Post: #101

My life got off track in college, between pursuing a career path I wasn't interested in and a draining 4.5 year relationship/engagement (gag me). Prior to this, I was all set on being a world traveler. A romantic notion, if naive. Right now, I want to live abroad, end of story. I am passionate about writing and languages, and teaching is only a means to an end. I don't know how or if I will be able to start a business or network my way into a great job in China, but I figure I have a better shot at seeing the world from a base in China than I do in the suburbs of Baltimore or DC working a shitty lab job with my biology degree.

I would absolutely prefer Indonesia or Thailand or Vietnam, but I've gotten zero responses from jobs there.

Post: #102

Then if teaching s your thing, then Taiwan would be a much better option than China. To see and learn more about networking and business is done in China, then spend an hour or two or ten here: theelevatorlife.com

You will earn more about living and doing business in China there than anywhere else on the web!

You could also teach in Vietnam but the best way to get jobs there is to be there. With 10k you'd have enough to buy you at least 6 months in most of Asia (save Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan). Go there, travel around, have a blast and make your way to Saigon where you can ind a teaching job and network with entrepreneurs as its a hot bed of digital nomads there.

Post: #103

Agreed 100% Taiwan/Thailand/Vietnam.. we'll see about your resume and stuff, maybe spruce it up a bit so that those places are interested in taking you on. I got into teaching because I like being around people and really like being the center of attention (hence the dance thread). Something really appeals to me about leading groups of people in games or activities. I get paid decently because I actually enjoy the job, A LOT of people hate it, especially introverts and engineering grads. Game came naturally to me also and sarging is something I really enjoyed doing... still enjoy it, even if the wife is two feet away haha. Anyway, if you are a people person then this stuff will come to you naturally and you'll be turning people down left,right and center. Otherwise, you might hate it. If you like the rave scene / nightclubs then you are a shoe in, alot of the best kids teachers used to be rave dj's back in TO and the USA, I know a few of them here. You gotta be the 'life of the party guy' to really get the most out of this job. The first few years, you'll just spend in a daze partying and getting laid... the only ENGLISH teachers who are really academic nerdy types are the people at home who are REAL teachers... ESL is a party career and you've got to be a party person to really enjoy it... probably why we all burn out early. A lot of people get into this job thinking they'll be TEACHERS or helping adults perfect their grammar: HAHA. The majority of it is spent keeping a conversation flowing, you can't let students get bored at ANY TIME or you are pretty much fired. You will develop the ability to make people trust you and WANT to talk to you, you will develop 'game/charm' or you will crash and burn. As a kids teacher, you are basically a party clown... as an adult's teacher you are a bartender/waiter/psychologist/barber minus the job skills. You are sometimes a sounding board for people's problems and the best teacher's can dig conversation out of students. If a student is quiet, you've got to MAKE them speak. If its a woman, you've got to find those 'threads' that she wants to talk about, you have to make her trust you and then you get to know all her little secrets and things... later you become her 'weekend boyfriend'. This job is made for PUAs, the jealousy between female adult students can get a little out of hand at times though.

In an English Corner, you are in front of 40 EXTREMELY BORING ADULTS for an hour whose lives consist of TV/SLEEP and WORK and you have to make them have fun. Think Tony Robbins meets Mystery, you have to be the guy women want to bed and men want to be friends with. You need to involve almost EVERYONE and keep them all talking and interested, its really tough sometimes and every now and then you are gonna run into a heckler or some assh0le/b1tch who is gonna be a smart ass and derail your talk. Some people flip out, I've seen a woman puke, I saw a guy feint once, if you get nervous making speeches or being in the center of the dance floor with the spotlight on you, then ESL will make you piss yourself scared. If you are overweight, women will call you on it, they will just say point blank "Why are you so fat?", "Are most men losers where you come from? Are all English teachers losers?". You gotta be able to keep going even when you think your students all fvking hate your classes... kids... are much easier to teach in that you drop 5 games, scream at them to sit down, read from a book and the class is over. ESL is really the popularity contest you played in high school; everyone wanted to be friends with the cool guys and the class clowns were entertaining and got all the attention. You have to be both, if this doesn't sound appealing, run away. Nerds have no place in ESL.

Teaching/Sales/Networking all go hand in hand. Most of us fvckin hate math and science though.

Post: #104

(12-19-2013 10:46 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Then if teaching s your thing, then Taiwan would be a much better option than China. To see and learn more about networking and business is done in China, then spend an hour or two or ten here: theelevatorlife.com

You will earn more about living and doing business in China there than anywhere else on the web!

You could also teach in Vietnam but the best way to get jobs there is to be there. With 10k you'd have enough to buy you at least 6 months in most of Asia (save Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan). Go there, travel around, have a blast and make your way to Saigon where you can ind a teaching job and network with entrepreneurs as its a hot bed of digital nomads there.

Indeed, the demand for English teachers here in Taiwan is incredibly high as well.

Even if you are not a contract teacher you can still earn decent money just by substituting other English teachers who decided to have a few weeks of vacations. You can earn around $700NT per hour as a substitute, that's like $23 USD per hour, and I am not kidding.

Post: #105

(12-19-2013 09:12 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  the only problem is you can't get the work visa that way anymore... you have to get it from home now first. If you have money then yeah for sure, come here and tour a bit, investigate the different schools and make a decision but if you're a new kid out of college then its better to just take something (not that one) and tough it out for your first year before you can bounce.

Could he get the visa from some other nearby country? In other words, visit China as a tourist and find a job, then fly to Singapore, Bangkok, or some place nearby, and get his work visa via the Chinese embassy there?

Post: #106

Quote:Could he get the visa from some other nearby country? In other words, visit China as a tourist and find a job, then fly to Singapore, Bangkok, or some place nearby, and get his work visa via the Chinese embassy there?

No the only way to stay longer would be to get married. You have to return home for a Z visa. (the legal working visa). HK no longer issues Z or F visas (what I'm told).

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I'll give you an idea of what you'll be dealing with.

Today I did an open class 5 children, 2 of them new. 3 were bad before but now they are pretty good, just needed ALOT of discipline and rules, now they police the others kids. On to the story... this rich mom and dad bring this kid in, the kids spends the first 10 minutes rolling around on the floor. He can't stay focused for more than 3 seconds, doesn't even respond to his own name English/Chinese. It's an indicator of being spoiled, I pull his parents aside and tell them their child needs some strict rules and they are not pulling their weight. If the kid joins the class he needs to be disciplined at home, no video games/movies/cartoons/tv/candy if he's bad. Both parents mouths are agape, this is china, parents NEVER hit/talk or doing anything to stop their kids. Class CONTINUES and I seat mom beside her kid. We play a game and mom fvcks up and loses for her team, kid walks right up to her and punches her TWICE in the nose full on. Kid is about 10 years-old, mom bursts into tears covers her face while blood is dripping over her fingers and from her nose. Dad DOES NOTHING but watches in silence. I say "hit the little fvcker and I make a back hand movement". Nothing is done. I tell them, the child will only try that once if you hit him. Anyway... this kid happens to like all pink, I made balloons for the kids after and they got to choose from 4 colors, this kid picked ALL PINK... The parents don't understand how I control their kids, thats why I always get them signing up... so bloody mom and dad sign their names on the paper... MOST CHILDREN in English classrooms in CHINA are like this. You must know how to discipline these little fvcks, I recommend watching dog training videos (no joke).

Starting to think homosexuality is a result of failed parenting.

Post: #107

I can't speak to China it's self but I have had a lot of luck with Shanghai girls and they all tell me that if I were to go over there I would be mobbed by women or they have a cousin they think would like me, all this right after I get done fucking. Problem is I meet most of these girls in libert ports and I'm gone within the next couple of days.

Post: #108

@BadWolf- Im suprised you don't use corporal punishment. When I went to elementary school w/my Taiwanese cousins they would punish them by 1) after-school cleaning the class-room 2) having them stretch out their hands and the teachers would smack their knuckles with a flat ruler. Needless to say, people behaved.

Post: #109

For a non native speaker of english is ESL still a viable option? I speak it perfectly but eh...

Post: #110

(12-20-2013 12:08 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  For a non native speaker of english is ESL still a viable option? I speak it perfectly but eh...

How white are you?

Post: #111

Green eyed, I am white but a "clear" white, don't have those red-ish tones many whiteys do.

(12-20-2013 06:23 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 12:08 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  For a non native speaker of english is ESL still a viable option? I speak it perfectly but eh...

How white are you?

Post: #112

Quote:@BadWolf- Im suprised you don't use corporal punishment. When I went to elementary school w/my Taiwanese cousins they would punish them by 1) after-school cleaning the class-room 2) having them stretch out their hands and the teachers would smack their knuckles with a flat ruler. Needless to say, people behaved.

I use a variation of it. As a teacher I can't smack the kid (legally) even though I have permission from the parents, it's really THEIR job not mine.
Instead I just penalize the entire group with homework, his classmates will eventually shun him from the group or actively attack him ala Full Metal Jacket (when the fat private is asleep and the others beat the sh1t out of him). If a kid gets really out of hand, he goes to the wall or the front of the class and holds up a chair over his head, if its too light, I pile on books until it hurts. I don't know why but this breaks children in China, they all cry. I also make sure to make a VISIBLE example of them to the rest of the children. This works very quickly in the primary schools as the bad kids will be sitting next to the 40 or so other children , ALL DAY, who now have to write a 10 page essay. When we play games, there are REAL penalties for losing or getting a negative score, children must understand that there are consequences to failure/disobedience.


The fact of the matter is about 90% of parents in China do not do ANY parenting. Most of them just see their children once in awhile and think their job is to give the kids some candy or whatever else the child demands. You'd think the child was the boss and the parents/aunt/uncle/grandparents were the children. I have seen kids point at something, kick and scream and have their parents buy it+++ until the child stops. It's truly sickening, or they just ignore the child altogether which doesn't work either and the child continues on crying until they get something else they want. The parents do nothing because they believe that if the child has 'hurt feelings' he won't take care of them when they are older, so they do everything in their power to appease these little fvcks. They don't understand that the more they give in, the less the child respects them... also most acted the exact same way as children and ALSO have no idea how to be regular human beings.

It's really important that we as MEN learn to properly parent kids or they turn into narcissistic little a$sholes later on, not to mention huge cry babies. It sort of disgusts me how the Chinese men act, they are sort of their to make money and watch tv and they think that's all they should do. Most don't even acknowledge their children except to smile and hand out a candy now and then, I'm serious. They don't talk to their children regularly, they ASK their children what they'd like to do, kids don't know what the fvck they want... but the adults look to the children for direction. For instance, when the parents come to pick up their kids from school, often the child will be playing with the others or some toy. The parent will patiently wait (for hours in some cases) for the child to finish playing. They parents will call the children's names (which the kids promptly ignore) and ever so gently motion or tap the child on the back, which the child shrugs off. This is not an isolated thing, every school I've ever worked at, the MAJORITY of the children act like this. The parents claim that they don't want to 'hurt their little hearts' with harsh language, tones or penalties.

FUCK

THAT

NOISE

There is so much disrespect in China its maddening and its because everyone has this stupid fvcking HANDS OFF attitude about bad behavior. Can you imagine never correcting anyone's bad habits from the time they were born, welcome to China.

The job here is NOT to teach English so much as it is to act as a surrogate PARENT because the parents are either to concerned with money/video-games/affairs/vanity to adequately raise their children. Yes grown men instead of taking care of their children, sit and play video-games. I've seen it on the train, a father is playing a game on his phone while the child is throwing a tantrum, then the kid tries to play and the father yanks it away and continues to play.

I am a firm believer in 'spare the rod, spoil the chiid' which is strange because my parents didn't hit me very often.

Readers, if you do the deed and you get her pregnant with your SPERM, I implore you to take the responsibility of raising said child. You and you ALONE are responsible for how this person turns out later in life. Children, left to their own devices become total a$$holes without proper guidance. It's no wonder so many single mom's have out of control kids. We NEED proper STRICT father's to take care of children. THIS might be where the cult of me, took over the 1st world countries. Feral kids are actively looking for guidance, and if they aren't getting it at home, will seek it anywhere they CAN get it.

Post: #113

A user asked me this in PM and I thought I'd post it for everyone's benefit.
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What methods do you use to discipline your older students?

With the young ones I stick the points on either side of the board. (Really gets them to shut the fuck up in my experience).

But the older ones probably won't take to that, and will see through my 'reward' of a lollipop to the winning team members after six weeks.

Thanks,
Rooshuser.

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Kids in China only ever get rewards, its time to dole out some punishments. BTW smile when you dole out their 'new' rewards and walk into class with a completely new attitude. Watch Sgt. Slaughter from GI Joe, or Starship Troopers, Aliens... any movie or show with a hard ass drill sergeant. Never drop your new persona

Rewards are as follows:

Say this with a straight serious face: 1 team will get VERY small erasers if they are VERY good. (no screaming, shouting or moving body parts. They sit military style, hands in front at all times). Show them some of those ultra small angry bird erasers. The first class you show them, they might 'poo poo it, or say BIG DEAL?!?!', that's my favorite response. Demonstrate this with your TA:

Say 1,2 and within two seconds if they don't have this done, take a point off the board. Then say "STAND UP" and the TA should stand, salute and at the top of her lungs scream "YES SIR!". Try this with the children, the first two times will be half assed. By the 40th time, the kids will have it down pat and doing it in unison. Don't stop until they have this shit ingrained in their heads, eventually you should only need to whisper with a stern look and a class of 50 kids will be standing at attention within 10 seconds. No more candies. Do it every class, at the beginning and at the end. Walk through the rows for 'inspection', once you get this perfected, the other teachers will be in awe of you.

Now as for the teams/rows who lose... announce with a big smile, "FOR THE REST OF YOU LOSERS! YOU GET HOMEWORK" and not a little bit, a fuck load of it and you should be sadistic when handing it out. Smile and tell them you loooove losers and bad children and you love giving homework. Find that one little fuck in the row that causes shit and give that row homework EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN TIME he steps out of line. They will cry, scream, pound their feet. The more they do this the more homework you pile on. You gotta have fun too right, so I gleefully walk around the class listening and watching for even the slightest hint of disobedience, I only need to turn my head when I'm writing and like dominoes they are sitting there with eyes forward, arms folded. My classes look like 50 soldiers standing at attention. Strangely enough the kids absolutely LOVE THIS. They FIGHT to compete against each other because essentially the winners are GIVING the rest of the class homework, and one thing Chinese love to do is gain power/face over another.

Prizes do not motivate children as much as RAW FEAR. If those kids are afraid of you, they respect you. If you play the 'nicety nice western teacher' they don't give a fuck about anything you say or do. You know Chinese do this, they look for the weak in society and then stomp on them or take advantage of the situation. Do not give these fvckers and inch. Make a threat, and carry through with it. That's the secret, don't threaten to punch students or anything physical, just say, you'll get homework or stand in front of the class. The kid will test you, as soon as he does, the punishment kicks in, I don't even hesitate. You need to be in control at all times, they will eventually defer to you for everything. You sound like a young guy, cause I notice a lot of the 20 something, young guys around the city wearing hipster fashion. When I first started, I was a nice guy with students and found eventually they would take advantage of that, when I became the drill sergeant (I went to school for policing) the kids started treating me with an immense amount of respect. I am the highest recommended teacher in my schools and currently run a training program for the other teachers. Women teachers don't agree with my methods, so I promptly tell them to fuck off and go home. You have to be the MAN and the one who makes the rules. There is no kissing, hugging or emotionally charged bullshit in my class, if a TA tries that with a student, I tell her she can leave. Stick to your guns and never back down.

Also bro, talk to the parents and talk to them like you talk to a child. I look them straight in the face and tell them they have FAILED as parents and their children will FAIL in life because of it. I don't pull any punches, the parents need to know that what they are doing is seriously fucking up their children and that they need to take responsibility as parents or later their children will grow into failed adults. The real kicker is when the parents agree with you and back you, so the kids are shitting bricks if they are reprimanded in school.

Treat teens no different. I say do a roleplay, they fuckin do it. Teens, especially asian teens are socially awkward. So what do we do in the game with socially awkard nerds? We MAKE them sarge and do 100's of number closes, eventually they drop that shit. What do I do with teens, put them through 100's of role-plays and make them talk about embarrassing shit on the spot, in front of the class. If they don't do it, I tell admin or faculty, I'm quitting, that usually gets a prompt response from the school. They hate me for the first half of the class because they don't understand WHY you are making them do this when no other person in their life has ever made them do anything they don't like. You do this until they are so comfortable that they walk up and do it naturally as if its nothing special. I also give them homework to do and by that I mean, they have to do something socially awkward outside of class and report back on it. It could be as simple as walking into a crowded elevator, facing the crowd and staring at all of them while the elevator descends. Later they get more challenging... I recommend you learn how to dance, breakdance/popping and locking work especially well, then make your class go home and learn ONE move. They have to comeback and demonstrate it infront of the entire class AND teach them. At the end, all of your kids will know how to dance. This is highly usual for asian teens and they get a lot of enjoyment out of it. You must keep the challenges going every class, you are going to break them and rebuild them. Whatever you ask of them, you have to be able to do yourself, with a straight face. You have to be something that these children ASPIRE to become. Asian kids are awkward and they WANT more than ANYTHING to be more socially in control, you as a red piller/PUA can offer them this.

Then you take them into the field. I teach my kids how to sell shit (same as pickup) to random strangers. My first field class is to give them freedom to go out in groups (which I select) and they must come back with 20 phone numbers/emails of people they APPROACHED and made English conversation with on the street. I stay close enough to watch them, some of them fuck off to McDonald, that's ok... as long as they get the work done. In the second class they give a report and act out the funny situations infront of the others to see (field-report). I usually give them an opener to work with, the goal is to make conversation: "Hey did you see the fight over there!".

Second class, I give them all pencils and erasers and they have to go out and sell them (beg) for a dollar each and convince people to give them money, believe me, it works. then a field report...

Third field class I give them GARBAGE out of the bin, tell them to sell it and get a dollar for it. By that time they are confident in who they are and it becomes a competition. Teens will respect you because you are giving them LIFE SKILLS, not just reading from some damn book. Teens 16+ love this shit.

Again you have to be that drill instructor and when they say "I hate you teacher" its gotta roll off your back because eventually they're gonna say "I love you teacher". You are giving them something they've never had before, guidance. I give my kids nick names, at first they don't like it but eventually they'll be refferring to one another by that name to a point where they'll respond to that name over their regular name. For instance I currently have a group of 5 children:

Sucks-Man
Ladies-Man
Garbage-Man
Mega-Man
and
Jingle Bell Jack

Even the other teachers call them by callsign. It gives them an identity among the group and something to feel like they can own that's all theirs. No different than what we call each other in the forums. If its a large class of 40 or so kids, I don't address anyone individually or give them names. They are all known by their rows or teams. I say to them when they get points "WHO ARE YOU?" and a child will promptly yell back "RED TEAM!". Children who were enemies previously are die hard comrades by the end of the semester. They will suffer the same consequences and share in the same rewards as their fellow teammates.

Once you learn to teach kids like this, each NEW 'unruly' class becomes a project and both Chinese and Western staff will be absolutely blown away by your level of skill and control in the classroom. What you do will look effortless but when another teacher tries to take the reigns and pull that nicety nice crap, they will only get chaos. Teachers are LEADERS and you must develop leadership skills, your followers are depending on it.

I learned this from the nicest phillipino teacher you will ever meet. He'd walk into a class, yell "sit nicely" and the kids would be at attention. When he would show a 'reward' like half of his peanut butter sandwich the kids would cry, and go nuts for the chance to win it.

Post: #114

Phenomenal posts BW!!! Just wow!

Seriously, you should open your own school and before long franchise the idea! Get one of your classes to be video taped where you show the transformation with the kids. Send those tapes to investors and I'm convinced you will find investors to invest in this type of "revolutionary" teachings. This is a B-B-Billionnn Dollar + potential empire that you are sitting on man!

This is what the schools around the world should be teaching kids as opposed to effeminate them and brainwashing them with their feminazi, fagget friendly garbage as we are seeing at an alarmingly increasing rate in the west.

It's old school traditional methods like these which have a chance of saving the world and the future generations from falling into mediocrity and laziness and turni g everyone into a bunch of irresponsible spoilt brats.

If I were a parent, this is the kind of teacher and teaching I would want and demand my child to learn from! Not the beta hipster faggot or delusioned land whale!

BW, do you have any plans of teaching in Canada? More importantly, would you be able to use those same methods in a school in Canada?

Post: #115

Great posts BadWolf. Do you think the lack of discipline of children in China is due to the one-child policy ("little emperor syndrome")? The parents can have only one child, so it's precious and they spoil them.

Post: #116

After a year of teaching in China, I totally agree with BadWolf on how to teach class. Use the Chinese system of "saving face" against your students, shame the shit out of some of those little bastards and the rest will keep them in line to get a reward. I'd have my kids stand up and would take their chair away if they were fucking around, or I'd open the door and tell them to get out, once the public humiliation set in you couldn't ask for a better student. The kids were like sharks in the water and singling one out would turn into a feeding frenzy.

One phrase even my little kids learned was, "No Chinese in English class!" They'd yell it at each other whenever someone said anything in Chinese that wasn't a question, even me. For the older kids who were used to Westerners either being boring or giving in to their every demand, I'd bribe them with a giant bag of tootsie rolls. Western candy might as well be crack, I've never seen such a well behaved group of teenagers.

Learning to say "Sit well", "Retard", and "Be quiet" in Chinese also helped for an extra kick if I needed it.

After my first semester my school asked if I could stay and teach a course during winter break, seriously hampering my vacation time. I agreed on the condition that I'd get more pay per hour and an extra day off during the week for the rest of the school year, turning into an extra ¥600/month. All the other foreigners had already turned them down, so they were desperate and agreed. I had to cancel my awesome vacation, but it was worth it when the rest of the foreigners came back and found out that I was making more money for less work. They tried to renegotiate their salaries and were pissed when our principal flat out asked them what they were going to give in return for more money and they couldn't offer anything. If you want to negotiate those contracts, take the Chinese staff at your school out for dinner once or twice or give them a bottle of booze or a couple packs of smokes from the west. I got out of my contract a month early (with pay!), again infuriating all the other foreigners at my school, because I had a great relationship with the staff.

The school I was at worked like hell to keep me before I left. They offered more pay, even less hours, the ability to choose the classes I wanted to teach and which Chinese teachers I wanted to work with, all because I was making them bank. I had students crying when they learned I wasn't coming back.

Of the people I met in China there were three types: Couldn't work in the west for because they had a record/were evading the irs/were being crippled by alimony, they were total alcoholics who would manage to blow their entire budget on booze and be broke before their next paycheck (when you're spending thousands of RMB on tsingtao you fucked up), and people who had a plan in mind for how their time in China would affect their future.

If you're going there, make sure it's going to affect your future positively. No heat in the winter + immersion in a completely different culture + smog so thick you can feel it = the weak getting weeded out real quick. I lost count of the people who came and left after a month, or who spent their time hating everything after a couple weeks. Have a plan and have a plan for sticking to it. Make sure that plan doesn't necessitate internet, electricity, or running water available at all times.

*China is not easy on foreigners outside Beijing and Shanghai.
*Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan may as well be on the moon.
*The "Little Emperor" thing is hard to believe until you see it.

Post: #117

(12-20-2013 06:25 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Green eyed, I am white but a "clear" white, don't have those red-ish tones many whiteys do.

(12-20-2013 06:23 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 12:08 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  For a non native speaker of english is ESL still a viable option? I speak it perfectly but eh...

How white are you?

I know plenty of non-native speakers who have made money teaching English in China. Sometimes, they are more competitive than native speakers with black or brown skin.

However, it might be difficult to get a work visa without being a native English speaker from an approved country. If you were in the country on another visa (student, tourist), you could definitely find part time work and make the same money that a full time employee would.

But you need to realize that it is getting harder and harder to get other long term visas.

Post: #118

I would venture doing ESL in Asia, not specifically in China though, I COULD go to Macao which is a former portuguese territory and its a bit easier for us because there is an historical factor, and asians do have memory. I could teach portuguese too which is more and more in demand. Although I'm pretty sure I would prefer Taiwan over China. More my style and less unpredictable I suppose.

(12-23-2013 03:31 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 06:25 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Green eyed, I am white but a "clear" white, don't have those red-ish tones many whiteys do.

(12-20-2013 06:23 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 12:08 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  For a non native speaker of english is ESL still a viable option? I speak it perfectly but eh...

How white are you?

I know plenty of non-native speakers who have made money teaching English in China. Sometimes, they are more competitive than native speakers with black or brown skin.

However, it might be difficult to get a work visa without being a native English speaker from an approved country. If you were in the country on another visa (student, tourist), you could definitely find part time work and make the same money that a full time employee would.

But you need to realize that it is getting harder and harder to get other long term visas.

Post: #119

(12-23-2013 11:52 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I would venture doing ESL in Asia, not specifically in China though, I COULD go to Macao which is a former portuguese territory and its a bit easier for us because there is an historical factor, and asians do have memory. I could teach portuguese too which is more and more in demand. Although I'm pretty sure I would prefer Taiwan over China. More my style and less unpredictable I suppose.

(12-23-2013 03:31 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 06:25 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Green eyed, I am white but a "clear" white, don't have those red-ish tones many whiteys do.

(12-20-2013 06:23 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 12:08 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  For a non native speaker of english is ESL still a viable option? I speak it perfectly but eh...

How white are you?

I know plenty of non-native speakers who have made money teaching English in China. Sometimes, they are more competitive than native speakers with black or brown skin.

However, it might be difficult to get a work visa without being a native English speaker from an approved country. If you were in the country on another visa (student, tourist), you could definitely find part time work and make the same money that a full time employee would.

But you need to realize that it is getting harder and harder to get other long term visas.

It'll take some looking, but I can't imagine that you wouldn't be able to find something acceptable, between fluency in English and Portuguese, your white skin and willingness to consider all opportunities.

If you really want to find out, do a three month course of Chinese language training in GZ/SZ area. This will allow you establish a cheap center of operations and you'd be able to try out some part time positions in the area (there is plenty of demand for part time teachers, you should be able to make just as much or close to as much as full time teachers with Z visas). You'll have a chance to visit Macau, Taiwan, Thailand and Vietnam and interview for some positions.

Tuition for three months is only like $1500 and if money is an issue, you can live in some school dorms for like $150 per month and eat cheap canteen food until you have some cash flow coming in.

You could attempt to eyeball it from the outside and apply via email and Skype, but that way you NEVER know what you are getting yourself into until you arrive.

Post: #120

Long story short, Asia seems a more and more attractive destination in many levels, however the languages section is mostly a backup plan but considering how the market is for my major it is one that I should seriously start considering... I also speak perfect Spanish, advanced French and Italian and moderate German. But these are just extras I suppose.

(12-23-2013 01:07 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-23-2013 11:52 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I would venture doing ESL in Asia, not specifically in China though, I COULD go to Macao which is a former portuguese territory and its a bit easier for us because there is an historical factor, and asians do have memory. I could teach portuguese too which is more and more in demand. Although I'm pretty sure I would prefer Taiwan over China. More my style and less unpredictable I suppose.

(12-23-2013 03:31 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-20-2013 06:25 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Green eyed, I am white but a "clear" white, don't have those red-ish tones many whiteys do.

(12-20-2013 06:23 PM)Suits Wrote:  How white are you?

I know plenty of non-native speakers who have made money teaching English in China. Sometimes, they are more competitive than native speakers with black or brown skin.

However, it might be difficult to get a work visa without being a native English speaker from an approved country. If you were in the country on another visa (student, tourist), you could definitely find part time work and make the same money that a full time employee would.

But you need to realize that it is getting harder and harder to get other long term visas.

It'll take some looking, but I can't imagine that you wouldn't be able to find something acceptable, between fluency in English and Portuguese, your white skin and willingness to consider all opportunities.

If you really want to find out, do a three month course of Chinese language training in GZ/SZ area. This will allow you establish a cheap center of operations and you'd be able to try out some part time positions in the area (there is plenty of demand for part time teachers, you should be able to make just as much or close to as much as full time teachers with Z visas). You'll have a chance to visit Macau, Taiwan, Thailand and Vietnam and interview for some positions.

Tuition for three months is only like $1500 and if money is an issue, you can live in some school dorms for like $150 per month and eat cheap canteen food until you have some cash flow coming in.

You could attempt to eyeball it from the outside and apply via email and Skype, but that way you NEVER know what you are getting yourself into until you arrive.

Post: #121

Any of you guys ever pull off Badoo in the big cities in China?

Reminds me of American dating websites like PoF.. I.e. girls are picky as fuck. I only get responses from average girls.

Competition on there is fierce seems like. Lots of model and rich looking guys. Of course you never see them walking around during the day. Fake maybe?

Post: #122

Suits,
Tell me more about reaching Portuguese in Macao. I assume it would be continental Portuguese and not Brazilian hey? I'd be interested to knw if anyone has taught any ther a gauge than English. Specially curious about French, Portuguese and Italian.

Post: #123

I can answer this one.
Mostly European portuguese yes, this also counts for other regions of Asia, even if Brazillian portuguese is more important and more spoken. It's kind of a cultural thing, Portugal has or had ties with many countries of the zone. In Macao it was even an honour to eat at the same table a portuguese was eating. I know someone that might be going there for a masters too. It's a huge opportunity for many Portuguese.

(12-23-2013 10:33 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Suits,
Tell me more about reaching Portuguese in Macao. I assume it would be continental Portuguese and not Brazilian hey? I'd be interested to knw if anyone has taught any ther a gauge than English. Specially curious about French, Portuguese and Italian.

Post: #124

I am also very interested in Macao, sounds like a very interesting and awesome place. Sadly there is not much information here about Macao, and no dedicated thread to it either I believe.

Post: #125

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when you're spending thousands of RMB on tsingtao you fucked up

Met four of them last night at a bar, been in China like 15 years or something, working at a kids training school. So shit faced the one guy was crying and totally incoherent, the other 3 looked so hostile, I didn't bother to talk to them, they were anything but good with the ladies. They kept buying rounds for their table, they seemed to be regulars cause they pretty much stayed quiet the entire night in their corner.. those are the teachers I regularly run into... OR the other type of douche, who stop talking to me when I mention ANYTHING anti-western/feminist as in 3 or 4 twenty somethings at another place who seemed to know everything and were all married to AMERICAN broads but were all in China with them. Those are the people I really shake my head at.... I mean talk about a life of endless torture, surrounded by hot, petite, Chinese but chained to some fat western blob. These are the teachers here you just look at and think, WHY?