Post: #1

Every single girl I see, my thoughts instantly go to seeing how we would work in a relationship. Any advice on how to not do this would be greatly appreciated.

Post: #2

View every girl as a slut

Post: #3

The first step is to recognize that you are a newbie, and to post this kind of thread there. You should also read through as much of that section as possible because there is a good chance that a lot of your questions will be answered.

Post: #4

(12-14-2013 01:45 PM)dads Wrote:  Every single girl I see, my thoughts instantly go to seeing how we would work in a relationship. Any advice on how to not do this would be greatly appreciated.

Volume will cure this. More, more more. You will discover that yes this or that girl may be special for this or that reason. Why? Because they're all special in some way. And most are the same in most ways.

You know what I hate most about game? That it works. Every time you use game on a chick and see her fall for it, you'll be sickened by her. You'll think about all the times you tried to get girls by being the honest nice guy, and all those chicks who ignored it for some dude who was going to spooge on her hair in a Denny's bathroom, and you'll wonder why the fuck you ever bothered.

Volume, volume, volume. Bang 2 girls a week for a couple of months, then come back and tell us how "special" you think they are.

Post: #5

(12-14-2013 08:48 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:  Every time you use game on a chick and see her fall for it, you'll be sickened by her.

THIS. Jesus Christ, this.

I recommend doing Roosh's 100 approach experiment. It's really an amazing concept.

Post: #6

Think back to a negative experience you have had with a girl. Then analyse it and break it down. Why was she a dick? Etc.

Then realise that 99% of girls are like that, and the ones that aren't are those that have had no previous sexual experience.

Post: #7

I don't know if McQueen came up with this or another author from ROK, but the one question that has been helping me destroying "the Pedestal" when you look at the girl and think warm and fuzzy feelings about her and how special she probably is, along with how pure and virginal compared to those other sluts was: "How many cocks has she put in her mouth before...?"

It works. When I see women that i start putting on pedestals and ask myself this and it brings me back to the cold, hard, reality that is life.

Post: #8

Having had lots of female friends in school and seeing the shit they regularly said/did inoculated me a bit. The bottom line: they are mostly slutty (slaves to emotions/tingles) and clueless about life. Also very insecure with little self-awareness. Only exceptions imo are ones that had both good role models and significant adversity to overcome at a young age which is retardedly rare. It's hard to be intimidated by someone you pity.

As far as them not looking/acting like what you think of as slutty I offer this: they don't "mean" to be slutty they are just impulsive and "innocent" in a way at first. They start on that path and society shelters and even encourages them. If they do get burned in any way they always get the benefit of the doubt so they play the victim to avoid responsibility and the pain that comes with it. Hence the behavior gets reinforced and a slut is born. This is why EVERY girl has an "asshole ex who broke my heart". A normal guy with healthy boundaries can become a monster in her eyes if things go south and she gets hurt. No need to check herself.

This is how "good girls" are slutty in practice but act outwardly wholesome and normal and are considered as such. They aren't evil just flawed and weak. It's the nature of the beast. Nothing to do but understand and make peace with it. Honestly it's a huge relief and self-esteem boost once you do.

Post: #9

(12-15-2013 11:20 PM)ikkyu Wrote:  Having had lots of female friends in school and seeing the shit they regularly said/did inoculated me a bit. The bottom line: they are mostly slutty (slaves to emotions/tingles) and clueless about life. Also very insecure with little self-awareness. Only exceptions imo are ones that had both good role models and significant adversity to overcome at a young age which is retardedly rare. It's hard to be intimidated by someone you pity.

Wow dude thats exactly like what happen with me,women inoculated me with straight up bullshit which I believed.

Post: #10

(12-15-2013 11:59 PM)Slade Wilson Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 11:20 PM)ikkyu Wrote:  Having had lots of female friends in school and seeing the shit they regularly said/did inoculated me a bit. The bottom line: they are mostly slutty (slaves to emotions/tingles) and clueless about life. Also very insecure with little self-awareness. Only exceptions imo are ones that had both good role models and significant adversity to overcome at a young age which is retardedly rare. It's hard to be intimidated by someone you pity.

Wow dude thats exactly like what happen with me,women inoculated me with straight up bullshit which I believed.

Well I meant inoculated like a vaccine. I saw how supposed decent normal girls really acted when I was young/impressionable so I didn't totally buy the bullshit since their actions contradicted it. Ofc I still had a lot of illusions and beta habits. The whole point of the red pill is seeing how all the pieces fit, I only had a very partial insight before

Post: #11

(12-16-2013 12:05 AM)ikkyu Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 11:59 PM)Slade Wilson Wrote:  

(12-15-2013 11:20 PM)ikkyu Wrote:  Having had lots of female friends in school and seeing the shit they regularly said/did inoculated me a bit. The bottom line: they are mostly slutty (slaves to emotions/tingles) and clueless about life. Also very insecure with little self-awareness. Only exceptions imo are ones that had both good role models and significant adversity to overcome at a young age which is retardedly rare. It's hard to be intimidated by someone you pity.

Wow dude thats exactly like what happen with me,women inoculated me with straight up bullshit which I believed.

Well I meant inoculated like a vaccine. I saw how supposed decent normal girls really acted when I was young/impressionable so I didn't totally buy the bullshit since their actions contradicted it. Ofc I still had a lot of illusions and beta habits. The whole point of the red pill is seeing how all the pieces fit, I only had a very partial insight before

Yea my best friend in high school was a female. So I went to her for advice on girls .I thought a female's advice would be helpful, especially my own best friend's, Oh how wrong I was.

Post: #12

How not to put chicks on a pedestal?

Best way to cure that: get into a few relationships. You'll be cured of pedestalization in no time.

Post: #13

As a general rule of thumb the only women who give good advice on relationships are lesbians. I was good friends with a pair of really horny lesbians and from them I learned to get into a girl's pants.

Post: #14

(12-16-2013 12:39 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  How not to put chicks on a pedestal?

Best way to cure that: get into a few relationships. You'll be cured of pedestalization in no time.

All it takes is one bad expeirence.

To the OP, read bang and some more posts. Get a feel for what game is and understand what you're playing with.

You will go through some really transformative experiences with your game that also will affect your mental, professional, and social edges of your life.

If you find yourself going down a dark hole of "Angry Beta!" don't be scared. We all go through it. Just understand why you feel that way and start working backwards. Your love of femininity will start to shine through and women will begin to look pretty again.

Post: #15

When you try to meet them and form relationships with those girls you will see that it's not that easy to make it 'work'. Sex appeal alone is not enough to have a good chemistry. You will also see that girls you get crush on initially have quite dorky personalities so that 'omg she's all that' myth you carry in your head will disappear. You just have to SEE IT FOR YOURSELF that girls are just girls. But damn, you're right, they're so good at dolling themselves up

Post: #16

Imagine them taking a shit. Imagine their forehead vein pop out as they squeeze the shit out of their asses. It'll make you realize they are as imperfect as you are.

Post: #17

Has it worked? Obviously not because you are here.

Think of how many times these girls have put you on a pedestal. Who has it been? Good girls? Bad girls? All of them?

I know in my case every time I put someone on a pedestal, and it doesn't matter what kind of girl, it backfires. You just have to realize this. You have to own it. Because if you don't, they own you. And if that happens it's never pretty.

Post: #18

(12-18-2013 07:12 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  As a general rule of thumb the only women who give good advice on relationships are lesbians. I was good friends with a pair of really horny lesbians and from them I learned to get into a girl's pants.

What advice did they give?

Post: #19

(12-25-2013 05:13 AM)markus85 Wrote:  

(12-18-2013 07:12 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  As a general rule of thumb the only women who give good advice on relationships are lesbians. I was good friends with a pair of really horny lesbians and from them I learned to get into a girl's pants.

What advice did they give?

I met them during my first self-improvement phase(the second being swallowing the red-pill) and had become lean and in shape. I knew them from before, but got involved with them after. Since I still believed in actual relationships with women, I more than often went to them for advice. They taught me how to talk to women, how to kiss, how to get what I wanted out of a relationship, and some of the more sensual parts of sex(fingering,the right way to grab a pair of tits, etc.). I was more or less used as a toy by them so they could have their own fun, but I didn't mind and it became the basis of a mutual friendship. I'm kind of sad that I didn't keep in touch after I moved to a different part of my city.

Post: #20

The best cure is to hang around more girls.

About a month ago I staying in an all girl's dorm. When I woke up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom I walked in on a drunk girl peeing in the shower. All the toilets were open, so it wasn't like there was a reason for this.

A lot of girls I'm around also never get up before noon, and don't really have a lot of ambition. They basically live to post things to social media or go out and party. That's pretty much it.

Without trying to sound like some bitter dude, the majority of women don't have a whole lot going on for them outside of their looks.

That's kind of what keeps me from putting them on a pedestal.

Post: #21

If you put them on pedestal, you won't be able to put them on THE pedestal

Post: #22

http://www.anonib.com, click on your state and be shocked at how many girls you probably know.

Post: #23

(12-27-2013 06:15 PM)Luccheese Wrote:  http://www.anonib.com, click on your state and be shocked at how many girls you probably know.

Dude, thanks for sharing. I just saw a couple girls I know up there.

Post: #24

If your thoughts reflexively go to this line of thinking, there's nothing wrong with it and no need to fight with those thoughts or try to stop them per se.

Like @shotgun mentioned, putting yourself out there a LOT will reset your expectations more realistically.

Just approach a lot of girls, have as many interactions as you can, have as much sex as you can, and then you'll have enough information to make up your mind about what you believe/don't believe about yourself, women, etc.

As a side note, the mind chatters all the time. It's tempting to catch hold of a thought, say "oh that's a bad belief to have" and then try to fight your way out of it. You'll always have whack thoughts and random shit running through your mind till the day you day, no matter how much ass you get. The point is to take positive action despite any of the ultimately inconsequential noise going on upstairs.

Post: #25

I'm a newbie too bro. Its gonna take time to get out of that mindset but the best way to cure it, just like everyone has been saying, is read up and holler at hoes in real life. I still get very tempted to wife up every hoe I see when I'm unaware that I really want is the pussy. Talk talk talk. Game game game. When u think about that girl u put on a pedestal, beat ur meat, then see if u even give a fuck about her afterwards.