Post: #1

I have always believed that approaching girls in a nightclub/bar setting is much easier than approaching girls in, say, a grocery store, mall, etc., if only because the girls at the club are expecting you to approach them, and actually went to the club to be approached. However, a girl you meet at a store is there to shop, so there's a large chance you might be bothering her.
Lately though I'm starting to wonder, especially when I consider how tough meeting girls in a club setting actually is, if girls truly mind when you approach them cold on the street or in a store. When I see just how attention whoreish women are in the nightclubs, on FaceBook, My Space, etc., wouldn't most women, even if they aren't necessarily attracted to you, still be flattered by your approach, provided its respectful? I know when I think about approaching cold I get a sense that I'm going to bother her, since she's there for other purposes. Is this apprehension true, or should we tell ourselves that women in general like being approached, even if they do plan on turning you down. I'd just like to know what the other fellas on here think about the subject.

Post: #2

Women are just weird species.

Post: #3

(12-06-2010 12:36 PM)Badstuber Wrote:  Women are just weird species.

Lol. That kind of goes without saying. I just think that some mens fear of approaching women might be a little over-exaggerated. I think based on the possibility that women actually enjoy being approached, the average man might be a little more successful than he would believe.

Post: #4

I have been doing a lot of street/day game recently. At first I sucked at it and it seemed like they were bothered by me stopping them.

But recently I have gotten much better, and now the body language reaction I get from most is "wow, here's a guy who actually has balls to do this". Its almost like the reaction is "this is part of a guy's biology, to do stuff like this. its just not common anymore". its a pretty good feeling so far.

i hate bars and clubs man

Post: #5

I think it depends. I really have only had this happen a few times, but it was when I really wasn't attempting to pick up. One time at a grocery store, I sort of disarmed her a bit when I mentioned something slight related to something she and I were both buying (side use for the product,not related to eating) and we laughed and had a chat about it. Next thing I knew I invited her to a local hang out where she could try the best (xyz) that she was going to make at home. It was friendly and innocent seeming.

Now to contrast that I cannot see me approaching and pulling the cocky funny stuff in mid day at a grocery market, as for some reason it has always seemed corny to me to do that.

Post: #6

Well, I read an article by Marc Katz. In his article he mentioned that men are worried more than we should be because in reality women, for the most part, enjoy being hit on by men. Now, I don't know if I can directly translate how I feel with their feelings since I'm not a woman, but I can tell you that I emnjoy being hit on and flirted with, even when it isn't a woman that I find terribly attractive and have no desire to sleep with. Now, that of course doesn't mean I want to be bugged by them or stalked. Also, since being approached by women, even ugly women, doesn't happen to me everyday the way it does attractive women, I'm honestly not sure if someone who receives regular attention, though positive, looks forward to it.

Post: #7

Good point U .R Man....however I think you can sum this up with saying women in general love the non commited attention. Like a child, they want the looks the glances, the smiles and the compliments, however its a different thing when you ask for the number or are clearly "hitting" on her. Some girls might get a little oncomfortable with that. Mostly not...but its possible.

Post: #8

(12-06-2010 11:20 PM)Rocco81 Wrote:  Good point U .R Man....however I think you can sum this up with saying women in general love the non commited attention. Like a child, they want the looks the glances, the smiles and the compliments, however its a different thing when you ask for the number or are clearly "hitting" on her. Some girls might get a little oncomfortable with that. Mostly not...but its possible.

And if she does feel uncomfortable, sucks to be her....in the game of getting laid by many women, her feelings/approval about your approach should be the last thing to consider.

However, when approaching in day-game, consider that women use body language to invite a potential man to make approach. Is she exposing a lot of skin? Is she covered up form head to toe? Notice her hair, make-up, shoes, accessories everything expresses her desire to be approached (or not). If she is talking on the phone, definitely do not approach, it will certainly fail. If she is sitting at a park bench, with a mini-skirt, and fresh perfume you can smell as you pass by, APPROACH!!

A womans body language never lies. The key is to detect which women are more open to being approached than others.

the rule I go by is simple: if more than 50% of her body is exposed, approach - full force. ** Usually this happens right around the start of their menstrual cycle as they have a natural urge to be impregnated.

Between 20-50%, approach, with caution by using a situational opener, and get a reading on her body language further.

If she is wearing loose clothing, and covering everything including her neck...try to get eye contact, and a smile, if she does not reciprocate...do not approach.



Mixx

Post: #9

Solid info Mixx, will keep that in mind.

Post: #10

(12-07-2010 02:34 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-06-2010 11:20 PM)Rocco81 Wrote:  Good point U .R Man....however I think you can sum this up with saying women in general love the non commited attention. Like a child, they want the looks the glances, the smiles and the compliments, however its a different thing when you ask for the number or are clearly "hitting" on her. Some girls might get a little oncomfortable with that. Mostly not...but its possible.

And if she does feel uncomfortable, sucks to be her....in the game of getting laid by many women, her feelings/approval about your approach should be the last thing to consider.

However, when approaching in day-game, consider that women use body language to invite a potential man to make approach. Is she exposing a lot of skin? Is she covered up form head to toe? Notice her hair, make-up, shoes, accessories everything expresses her desire to be approached (or not). If she is talking on the phone, definitely do not approach, it will certainly fail. If she is sitting at a park bench, with a mini-skirt, and fresh perfume you can smell as you pass by, APPROACH!!

A womans body language never lies. The key is to detect which women are more open to being approached than others.

the rule I go by is simple: if more than 50% of her body is exposed, approach - full force. ** Usually this happens right around the start of their menstrual cycle as they have a natural urge to be impregnated.

Between 20-50%, approach, with caution by using a situational opener, and get a reading on her body language further.

If she is wearing loose clothing, and covering everything including her neck...try to get eye contact, and a smile, if she does not reciprocate...do not approach.



Mixx

Impressive Mixx, most impressive! I guess in this day and age women who are walking around in shorts with shirts exposing their bellies should pretty much expect to be approached. I especially like the thinking of not allowing how the girl feels to influence your decision to approach. As long as you know you're being respectful, your're clan and dressed nice, and you've brushed your teeth, why care about anything else. Easier said than done, but yet that truly is the point men need to get to in order to be truly successful with women. I think it would make most men feel a little better and a little more confident if they could somehow feel that women generally like the attention, so you aren't bothering them as much as you think. Plus, I'm sure all of us have had at least once where a girl at first turned us down and then later on approached us! That would have never happen had we not made the initial approach.

Post: #11

Mixx...

I'm in the 20-50%. I guess more in a 30%. And I'm so distracted, even during the night clubs that I don't see if someone is looking... I tend to be so into the music (IN A WORLD OF MY OWN) and having fun...lol. So I NEED the eye to eye for more time and the approaching. I don't HUNT MEN in that way... However, when I'm interested I try (I'm shy to this stuff - cavermen brazilian think you are crazy to f* them) to approach and say something simple and let the time take its course. Is that a problem?
I agree that sometimes can be annoying men coming. That day that you are in a terrible mood... and so on. And, some men approach and there is nothing interesting to say. About day game: Every flaws will appear. Say something different. Something that will not look rude, or akward or don't even think that you are in a bar venue. No, no no. Convice the girl that you deserves 5 minutes of your attention, because we are not in a club, nor looking for men in that moment.

Post: #12

(12-06-2010 12:27 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  I have always believed that approaching girls in a nightclub/bar setting is much easier than approaching girls in, say, a grocery store, mall, etc.

While it may be EASIER mentally approaching girls at nightclub/bar sttings, I think you get better results in day game settings because:

1) First of all, girls are getting hit on all night, and unless you are extra good looking, it's hard to grab their attention considering the fact that you can hardly hear eachother in a club.

2) Day game shows you really have balls. A good majority of men don't have the balls to walk up to a hottie sun bathing on the beach and chat her up. Just like you said, it's easier to do in clubs, where people are expected to run game. You're right, the girl isn't expecting to get gamed, but I almost think that's better.

3) Like I mentioned in 1, clubs are loud, it's hard to even run game sometimes, not to mention how you can be distracted by annoying drunks running into you, yelling in your ear, and spilling drinks. Also, I don't like dancing much unless its to music I like, and sadly now a days in clubs, most of the music sucks. A lot of clubs are just top 40 nonesense. I can't stand that shit.

Post: #13

Of course they want to be approached unless you are quasimodo or a creepy freak.

as ovid says "whether they accept or refuse, it always pleases them to be asked"

they want to feel desired so if you believe that women do not want you to approach them then you believe deep down that they are not worthy of your company...that is a very negative mindset. but that doesn't mean you have to approach all the time, the context has to be taken into consideration.

now in the event that a women had an adverse reaction to you, then it's simply just not her day, god knows what going on in her mind.

NEEEEEEEEEXT!

Post: #14

Quote:And if she does feel uncomfortable, sucks to be her....in the game of getting laid by many women, her feelings/approval about your approach should be the last thing to consider.

However, when approaching in day-game, consider that women use body language to invite a potential man to make approach. Is she exposing a lot of skin? Is she covered up form head to toe? Notice her hair, make-up, shoes, accessories everything expresses her desire to be approached (or not). If she is talking on the phone, definitely do not approach, it will certainly fail. If she is sitting at a park bench, with a mini-skirt, and fresh perfume you can smell as you pass by, APPROACH!!

So unbelievably true!

Post: #15

(12-07-2010 02:34 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-06-2010 11:20 PM)Rocco81 Wrote:  Good point U .R Man....however I think you can sum this up with saying women in general love the non commited attention. Like a child, they want the looks the glances, the smiles and the compliments, however its a different thing when you ask for the number or are clearly "hitting" on her. Some girls might get a little oncomfortable with that. Mostly not...but its possible.

And if she does feel uncomfortable, sucks to be her....in the game of getting laid by many women, her feelings/approval about your approach should be the last thing to consider.

However, when approaching in day-game, consider that women use body language to invite a potential man to make approach. Is she exposing a lot of skin? Is she covered up form head to toe? Notice her hair, make-up, shoes, accessories everything expresses her desire to be approached (or not). If she is talking on the phone, definitely do not approach, it will certainly fail. If she is sitting at a park bench, with a mini-skirt, and fresh perfume you can smell as you pass by, APPROACH!!

A womans body language never lies. The key is to detect which women are more open to being approached than others.

the rule I go by is simple: if more than 50% of her body is exposed, approach - full force. ** Usually this happens right around the start of their menstrual cycle as they have a natural urge to be impregnated.

Between 20-50%, approach, with caution by using a situational opener, and get a reading on her body language further.

If she is wearing loose clothing, and covering everything including her neck...try to get eye contact, and a smile, if she does not reciprocate...do not approach.



Mixx

I disagree with a couple things you have said.

I have approached so many women that were talking on the phone and they typed their numbers on my phone and i closed few of them after few days.

Also, this eye contact/smiling thing can be deceiving. I have approached women before that gave me a dirty look, i showed them that they are inferior than me and im the boss here and i set the rules. Next minute she is all laughing and im getting her number. Actually this has happened to me just recently.

You just made me remeber this chick that was hating on me the whole night..and then i ended up fucking her (one of my favourites lays of all times). Body language can deceive a lot.

Post: #16

Do they want to be approached?
Only one way to find out!

I'd Rather be Sorry (for something I've done than for something that I didn't do)

Try the approach at the beginning of this Vid ...she seems to like it!

Post: #17

(01-24-2012 04:35 AM)pitt Wrote:  I disagree with a couple things you have said.

I have approached so many women that were talking on the phone and they typed their numbers on my phone and i closed few of them after few days.

Pitt, my post is to be considered as GENERAL rules, not the answer to every situation you encounter with women homie.

So, rather than disagree, and move on to tell us how wonderful you are at f-closing girls that were originally hating on you, why don't you break down what you felt opened the doors for you with girls that were on the phone or gave you dirty looks to begin with?

We value more players who break moves down that help us, not ones that just tell us how they can fuck women where normally it should have not been possible. We've all done this at some point, but how does that help the forum player?

I know it's not your intent youngblood, but your post sounded more trollish than helpful.

Mixx

Post: #18

(12-07-2010 02:34 PM)MiXX Wrote:  And if she does feel uncomfortable, sucks to be her....in the game of getting laid by many women, her feelings/approval about your approach should be the last thing to consider.

However, when approaching in day-game, consider that women use body language to invite a potential man to make approach. Is she exposing a lot of skin? Is she covered up form head to toe? Notice her hair, make-up, shoes, accessories everything expresses her desire to be approached (or not). If she is talking on the phone, definitely do not approach, it will certainly fail. If she is sitting at a park bench, with a mini-skirt, and fresh perfume you can smell as you pass by, APPROACH!!

When ever I see women out during the day dressed in clothing that is even a little bit revealing, I always think to myself (or say to whoever is with me) "look at this girl waiting to get FUCKED!" Even if it isn't always true I think it's better to just assume that it is and go for it. This infinitely better than standing there and wondering if your approach might annoy the girl.

Girls are very aware of how they're dressed when they leave the house. They're obviously dressing slutty for a reason.

Post: #19

(01-24-2012 12:42 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 04:35 AM)pitt Wrote:  I disagree with a couple things you have said.

I have approached so many women that were talking on the phone and they typed their numbers on my phone and i closed few of them after few days.

Pitt, my post is to be considered as GENERAL rules, not the answer to every situation you encounter with women homie.

So, rather than disagree, and move on to tell us how wonderful you are at f-closing girls that were originally hating on you, why don't you break down what you felt opened the doors for you with girls that were on the phone or gave you dirty looks to begin with?

We value more players who break moves down that help us, not ones that just tell us how they can fuck women where normally it should have not been possible. We've all done this at some point, but how does that help the forum player?

I know it's not your intent youngblood, but your post sounded more trollish than helpful.

Mixx

Mixx it wasnt my intention to say that your strategy is a flop or anything like that, i just wanted to give a different perspective. You are older than me, been in the field for more years than me and we all here know you are official, but i thought you would be cool about me giving a different perspective, but you're right, i probably should have gone in depth about my moves.

I like telling my sex stories, so let me throw the story about the girl who was hating on me just for the record.

So i called this girl (im going to call her stacey) who i met recently to cornrow my hair, she tells me to go meet her. Once i arrive, i see her with this other friend, this other friend had one of the most perfect asses i have ever seen. I say hello to her friend and she kinda ignores me. Next minute we jump on the bus to go to staceys house so she can plat my hair. On the way, i try to talk to her friend and she doenst really want to talk to me, acting like she is the only hot woman in the world. Then i started acting funny, ''damn stacey, i think your friend would kill me if somebody offers her 1000 dollars, she doesnt like me at all''..both of these girls started laughing..i decided not to talk much till we get home so she doesnt familiarise that much with me. When we get home, stacey plats my hair, it gets really late (around 2 in the morning) and there are two beds in the bedroom (just for the record, me and this hot girl didnt exchange words till then). Stacey's friend occupies one bed and goes to sleep, later my friend stacey goes to another bed and my friend stacey tells me that i can sleep on her bed, i was like ok kool. I sit and watch tv, let some minutes go by and i go to staceys friend bed..soon as i lay on it, i put my dick on her ass (i still had my clothes on)..she gets all crazy, ''wtf, you thinking you are going to fuck me, you better behave yourself you know'' (she was going nuts but i had a feeling she wanted to fuck me, i was previously walking around the house without a tshirt)..so soon as she goes nuts on me, i tell her im going to sleep on the floor..then stacey asked me what happened, i was like ''well your friend is treating me as if i was a rapist, im trying to sleep and she is telling me something about me putting my dick on her ass, come on, i have my principles, i have sisters, i know how to respect women'' stacey tells me, ''pitt just come to my bed and sleep here''..i was like im good, i will just watch tv then i will leave when the morning comes..so i watch tv for 30 minutes without saying anything..next minute staceys hot friend tells me '''pitt, are you good?''..i told myself inside, im fucking this girl tonight..i answered ''yep....you acting as if i want to rape you so im just going to sleep on the floor''..she is like ''i didnt say that, you can sleep here if you want but just behave innit''..i sit and watch tv for two minutes or more, acted as if i lost interest then i jump on her bed..soon as i jumped on it, i started touching her, next minute she already has a condom on her hands...we fucked the whole night..i was so tired when i left the house.

So yeah there is not real special move there, i didnt game her, i think the circumstances just made me fuck her. Of course i also believe she had an interest in me when she saw me, but she is just one of these girls that wont show you interest even if she likes you.

For the girls talking on the phone, i just go direct to them and tell them i want to meet them, most of the time i get the number.

Post: #20

Pitt, was this in Angola or in the UK?

Post: #21

(12-06-2010 12:27 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  I have always believed that approaching girls in a nightclub/bar setting is much easier than approaching girls in, say, a grocery store, mall, etc., if only because the girls at the club are expecting you to approach them, and actually went to the club to be approached. However, a girl you meet at a store is there to shop, so there's a large chance you might be bothering her.
Lately though I'm starting to wonder, especially when I consider how tough meeting girls in a club setting actually is, if girls truly mind when you approach them cold on the street or in a store. When I see just how attention whoreish women are in the nightclubs, on FaceBook, My Space, etc., wouldn't most women, even if they aren't necessarily attracted to you, still be flattered by your approach, provided its respectful? I know when I think about approaching cold I get a sense that I'm going to bother her, since she's there for other purposes. Is this apprehension true, or should we tell ourselves that women in general like being approached, even if they do plan on turning you down. I'd just like to know what the other fellas on here think about the subject.

Actually, you don't really know why she's in the store. Maybe she's going to rob the place. Maybe she just wanted to get out of the house. Maybe she's waiting for a guy like you to come over and talk to her.

This isn't a thread about approach anxiety, but one thing is for sure: if you feel weird about the approach, she will too.

Like Mixx said, her approval should be the last thing on your mind. Approaching has to become normal to you. You have to get to a point where not approaching is the weird thing.

In a place like NYC, almost all girls put on their public poker faces, and it's often hard to read what they want. So, just take the chance and get a low investment conversation going with them.

Also, I think the ratio of clothing to skin needs to take into consideration the time of year (summer vs. winter). I'd use those ratios comparatively with whatever the norm is for how girls are dressing.

So, if she's 50% more uncovered than however most girls are dressed for that time of year, than approach full force. Etc.

Post: #22

(01-24-2012 02:19 PM)Moma Wrote:  Pitt, was this in Angola or in the UK?

That was in the uk.. what other girls will say ''innit''.

Post: #23

What women WANT is completely irrelevant, the trick is to find what they respond to. So don't bother looking for approval prior to the walk-up.

Post: #24

Women are like children, to view them as equals is to view a child as an equal when he acts bratty and annoying.

Game can be used to get you women, its that simple. I am having a hesitancy to use game as time goes by because I see the same problem, flaky irresponsible women, poor social skills. You can use game all you want but if a kid was acting like a little brat do you give him a candy or do you beat him up side the head. Spare the rod spoil the child. Game is ultimately just a coping strategy for dealing with women who have huge and gaping inadequacies in their personalities. Game doesn't address that most of everything a woman presents about herself is false and fake. Fake hair, fake nailes, fake height, fake tits, fake push up bra, fake big butt with special pants, fake face - its not even makeup anymore with all the products out there it just like wearing a damn mask.

Post: #25

Women want to be approached by guys they like. They don't like being approached by dudes with no game any more than you like it when a hideous land whale won't leave you alone in a bar.