Post: #1301

(04-11-2016 11:56 AM)asdfk Wrote:  This evening, I picked up a girl in a convenience store. Took her back to my place after 20 minutes of Google Translate. Unfortunately I got an unholy amount of LMR. It took too long so we went for food.
I couldn't figure out where I went wrong with the LMR. Is there a cultural thing with Japanese girls in Tokyo that I should be aware of when escalating?

PUA theory would say that it was a lack of comfort. Even if she's really attracted to you she's not going to necessarily want to just fuck you outright after 20 minutes just because you had a broken conversation via google translate. This is where knowing the local language would help. Barring that maybe bounce her to a few different places before taking her home.

Post: #1302

(04-13-2016 10:55 AM)Unkown_Killa Wrote:  got any names of some decent ones in harajuku cascade?

I got stuck on one in Harajuku. Can't say I went around to others but this was was a tiny place run by some metal band and they had a tiny little white bird flying around for girls to play with when I brought em there.

Name of the place was Roots.
http://www2.hp-ez.com/hp/caferoots/page1

Post: #1303

Guys, what would your top advice be for a date with a Japanese girl?

Post: #1304

(04-14-2016 01:23 AM)Unkown_Killa Wrote:  Guys, what would your top advice be for a date with a Japanese girl?

Perhaps it might be...to use the search function.

Post: #1305

I'm not sure if a sofa and kind of bar style works. I mostly when to some Izakaya, I spot some nice ones, and we had something to eat and drink. After I made a location move. Depending how it went first, I already grab her hand. After the second I say, lets go for a walk. There I grab her hand for your and got the kiss. From the kiss to sex its then a very short step. It did not always work with sex but I had second dates as well.
But most are down to fuck when they meet you and you don't mess it up. Of course I had also dates where you did know, its not working. Bad chemistry or so. One was with an american-japanese girl. Worst date ever.

Short before I left Japan, I had a date with a J-girl that was my size or even a little taller. Made me very horny. She then gave me a blowjob in a street corner. A pity that I had to leave then. If I could have stay longer, I could set up a second date and bang her. Japan is more a long term women paradise. For short trips its kinda hard.

Post: #1306

Japan has been strucked by 2 successive earthquakes on April 14th and 16th 2016 respectively. While initially my travels would take me to Kumamoto and other parts of Southern Kyushu, I am now putting my travels to these regions on hold while I scan the news and info from my contacts in Japan in the upcoming months before deciding if I would go ahead with my travel plans. As of now, my plans are still confirmed for Tokyo and all other places on Honshu and Fukuoka as my main base for Kyushu.

Its sad how disaster can strike so easily and while Japan has experienced and recovered from multiple quakes throughout her history, it is still sometimes unbearable to see the destruction that follows in the aftermath of a disaster. My maternal family is from Kobe, the area where the 1995 Hanshin Earthquake destroyed my family's home in Kobe and took the lives of my grandmother and my uncle. To those on RVF who are currently residing in Japan, especially Kumamoto or just Kyushu region, take care and I wish you well.

Post: #1307

I'll be in Tokyo at least until mid may. Anyone want to meet up?
PS: the girl I picked up at 7-11... I was not looking for generic game advice, but for specific advice on Japanese girls that might have influenced losing this bang. If it was any other girl, I give it a 90% of not going down the same way. If it did, it would - as high suggested - be a matter of going to fast for the bang. Still it was a very cool experience. A very nice make out and she tried her best to stuff me with alcohol and sushi. And she had a great ass. Too bad we didn't fuck.

Post: #1308

(04-17-2016 10:44 AM)asdfk Wrote:  I'll be in Tokyo at least until mid may. Anyone want to meet up?
PS: the girl I picked up at 7-11... I was not looking for generic game advice, but for specific advice on Japanese girls that might have influenced losing this bang. If it was any other girl, I give it a 90% of not going down the same way. If it did, it would - as high suggested - be a matter of going to fast for the bang. Still it was a very cool experience. A very nice make out and she tried her best to stuff me with alcohol and sushi. And she had a great ass. Too bad we didn't fuck.

damn, sorry to hear

when in May are you planning on leaving? I'm looking to get there on the 18th of May leaving the 25th

Post: #1309

i will be gone by then

Post: #1310

(04-17-2016 10:44 AM)asdfk Wrote:  ...PS: the girl I picked up at 7-11... I was not looking for generic game advice, but for specific advice on Japanese girls that might have influenced losing this bang...

I think you will find that you are more likely to receive generic advice, such as:

(04-13-2016 12:44 PM)the high Wrote:  PUA theory would say that it was a lack of comfort. Even if she's really attracted to you she's not going to necessarily want to just fuck you outright after 20 minutes just because you had a broken conversation via google translate. This is where knowing the local language would help…

...after posting a generic interaction:

(04-11-2016 11:56 AM)asdfk Wrote:  …I picked up a girl in a convenience store. Took her back to my place after 20 minutes of Google Translate. Unfortunately I got an unholy amount of LMR. It took too long so we went for food. I couldn't figure out where I went wrong with the LMR. Is there a cultural thing with Japanese girls in Tokyo that I should be aware of when escalating?

So, sometime after a “bang trip” to the Philippines (super fun indeed =), you went to Japan. Whilst there you pulled a Japanese chick from a convenience store after 20 minutes of communication through a translation app (very nice work =)... yet upon facing LMR you deemed it 'unholy', mystifying, and considered attributing it to a 'cultural thing'.



Sorry, I couldn't help myself there.

*ahem*

Now on a broader note:

How do Japan and the Philippines compare?

Whilst both countries share a number of similar features -- for instance, a preference for the strict maintenance of "face" or deference to elders -- there are numerous, significant differences that have according implications for travel and game. The most simple contrast to draw is through economic indicators; aside from tiny and therefore largely-abberant Singapore and Brunei, Japan is easily the most economically and socially advanced country in Asia, whereas the Philippines lies at the other end of the spectrum.

Two statistical comparisons [ref 1] help to illustrate this fact:

1. Population below international poverty line of US$1.25 per day, 2009-2012:
* Japan: "data not available" or, in other words, < 1%
* Philippines: 18%

2. GNI per capita [ref 2] (in USD), 2013:
* Japan: $46,140
* Philippines: $3,270

Expecting attractive Japanese girls to relate let alone sleep with you with similar ease to those from the Philippines perhaps reflects a serious over-generalisation and simplification of how, pre-arrival, you seemed to conceptualize 'Asia' or even 'game'.

Are lay reports reliable?

I recall a few reports in the S.E. Asia threads that portray the writer as doing not much more than showing up, pulling the girl back, and getting the bang. Even if a summarized as-it-happened description is provided, these type of reports offer little in the way of highlighting the nuances behind the lay or a clear avenue for providing feedback. Whether this relates to reasonable concerns over privacy or conversely to laziness, dishonest ego-stroking or other factors, it nonetheless seems to encourage the mindset of expecting quick, easy, flyover lays across Asia.

Another problem here, is not just the argument of stated quality versus objective quantity, but also the limited utility of generalization across the most populous continent on Earth.

Now, Asdfk, I may be completely wrong about your expectations for getting laid in Japan. After all there is only so much that can be gleaned through a few bursts of text. That said, based on your last few posts alone, it appears to me that you expected "just turn up” game to work wonders as it did in the Philippines.

In closing:

• RVF Member The High mentioned 2 broad yet key solutions to your LMR: learn the language and gain genuine comfort.
• Neither of these, especially the first, are quick-fix solutions so for the sake of your own happiness [ref 3], I would suggest lowering your expectations a notch or two.

A broader summary:

• Don't expect to bang hot girls quickly in a foreign, well-developed country without knowing the local language or enjoying serious social
proof.
• Having top tier game can also help considerably, no doubt, but even with strong player skills, being monolingual and isolated in a non-English speaking country can be challenging to put it mildly.
• Whilst the cognitive ability to generalize is key in moving quickly through the world [ref 4], making conclusions about "Asians" is going to have similarly limited value for decision-making based on broad strokes about women from "Europe", "Latin America" etc. Yes it can help, but considering the specific context will probably be more useful.

References:

1. Unicef (2013). Country statistics: Philippines Economic Indicators. State of The World's Children 2015 Country Statistical tables [Excel - LINK.

2. Unicef (2016). "Basic Indicators: GNI" - LINK.

3. Rutledge et al (2014). “A computational and neural model of momentary subjective well-being” - LINK.

Quote:Conscious emotional feelings, such as momentary happiness, are core to the ebb and flow of human mental experience. Our computational model suggests momentary happiness is a state that reflects not how well things are going but instead whether things are going better than expected. This includes positive and negative expectations, even in the absence of outcomes. Our results are in accord with well-being studies suggesting that the ongoing state of happiness varies around a hedonic set point...

4. T. Fawcett et al., (2014). 'The evolution of decision rules in complex environments" - LINK.

Quote:...a generalised response to external cues may be favoured by natural selection if, on average, those cues reliably indicate a change in environmental conditions.

Post: #1311

^^ The first part of the post made me smile :-)

Maybe I should have mentioned that, before I went to the Philippines, I pulled 3-4 new girls a week in Western and Eastern Europe for the last 6 months. So I have some reference in what to expect. But before I'd generalise this pick-up, I wanted to check if they were cultural factors at play I was unaware of.

Having said that: your response made it clear that my initial post was very short and indeed suggesting I expected "just show up-"game. To be clear: I invited her over for drinks after 20 minutes. We spent 30-45 minutes before I did a first compliance check and 45 minutes before I did a second one. It was relatively short so I wasn't too broken up about losing it. However I figured I might as well run it by the more experienced J-lovers to see if there's something I'm missing or it indeed, as has been suggested, was a comfort issue.
After those 2 hours I was very hungry, so I suggested to get some food. We went to a sushi place where she introduced me to all the dishes, tried to teach me to eat with chopsticks and afterwards took care of the tab. So it wasn't that bad.

Post: #1312

(04-18-2016 09:14 AM)asdfk Wrote:  ...

I want to acknowledge your level-headed, mature response to my feedback. Respect.

P.S. 78+ girls in 6 months, if true, is an epic haul worthy of detailed re-telling here on the forum.

Post: #1313

Oops. Again, I wrote too hastily. I pulled 3-4 girls a week if I was going out during the previous 6 months. There were months when work was more important and I didn't go out at all. So not even close to 78 girls in that period.

Post: #1314

3-4 girls a week is still an extraordinary feat even if you're doing it only 'when you're going out." That's like saying "I don't normally gamble much but the rare times I do, I make a couple grand in a week" *shrugs*

While this is a Japan thread, I would read your contributions on any European threads or hell if you started your own thread to talk about how you pull 3-4 girls a week whenever you're out playing.

Post: #1315

After moving back to the states from Osaka I am starting to get extremely homesick.

I miss all the tiny bars I'd chill and the people that would flow through.
Been reading Sargon's thread. /thread-21902...bang+osaka
Only halfway through but damn, the dude is not a quitter.

http://nubreednampa.blogspot.jp/2009_10_01_archive.html

This got linked in there, and resounds with something I had come to realize. Which was also probably one of my favorite compliments.
There were a few occasions where I'd have girls literally stop what they were doing and tell me they just not remembered that I was a gaijin.

Quote: Josh and Cody snicker at the girls for being with the Chinese guys because they're different and not cool like them.

Something that I've seen and recognized but haven't had an issue with since the first year I had been in Osaka. It's hard to have guys talking shit about you when you're in small places and making a point to be interacting with everyone around you leading the room, or having friends who could do the same or better.

Now I think I'll go browse ticket prices for Osaka.

Post: #1316

I will be making my first trip to Tokyo to get a quick taste. I will only be there for 2 days so just enough time to take a look around and see if I like it enough to come back for a longer trip.

I am arriving on May 10 and leaving May 12. If any local Tokyo guys want to meet up I would be excited to gain some local knowledge.

I will be staying in an Airbnb apartment a few minutes from Roppongi Station.

Not on any kind of bang mission. Just want to see as much as I can and get an idea about the place.

Send me a message if anyone wants to meet up.

Post: #1317

Got the flag!

Yesterday was the first night I went out late in Tokyo and my first game night inn a long time. Got hit on by a girl with a very good dancers body. Damn, she was hot. She reminds me of a half Asian chick whom I tried to bang unsuccessfully back in Europe before I had any game. This one bought me drinks and tried to get me to dance which of course I didn't do. When after three hours we got home - finally - I hit it raw and hard. Man, that shit felt good after a daygame dry spell of three fucking weeks. An hour of sleep, sushi for breakfast and put her on the train.

PS: DD, if I'm around - which I expect to be the case - shoot me a text anytime.

Post: #1318

Aaaand got the second Tokyo bang. Lesson learned: when in a group, use classic role playing with the girl of your choice. This doesn't work on western european women, but with Asian girls it works quite well. Pretend you are a family, an (ex-)married couple and joke with it. To prevent first, first make the joke with the rest of the group and then involve your girl of choice in the play. Otherwise she might object, but when the others have already joined in she will deem it as nice fun. You can keep using the same role play and dynamics when you get her alone and slowly work towards consummating your role playing marriage.

Also, if you are a foreigner, you can spike them by breaking the rules a little. Ignore a red light, let one of them jump on your back and run down the street, or other things you can present in a lighthearted and playful "I didn't know there was a rule". It wil reinforce any adventurous tendencies that linger behind the layers of shame and conformity.

Post: #1319

I hope Scotch comes back and gives an update on his goings on.

Post: #1320

(05-04-2016 12:29 AM)asdfk Wrote:  Also, if you are a foreigner, you can spike them by breaking the rules a little. Ignore a red light, let one of them jump on your back and run down the street, or other things you can present in a lighthearted and playful "I didn't know there was a rule". It wil reinforce any adventurous tendencies that linger behind the layers of shame and conformity.

Combining the "I'm a gaijin and can get away with stuff" with girls' innate rebellious streak that has been suppressed by Japanese society. Add in alittle alcohol to push those hesitations away and you're gold. You've learnt well my friend

Post: #1321

(05-04-2016 01:32 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  I hope Scotch comes back and gives an update on his goings on.

Dudes been pretty busy in Osaka. You should him him up if you're in the area.

He was always down to get a drink at his favorite spot in Umeda.

Post: #1322

I'm currently in Kitakyushu catching up with a great friend from high school who lives here. I'll be here for about 2/3 weeks or so, if by some miracle anyone's about then let me know. After that it's Tokyo

Post: #1323

I got here last week. Gonna start my internship soon.

Anyone around in Tokyo and wants to go out/daygame? Let me know whats up.

Cheers.

Post: #1324

Damn it. None of the sets hook. I know that I am rusty. The business and my mini relationship kept me out of the game for months but I was not expecting to be that bad. I approach, I open, I talk... one set after another... but each one lose interest so fast. I dress well, I look good but my inner game is not there. I finally give up and decide to go back home before the last train.

As train approaches to my stop, I look around. My eyes meet with a very cute lady. She smiles at me. I know what this means in Japan but the train is crowded. I doubt that she will talk to me even if I manage to go next to her. Train arrives to my stop. I start walking towards the door hoping she will, too. Yesssssss, she is getting off at this stop. I suddenly feel more confident. I make sure that she gets off the station first. As soon as I pass her, I turn back, and ask "do you know any interesting bars around here?" in Japanese. I do not know what has changed but I feel like I am the most confident guy on earth now. We talk like a minute or two standing there, then I point a small bar. "join me, let us drink together." She must be coming back from a date or something given her nice dress. She is not drunk but must have had a few beers. As we enter the small bar, I see two seats away from the bar. Her English is very bad, my Japanese is elementary. But I manage to keep the conversation going. I do light kino. As we are about to finish our first drinks, I observe a convincing IOI. I say "let us go". She follows me. I dont tell her that we are going to my place but she knows it. As we approach a main street, she points right and says "I live around here". I say to myself "shit..will she turn right and go home?" I am really anxious. We arrive the street and cross it together A few minutes later, I stop. There is noone else on the road. I pull her towards me, and kiss her. She says "Baka" but enjoys it. The rest is history.

P.S. This has not happened (very) recently.

Post: #1325

Haha Denzel that's sick. That's how it's done son! You'll remember pulls like that when you're old