(01-27-2017 04:45 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  I have a friend who's been doing this in Hungary for 8+ years in Hungary with zero problems I initially got a residency which was a pain in the ass the first time the second damn near impossible due to the migrant issue. So for the past two years Ive just done a border run out of Hungary every 90 days and haven't had any issues whatsoever. I regularly travel all over the schengen have been on trains and plains multiple times durning passport control checks never an issue in any other countries. These border agents know the countries with the 90 day rules and never have given me a hassle once so if you want to stay in the Schengen and don't have a residency or a valid reason to get one this is your work around.

I've been reading this forum for months now and my college friend wants to visit me in Italy from Los Angeles. He already visited Italy and France for 90 days and he went back home 3 weeks ago.

Are you saying, he can fly from Los Angeles to Budapest? Get inside of EU and then travel to Italy?

Because I told him this last week and he called Hungary Embassy in Washington, they told him that "You cannot do that. You have 90 days of visiting in every 180 days." like every EU country except Poland.

He also called Polish Embassy, they confirmed that he can make an entry from Poland.

Are you sure, your friend did that this way?

Am I sure???? No im not sure of what I've been doing for the last two years actually works, so probably your friend should try something else.

http://konzuliszolgalat.kormany.hu/visa-...agreements

^ It should be noted that in the link above, Hungary specifically calls out the countries that are 90 days in every 180 days. The first one is Colombia. The US doesn't have this call out.

(02-02-2017 03:59 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  Am I sure???? No im not sure of what I've been doing for the last two years actually works, so probably your friend should try something else.

http://konzuliszolgalat.kormany.hu/visa-...agreements

Well, i'll private message you, I'll forward you what Hungarian Embassy in Washington said to me. My friend also called them. But I'll email them again and show them this link now. Let's see what they will say.

But as I said, Polish Embassy in Washington has confirmed it.

I'm just telling you what they told me. I've never been in Hungary, I don't know anything. I have an Italian passport anyway. I'm asking this for my friend from California. He just spent his 90 days in EU after New Year, he had to go back to California almost 20 days ago.

We're trying to find a way, if he can come back to EU via Poland or Hungary.

Been getting a few PMs about this subject recently.

Let's keep it on the public forum unless privacy is required, so other guys can benefit and contribute to our conversation.

I wouldn't be in a position to help you guys if OP had kept it private.

Going to be doing this myself this year. 89 days in Prague, then out, then in.

Will be updating as needed.

I never got a response by email and never was able to get a hold of anyone by phone from the Hungarian embassy.

Krakow to Budapest isn't a far bus ride, I'd say the chances on getting your passport checked in Budapest or on the way back to Poland are slim to none , though anything is possible.

Over the summer, I did hear a few eu girls complain about getting their passports checked in Germany, so I'd stay the fuck away from there if you want to get away with this.

So people, might need to use this soon.
Suppose I book a flight from Schengen area to a non schengen zone like the UK and already have a flight booked to Poland. Do you think that would rise flags?
OR would it be possible to enter either zone (poland or UK) without a return flight to an origin country?

^I wouldn't worry about raising flags with one-way flights, if thats what youre asking (Im not sure im reading that right)

People do it all the time in Europe

(02-03-2017 07:48 AM)godzilla Wrote:  I never got a response by email and never was able to get a hold of anyone by phone from the Hungarian embassy.

Krakow to Budapest isn't a far bus ride, I'd say the chances on getting your passport checked in Budapest or on the way back to Poland are slim to none , though anything is possible.

Over the summer, I did hear a few eu girls complain about getting their passports checked in Germany, so I'd stay the fuck away from there if you want to get away with this.

I've had my passport checked in Germany, on a bus from Berlin to Poznan. Wrote about it on this thread. No issues.

Same with the check in Paris Beauvais airport. Also no issues with the check between Copenhagen and Malmo.

(02-03-2017 07:49 AM)El_Gostro Wrote:  So people, might need to use this soon.
Suppose I book a flight from Schengen area to a non schengen zone like the UK and already have a flight booked to Poland. Do you think that would rise flags?
OR would it be possible to enter either zone (poland or UK) without a return flight to an origin country?

Poland has never asked me about when I'm planning to leave.

The UK has though, and has even asked to see my return ticket.

Let me know if that also answers your PM.

I travel all over the Schengen regularly and have been through many border control stops. Driving into Austria, trains in hungary, plane in Amsterdam, train Switzerland, they look at my passport hand it back and tell me enjoy. They all clearly see I'm leaving the Schengen and returning via Hungary never has anyone said a word as my stamps are within the day day window.

(02-03-2017 07:34 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  Going to be doing this myself this year. 89 days in Prague, then out, then in.

Will be updating as needed.

So, Czech Republic also don't care as long as you stay 89 days? I think border police just don't check, it's about getting lucky.

This is really confusing. Seems like, most of the border police don't even know the Schengen rules, because embassy say one thing but border police don't even check them.

I also witnessed it in summer. My friend stayed 89 days in Italy, we went to Istanbul together for a week, and then we drove to Greece and he got in. Under normal circumstances, Greece shouldn't have let him in.

Speaking of the UK, I would assume they would be more strict with immigration. I flew 3 times to England last year, and I only entered the country to switch airports 2 times and get on the Eurostar once.

The third time, they went past the usual 5 questions, and talked to me for 10 mins, then after I grabbed my bag, I was walking towards the door to the terminal and they pulled only me aside to check my bag.

I was assuming the UK would be more adamant in checking this,so it is why I thought about already having a flight booked.
Correct me if I'm wrong but their only interest is that you don't stay in their jurisdiction without an exit ticket,where that exit is to would be beyond their concern?

One time I booked a one way flight from the US to Europe and was asked for a return flight, I was able to explain I'd get my return flight there when I found a good deal -which I did, but I still had to sign a voucher freeing the airline of any responsability should customs have a problem with it.

^ My guess is they don't care where you exit, they just care when.

(02-03-2017 08:19 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 07:34 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  Going to be doing this myself this year. 89 days in Prague, then out, then in.

Will be updating as needed.

So, Czech Republic also don't care as long as you stay 89 days? I think border police just don't check, it's about getting lucky.

This is really confusing. Seems like, most of the border police don't even know the Schengen rules, because embassy say one thing but border police don't even check them.

I also witnessed it in summer. My friend stayed 89 days in Italy, we went to Istanbul together for a week, and then we drove to Greece and he got in. Under normal circumstances, Greece shouldn't have let him in.

Hey. I do believe a modern, well-off continent with raping, murdering, terrorizing "guests" might have great concerns to worry about....than any of us.

Just saying the obvious....'cause it needs saying here.

(02-03-2017 08:19 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 07:34 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  Going to be doing this myself this year. 89 days in Prague, then out, then in.

Will be updating as needed.

So, Czech Republic also don't care as long as you stay 89 days? I think border police just don't check, it's about getting lucky.

This is really confusing. Seems like, most of the border police don't even know the Schengen rules, because embassy say one thing but border police don't even check them.

I also witnessed it in summer. My friend stayed 89 days in Italy, we went to Istanbul together for a week, and then we drove to Greece and he got in. Under normal circumstances, Greece shouldn't have let him in.

Correct me if I'm wrong Trouble, but I think you're doing Prague for 89 days > Poland/Hungary > Somewhere outside Schengen > Poland/Hungary > Prague?

That seems fine.

Rossi, as for Greece, technically, your friend still had his 90th in 180 days still available. Or maybe Greece has their own deal with your friend's country, like Poland and Hungary do with the US. Finally, it's also written on the unverified Internet - unlike RvF with meetups, so be careful - that Southern European Schengen countries can be lax about the rules.

(02-04-2017 05:05 AM)262 Wrote:  Rossi, as for Greece, technically, your friend still had his 90th in 180 days still available. Or maybe Greece has their own deal with your friend's country, like Poland and Hungary do with the US. Finally, it's also written on the unverified Internet - unlike RvF with meetups, so be careful - that Southern European Schengen countries can be lax about the rules.

My friends are from California, they have American passport. I welcomed them in Italy for 89 days and then we all went to Istanbul for a week, and then we drove to Greece, where we stayed almost 2 months.

On the way out, they stayed way more than 90 days in 180 days in Schengen but no one said a word.

We thought this might be possible to repeat, we got in touch with Greek Embassy but they said "it is not possible"

Therefore, I think their custom police don't even know Schengen rules or maybe, if they have suspicion, they really check every detail. Out of all the embassies my friends called (Hungary, Denmark, Latvia, Greece etc.) only Polish Embassy confirmed that special agreement.

(02-03-2017 07:34 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  Going to be doing this myself this year. 89 days in Prague, then out, then in.

(02-04-2017 05:05 AM)262 Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong Trouble, but I think you're doing Prague for 89 days > Poland/Hungary > Somewhere outside Schengen > Poland/Hungary > Prague?

That seems fine.

Trouble, I too thought that must be the plan. Now I am interested to
find out, or if you have data that Czech Republic is similar to PL and HU.

Thanks in advance!!!!

(02-04-2017 11:44 AM)The Breeze Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 07:34 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  Going to be doing this myself this year. 89 days in Prague, then out, then in.

(02-04-2017 05:05 AM)262 Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong Trouble, but I think you're doing Prague for 89 days > Poland/Hungary > Somewhere outside Schengen > Poland/Hungary > Prague?

That seems fine.

Trouble, I too thought that must be the plan. Now I am interested to
find out, or if you have data that Czech Republic is similar to PL and HU.

Thanks in advance!!!!

Yes, both of you are correct. Day 89 I plan to take trips out - one time this year I gotta go back to the States, another I'll go to Ukraine, and I may do Serbia or Romania for a week.

It's all temporary for me. I'm working on getting an Italian passport: https://thisistrouble.com/2016/08/02/acq...-passport/

I actually got the first documents this week, so I'm hopeful that I can be set with this by the end of the year and never have to worry about it again. Who knows, maybe I'll get it then the EU will shut down

Speaking from experience, entering Hungary was the easiest customs/immigration experience I've had in my life. I didn't have to fill out any forms and the customs agent at the airport didn't ask me a single question. She just looked at my passport, stamped it, and handed it back.

That's a world apart from Canada, where I was once denied entry on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant (seriously), and the Philippines, where I had to pay to renew my visa every month and purchase a national ID card.

In fact, when I signed my lease for my Budapest apartment and the lady gave me my accommodation reporting form for Hungarian immigration, I asked her when I needed to turn it in and she said "whenever you want."

Consensus from my American/non-EU friends in Hungary is that so long as you're white, American (or from another white country), and have no criminal record, the border agents will treat you with kid gloves.

(02-07-2017 06:52 PM)Matt Forney Wrote:  Speaking from experience, entering Hungary was the easiest customs/immigration experience I've had in my life. I didn't have to fill out any forms and the customs agent at the airport didn't ask me a single question. She just looked at my passport, stamped it, and handed it back.

That's a world apart from Canada, where I was once denied entry on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant (seriously), and the Philippines, where I had to pay to renew my visa every month and purchase a national ID card.

In fact, when I signed my lease for my Budapest apartment and the lady gave me my accommodation reporting form for Hungarian immigration, I asked her when I needed to turn it in and she said "whenever you want."

Consensus from my American/non-EU friends in Hungary is that so long as you're white, American (or from another white country), and have no criminal record, the border agents will treat you with kid gloves.

If i understood correctly, you arrived to Hungary recently, but did you have to wait 90 days in Non-Schengen area before you can come back to EU again?

Or, did you go to Non-EU zone for few days and come back to EU via Budapest?

To add to Matt's post, as I understand, ElJefe1 is African-American, and also experiences no issues with the Hungarian border guards.

My friend from Los Angeles just booked his Euro trip, via Poland. He will fly next week, I'll let everyone know how it goes. He spent his 90 days in Schengen recently, went back to California 5 weeks ago. I told him that this Poland loophole, he will try next week.