Post: #76

Military radar and satellite data suggests MH-370 traveled to all of the above checkpoints... way off course.

Reuters

Post: #77

With so many tensions in that part of the world (North Korean missiles, Japanese/American flights over disputed territory) it seems incredible that an unidentified aircraft can just come and go as it pleases.

I'm captivated by this story, not least because in my Asian trip last year I went to both KLIA and Beijing airports.

The terrain between Bangkok and KL was for the most part thick, mountainous jungle, so I guess a plane could crash there and not be detected for some time.

I keep thinking of that 70's disaster movie when the plane sinks to the bottom of the ocean and they're trying to escape. Not sure it would happen like this irl though.

Post: #78

It sure would be an awesome tale if the plane landed somewhere and the passengers were still alive.

Post: #79

anyone know the weather that night?

cloud cover is what im looking for.

I find it impossible a seasoned crew could get lost even after complete navigational failure if they could see the ground lights

Post: #80

My money is on air piracy.

I hope so - since they might still be alive.

Post: #81

piracy as far as hijack is unlikely.

piracy as in paying off the pilots...well that's some shit that would make a hell of a story.

Post: #82

some crazy stories do happen like this one in 1972 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes_flight_disaster where people had to eat each other to survive.

Post: #83

that was also with 40+ year old technology. commercial air has come a long way since then

Post: #84

(03-14-2014 05:53 PM)Malekhit Wrote:  some crazy stories do happen like this one in 1972 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes_flight_disaster where people had to eat each other to survive.

They'll live longer since the people are much fatter these days.

Post: #85

For the conspiracy guys: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1753.htm

"A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) states that Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll.

According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft “disappeared” in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.

Interesting to note, this report says, was that Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

Both Kennedy and Reynolds, this report says, were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

Upon GRU “assests” confirming that this “highly suspicious” cargo was aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on 8 March, this report notes, Moscow notified China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of their concerns and received “assurances” that “all measures” would be taken as to ascertain what was being kept so hidden when this aircraft entered into their airspace.

However, this report says, and as yet for still unknown reasons, the MSS was preparing to divert Flight 370 from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island).

Prior to entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.

Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts in this report say, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

China Mobile, it should be noted, extended phone coverage in the Spratly Islands in 2011 so that PLA soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen, and merchant vessels within the area would be able to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues.

As to how the US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia base, this report says, appears to have been accomplished remotely as this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft is equipped with a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.

However, this report notes, though this aircraft can be controlled remotely, the same cannot be said of its communication systems which can only be shut down manually; and in the case of Flight 370, its data reporting system was shut down at 1:07 a.m., followed by its transponder (which transmits location and altitude) which was shut down at 1:21 a.m.

What remains “perplexing” about this incident, GRU analysts in this report say, are why the American mainstream media outlets have yet to demand from the Obama regime the radar plots and satellite images of the Indian Ocean and South China Sea regions as the US military covers this entire area from Diego Garcia like no other seas in the world due to its vital shipping and air lanes.

Most sadly, this report concludes, the US is actually able to conceal the reason(s) for the “disappearance” of Flight 370 as they have already done so after the events of 11 September 2011 when the then Bush regime “disappeared” American Airlines Flight 77 and its 64 passengers and crew after falsely claiming it hit the Pentagon, but which was confirmed by the CNN News Service [see video HERE] not to have happened."

Post: #86

delete

Post: #87

people give the us government way to much credit when it comes to conspiracies

and way too little credit when it comes to everything else

Post: #88

This is very interesting Midnight! Thanks for posting this. I for one would not be surprised at all if this were true as the US government is more than capable of doing something like that given their very long track record...

Post: #89

(03-14-2014 03:56 PM)TopPanda Wrote:  I keep thinking of that 70's disaster movie when the plane sinks to the bottom of the ocean and they're trying to escape. Not sure it would happen like this irl though.

That sounds like a cool movie. Anybody got a name?

Post: #90

Breaking: officials now saying it was piracy/hijacking.

Edit: and now others are denying it.

Post: #91

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 hijacked, official says

Looks like it was hijacked after all. They are about to do an official press conference soon.

Post: #92

The stories keep changing as to what happened. To me hijacking makes the most sense.

Post: #93

If it's a hijacking and there are no demands then that leaves two possibilities;

1) The plane still didn't make it and crashed somewhere else
2) They haven't finished their plan and still have possession of the plane. If they only wanted the plane they could kill all the passengers by decompression.

Post: #94

Reports are saying the U.S. navy intercepted it

Post: #95

What if the plane is landed in Pakistan and is going to be used in another 9/11 style attack somewhere? A fully fueled 777 depending on model can fly over 20 hours non-stop. Which means the plane could be used to attack almost anywhere. Shit, what if they put a suitcase nuke in it bought from the Russian Mafia and then explode it over NYC. By the time the plane was in NYC airspace it would be too late. With the transponder off nobody would even know it's coming. I hope our government is considering this possibility, even if it is far-out. 9/11 would've sounded just as far-our before it happened.

Post: #96

I would love for the plane to have been hijacked because then these people might still be alive. The profit motive is possible, although the logistics required to sustain a planeload of people in a wilderness so remote that no radar could have tracked it are huge. Just imagine the amount of food, water and facilities you'd need.

As for terrorism, as in hijacking the plane just because of the plane, that seems unlikely. Getting a plane isn't so difficult in this age - one could always pool some drug money and get a used Gulfstream or an old military plane. The idea that it would make an especially good missile to slam into buildings is likewise of low probability. See what happened when the Tamil Tigers tried it 4 years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_suicid...on_Colombo

If the ragtag Sri Lanka military can stop such an attempt in its tracks, surely the U.S. with its incredible firepower and anti-air/missile systems could do better? If there had ever been an opportunity to crash the hijacked plane into a building, it was about half an hour after hijacking, when it could have flown into Shanghai or something.

Overall, the hijacking attempts might make some sense, but I don't see why no one would contact the authorities to gloat about it if that were the case. I still think that the plane crashed and is at the bottom of the ocean.

Post: #97

Yeah agree with you HCE, hopefully those people are still alive but let's be honest, this shit just gets weirder and weirder the longer the plane is not found. There's already Aliens memes going around.

Post: #98

Was talking to a family member today who is a retired pilot, about this, trained on 777 but retired before flying it. He said there is a panel outside of the cockpit that you can open to turn off all of the transponders etc that they have been talking about. All one needs is a) to know where it is b) know what to turn off and c) a special type of screwdriver to get the panel open. He also mentioned that there is a satellite uplink on the engines that sends maintenance status and codes back to the maintenance crew, you can't turn those off and they ran 7 hours after the plane dropped from radar.

Post: #99

(03-15-2014 04:06 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Was talking to a family member today who is a retired pilot, about this, trained on 777 but retired before flying it. He said there is a panel outside of the cockpit that you can open to turn off all of the transponders etc that they have been talking about. All one needs is a) to know where it is b) know what to turn off and c) a special type of screwdriver to get the panel open. He also mentioned that there is a satellite uplink on the engines that sends maintenance status and codes back to the maintenance crew, you can't turn those off and they ran 7 hours after the plane dropped from radar.

I think I forgot to add that by 'outside the cockpit' its on the passenger cabin side of the cockpit door, in the stewardess prep area, which is a dumb security design. They could have turned off the transponders and then smashed their way into the cockpit or, more likely it could have just been inside and a pilot walked back to the panel and switched it all off. I mean, what is the bribe price on a malaysian airlines pilot?

Post: #100

(03-15-2014 02:29 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  What if the plane is landed in Pakistan and is going to be used in another 9/11 style attack somewhere? A fully fueled 777 depending on model can fly over 20 hours non-stop. Which means the plane could be used to attack almost anywhere. Shit, what if they put a suitcase nuke in it bought from the Russian Mafia and then explode it over NYC. By the time the plane was in NYC airspace it would be too late. With the transponder off nobody would even know it's coming. I hope our government is considering this possibility, even if it is far-out. 9/11 would've sounded just as far-our before it happened.

An unknown aircraft entering US airspace would get shot down before it got anywhere near NY. They would see it on the military radar transponder or no transponder.