Post: #51

(02-13-2014 10:47 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  The argument of:

Good information was provided, so the backstabbing of Roosh/The Forum/etc gets a pass, is like the guy who argues that his girlfriend cooks, cleans, is a great girlfriend, BUT...

She does suck a lot of other dudes cocks at gas station bathrooms.

Disloyalty is disloyalty.

There are no excuses.

Just because some 'good' data was dropped doesn't excuse backstabbing.

If I went off the rails and went to PUAHate and talked shit about you guys, I would expect to be tarred n feathered, as I should.

If a cat wants to join other forums and NOT shit talk RVF then cool, but why be two-faced?

I agree with everything you've said above. In light of that, if the case is as open and shut as it seems, then no harm will be done by giving Vincent a chance to respond. If he is in fact guilty of disloyalty (and the evidence appears damning), his response will probably make his guilt even clearer and the ultimate decision that much easier to make.

I say give him a deadline to respond in this thread.

Post: #52

McQueen, where is anyone saying he should be excused?

Post: #53

(02-13-2014 09:17 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:03 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I consider RVF an extension of my home, so I don't appreciate it when you shit on my rug.

And you, Mr. Blahba.....

Zero. Point. Zero.

Post: #54

@Fisto:

User: zoom "I would give him the benefit of the doubt since he was vouched for by some highly respected members."

There's some other points but I'm on my mobile and it's a bitch to copy/paste etc.

I wholeheartedly agree with him giving his side of it, but based on the evidence it's pretty obvious. I've never met him or communicated with him, but if there's one thing that gets me more on fire than a latina's spicy snatch, it's disloyalty. Been that way since I was a kid. Is what it is.

Post: #55

(02-13-2014 09:37 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  I accidentally left this other piece of evidence, not that it's necessary.

Just added to the OP, with screen caps:

Quote:4. He's also taken threads from here and posted them there--with the exact same title and punctuation--within days of each other.

/thread-26900.html
http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=87501

Ok, now THAT's really not cool. At first I was kinda on the fence, but posting people's stuff around the net, kinda makes me think the next thing he'd do is steal from lots of other people and re-sell that info.

not cool.

I'd say Ban. (at first I was going to say, meh he's not doing that much harm but. . .I think this is unaccetable)

Post: #56

Post: #57

well there shouldnt be any RoK posters that are not verified since it's our window to the world.
my verdict is ban.

Post: #58

I would say give him the benefit of the doubt if that bullshit eyelash thread was a drunk post. I know I've done a couple retarded ones in that state occasionally.

However, the fact that he went out of his way to attack thegmanifesto and start dupe threads on PUAhate makes me think he has a different motive.

Give him one opportunity to respond, unless it's really convincing, we don't need to waste our time with that bullshit if he wants to stay here.

Post: #59

I'm only new to this forum, but I believe every man deserves a fair trial.

Could it be possible that these obsessed game denialists at puahate.com are stalking people on this forum? I went there and took a look. They are crazy groupies : they spend all their time bashing Roosh and others all day long and patting themselves on the back.

Could it be possible that one of these losers just stole Vincent picture, stalked his posts and just stole his content just because? These people are avid readers of the RVF forum. Proof is , there is already a thread there talking about our discussion : http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=118188, it was made just a few hours later.

I'm not saying he's not guilty, it does look bad. But in my opinion we should wait for him to defend himself before drawing conclusions.

Post: #60

That's an interesting theory^

Post: #61

(02-13-2014 11:12 PM)Daddy Wrote:  I'm only new to this forum, but I believe every man deserves a fair trial.

Could it be possible that these obsessed game denialists at puahate.com are stalking people on this forum? I went there and took a look. They are crazy groupies : they spend all their time bashing Roosh and others all day long and patting themselves on the back.

Could it be possible that one of these losers just stole Vincent picture, stalked his posts and just stole his content just because? These people are avid readers of the RVF forum. Proof is , there is already a thread there talking about our discussion : http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=118188, it was made just a few hours later.

I'm not saying he's not guilty, it does look bad. But in my opinion we should wait for him to defend himself before drawing conclusions.

What makes this very-very unlikely is that, when those threads at PUAHate were started, VincentVinturi was nothing here. He had very few posts to his name.* It seems unlikely a PUAHate poster would pick a newbie to steal his pictures, stalk his posts, and steal his content. That would like someone taking a name from page 18 of the member list at random. How many of those guys do you recognize?

*I just checked. He had just over 50 posts here when that "[Video] What's it like being a PUA's girlfriend?" thread showed up at PUAHate.

EDIT: Furthermore, that fails to explain other "coincidences," like his promotion of the sleep benefits of magnesium in both places, several months apart--in two very different ways. It also doesn't address his recent trolling, and extended history of self-promotion.

Post: #62

(02-13-2014 11:09 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  I would say give him the benefit of the doubt if that bullshit eyelash thread was a drunk post. I know I've done a couple retarded ones in that state occasionally.

I thought the dude was gay after reading this:


/thread-30846.html

When a woman brags about fucking dozens and dozens of dudes, then you happily fuck her afterwards, then there's some dick fantasy there. This is the same as fucking a post op ladyboy and you know up front. It doesn't help that VV is in Thailand to lower my suspicions.

No harm or hate, but after that I disregarded all his posts, until the eyelash thread and I had a meltdown. Fisto received a colorful email about it. My gaydar is on full blast since the last gay thread:

/thread-32634.html

The gay and kamikaze trolls are out in full force lately. I don't care if he's banned or not, I'm just trying to keep some masculinity on the forum.

Post: #63

Out of curiosity I just did this search: hotwheels site:puahate.com

Some cocksmoker over there is using my name...

No, it's not me.

Ok, back to the burning at the stake.

Post: #64

I don't think the self-promotion thing by itself is an issue.

For instance, I thought that McQueen was self-promoting a bit much at first, but then I checked out his material and his podcast and I'm glad that he self-promoted because otherwise I would have missed out on a lot of solid knowledge from a fresh perspective.

I even wish certain members self-promoted more, since I didn't even know about Fisto's blog STW (swoop the world) until recently, which has a style of article that I appreciate.

Of course it's an issue if someone comes in and they are self-promoting garbage, trying to push 3rd party products, or not otherwise contributing to the community. But I think we shouldn't be too cynical about members wanting to share their writing and material with others.

As for the disloyalty, it would help to know the timeline of these events. Was he talking shit and then later started to come correct? Or has he been unrepentant.

I've known a few players with his kind of "eyelash"/extreme-metrosexual style, and they tend to adapt more than girls' grooming habits, like their cattiness and backstabbing. If he is one of these guys then he will never change.

Post: #65

I'd generally favor a permanent ban but would leave a 24 or 48 hour window for him to come forward with some kind of response.

Post: #66

I'm surprised and displeased to see what Tuth has uncovered about Vincent.

However, because it appears that he has given some value to the forum and a size-able amount of posts - I'd still like to hear his side of the story.

Wald

Post: #67

I've met VV in person several times. Never had any problems with him. Always seemed a stand up guy. Never went out drinking or anything together, but we've shot the shit here and there when we run into each other. I like the guy.

As far as the eyelash trolling, he probably wasn't trolling. I think he was serious. I didn't read the thread, but VV strikes me as the kind of guy who isn't interested in others thoughts on him, and is genuinely interested in helping others. If he thought curling your eyelashes helps, he'd probably share it with others.

Can't comment on the PUAHate stuff. I think we should give VV the chance to respond if he wants to.

Post: #68

Honestly, this situation is just flat-out bizarre.

Post: #69

Man fuck that guy.

You know what the original title of this article was?

http://www.returnofkings.com/26422/how-w...en-to-rape

"Why Women Say No When They Mean Yes"

His came out the same week, mine got retitled. Motherfucker stole my viral thunder.

Post: #70

(02-14-2014 12:06 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  Man fuck that guy.

You know what the original title of this article was?

http://www.returnofkings.com/26422/how-w...en-to-rape

"Why Women Say No When They Mean Yes"

His came out the same week, mine got retitled. Motherfucker stole my viral thunder.

Both of these titles were ill-advised and brought RoK the kind of attention it doesn't need.

Post: #71

Also props to Tuthmosis for digging this one up. Tuth, you are the champion of the ROK writers.


It's a testament to how spamming some of the PUA guys are that we couldn't (are at least I couldn't) tell the difference between the fake and real. Even that eyelash thing made me go "man, some guys will do anything for pussy..." it didn't even occur to me he could be trolling.

Nothing on the internet is real.

Post: #72

(02-13-2014 09:31 PM)eradicator Wrote:  I don't question that vincent gets laid in South East Asia. I don't think it requires game to get laid in south east asia if you are an average looking white guy. My point is getting a lot of notches in SEA as a white guy doesn't necessarily mean you have good game. Basically, reminds me of xsplat. I won't really question that what they are doing as white men in SEA works to get laid, but I do question how useful their books/advice are for guys looking to get laid in the rest of the world

I hate being such a dickless beta in BKK. I cry myself to sleep every night, literally.

Post: #73

(02-14-2014 12:11 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 12:06 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  Man fuck that guy.

You know what the original title of this article was?

http://www.returnofkings.com/26422/how-w...en-to-rape

"Why Women Say No When They Mean Yes"

His came out the same week, mine got retitled. Motherfucker stole my viral thunder.

Both of these titles were ill-advised and brought RoK the kind of attention it doesn't need.

You should read the article.

Similar headlines, different content.

Post: #74

Let him speak I say. Tuth should respond accordingly, and a level of ban needs to be given. He's done things that warrant a ban, but before completely booting him let the man speak. Otherwise it will just feel like a kangaroo feminist court that is taking half your money as alimony. It's just not right in reference to the forum's goals.

Post: #75

I really think his whole book and article title and everything else is basically trying to make us look bad.

Has anyone here read his book and can vouch for the stuff in it? Seems like he's trying to put out material that feminists and co. can legitimately call 'rape guides'