Post: #176

(02-14-2014 07:36 AM)Czar Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 07:30 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 06:04 AM)Czar Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 06:00 AM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  KorbenDallas is delivering knock out blows left and right to this troll.

Damnnnnnnnn about to drop a rep point on the next fatal blow.

A "knock out blow" would imply that only one was necessary, you tool.

"the next fatal blow..." LOL. How many times does one die, you fucktard.

Sure smells like desperation in here.

Czar - someone who refers to Poland (a member of the EU and a relatively wealthy country) as '3rd world' obviously isn't very well traveled and I'd argue not very intelligent.

Your arguments don't make any sense and you seem like a bitter, angry and cruel person, but the above makes you just seem ridiculous and unschooled. Have you ever traveled outside your home country to various domiciles around the world?

Why so much hate??

We've already talked about Poland, you PUA jacktard. Go back a few pages for more info on that.

And it's hilarious that your feelings are hurt by my castigating your favorite internet self-help guru. Surely, you'll go read some of his soothing articles about how women with eating disorders are fucking awesome, and how you should beat your children.

Some real REDPILLING for you.

Jacktard?

Sounds good - have a very pleasant day!!! Enjoy your limited time hating on self-improvement here!!

Post: #177

Thank god for the "Ignore" function

Post: #178

(02-14-2014 07:35 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Czar's analysis on why men want to leave for other countries also doesn't account for the simple joy that's gained from being a stranger in a strange land, and LEARNING about the place you're in.

Opportunity cost, you sex tourist whore monger. Stop trying to romanticize your mission. You're there to fuck easy sluts, hookers, and women somewhere inbetween. All this wishy-washy malarkee about "finding yourself in a new land" is nauseating.

Post: #179

"Jacktard"

are you guys sure this isn't an overweight feminist we're dealing with?

Post: #180

(02-14-2014 07:30 AM)Akula Wrote:  You are adding nothing but personal attacks and tired old arguments that have been de-bunked over and over again. Why so much hate??

I think it's because he can't get any Slavic love. I've seen that in other guys who got jilted in Russia (Wayout started to get that way). They can't smash, so Russians become 'third world gold-digging whores' etc..

It's obvious he hasn't travelled a lot because some of the places he's talking about are now more developed than the traditional 'West'.

Post: #181

Definitely threw me off in the OP when Tuth mentioned Vincent being this Dimitri guy, but I'm inclined to believe VV's response and think it warrants a bit more looking into. Those were the only accusations that carried any weight with me.

I've yet to meet Vincent in person, but I did correspond with him a few times on an Internet Marketing forum before he became a member here. I noticed he was also based in Thailand so I hit him up and he ended up doing me some favors over there, going to great lengths to give me some advice on a site I was working on.

I then noticed him pop up here, coincidentally, and recognized his photo and the details he dropped in posts about his life in Thailand. There were a couple times I wondered if he was just here to promote, as I'm well aware of how IM goes, but all in all his style and conversation seemed consistent with what I've seen from him on the other non-game forum (he's even mentioned his interests in seduction there). Seems sincere enough to me.

Not everything the guy posts about rings true for me and my life - certainly don't agree with everything about his style and how he does things. But one thing I respected about him from the get-go was that he doesn't make any effort to hide his identity and lives up to his beliefs about game and women. There are videos associated with his Internet marketing persona at the IM forum and all in all he comes across as a pretty transparent person, which is more than I can say about my own identity here.

Is he a marketer and is part of his reason for being here marketing? Sure, I imagine so.

But I don't think it's the full reason by any means; Vincent just seems like one of those guys that doesn't separate his personal life from his business life, and I think as long as a guy doesn't overstep certain boundaries or get carried away, there's nothing wrong with selling things you believe in to people you relate to.

Both here and the other places I've seen him pop up, I've found his voice and persona to be completely consistent and transparent. He seems like a selfless guy that likes to help others out and is obsessed, in a good way, about becoming a better version of himself. Whether he gets banned or not, I plan to meet him at least once on my next reroute though BKK. Maybe twice if he doesn't try to do my nails.

As far as eyelash trolling, are you kidding me? Get over it, everyone. There are guys in the world who do feminine things in the interest of slamming tail. Who cares? This has been true for a long time and that post certainly didn't bother me, even if it doesn't reflect my own style.

In the Victorian era, men wore makeup. There are probably things you do that other men find feminine. I've heard conversations in bars where rednecks were ridiculing guys who trim or shave their pubes. Guys with baggy pants were considered lame and/or queer where I grew up. I know guys that won't wear a button shirt and think that's pansy. You moisturize your face? I'm sure there are guys who think that's gay. I'm sure we've got guys on this board that get manicures.

Everything is relative.

Hell, I personally wouldn't give a shit even if the guy was bi (not that I think he is), as long as he's not shoving it in our face all the time - whoah, no pun intended.

I can somewhat understand where Ali is coming from as the gayness has definitely been a big subject on the RVF lately, but I'm sure it'll go away. In any case, I don't think forcing everyone to live the same lifestyle does us any favors. We lose out on different perspectives that way, it becomes tempting to "fit in," and it becomes a less accurate representation of men in the real world.

At the end of the day, this forum is (it seems to me anyways) about travel, pussy, and being a man in modern society. Some men in modern society tend to be a bit more metro. And some players are extremely liberal in regards to sex - this has been the case all throughout history, among many different cultures. Not for me, but I don't lose sleep over it.

I say don't worry about it too much. You don't like a thread about eyelashes, don't read it. Or drop in and heckle the guy if you want. I just didn't really see that instance as trolling.

Roosh and Tuth are obviously the shot callers here, and its their say what flies at the end of the day, but I honestly don't see why this in particular was the straw that broke the camel's back. I think there are much more destructive issues to be concerned with in this forum and in modern life over all than whether a poster likes to play with his lashes to make his eyes pretty.

I've already got girly lashes so I don't have to go to those extremes. But I can attest that long, curly lashes definitely get a ton of random compliments from women. So I can see why some guy might start thinking about fucking with them a little, even if it might be an instance of overthinking game or trying too hard. On the other hand, there's a lot to be said for being 100% male and masculine, with no excuses. To each his own.

I agree with Rio 100% that VincentVinturi just comes across as a guy who is going to say what he thinks, regardless of the reaction he expects from his peers. Personally, I find that very commendable in a man.

In closing, I'll just leave this here for our good friend (in suffering), Mr. AliBhlaba, because it's gotten to the point where it's just far too painfully obvious to ignore:

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #182

I think Ali's right and Czar is a forum member. His writing seems familiar and he uses the same sort of discourse as a lot of guys on here/ knows the forum well.

Post: #183

(02-14-2014 07:41 AM)Czar Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 07:35 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Czar's analysis on why men want to leave for other countries also doesn't account for the simple joy that's gained from being a stranger in a strange land, and LEARNING about the place you're in.

Opportunity cost, you sex tourist whore monger. Stop trying to romanticize your mission. You're there to fuck easy sluts, hookers, and women somewhere inbetween. All this wishy-washy malarkee about "finding yourself in a new land" is nauseating.

I know exactly the man I am. That's why it's even more rewarding when you go overseas.

More projection.

This person called Korban Dallas "irredeemable".

No my friend, you are. You will always be a miserable simp or a miserable fat cunt (there's really no difference)

So long!

Post: #184

(02-14-2014 05:14 AM)Czar Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 04:59 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Actually the internet is huge in Eastern Europe Czar and most young people know english.

The dehumanization of people outside the anglosphere by feminists like Czar disgusts me. Because fat, selfish, American women glued to their iphone and facebook accounts for 5 hours of the day are the height of civilization.

And Poland "third world"? Give me a fucking break. Get the fuck outta here.

Average GDP per capita in Poland is 12k per year. That's less than a McDonald's worker. For comparison, the average GDP per capita in the USA is 50k. So in other words, he's leaving the major leagues in the West to play ball in the kiddie leagues against dudes making roughly 4x less than he can muster on a Western income. That's "game." Haha.

Not to mention your buddy rooshv advocates you visit "second tier" (read: poorer) cities to make sure the women aren't "infected by Westernism" (read: have high incomes).

Not to mention he's toiling in fucking Ukraine which has a GDP per capita on par with sub-Saharan African nations. Funny for how a guy who advocates you buy his books on "game" he's relying on crudely pushing the hypergamy buttons of the most desperate third world hellhole dwellers.

More reason why you should never take him seriously at all.

EDIT: I want to mention that what he is doing in the third world essentially amounts to a roundabout form of prostitution. He conveniently selects the spots to visit where women happen to be the poorest and flaunts his US passport. Pretty obvious that it's all an economic transaction w/ these sluts no different from a john and a hooker, and he tries to justify it by claiming every woman in the West is somehow too ugly to bother with. Also you idiots buy everything this dude says about his life even though he posts no proof on how he actually attracts women on a day-to-day basis other than what he tells you.

Czar, so what is game then? What do you propose to be done? He has taken the smart route out, what's your beef? I'm just curious. Have you ever lived in Toronto or DC? Tell me your counter proposal.

Post: #185

Did anyone notice that when the one guy comes forward and talks about how much his life has improved since the forum he says "well there's other forums that are positive"! or whatever?

As if that means this guy didn't just improve his life because "other" forums help people.

Post: #186

Vincent has denied he is Dmitri:

/thread-33062-...#pid653362

I want to make clear that neither his self-promotion or his eyelash curling info is a bannable offense. But if he is Dmitri, and has trashed the forum along with its members, he has to go.

One issue that concerns me is that he could be a plant to use the forum or ROK to draw negative attention to the community.

This is Tuthmosis' case. I do trust Tuth and it will come down to how sure he is that Dmitri and Vincent are the same person. If Tuth is at least 80% confident that they are they same guy, Vincent should no longer be a part of this community.

Post: #187

Forum might need another mod considering Czar's meltdown. Had he had some smarts as a troll he could have spammed pretty badly.

Post: #188

(02-14-2014 08:02 AM)Roosh Wrote:  One issue that concerns me is that he could be a plant to use the forum or ROK to draw negative attention to the community.

Other than what I've already said, a few things that I'd like to point out. If this was the case:

1) He probably wouldn't have bothered with a reply and would have just disappeared.

2) He probably wouldn't be meeting forum members.

3) He probably would have gone to great lengths to create an entirely new persona apart from the one he's used for years at the IM forum I mentioned. I would think he'd have come into the troll campaign making a huge effort to protect himself from virtual attack. He makes his money online, so going to such great lengths to fuck with us, why wouldn't he go even further to protect his money?

4) It also seems to me that Vince has been dabbling in the "pua" markets for quite a while before he joined here. So it's not like he suddenly decided to get involved just to cause some controversy and mess with the RVF.

In any case, that's about everything I have to say on the matter. Hope you guys work it out.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #189

For what it's worth, I think Vincent is telling the truth.

Post: #190

For what it's worth I think it's hilarious that one of VV's bullet points in his reply was "Not Gay".

I really hope he's not guilty.

Post: #191

There's a lot of talk re: the forum but let's not forget ROK. His article brought a shit ton of heat and while certain articles get heat, I find it peculiar that his sparked so much outrage.

I could care less who stays and who goes, but any hint of bullshit to undo the hard work Roosh, and the writers of ROK have put into the site is a problem.

If I'm 'wrong', then I'll admit it, but my gut tells me something is off. If you guys think we don't have enemies who are hoping for our downfall, then think again. A plant is possible, etc.

It's not my decision and obviously I'll respect whatever ruling The Roosh Court makes, but in my humble opinion, better to be safe than sorry. I don't believe in coincendeces and there's too many here.

Post: #192

I'm a junior member with a lot to learn.

Vincent has given me some very helpful advice recently, and his posts were thoughtful and erudite.

An example: /thread-32164.html

His response to this thread was respectful and intelligent.

Unless he is Machiavelli re-born I believe Vincent deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Post: #193

(02-14-2014 08:24 AM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  There's a lot of talk re: the forum but let's not forget ROK. His article brought a shit ton of heat and while certain articles get heat, I find it peculiar that his sparked so much outrage.

I could care less who stays and who goes, but any hint of bullshit to undo the hard work Roosh, and the writers of ROK have put into the site is a problem.

Yeah, but that article was unnecessarily targeted in my opinion. Anyone with a logical mind that read it could see that it was not a rape article.

Are we going to alienate everyone who draws heat from mainstream media because we don't want the collateral damage?

To go further, ROK moderators had the option of declining that piece or suggesting changes. They signed for it and posted it, so they backed it - makes sense to me.

I can see being pissed if it was intentional outside troll-work, but I don't think labeling it as such just based on it triggering an uproar is fair.

There has been a trend in the manosphere of writing articles that purposely spark controversy. VV just did what everyone else was doing but struck a particularly sensitive nerve.

Quote:If I'm 'wrong', then I'll admit it, but my gut tells me something is off. If you guys think we don't have enemies who are hoping for our downfall, then think again. A plant is possible, etc.

It's not my decision and obviously I'll respect whatever ruling The Roosh Court makes, but in my humble opinion, better to be safe than sorry. I don't believe in coincendeces and there's too many here.

If you actually pick through every point Tuth has made and follow every link, it's not as incriminating as it all seems. The one that carried most weight with me was that the guy was using his picture. But if you follow the link about his new picture (of the little girl), he admits stealing it from another forum.

So makes sense to me he would steal his previous pic from another forum as well. Given that he is obviously trolling this forum and following posts here, it makes sense that this might be the place he did it.

The bodomon post he copied is not Vincent's at all, so not sure how that got tossed in there. Are there are other Roosh member posts this guy has copied, or are we just getting a snapshot of a couple of them?

The anti-game posts by vincent don't seem anti-game to me either.

The only evidence I see is:

1) They had the same pic for a while, though the puahate guy is now using a pic he admits stealing from another forum.
2) Puahate guy made one post using the same title and video as Vincent. Didn't copy the text from his post.
3) Puahate guy made one post using the same title as bodomon (not Vincent).
4) Puahate guy and Vincent both live (or have lived) in Thailand.
5) Puahate guy and Vincent have both, at one time or another, mentioned the sleep benefits of magnesium. With Vincent, it was an elborate post. With Dimitir it was nothing but a link to a huffington post article.

The above doesn't seem that incriminating when you break it down. And my question is, what other topics and titles has Dimitri yanked from RVF? Are there other members he shares similarities with? Their voices don't even read the same...Puahate guy makes one-liner posts and seems like an antagonistic spaz.

I understand where you're coming from, but if you take some time to go through what's been presented rather than just accepting it at face value, I think the seeming coincidences weaken quite a bit, with all due respect to Tuth.

I can see how he came to this conclusion if his radar was already zinging on VV, but some closer inspection suggests to me there might be some jumping the gun going on here.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #194

I've met him

I will defend this guy 100%. I really don't want to get banned myself but he's the real deal.

Please don't ban this guy. At least not yet.

The 'troll thread' today wasn't a troll thread IMO. He just gave a tip to make his eyes look bigger, it shouldn't be considered in the 'banning process'.

The groupthink here on fashion really does piss me off at times actually if I'm honest, but I try and word my replies as respectfully and politely as possible (check my past posts). To consider that post as a reason for banning because it's 'gay' is immensely disappointing to me. He just said that he's been doing something recently that has made girls want to fuck him more, that's surely the opposite of gay?

I haven't read the entire thread here yet so I will do so now.

When I met him, he had a girl in his arms. I said I didn't want to cock-block him but he insisted I stay for a beer (was actually three in total). He talked about his methods of banging girls and even mentioned the 'rape-guide' scenario in front of the girl.

When I left him, the girl was making out with him like crazy.

Vincent is not a troll. He's a nice guy with a positive attitude and I will continue to meet him.

Post: #195

The question is not if he gets girls or is a good guy, but whether he is Dmitri on PUA Hate. That's the bannable charge levied against him.

Unless someone has additional evidence that he is or isn't Dmitri, discussion of his character or speculation of his game is irrelevant.

Post: #196

Anybody seen these threads?

Somebody accusing Dmitri of being somebody else.

Dmitri's been repping Magnesium since 2011 or before. Vincent joined the forum in 2013.

Wald

Post: #197

Dimitri has a website in his contacts too.

I'm not posting it here because the guy, if it's even him, is a lawyer of some sort.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but you'll have to do your own sluething. haha

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #198

I'm glad I saw this thread before I went out and got some eyelash's curlers.

Post: #199

Just popping in to leave a post in support of VV.

Post: #200

Roosh, I'm not against you. I like this forum, I like you, I like your book, and the last thing I want is to get banned myself.

I completely understand that if he's Dimitri it would constitute a bannable offence, but it has to be proven far beyond reasonable doubt. So far it hasn't been. The sad thing is there's already a lynch mob forming here which could sway the decision. I really don't want that.

Remember Ian Watkins from Lostprophets? I shouted 'innocent until proven guilty'. Others shouted 'no smoke without fire'.

He was found guilty in the end, but their attitude could have killed an innocent man who was simply the victim of a smear campaign. We should treat Vincent's case with the former attitude rather than the latter. We don't have comprehensive proof yet in my opinion. Someone on Naughty Nomad could easily mimic my postings, spam loads of goofy jokes and steal my avatar.

Until we can prove it 100%, he's innocent

If he's proven guilty, I will respectfully shut my mouth and apologise.

Also, not to jump on his dick, but once again Beyond Borders has shown himself as a big voice of reason on this forum.