Post: #5876

Got another meet set up for tonight, looking for the MILF flag. Says she's 43 which probably means 45 in real years. She was one of those girls (heh!) who comes back to message you about a month after you sent a first message that you forgot about, which means that she picked you out from a bunch of guys...not exactly the same as a cold message but not a terrible signal either. Full body shots look promising, looks like she's done a good job keeping in shape.

A few red flags though, she sort of tried to push the meet to an earlier time "I'm free earlier if you want to come out then" and my serial dater spidey senses are going off a bit. I think it could go either way, I'm 50/50 on it at this point, but I made the date not far from one of my usual weekend hangouts so I can bounce easily...it's not in a particularly favorable spot logistically.

It's pretty low-investment though, and she's enthusiastic via text at least, so I don't see a reason to call it off at this point. I've been wrong before.

Post: #5877

(07-20-2016 01:45 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  OKcupid has an algorithm that matches you with undesirable profiles UNTIL your profile gets many likes and views. I wondered why I was getting so many hideous matches until I did some research. After my profile got many, many likes the quality of matches drastically improved.

(07-20-2016 01:48 PM)Kinko Wrote:  Man, that is some twisted stuff right there. Algorithms... Medusa, whatever it is scared the daylights out of me.

What DimeBait is referring to is, assuming OKCupid operates as it did a couple years ago, it will eventually send you an email stating that their data indicates you are in the top half of attractiveness for your gender. As a result, the system will start putting women who are also in the upper echelon at the top of your searches. In other words, you will start seeing fewer 1's and 2's, and more 3's and 4's... even the occasional 5.

If you don't get this email, assume it's because OKCupid has stopped this practice. Given the effort we dedicate ourselves to, any guy on this forum should be annihilating the median on a loser collection like OKC.

Post: #5878

(07-22-2016 11:25 AM)Delta Wrote:  Assume it's because OKCupid has stopped this practice. Given the effort we dedicate ourselves to, any guy on this forum should be annihilating the median on a loser collection like OKC.

I don't think they do this anymore, at least not in my area. It doesn't seem like a very effective strategy from a profitability standpoint, as the site goes in a more social-media-lite direction.

Post: #5879

Who has experience with older women on POF? I'm going to try to smash a nice MILF but not sure how to approach them online.

Post: #5880

(07-22-2016 02:45 PM)skr1107 Wrote:  Who has experience with older women on POF? I'm going to try to smash a nice MILF but not sure how to approach them online.

1. Sign up
2. Choose your profile age within 14 years of your target age group
3. Create profile more on the classy side
4. Run the Meet Me feature on Mozilla Firefox's iOupus iMacro add-on.
5. You will get lots of messages as these women get less attention than pre-wall women.

Post: #5881

I had my first date with a MILF tonight; her claimed age was 43.

Solid "7" in person and a great body. She clearly made an effort to dress up for the date...makeup, dress, heels, which was a refreshing change from some of these younger girls who don't even bother. I felt under-dressed by comparison.

Sadly, it was a fairly uneventful date. I decided to go pretty much full-blast "cocky player game" on her and she seemed to be into it, she kept moving her stool closer to me during the ~45 minutes we were at the bar having a couple drinks (dutch), and was leaning into me when she laughed at my jokes.

Other than that, all my fairly tame attempts at touching/escalation were resisted. After we were done there she seemed to want to keep the date going, said she was hungry, so we bounced to a causal sit-down restaurant. I would generally never do this and considered leaving as it didn't seem the attempts at kino were going well, but she did dress up quite nicely and was really pleasant otherwise so I decided to humor her. Spent another hour or so hanging out with her at dinner, but she was still hesitant.

The silver lining was that when the check came she said "Nah, don't worry about it, I got this...we're equal now right?" So I got a nice meal on her tab.

She told me she was divorced and had only been on a couple dates; not a great position to be in for my part but I believe she may have been basically telling the truth. My guess is that she may still be married but the divorce is in process and she's hopping on and off the sites, shopping around. She seemed particularly interested in my own relationship history from online dating, which I was ambiguous about. She was nice looking and friendly, but seemed overall prudish about dating, hesitant, and not particularly sexual. Out of circulation a long time.

I let her have the "hug close" since she was friendly and perhaps a legit online newbie...I think she got the drift that I was a player and while she wasn't hostile to that notion, it wasn't what she wanted. Logistics weren't in order anyway.

The free meal was a nice bonus, though. Overall investment less than 2 hours and 20 bucks.

Post: #5882

You got a free meal which is something at least.

Food is definitely something to be avoided on first dates. For two reasons one is the huge number of girls looking for a meal ticket, the second is that food (and I mean a proper dinner not a light snack) is a massive turnoff for women. Is she thinking of how succulent your cock will be later in the night when consuming her chicken and fries? It's the last thought on her mind. It turns me off also massively when I have a woman with me eating a burger or some shit next to me.

Yes it can work on occasion (much less so than with just drinks) but not generally worth the time, descalation, rescalation, high probability she will try to get you to pay for it and high probability she views you as a nice guy and dissapears from view following a "nice to meet you" hug close and deletes you from her phone. Women are looking for any excuse to put you in the nice guy category.

All that doesn't mean that if you bounced her back to yours and cooked her something then nothing would have happened, the possibilities of sex with the bed meters away may give her some tingles. Men have a subconscience data flow diagram in their head on plans for the night, if this happens then I'll do this, based on rationality. Women don't have that, and their actions are to a large extent based on her emotions and the heat of moment based on their environement - i.e. you.

If I'm really hungry I'm heading home to cook something if she wants to join great if not no big deal. This is my default now. I've had a few girls slip through the cracks trying to take advantage of me being hungry, and of course ghosting after. The food bounce is best avoided - unless it's back to yours or you tell her about it to get her out of a bar then say later "actually fuck this" <seed what you have at home>. Of course if there are poor logistics then this is difficult.

MILFs (and by this I mean ones in their 40s) aren't going out with much younger men for anything serious, the last two I've had dates with wanted to fuck me within 10 seconds. They know their blueprint very well by this age.

There are exceptions of course and many possible reasons this woman was more hesitant but if you go on four dates with four MILFs in their 40s and know your shit you can definitely have a 50% success rate with them.

Post: #5883

^ This mommy definitely gave me a "cheating" vibe, frankly. Her main pic was just a body shot of her in a silly costume that wouldn't be immediately recognizable...she sent me more via text. Her account is currently deletedville.

I asked her about it and she was like "oh well what would the girls at the office say if they saw me on an online dating site." Bullshit, they're not looking for women, there's only one reason a girl tries to obfuscate her online profile, and that's because she's hiding out from a dude or his friends. It's happened to me before.

Best guess is she was out looking for "chill guys" who were good with it and for whatever reason, despite my best player game attempts, I didn't fit the bill.

Dinner was the consolation prize.

Post: #5884

(07-23-2016 05:04 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  ^ This mommy definitely gave me a "cheating" vibe, frankly. Her main pic was just a body shot of her in a silly costume that wouldn't be immediately recognizable...she sent me more via text. Her account is currently deletedville.

I asked her about it and she was like "oh well what would the girls at the office say if they saw me on an online dating site." Bullshit, they're not looking for women, there's only one reason a girl tries to obfuscate her online profile, and that's because she's hiding out from a dude or his friends. It's happened to me before.

Best guess is she was out looking for "chill guys" who were good with it and for whatever reason, despite my best player game attempts, I didn't fit the bill.

Dinner was the consolation prize.

I would give that MILF another low-effort shot.

1. She could have been legit new to online and back to the dating game in general. Last time this chick dated, bangs came after a few dates typically. The pace of online dating is TOTALLY different from previous non-online eras.

2. She might still be married and hasn't worked up to cheating. Yet.

I would just invite yourself over to your place (or her to yours). If she shoots it down, fuck it.

I've dealt with hot/cold MILFs like this. Some recent divorced chicks sometimes need a little time to loosen up if they haven't banged anyone post-divorce yet. You might have just caught her a tad early before she goes full divorcee slut mode.

I would shoot a text seeing if she is down for meeting at your/her place. Any resistance, let it go.

Post: #5885

(07-20-2016 01:45 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  OKcupid has an algorithm that matches you with undesirable profiles UNTIL your profile gets many likes and views. I wondered why I was getting so many hideous matches until I did some research. After my profile got many, many likes the quality of matches drastically improved.

Does it really matter? Or does OKC actually filter the people you can "search" for. I just go through everyone online instead of playing the match game. If you're on your PC its actually not that time consuming using multiple tabs.

Post: #5886

(07-23-2016 05:53 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  I would give that MILF another low-effort shot.

1. She could have been legit new to online and back to the dating game in general. Last time this chick dated, bangs came after a few dates typically. The pace of online dating is TOTALLY different from previous non-online eras.

2. She might still be married and hasn't worked up to cheating. Yet.

I would just invite yourself over to your place (or her to yours). If she shoots it down, fuck it.

I've dealt with hot/cold MILFs like this. Some recent divorced chicks sometimes need a little time to loosen up if they haven't banged anyone post-divorce yet. You might have just caught her a tad early before she goes full divorcee slut mode.

I would shoot a text seeing if she is down for meeting at your/her place. Any resistance, let it go.

Ya that's a good analysis. At the end of the night she did kinda sorta suggest the possibility of another meet without me bringing it up: "Well I do work a lot but I have some days free later this week..."

She probably has some other dates on the schedule this weekend; I'll bet on them being not particularly impressive compared to me and hit her up later...see if she responds and suss out the situation

Post: #5887

(07-23-2016 10:53 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  She probably has some other dates on the schedule this weekend; I'll bet on them being not particularly impressive compared to me and hit her up later...see if she responds and suss out the situation

No response to the restart, but that wasn't unexpected. She was friendly, but it was a very lukewarm date.

But pulling MILFs from online apparently isn't particularly difficult. It's finding ones worthwhile to pull that's the challenge.

Post: #5888

Had a date on this last night. Girl in her early 30s, fatter than her pics and shorter than I imagined. A 6 in my book. I double booked her with another girl who I ended up flaking a second time on.

Went somewhere local and to a bar. Had one round of drinks. Usual topics about travel and life. She was pretty fucking boring though and if anything sounded rather depressed. Then she brought up feminism out of no where and how it's wrong for magazines to have pictures of naked women but not naked men. "That's sexist" she insisted. As if it's that hard to find anything with naked men. Another brainwashed soul. I told her I don't care even a little bit about it. She said that's the problem. Excused myself after a while and that was that. She successfully screened me out in her search for a chump, well done to her.

Post: #5889

Just FYI all, I dropped in on the site briefly today and noticed there seems to have been a large turnover in the talent in the 25-35 demographic in the past several weeks. I'm not using the site regularly anymore, but I quickly skimmed down the list of "matches" and picked out around 20 girls in the "6"-"8" range that aren't the same girls that have been there "since Moses was in diapers."

I'm going to blitz out an opener to all of them and see if anything comes of it.

Post: #5890

So here are the results of messaging those 20 girls, after 24 hours, in case anyone is interested:

# of "visits": 12

# of message responses: 8

# of girls whose response showed low investment or ghosted after 1 reply: 3

# of girls got conversation started with: 5

40 year old MILF "6": Exchanged 10 good texts, pitched the date and she gave the "I'm going on vacation!" excuse, but she lives ~50 miles away so it was a longshot anyway

30 y/o "7": Chat went pretty good, she asked if I'd be available to meet this week, ghosted when I agreed

39 y/o "6": Chat went well, said she "might be available for a date next week if you can think of someplace that won't take too much time", worthless

28 y/o "5": Enthusiastic, gave up digits within a few messages, but then did a variant of the "next week excuse" via text ("I'll be visiting relatives in Bumfuck over the weekend")

26 y/o "7" Most enthusiastic one of the bunch, offered up her digits after 4 messages unprompted and said she'd be down to meet this weekend, but still a longshot.

Post: #5891

Alright, I'm coming out of my lurking- I just can't hold it in anymore. These women are damaged. The ones online are available for good reason gentlemen.

My latest session:
Messaged me first- 35y.o. 6 Too far away but high interest. Would hit if in same city

24 y.o. 7 drifted off after abt 10 msgs = attention seeker.

21y.o. possible SIF 89% match.Pretty face.Loves cats. Sylvia plath -one of those types. (where do they get the idea this will make them sound interesting?) . I sent 1 message (very good, concise, poetic, mentioned cats, good game) and ... BLOCKED. Why? I'm one of the most attractive men there. I wouldn't give her a second look on the street. She didn't even read my profile.

They are mental. This is why online is supplementary.

Post: #5892

(08-04-2016 03:55 PM)Low Class Loser Wrote:  Alright, I'm coming out of my lurking- I just can't hold it in anymore. These women are damaged. The ones online are available for good reason gentlemen.

My latest session:
Messaged me first- 35y.o. 6 Too far away but high interest. Would hit if in same city

24 y.o. 7 drifted off after abt 10 msgs = attention seeker.

21y.o. possible SIF 89% match.Pretty face.Loves cats. Sylvia plath -one of those types. (where do they get the idea this will make them sound interesting?) . I sent 1 message (very good, concise, poetic, mentioned cats, good game) and ... BLOCKED. Why? I'm one of the most attractive men there. I wouldn't give her a second look on the street. She didn't even read my profile.

They are mental. This is why online is supplementary.

Feel like I need to bump this quote every few weeks.

(08-13-2013 01:13 AM)scorpion Wrote:  Online seems to be becoming more of a waste of time as the years go by. Women don't take it seriously anymore. Most of them aren't even on there to meet guys. It's just an app on their phone they can open at any time for some male attention and validation. Or to laugh at with their girlfriends when they're bored. I've also noticed an increasing trend of women being outright rude, hostile and insulting for their own perverse amusement. It's a power trip for 4s, 5s and 6s to be able to reject so many men. It makes them feel like an 8.

In fact, it's such a joke to most women now that just being a man on a dating site is itself a major DLV. A man with other options wouldn't be wasting his time in such a cesspool, they assume.

At this point I could only recommend online game to guys who are 8+ in looks (be honest with yourself), who live in major metro areas with lots of women constantly cycling through online, who are willing and able to devote 1-2 hours a day to it and who know how to write very good profiles and messages. And even if you meet all these criteria, you'll still be lucky to consistently get dates with 7s. Most other guys are just wasting their time and feeding hamsters by the dozen and will struggle mightily just to pull 6s. And even for the best looking guys with great game, pulling an 8 or 9 online is more than anything else just a matter of dumb luck, because girls that hot are usually only on there for a few days before they delete their profiles due to the sheer volume of chodes spamming their inboxes.

OKC has nosedived and a lot of the girls still on there are losers. You need to realize this and adjust your expectations. Seems like you're emotionally investing a lot in these interactions, which wouldn't happen if you were talking to girls offline. You shouldn't be heated when a rando blocks you. You shouldn't get off on calling girls attention seekers.

Blaming feminism and mental girls, although quite true, doesn't get you anywhere. Cultivate an internal locus of control. You can't control how these girls react but you can control your look, your effort, and your travels. Stay positive and exploit other avenues. The omnipresence of online dating creates a silver lining for macking in person, be the guy that exploits that.

Post: #5893

(08-04-2016 03:55 PM)Low Class Loser Wrote:  Alright, I'm coming out of my lurking- I just can't hold it in anymore. These women are damaged. The ones online are available for good reason gentlemen.

My latest session:
Messaged me first- 35y.o. 6 Too far away but high interest. Would hit if in same city

24 y.o. 7 drifted off after abt 10 msgs = attention seeker.

21y.o. possible SIF 89% match.Pretty face.Loves cats. Sylvia plath -one of those types. (where do they get the idea this will make them sound interesting?) . I sent 1 message (very good, concise, poetic, mentioned cats, good game) and ... BLOCKED. Why? I'm one of the most attractive men there. I wouldn't give her a second look on the street. She didn't even read my profile.

They are mental. This is why online is supplementary.

Yep, many are. But for me what you've posted is just any average afternoon when I decide to send out a dozen messages. I've used the site pretty regularly and got some good lays of there, even a couple girls I ended up seeing regularly, and the chicks were at the very least cute, with a few stunners thrown in.

You just have to accept that the majority of girls you correspond with will be weird, or flakey, or cuntish, or ghost, or flake. As online dating becomes more of a "social media" tool, using it to actually meet up with chicks often feels like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. But it doesn't mean it's impossible.

(08-04-2016 06:31 PM)Balkan Wrote:  Girls still on there are losers. You need to realize this and adjust your expectations. Seems like you're emotionally investing a lot in these interactions, which wouldn't happen if you were talking to girls offline. You shouldn't be heated when a rando blocks you. You shouldn't get off on calling girls attention seekers.

The girls I met up with that it worked out well with all seemed really glad they caught me. If the rest of them are too dumb to recognize a solid guy from the chodes then it's their motherfucking loss. Charge it to da game, I've still been pulling a new bang a month out of it on average. I'm hoping August won't be any different.

Post: #5894

Here are my last couple of dates:

Met a girl by the tube. She was gigglish and looked well up for it, in good shape. This was pure attraction on this one I could feel than what I was saying to her. She was 36 yet it appeared still firmly on the cock carousel and was saying how she still has a couple of years and was not "panic buying". One drink at one venue, one drink at another. Got home with her. She was rushing to get home by this stage. Started kissing, closed off, cock to vagina but it wasn't going in. The tampon was in there. ACCESS DENIED. Still in contact with her maybe next time.

Girl tonight. Welsh girl a little on the chubby end but still bangable. One drink here, one drink there. She looked like a nervous wreck on the date or perhaps she was never that interested. Walked her to within meters of my place and she saw a missed call from her friend supposedly and said she needs to get home. That was that a "nice to meet you", I saw an hour later she blocked me online. I think if I invited her though straight to my house instead of a date it would have been a definite bang.

Women love to block people it's a tool in their arsenal and they love using it, if anything just to yield power.

Online dating is as unpredictable as fuck and so are women in general on dates. I could bang a hot 19 year old on one date and get rejected by a chubby 28 year old the next. That's how it goes.

Post: #5895

(08-05-2016 05:17 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  Online dating is as unpredictable as fuck and so are women in general on dates. I could bang a hot 19 year old on one date and get rejected by a chubby 28 year old the next. That's how it goes.

Do you pay any attention to the "matches into my age" setting when sending messages?

One issue I have is that the girls around here on OKC seem to be really restrictive on the ages they'll accept. If a girl is say 23 it's pretty common that the only ages she says she'll accept are 19-26. If she's 27 then it's common that she's only looking for 22-30. Almost all girls in their 20s or early 30s put their hard cutoff at 36.

The girls in their early to mid 20s who set their spread at 18-40 usually strike me as big time time attention-whores.

Post: #5896

Quote:Women love to block people it's a tool in their arsenal and they love using it, if anything just to yield power.

It's a real passive aggressive move that serves no purpose other than to confirm their "rejection" of you. I've had no intention of seeing or messaging some chicks again, so blocking me is entirely redundant unless I've made myself a nuisance, which I haven't. You're right; it's just all about power.

For fun, try blocking them on whatsapp sometime and see the torrent of abuse they'll send you via text message. I've gotten walls of text after I've done this, telling me how *they* had rejected me just a few seconds before I had rejected them. Real angry venemous messages I've received.

Post: #5897

^ Crazy stuff! Whatsapp isn't big in the states since so many cell providers offer unlimited SMS...I'm sure girls have blocked me but I'd never know it, as your texts just get dumped into a black hole. OKCupid's messaging service works the same way. How do you know you're blocked? Does it actually notify the other person "This user has blocked you"? That's pretty messed up, but I can see how some people might get off on that.

These UK broads sound like they've got a bug up their ass. At least in New England I can recall very few times that a girl has gotten hostile with me via text. About the nastiest thing I ever received was a chick who texted me "Thanks, asshole" after I bailed out on a date I was running late for; but she was sending me pissy text messages for being late before I even got out of my car so I knew there wasn't any point in showing up.

Might just be a consequence of how in-demand they are. They couldn't give a shit if some rando blocks them or doesn't show up, there are ten more where that came from...not even worth the effort.

Things have been rocky with my first plate I had been seeing from OKC lately, so I've been hitting up the other girl I know in Providence more often. She wore a schoolgirl outfit for me the other night, which was nice. It's sometimes difficult to get up the motivation to drop back into it when one is getting good quasi-LTR pussy. Out of the 20 messages I sent above I still have one possible meet set up with a 26 y/o next week, but it's a longshot.

Post: #5898

(08-06-2016 10:32 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  ^ Crazy stuff! Whatsapp isn't big in the states since so many cell providers offer unlimited SMS...I'm sure girls have blocked me but I'd never know it, as your #

Most of uf have unlimited texts too, but what's appealing about Whatsapp is that it's a more organised way of communicating with all of your current or potential plates - nice list with photo of each person. Also, it shows if they received the message - and if they read the message. You can also see when they're actively online using the Whatsapp platform. These features can be disabled, but not many do. It's handy to know when you're being ignored or "deprioritised".

Post: #5899

Just trying latinamericancupid and colombian cupid...

Damn what's up with the lack of really attractive girls on these sites? Are they are like gold diggers from lower social classes?

Post: #5900

And what's up with the paying shit? I got a couple of messages within minutes of creating accounts but can't see them unless i pay. Seems fishy... not even sure if they're fake or real