoying and not worth the effort.

So that's the pisser of it.

Also, none of the profiles of the girls I ended up having sex with would a casual observer look at and say to themselves "Ahh, here is a girl looking for quick sex!" About the only two consistent qualities I belive they almost all had in common was: her main photo was a non-professional head or body shot of her smiling and looking genuinely happy, and her profile wasn't bitchy, entitled, or 15 pages long. It might start out with something like "Hey! My name is so and so and I'm not quite sure what I'm looking for, but I though it would be cool to...I like x y and z, and I think I'm blah blah blah." Just a "normal girl" profile, if that makes any sense.

The "conventional wisdom" is actually true in one area: I do get higher response rates if I write a custom message that makes it seems like I glanced at her profile vs. canned openers. Even if it's just a witty one or two liner.

Also don't let anyone tell you there aren't 7+ girls to be had online, if you live in a large city. Two of the best looking girls I've ever hooked up with in my life I met on the site, easily the equal of any hot club chick you could meet with night game. There are definitey diamonds in the waste.

Online dating changes rapidly, and I've found I've had to keep changing my tactics up to get the most from it. I should try and do a write-up of the strategy I've used in recent history as I think a lot of stuff you might read about it other places on the Internet, including other "manosphere"/game blogs like BlackDragonBlog, is hopelessly out of date.

Post: #5934

Met two girls from this last night which I double booked to meet at the same place.

First girl came in at 9pm as the other was late. I wasn't taking any chances, met her and she looked a bit chubby a 6.5 or so. I am hugely into slim women and have difficulty banging fatties. She seemed quite warm to me, as we walked to the bar she held my hand out of no where and she was telling me how she recently split up from her boyfriend. Ordered a drink at the bar, I made sure to pay for it right away.

I checked my phone and the other girl just arrived. I just thought fuck this, I told my date I have to take a phone call and walked straight out. I texted her two minutes later that I need to run back to my hotel and blocked her to avoid seeing the aftermath of texts.

This is exactly how women behave, ruthless as fuck.

The other girl was waiting - there was only one problem she was a bit fat as well (not as fat but fat enough for me to consider ditching her as well). I thought what the fuck I failed on screening here, while I knew the first one may have been fat based on her headshot pics on the site this one threw me off a bit. But anyway met the second girl took her to the standard bar hopping adventure ending back at my hotel room, got the kiss but she was in a rush to catch the midnight train so nothing happened, and that was that. Did spend the earlier part of my day with another girl which I did have sex with, but sometimes life is disappointing.

If I was into banging 6.5 fatties, and many guys would as they are so desperate, my numbers would be through the roof. I can't do that to myself, even the second girl would have required a serious amount of alcohol to have sex with and we had about 4 rounds by that stage.

Post: #5935

(09-01-2016 08:48 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  It's always disconcerting to get flaked on by a 42 year old "6" when I've banged a a couple girls 15 years younger and significantly more attractive. Gee whiz, who was the better option, I wonder? WHO WAS THAT MASKED MAN?

That way of thinking is not helping you. I sometimes catch myself thinking like that, but I want to stop doing it. It creates negativity when you assume that she didn't want you, because she has endless options of better men.

1. You might not be her type and that doesn't mean that she has another option. She might stay home, go out with friends, whatever. I sometimes initiate things with a girl, but drop her after we arrange something or talk about arranging something. Once things start getting close to meeting, I'm asking myself whether this chick is good for me. That doesn't mean I have other options in the near term. And yeah .. it's a hard pill to swallow, but not every girl is obligated to like me, just because I'm obviously higher value than her. And that's ok. That frees time and energy for me to find and be with the girls that want to be with me. More importantly, it frees time for me to pursue the other things that I'm working towards in my life!

2. Girls sometimes have valid reasons for flaking. Getting sick, relative's death, getting exhausted by something. Whatever. Do you have reasons for flaking? You sure do. Well, they do too.

3. The world doesn't work like an algorithm. Just because you have banged a younger girl a week before, doesn't mean that an older girl with a lower value should always be in the bag.

4. You're probably younger than 42. A 42 years old woman knows that she'll most probably be pumped and dumped. Maybe a few days ago she was horny and satisfied a fantasy by chatting with you, but when things get close to sealing the deal, she chickens out. I've done that myself.

In any case, I am striving to not hold this negative view of dating. Talk to women who are out dating - maybe some of your friends. They're usually unhappy too. Sure, they can get sex (some of them), but if they want anything more, it's difficult. Women settle for losers all the time because of that.

Post: #5936

So I decided to keep my profile going to scout out some other dating markets (local market sucks ass).

Eventually got a local chicks number (she contacted me). She looked decent in her photos and sounded friendly in her messages and in her profile. Got the the number and had a chat with her.

Well, after talking on the phone for a bit, I made mention of something very benign and she ended up getting very butt hurt about it. Up until this point, the conversation was going pretty well (lots of laughing on her end) but she didn't have a very engaging or warm personality so this chick already was barely worth a meet as it was. As alluded to, she developed a bit of an attitude for no good reason when I mentioned something after everything had been gong well enough for a good clip. Total hot and cold kind of slut. Could have easily just looked at it like a shit test if I was strictly only looking for a bang but that's not how I evaluate things these days. I have no patience for cunts.

Said fuck this, told her off, hung up, and charged it to the game. These online sluts are a joke.

Post: #5937

I've been hitting up the site again recently. The main problem I've been having is girls seeming really interested for three or four messages, sending me a bunch of questions and lots of text, and then ghosting before I can get to a natural segue to pitching the meet/asking for a #.

My old strategy of wait for ~10 back and forths before asking for a date/phone number to gauge interest used to work pretty well, but I'm wondering if they're getting too ADD to expect that level of investment these days.

In general, however, I'm fairly suspicious of girls who send long replies/walls of text.

Post: #5938

(09-09-2016 01:55 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  I've been hitting up the site again recently. The main problem I've been having is girls seeming really interested for three or four messages, sending me a bunch of questions and lots of text, and then ghosting before I can get to a natural segue to pitching the meet/asking for a #.

My old strategy of wait for ~10 back and forths before asking for a date/phone number to gauge interest used to work pretty well, but I'm wondering if they're getting too ADD to expect that level of investment these days.

In general, however, I'm fairly suspicious of girls who send long replies/walls of text.

10 messages is way too much in my opinion on average. I typically go for 5 or so before getting the number, varies on the girl but generally that's what I go for on average.

ADD is everywhere in these generations of women. They can't even walk down the street by themselves without needing earphones.

Post: #5939

(09-09-2016 01:54 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  10 messages is way too much in my opinion on average. I typically go for 5 or so before getting the number, varies on the girl but generally that's what I go for on average.

ADD is everywhere in these generations of women. They can't even walk down the street by themselves without needing earphones.

Thanks, I'll try that approach for a while. I used to get good results going for 10 messages or so before pitching the date right on the site; seems not to be as effective anymore. I think what another poster said earlier in the thread may be correct: there's some kind of psychological barrier with the site vs. text (though this of course is silly IMO.)

The nice thing was that if I could hold her attention for that long I knew she was really into me and if we hit it off I was in for the bang. Looks like I may have to broaden my horizons to somewhat weaker leads.

If I've got her number I can hit her up anytime and there's probably a better chance of a response. If I try to hit her up again for the date on the site after she ghosts or otherwise demurrers the first time, I'm back with the rest of the chodes in the inbox.

Post: #5940

Big shoutout to RunsWithScissors for hooking me up with some fresh professional pics. I mainly got them for using in pipelining online for my upcoming trip to Colombia which have been working great, but I have also noticed an uptick in attention and responsiveness from American girls as well. No new news here: pics trump all in online game. The better pics you have the less you have to say.

Post: #5941

(09-09-2016 02:45 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Big shoutout to RunsWithScissors for hooking me up with some fresh professional pics. I mainly got them for using in pipelining online for my upcoming trip to Colombia which have been working great, but I have also noticed an uptick in attention and responsiveness from American girls as well. No new news here: pics trump all in online game. The better pics you have the less you have to say.

Fast results, glad to hear they are making a difference, I was wondering if you'd notice any improvement. I think we learned a lot doing that first shoot too and will get even better ones next time.

Post: #5942

The pics I've been using for the past 6 months or so are okay, not great. There are a couple selfies in there, yuck.

I really need to do something about this, gents. I've had a couple girls tell me in person "You don't look a whole lot like your pics" and then I went on to bang them. so I think this is a problem I need to get rectified ASAP. It seems like sometimes it actually throws girls off that you look better in person than in your pics, and might work against me sometimes as well.

I should be doing better than I am. Just hate having photos taken.

Post: #5943

It's fun. Getting photos taken doesn't need to be like when you were in highschool and some chode had you stand in awkward poses with some goofy back drop. You drive/walk around the city looking for cool spots to photograph, dress fresh, and make a day/night out of it. Also helps if you're doing it with a friend instead of just some stranger you hired off the internet, but as long as you gel it can be a good time.

(09-09-2016 03:08 PM)RunsWithScissors Wrote:  Fast results, glad to hear they are making a difference, I was wondering if you'd notice any improvement. I think we learned a lot doing that first shoot too and will get even better ones next time.

Absolutely man I think they have been working out great so far. Definitely got some good insight for more photos in the future too.

Post: #5944

(09-09-2016 05:01 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  It's fun. Getting photos taken doesn't need to be like when you were in highschool and some chode had you stand in awkward poses with some goofy back drop. You drive/walk around the city looking for cool spots to photograph, dress fresh, and make a day/night out of it. Also helps if you're doing it with a friend instead of just some stranger you hired off the internet, but as long as you gel it can be a good time.

This is what I was thinking too, finding a photographer you have a rapport with definitely helps. We wandered around the city to a few locations, got a burger and drink at a cool spot in the middle and then found a couple more locations to take some pics. I took >100 shots and got 8-10 usable ones.

Post: #5945

Damn I haven't been around the game forum in a while but XPQ22 you've really become a solid contributor here. +1

Post: #5946

Getting good pics taken is important but don't be in such a rush to get them scripted. DO travel, DO put yourselves in new situations, DO dress well (or for the occasion), DO bring a camera. Don't expect fantastic results every time. Experiment and have fun. Chicks pick up on that stuff too.

Post: #5947

Not sure if it's the pictures or what, but I have been getting crazy leads on OKC the past 24 hours. Got a couple of cold messages that I quickly turned into numbers, and 3-4 ones I messaged that I also quickly turned into numbers. All seem pretty warm and down to hang.

This isn't totally controlled though as I haven't actively been using OKC for a while and since I got these new pics I've been back on there messaging girls... but shit I have like almost a 50% response rate and I'm turning most of them inter number fast.

EDIT: I should add that one of these girls was a female I messaged months ago where we have a few back and forths with her being pretty short and unreceptive. This time around she was incredibly warm and eager. See below:

ME: Whats up with this game of thrones everyone's always talking about. Is it fun?
Sent May 18

Her: It's amazing
Sent from the OkCupid app May 18

ME: How do you play
Sent May 18

Her: No hun its a tv show
Sent from the OkCupid app May 18

ME: Whaat oh man I feel dumb haha so this is like the nest TV show ever or what
Sent May 18

Her: Lol yes the best
Sent from the OkCupid app May 18

ME: Yo I said nest not best anyway whats shakin with you besides TV
Sent May 18

Her: Lol. Work and lots of it
Sent from the OkCupid app May 18

ME: Yawn what do you do when you get out
Sent May 18

---No response---

ME: Nutella and Steak? Sold
Sent 3:49pm

Her: lol. ^_^ want to join me for some?
Sent from the OkCupid app 4:00pm

ME: Psh does the pope wear a funny hat?
Sent 4:01pm

Her: ? my name is XXXX.
Sent from the OkCupid app 4:04pm

ME: Menya zovut XXXX
Sent 4:04pm

Her: I am sure i will need you to tell me how to say that. Russian?
Sent from the OkCupid app 4:06pm

ME: Hahaa da ruskki
Sent 4:07pm

ME: So whats going on the next few days XXXX (how you pronounce that?)
Sent 4:08pm

Her: XXXX. Heading back into town tomorrow. Then work for the week. ^_^. Gym and such, maybe some kareoke Thursday. What about you?
Sent from the OkCupid app 4:10pm

ME: I'm actually headed OUT of town for a business trip midweek but I was thinking we ought to get to brass tax on this steak/nutella deal asap
Sent 4:10pm

Her: lol. Lets. when shall we "get to brass tax" Ill be back tomorrow. ha. is that ASAP enough for you?
Sent from the OkCupid app 4:14pm

ME: Si! Shoot me a text XXXX xxx-xxx-xxxx
Sent 4:17pm

Her: lol. okay you. hold please. xxx-xxx-xxxx is me.

EDIT 2: Also admittedly my opener and text game was far better this time around but I don't think that plays as big of a factor as my superior photos.

Post: #5948

^Damn Stalin. I've seen your posts and you're an intelligent guy, but you sure are playing the character of a complete moron in that first exchange, presumably to bring yourself down to the girl's level; I notice how you drop that act like a fly for the second girl who appears reasonably intelligent herself. I've always thought of game as being the best version of yourself rather than being someone you're not. Serious question: How do your in-person dates go with girls you pretended to be a dumbass for online? Are you able to keep congruence with that persona long enough to get the bang?

Post: #5949

Playing dumb sometimes is just to act as an innocent ice breaker. Coming off as a harmless and friendly fool can have its merits and be endearing. That entire exchange is the same girl just months apart after the non-response on her part. If the original exchange had kept going I'd change the subject and drop the clueless idiot routine.

I don't pretend to be someone I'm not when I meet women, but I certainly calibrate myself based on the vibe they give off.

I can be energetic and I can also be laid back. I can vague and mysterious, but I can also be very passionate and in-depth.

Post: #5950

Had my first OKC date in quite a while last week. Another long-range excursion about 35 miles west of the city.

Girl was pretty cute blonde, late 20s; not quite a "7" but a nice fit body, more than a "standard issue 6" in my book. She said that she lived nearby to the bar so I figured there was some kind of logistics in order and that it was a good sign to proceed. Told me she had recently moved to the area, just out of a LTR, blah blah who knows if it's true. I could tell she was high when I arrived, probably been smoking up in her car while she waited for me to find the damn place.

Drinks at the bar went quite well. She'd clearly been on some shitty dates with boring no-game chodes recently...hardly surprising given she's out in the boonies. She was really chatty and basically laid out her life story while I kicked back and listened and interjected funny quips here and there. She had that happy look in her eyes and was fine with me touching her, and seemed like she didn't want the evening to end.

We made out in my car and she was pretty aggressive about it, jumping over into the drivers side to get at me. I was hoping to pitch the move to her place, BUT I think I came on too strong in response and scared the cat. One hand on her boob and she suddenly started the "nope I'm a good girl" routine and started bringing things to a close. Eh, fuck it, I just gave her some good feels talk and let her go. In my experience girls who don't let you get a little more sexual than just smooching before pulling them home put up enormous resistance in private, too. I've got other options in the works, and it's honestly too far a drive to put up with a "three date Kate." She liked me, but she's on the hunt for serious long-term provider material. Which clearly a guy who almost lives in another state is not.

I texted her a few days later and pitched a second meet for the hell of it, but she told me she was busy.

In general, however, cute college-educated exurb girls stuck out in strip mall and farm country are a pretty solid niche for us suburban guys.

Edit: Another thing I keep in mind is that some of these chicks are hoe-ing around on their LTRs, particularly when they're asking a guy to come a long distance and are vague about where they live. It's happened to me at least once that I know of.