Post: #1

I was surprised not to find a thread on it since I've read so many members mentioning how they were able to game a girl who resented them into loving them.

My question is how?

I get that some emotion is better than no emotion but how do I work with it?

Post: #2

(04-22-2014 02:52 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  I was surprised not to find a thread on it since I've read so many members mentioning how they were able to game a girl who resented them into loving them.

My question is how?

I get that some emotion is better than no emotion but how do I work with it?

It's true, in the sense that you don't waste time and ressources playing beta. Either the girl loves and f you or she goes f herself.

This kinda answers your own question. Turning hate into love is similar to trying to get out of the friendzone. Too much work for too little reward. Especially since if the girl hated you you didn't care about her anyway.

It works very well on mentally unstable girls. I know one and got entangled with her once. It was fucked up. Now I call her bitch in front of her friends, and she's showing me more interest than ever.

Trust me, don't mess with these girls. The drama ain't worth it. Your much better off sticking with basic seduction game rather than this whole hate/love.

A better concept would be push/pull. But I don't have to explain this to you now do I

Post: #3

(04-22-2014 07:03 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 02:52 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  I was surprised not to find a thread on it since I've read so many members mentioning how they were able to game a girl who resented them into loving them.

My question is how?

I get that some emotion is better than no emotion but how do I work with it?

It's true, in the sense that you don't waste time and ressources playing beta. Either the girl loves and f you or she goes f herself.

This kinda answers your own question. Turning hate into love is similar to trying to get out of the friendzone. Too much work for too little reward. Especially since if the girl hated you you didn't care about her anyway.

It works very well on mentally unstable girls. I know one and got entangled with her once. It was fucked up. Now I call her bitch in front of her friends, and she's showing me more interest than ever.

Trust me, don't mess with these girls. The drama ain't worth it. Your much better off sticking with basic seduction game rather than this whole hate/love.

A better concept would be push/pull. But I don't have to explain this to you now do I

would you mind explain it?

Post: #4

Point me to some of these threads you speak of.

WIA

Post: #5

tuth mentioned it in the thread about the girl who responded to his article with poetry. I'm going to have to go back and read some other threads and get back to you.

Post: #6

I think it's kinda like Roosh's epiphany in Bang where he realizes when he treated a girl poorly she began to seek his affection and attempted to grab his attention. People, especially women, like what they can't have and by ignoring her rather than orbiting her she was driven to get attention from him herself. Almost like male-pedestalization.

There's no secret formula though. When you show her no matter how much she hates that you don't give a shit, that's when she either begins to change her mind and attempts to strive for you or shuts you off entirely. It's dependent on the situation and her how she responds just like anything else.

Post: #7

A girl who "hates" you want's to hatefuck you in 80% of cases. Just be indifferent to her and happy with yourself and throw her a troll bone from time to time so she makes a fool of herself and she'll be trained to want you even more.

Post: #8

I've hooked up with girls that (supposedly) hated me. All the times I can think of we were both drunk at parties or bars and seemed to be getting along more than usual and then boom one thing led to another and we were making out. So I can only think there must be sexual tension in a lot of these situations.

That said, I think I've caused girls to be bitches to me when they probably didn't want to be in the first place. Just because I was being an antagonistic asshole. Or calling them out on their bullshit when others wouldn't.

A good side effect is that once you get it out of your system, it mellows out the bullshit, and even if you don't keep banging, she'll be more civil from then on. I've also noticed these girls do seem to really like you a lot in these situations - maybe because the emotional extremes.

Some girls really do treat guys they want to fuck like shit sometimes if he doesn't pursue her too. One of my best buddies was living with his girlfriend and her friend for a couple years. The friend was pretty young but definitely good-looking, but for some reason it just didn't do it for me.

I'm like that with some girls - if I'm not clicking with their personality, I won't pursue it even if it's available and she looks good. In contrast, I banged her sister and upstairs neighbor both a few different times (and at least one of her friends I can think of), and neither was nearly as good-looking as her, but I got along with them better and they didn't play games with me.

As you can imagine, the fact that I was willing to hook up with them and not her, when she was considerably hotter, probably had her hamster running itself into the dirt. She was kind of the princess type too, always getting spoiled by rich guys.

Anyways, I'd go over to her house just to hang with my boy, and in the beginning she'd throw out little flirts and hints that I'd just ignore and get more meanspirited as the night went on or as she got drunk. After a while, it got to the point where she was like that the entire time I was at her place, never letting up for a minute, and after a while it was so bad I just didn't stop by to see my homie anymore. Everyone that lived there knew exactly why she was being such a cunt to me, but that didn't stop her.

I guess I should have just fucked her at that point - the sex probably would have been killer - but the longer this went on I knew it was just going to make things worse and would really never be able to go over there. She just seemed like too much of a drama queen and I wanted nothing to do with it at that point in my life. Hell, there might have been a few times I was down but she couldn't turn off her antagonistic switch long enough for me to stay interested.

She grew up a little and doesn't act like that anymore. She's usually dating some rich guy but when not still hits me up on Facebook all the time talking about coming to Asia to visit me. I imagine someday when I'm back home I will ravage if we bump into each other somewhere.

As for direct advice on how to do it, fuck, I don't know. Don't ever take it too seriously, I guess, and be nice to her one night when you bump into her drunk. I'm sure someone with more game than I could find a way to penetrate the wall of hate - as for me, that kind of drama behavior annoys me too much so it just kind of has to happen spontaneously. I grew up in a small town so that scenario was probably just more likely in my situation.

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Post: #9

(04-23-2014 07:40 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I've hooked up with girls that (supposedly) hated me. All the times I can think of we were both drunk at parties or bars and seemed to be getting along more than usual and then boom one thing led to another and we were making out. So I can only think there must be sexual tension in a lot of these situations.

That said, I think I've caused girls to be bitches to me when they probably didn't want to be in the first place. Just because I was being an antagonistic asshole. Or calling them out on their bullshit when others wouldn't.

A good side effect is that once you get it out of your system, it mellows out the bullshit, and even if you don't keep banging, she'll be more civil from then on. I've also noticed these girls do seem to really like you a lot in these situations - maybe because the emotional extremes.

Some girls really do treat guys they want to fuck like shit sometimes if he doesn't pursue her too. One of my best buddies was living with his girlfriend and her friend for a couple years. The friend was pretty young but definitely good-looking, but for some reason it just didn't do it for me.

I'm like that with some girls - if I'm not clicking with their personality, I won't pursue it even if it's available and she looks good. In contrast, I banged her sister and upstairs neighbor both a few different times (and at least one of her friends I can think of), and neither was nearly as good-looking as her, but I got along with them better and they didn't play games with me.

As you can imagine, the fact that I was willing to hook up with them and not her, when she was considerably hotter, probably had her hamster running itself into the dirt. She was kind of the princess type too, always getting spoiled by rich guys.

Anyways, I'd go over to her house just to hang with my boy, and in the beginning she'd throw out little flirts and hints that I'd just ignore and get more meanspirited as the night went on or as she got drunk. After a while, it got to the point where she was like that the entire time I was at her place, never letting up for a minute, and after a while it was so bad I just didn't stop by to see my homie anymore. Everyone that lived there knew exactly why she was being such a cunt to me, but that didn't stop her.

I guess I should have just fucked her at that point - the sex probably would have been killer - but the longer this went on I knew it was just going to make things worse and would really never be able to go over there. She just seemed like too much of a drama queen and I wanted nothing to do with it at that point in my life. Hell, there might have been a few times I was down but she couldn't turn off her antagonistic switch long enough for me to stay interested.

She grew up a little and doesn't act like that anymore. She's usually dating some rich guy but when not still hits me up on Facebook all the time talking about coming to Asia to visit me. I imagine someday when I'm back home I will ravage if we bump into each other somewhere.

As for direct advice on how to do it, fuck, I don't know. Don't ever take it too seriously, I guess, and be nice to her one night when you bump into her drunk. I'm sure someone with more game than I could find a way to penetrate the wall of hate - as for me, that kind of drama behavior annoys me too much so it just kind of has to happen spontaneously. I grew up in a small town so that scenario was probably just more likely in my situation.

This is exactly why I said the girls who wanna fuck you out of spite are mentally unstable. I think you're better off not fucking her. We tend to think we can just pump and dump a girl, but who knows what shit she can pulls on you. I've had friends who got girls laying on top of their cars making a scene because he didn't call her; embarrass you in public/with your neighbor etc... Aint worth it.

To the OP: while a lot of human emotions lead to sexual tension and attraction (fear included) hate is not one of them. THose who do feel that kind of things are mentally unstable and potentially dangerous. Yes there are plenty of girls who will hate-fuck you, but there are 100x times more girls who will fuck you if you simply approach and run beginner game on them, so why the drama? It ain't worth it.

If you want an extreme example, I know a guy who hate-fucked a girl for ONS then cut her off, then wakes up 3 am one night at her staring down his face, standing right next to his bed... He had no idea how she even got to his house....