Post: #176

From what I've seen, an Anglo accent in the US will be received warmly from the get-go, day or night. Sometimes I feel like I'm on another planet when I see Anglo/Irish guys talking to American girls. They just naturally open up and get curious in a way that an American guy needs to work more for, hence the Travel section.

The Krauser model works best on feminine girls. American girls are always putting on a perception of being 'busy' because they think men find their CEO striving ambition attractive. I can't count how many times I've caught up to a girl only to have her walk around me and ask me to repeat myself, or accept the compliment, ignore the tease and keep going. I've played with body language, proximity, volume and eye contact but, on average, this is my experience as an American guy with American girl behavior towards direct daygame.

They have little sense of femininity and are always trying to one up you, even on the approach. Indirect seems to work better in the US, but if you're in a high traffic area, you're missing so many opportunities that indirect might not be suitable for.

Contrast all this with when I approached, on different occasions, a Norwegian model, Polish nurse and Khazak tourist who have literally stopped what they're doing, looked at me and listened attentively. They get the male-female dynamic more than the average American girl. They prioritize intimacy over looking busy. I didn't have to have massive muscles, a 3 piece tailored tweed suit nor the mega high energy of a clown to talk to them. I saw what I liked and went for it and was not treated with suspicion because of it.

Another problem is coming up with a genuine compliment for an American girl. She's already had her ego over-inflated from birth, and you don't want to shower her with attention, so you have to think of something unique but not try hard, relevant but not eager. By the time you figure something out, she's power jogging 3 blocks down. The most attractive part will be something physical about her, which is drilled into their heads to not praise over brains and her CV, even though we all think it.

Maybe I'm weaseling at not getting good daygaming American girls, but having a read at Krauser's caricature of the 'American girl' in Mastery just confirms my suspicion that they're headaches to deal with.

The most feminine American girls I've daygamed have been Southern girls. East/West coast girls have status and ambition on their minds. If you like those kind of girls, go to an alcoholic environment and go for the kill. I choose to save myself the emotional drain from dealing with her in the daytime. Hipster girls are also more open to direct daygame, though the quality can be questionable.

All in all, there's nothing more sweet than stopping a hot foreign girl on the street as the legion of American girls walk by, suddenly feeling warm to an approach because the attention is not on them.

Post: #177

I don't remember seeing any videos or layout reports of Krauser on American girls. Europe is a piece of cake compared to America, at least for me.

Post: #178

unbowed I have to agree with you but I never had your problems because of my anglo accent helping me out. I found america much easier than Europe. People think picking up in Eastern Europe is easy but it's not. It's easier to get lays in the UK and America.

Post: #179

Question for Krauser: I see on your site Daygame Nitro, which you label as intermediate daygame. Do you have plans for beginner daygame book? Or is Daygame Nitro sufficient for that?
Thanks.

Post: #180

How many approaches have you done Snakebite? for Nitro, I'd say 100 approaches and you'd be ready.

Post: #181

(07-01-2014 07:51 PM)bojangles Wrote:  unbowed I have to agree with you but I never had your problems because of my anglo accent helping me out. I found america much easier than Europe. People think picking up in Eastern Europe is easy but it's not. It's easier to get lays in the UK and America.

I haven't gamed in the UK but would like to give it a shot for comparison (if anything to flag hunt than talk to British girls, who I haven't been impressed by in the US).

America is easy if the girl's attracted to you, the trick is getting that attraction through (especially in the daytime). I think an Anglo accent in the US is good chick crack that gives a tighter hook. Hell, even American guys get amazed at an Anglo/Irish accent (we do the best worst impressions of them).

I haven't made extensive rounds into Eastern Europe (yet) but have definitely felt more love abroad (Roosh's EC Test) as well as in the US from this demographic. Hell, I got pissed off at the subway yesterday and while everyone avoided eye contact, this Serbian girl opens me and starts bantering with me.

Eastern Europe may not bang as fast, but in my experience, a hook is stronger with an Eastern European girl than it is with an American girl. I recently took a trip overseas and pinged back some #s I got before I left. No response from any American girl. Japanese girl? Response. Ukrainian girl? Response. American girls are very whimsical, which is why I try to avoid them in the day and go for a drunken SNL at best. In that regard, it's easy.

(07-01-2014 07:16 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I don't remember seeing any videos or layout reports of Krauser on American girls. Europe is a piece of cake compared to America, at least for me.

The daygame.com guys had some promo videos in NYC, looks like they had fun. The best one I saw was Tom Torero stopping a tall, southern girl. It'd be interesting if Krauser came over for a New York jaunt. But with Belgrade, Prague and such so close to London, why bother?

Post: #182

(07-01-2014 08:02 PM)OBJ Snakebite Wrote:  Question for Krauser: I see on your site Daygame Nitro, which you label as intermediate daygame. Do you have plans for beginner daygame book? Or is Daygame Nitro sufficient for that?
Thanks.

As a customer, I can say that Nitro is only "intermediate" in the sense that it helps to understand a few basic terms like state, inner game, DHV, which you probably already know.

If you know those terms, then it is perfectly fine for beginners.

He even spends time early in Nitro reviewing approach anxiety, which seems tailored towards beginners but of course is always a good pep talk.

Given that these books are only available in physical format and cost a lot more than Roosh's material, I think the better question would be, is Nitro truly a prerequisite for Mastery?

Post: #183

(07-01-2014 07:12 PM)unbowed Wrote:  Maybe I'm weaseling at not getting good daygaming American girls

I respectfully agree with you.

I think you are "weaseling" at not getting good at day gaming American girls.

American girls are the easiest girls on Earth, right?

Which girls are easier than American girls? The list is short..

Generally speaking, they might not be as pleasant or as feminine as European girls but.. they are easier to fuck.

Many guys complain about American girls but I think this is because they take the wrong approach to approaching them.

Krauser's style was developed in Europe and I think it works best in Europe. (it also works here but it we must calibrate it to fit our american environment and social climate)

Also, many guys complain about American girls but these complaints often come from the most beta of American men.

Ask the American men who have game, they will tell you that they have more pussy than they can handle.

American girls are easy, you just have learn how to deal with them.

Post: #184

(07-01-2014 08:02 PM)OBJ Snakebite Wrote:  Question for Krauser: I see on your site Daygame Nitro, which you label as intermediate daygame. Do you have plans for beginner daygame book? Or is Daygame Nitro sufficient for that?
Thanks.

A genuine beginner's book is in process, but it's probably too basic for RVF guys. It'll be much shorter than Nitro and Mastery.

Post: #185

(07-02-2014 04:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Many guys complain about American girls but I think this is because they take the wrong approach to approaching them.

Krauser's style was developed in Europe and I think it works best in Europe. (it also works here but it we must calibrate it to fit our american environment and social climate)

Do you think direct daygame is overkill on American girls? The majority of my American rejections are almost instantaneous, like as soon as they hear the compliment they shut down (and for the record, I'm not spamming "hijustsawyouwantedtosay... you look french ).

Most of my hooks with direct approaches are with hipster or foreign girls, definitely not a 'typical' American girl. And I don't want to be locked into a niche, if I find a girl attractive, I approach regardless. I was flipping stones today and managed a number from a gym girl, so who knows.

I think some tweaking is necessary in direct daygaming an American girl as an American guy using the Krauser method. I just got back from northern Europe, arguably a 'feminist' bastion, and Krauser's style was received with open arms (probably a result of mild exotic factor + the method). If anything, indirect approaches were received poorly, leaving the girl confused and making it difficult to transition.

I get IOIs from American girls on the street, it's not like I'm a ghost, but I think a compliment is too much to handle. They don't know how to react asides from "thank you!!" and walking off. They're probably thinking "please be cool please be cool eww a compliment, wTF?"

(07-02-2014 04:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Also, many guys complain about American girls but these complaints often come from the most beta of American men.

Roosh talked about this and what you're saying relates to this. In the US, going direct in terms of going up to a girl and delivering a compliment is "beta". It's not cool to them, it's puppy doggish or lame. I involve teasing with the compliment but too many American girls take the compliment while ignoring the tease, effectively shutting down the interaction.

(07-02-2014 04:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  American girls are easy, you just have learn how to deal with them.

What do you consider the "right" approach to American girls, specifically with direct daygame? For me, doing things "right" with an American girl (that is, getting results) either involves being indirect in an indoor venue (slow, low ROI from my experience) or going hard at night game, tease and all (fast, harsh, unhealthy but effective).

My underlying problem right now is that my lifestyle and logistics aren't sorted out. I think this is subliminally affecting my vibe. Maybe it's time to step back on the approaching and put the house in order. When I take a trip, having a centrally located pad "just down the street" frees my mind up in ways I can't imagine back home. Having a commute and a boss also add to the vibe-suck.

Post: #186

I'm really looking forward to when/if an e-book version comes out for this book.

A physical copy isn't an option for me.

Post: #187

(07-02-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  Do you think direct daygame is overkill on American girls?

Yes.

Unless you can do it from a place of superiority.

Most guys do it from a place of inferiority.

(07-02-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  The majority of my American rejections are almost instantaneous

I suspect that you are being a little too needy and too supplicating.

You are complimenting them and "kissing their ass".

They often view this as "beta".

(07-02-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  What do you consider the "right" approach to American girls, specifically with direct daygame?

The right approach is to:

- Be good looking and/or high status

- Not put her on a pedestal

- Not be needy

- Act superior to her

- Act like the interaction is just random and its no big deal

(07-02-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  My underlying problem right now is that my lifestyle and logistics aren't sorted out.

This is your biggest problem.

It's hard to act superior when you don't have your shit together.

(07-02-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  Maybe it's time to step back on the approaching and put the house in order.

No.

Keep approaching..

And, get your house in order!

Do both.

Post: #188

(07-03-2014 02:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I suspect that you are being a little too needy and too supplicating. You are complimenting them and "kissing their ass". They often view this as "beta".

The right approach is to:
- Be good looking and/or high status
- Not put her on a pedestal
- Not be needy
- Act superior to her
- Act like the interaction is just random and its no big deal

So going up to a girl and declaring my intent through a compliment/tease with deep eye contact and relaxed body language is needy, pedastalizing and downright beta since I am not a male 9.99/high baller. But if I caught her on the train and asked if she had a good bag, then everything's peachy. But I can go up to a foreign girl and be "pedastalizing, needy and beta" and have a better chance than with an American girl. Asides from the logisitical issue, it sounds like I'm back at square one. I'm not weaseling out of American girls apparently, I just have to ignore them on the street and catch them in a "random non-needy" situation.

Luckily the more I approach, the less I care.

(07-03-2014 02:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  This is your biggest problem. It's hard to act superior when you don't have your shit together.

... No. Keep approaching.. And, get your house in order! Do both.

Easier said than done in an expensive east coast city. I do what I can, in the meantime, away games it is.

Thanks for the back and forth; time for some deeper introspection.

Post: #189

(07-03-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 02:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I suspect that you are being a little too needy and too supplicating. You are complimenting them and "kissing their ass". They often view this as "beta".

The right approach is to:
- Be good looking and/or high status
- Not put her on a pedestal
- Not be needy
- Act superior to her
- Act like the interaction is just random and its no big deal

So going up to a girl and declaring my intent through a compliment/tease with deep eye contact and relaxed body language is needy, pedastalizing and downright beta since I am not a male 9.99/high baller. But if I caught her on the train and asked if she had a good bag, then everything's peachy. But I can go up to a foreign girl and be "pedastalizing, needy and beta" and have a better chance than with an American girl. Asides from the logisitical issue, it sounds like I'm back at square one. I'm not weaseling out of American girls apparently, I just have to ignore them on the street and catch them in a "random non-needy" situation.

Luckily the more I approach, the less I care.

(07-03-2014 02:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  This is your biggest problem. It's hard to act superior when you don't have your shit together.

... No. Keep approaching.. And, get your house in order! Do both.

Easier said than done in an expensive east coast city. I do what I can, in the meantime, away games it is.

Thanks for the back and forth; time for some deeper introspection.

Seems pretty clear from over here. You're simply not hot enough for American girls.

Go to where you're liked.

Complicated eh?

If you're white go to DR, Russia, Brazil, wherever you stand out, that's IF you have the money and want to play this game of shooting out of your league.

Post: #190

I follow Krauser's model and I actually have better success with American girls then foreign. In my area downtown area where I DG there are 3 english as a second language schools so I have plenty of access to new foreigners.

The 3 factors that I believe gets me American girls now is
1. get ripped
2. have good style
3. big huge brass balls

When I first started I was muscular but a bit pudgy, style was above frat guys but nothing awesome, and I was still a bit nervous. The moment I got those 3 in check American girls became so much easier. I'm also a short 5'5 filipino so it's not like I have the tall white good looking guy thing going for me.

(07-02-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  Do you think direct daygame is overkill on American girls? The majority of my American rejections are almost instantaneous, like as soon as they hear the compliment they shut down (and for the record, I'm not spamming "hijustsawyouwantedtosay... you look french ).

Post: #191

(07-03-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  So going up to a girl and declaring my intent through a compliment/tease with deep eye contact and relaxed body language is needy and pedastalizing

It all depends how you do it..

This is art, not science.

A few things stand out to me..

(07-03-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  going up to a girl

Do run over to her and jump in front of her? (Yad stop)

If so, this might be a little much for American girls.

It's often better to make the first contact seem more casual or random.

(07-03-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  declaring my intent through a compliment/tease

Compliments can work, but, again, it all depends how the compliment is given. Most guys do it in a needy sort of way.

Teasing is usually a good idea but if you are running up to a girl, complimenting her, and then teasing her.. she might get the sense that you are trying to hard. It might seem forced to her.

(07-03-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  deep eye contact

Be careful with this.

American girls can get "creeped out" if stare at them to intently early in the interaction.

(07-03-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  But if I caught her on the train and asked if she had a good bag, then everything's peachy.

You are over simplifying.

The train doesn't matter.

Her bag doesn't matter.

What matters is that you are not OVER-INFLATING her value.

When you run up to an American girl, jump in front of her, compliment her, stare into her eyes, etc.. You are often over-inflating her value.

American girls already think they are special, they don't need a man to remind them.

Treat her like she is inferior to you.

This is often more curious, more interesting, and more fascinating to her.

(07-03-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  I just have to ignore them on the street and catch them in a "random non-needy" situation.

No. Do not ignore them on the street.

Just approach them in a less needy way.

(07-03-2014 07:49 PM)unbowed Wrote:  Easier said than done in an expensive east coast city.

I live in San Francisco.

One of the most expensive cities in the world.

In these expensive places.. Logistics is game.

Having a decent apartment in a decent part of town is in itself a display of our value and social intelligence.

If you don't have much money and you don't have a place to take a girl, gaming becomes even more difficult.

Get your logistics squared away. This will make getting sex much easier.

-----

I'm not sure if these things apply to you?

I did make some assumptions here..

Forgive me if some of this does not apply to your situation.

I look forward to discussing this further.

*****

(07-04-2014 12:11 AM)Thug Muffin Wrote:  The 3 factors that I believe gets me American girls now is
1. get ripped
2. have good style
3. big huge brass balls

I must agree.

These things have helped me a great deal with American girls.

Post: #192

So I hit the streets hard yesterday and managed a # from an American hippie girl, a coffee idate with an Australian girl, idate with a punk girl, and an evening drink/makeout session with a German girl. Hippie girl's a slow burner, Aussie dropped a BF bomb 20min in, and punk couldn't wait an hour so she hooked up with another guy. German wants to get a bottle of wine in the near future. The unifying factor for the hooks? All creative types of some sort who respond well to charisma and conversation. The model works, and I don't discourage anyone from trying it out based on my troubleshooting comments.

(07-04-2014 12:51 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  A few things stand out to me..
Do run over to her and jump in front of her? (Yad stop)
If so, this might be a little much for American girls.
It's often better to make the first contact seem more casual or random.

I've played with several approaches, from running up to catching up shoulder to shoulder, to directly walking up indoors. I'm not getting harsh rejections like "fuck off" but as you say, it seems high pressure for them as they shut off and leave. Indirect has worked out better in general (99% of the time indoors, never on the street), but after 18 months I got tired and thought "what else can I do?" I like the thrill of knowing off the bat if you're in or not with direct game, but it seems I'm not really knowing as I'm fitting a square peg in a circle with American girls. I'm not huge or Adonis looking, but girls don't look away either. It's kind of funny actually, like they're rooting for me to do something, but the direct approach nukes their brain.

(07-04-2014 12:51 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Compliments can work, but, again, it all depends how the compliment is given. Most guys do it in a needy sort of way.

Teasing is usually a good idea but if you are running up to a girl, complimenting her, and then teasing her.. she might get the sense that you are trying to hard. It might seem forced to her.

... Be careful with this. American girls can get "creeped out" if stare at them to intently early in the interaction.

This all matches my experience. American girls, while huffing and puffing their strength and independence, are quite fragile creatures. Roosh's concept of "scaring the cat" describes them to a tee in the daytime.

Maybe it's a part of American culture in general. Beating around the bush, being political, under-the-radar indirect is seen as smooth and cool. My switch to direct came from not wanting to wasting time. I can't hang around coffee shops and bookstores waiting for a bite. Steering the conversatoin with indirect felt too slow and convoluted. But it seems that for me, that's what works with American girls in the daytime, on average.

(07-03-2014 08:34 PM)Zep Wrote:  If you're white go to DR, Russia, Brazil, wherever you stand out, that's IF you have the money and want to play this game of shooting out of your league.

(07-04-2014 12:51 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I live in San Francisco.
One of the most expensive cities in the world.
In these expensive places.. Logistics is game.

Having a decent apartment in a decent part of town is in itself a display of our value and social intelligence.

If you don't have much money and you don't have a place to take a girl, gaming becomes even more difficult.

Get your logistics squared away. This will make getting sex much easier.

This is a game I will gladly set myself up to play. A big reason my logistics suck right now is because I'm in saving mode, which gives me some cash for trips where the high rent would burn through much of what I make in my current situation. I'm in my mid-20s so I still have a lot of growing to do, financially, gamewise and other.

(07-04-2014 12:51 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I'm not sure if these things apply to you?
I did make some assumptions here..
Forgive me if some of this does not apply to your situation.
I look forward to discussing this further.

There were things you said that I was already aware of, but it's good to be reminded again. I got so wrapped up in being direct that I ignored how fragile American girls can be. It's interesting how Roosh and Krauser's styles developed through different circumstances. It seems I'm stuck in the middle

(07-04-2014 12:11 AM)Thug Muffin Wrote:  The 3 factors that I believe gets me American girls now is
1. get ripped
2. have good style
3. big huge brass balls

American girls are definitely more aesthetic; charisma and conversation skills seem secondary. Suiting up at night and being direct has been more well received for me.

Post: #193

(07-04-2014 03:57 PM)unbowed Wrote:  the direct approach nukes their brain.

It's not the direct approach that "nukes their brain".

It's the way in which you do the direct approach.

- What is the social climate at that moment?

- How well do you fit into that social climate?

- What is your perceived value in that social environment?

- Do you appear out of place or "odd" in that social environment?

- How do you initiate the interaction?

- How are you dressed?

- How is your vibe and body language?

- How "zen" and at ease do you appear?

etc.

It's not as simple as direct vs indirect.

It's much more subtle and based a lot in "micro communications".

Direct game absolutely works on American girls. It just has to be calibrated for American culture and personalities.

(07-04-2014 03:57 PM)unbowed Wrote:  American girls are definitely more aesthetic;

Yes, looks matter, a lot.

Every girl wants to post pictures of herself with a cute boy.

(07-04-2014 03:57 PM)unbowed Wrote:  charisma and conversation skills seem secondary.

They might seem secondary to you right now but they are crucial to banging American girls.

American girls crave charisma, just a slightly different brand of charisma as compared to European girls.

Conversation is essential to getting sex. It is never secondary.

I suspect that your vibe is still calibrated for Europe.

With more experience, you will quickly learn the rhythm and tone of American sexual politics.

Post: #194

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  It's the way in which you do the direct approach.
- What is the social climate at that moment?
- How well do you fit into that social climate?

Lately dog eat dog high traffic street areas. Unless a girl really strikes me at an indoor venue to go direct, I try and keep it indirect, as I like to go to some places more than once a lifetime.

As for how well do I fit in? I look like a guy that could be working or lounging about. Something looks "off" in the sense that I try and avoid being eaten by the crowd.

Psychologically, I don't fit into the social climate at all. I don't want to be in the US at this point in time.

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  - What is your perceived value in that social environment?

Hard to gauge but I notice polarizing looks and behaviors (head down, bizarre head turn, girls walking nearer to me if I'm dressed up or if I'm walking slowly and deliberatley) - very dependent on time of day and what I'm wearing.

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  - Do you appear out of place or "odd" in that social environment?

Definitely and many a bang have commented on my weirdness relative to the guys they meet. Somewhere inbetween "hipster" and "douche" depending on how I'm calibrating.

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  - How do you initiate the interaction?

Depends on the situation, but usually something along the lines of "Hey/Excuse me, I want to tell you something"

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  - How are you dressed?

Anywhere from non-banker suit to v-neck and jeans. Been experimenting with the ring/bracelet combo and noticing more questions. (girls love shiny things)...

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  - How is your vibe and body language?
- How "zen" and at ease do you appear?

This is my big concern. Vibe is shakier during work hours, body language can be stiff (I try and be out of the office as much as possible, I'm leaving cubicle life before the year's up).

I've considered saving my energy on the commute/lunch hour as I don't like to be pressed for time. I do better when I have "time" to daygame. I'm a very focused person and have a hard time transitioning from the task at hand to socializing. I'm better when I have a clean slate to do what I want. "Business before pleasure" you may say. I'm not the kind of guy who can get a 3 minute # close; if I didn't at least get into rapport during the interaction, the # might as well be useless.

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Direct game absolutely works on American girls. It just has to be calibrated for American culture and personalities.

Break this down if you can. How would you calibrate being direct for the American culture/personality? I'd be especially interested if you have something to say about the street, particularly in high traffic areas.

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I suspect that your vibe is still calibrated for Europe.

With more experience, you will quickly learn the rhythm and tone of American sexual politics.

Well my mind is still in Europe. I have little desire to calibrate to the US social climate, it's something I actively avoid ingratiating myself into. Roosh syndrome may be cockblocking me as I'm aware of my environment but don't have the desire to merge with it. I guess this is why my American successes stem from the night rather than the day.

When I go out at night, American girls mistake me for a foreigner initially (always British when I sleekly comb my hair and don a blazer.) Foreign girls think I can't be American because I speak too clearly. Oh well.

My first SDL was with an American girl fwiw.

Post: #195

How are you getting on?

Post: #196

(07-04-2014 06:58 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  - How "zen" and at ease do you appear?

Giovonny, thank you very much for posting this!
It has opened my eyes to a personal sticking point as I would typically feel "shifty" when approaching.
Now I focus on relaxing. The result (over about 25 approaches) has been less stress, more enjoyment, more energy and better reactions.

Post: #197

How is everyone going with Krauser's direct approach?

From my experience recently, I've had most success when I've fused Roosh's indirect opener with Krauser's approach (subcommunication/vibe).

I've found girls aren't as responsive to cold reading on the street, and it's much easier to get a conversation happening with an elderly opener, transitioning to a more sexual vibe if she hangs around.

Even with a push/pull - Just feel like I'm feeding her ego too much with the cold reading.

But awesome point by Krauser on addressing the elephant in the room when you see a girl waiting around by herself - wasn't doing that before.

Post: #198

If he wants $100 for a book he should have some form of warranty as this proves that you have time to try it out and if it doesn't help get your money returned.

Post: #199

(07-17-2014 11:01 AM)Xm24 Wrote:  If he wants $100 for a book he should have some form of warranty as this proves that you have time to try it out and if it doesn't help get your money returned.

Don't buy the book.

He is offering you the world's best daygame knowledge. I haven't seen a single bad review from anyone who purchased it.

But you won't get your money back.

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #200

Has anyone read the 2nd edition of his previous book Daygame Nitro? http://www.lulu.com/shop/nick-krauser/da...66225.html

There arent very many reviews for it online so I was seeing what RVFers had to say about it.