Post: #2151

(Yesterday 02:11 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(Yesterday 01:44 AM)Themin Wrote:  oops didn't know, thanks. (although I don't see an issue, we've been together for a few months, essentially my ex gf)

Good call

Forum rules See #7

Imagine if she ever caught wind her pics were here? She could create an account and doxx you....thats just one possible scenario

agreed on the rules, no issue following them of course!
As for the legality of it, I didn't say or post anything libelous, slanderous, offensive or illegal as far as I am aware, they were normal pics
Anyway thanks a lot for the heads up, won't make same mistake again

Post: #2152

I've been lurking in this board off and on for years. (I also got banned by Thutmosis under another name, for some reason, thankfully that tyrant is gone.) I'm 56, long ago retired, spend most of the year traveling, mostly hiking in Europe or bicycle touring in the USA alone, but the summers I spend in cities in Ukraine because it's to hot to be hiking and camping then, at least for me. Right now I'm in Kiev and will be here until Aug 20. After that, the mountains of Bulgaria.

I have a hobby involving music/dance that I don't get to practice in the USA but is very big here, which gets me into contact with tons of pretty young girls. I'm in good shape myself, including 6-pack if I tense the right muscles and strong enough shoulders to easily lift the girls overhead (why I'm valued in this group, because many men can't do that). If I wanted, I could probably hook up. Girls as young as 19 are sending signals, but the problem is I don't want to poison the waters if things go sour. Don't shit where you eat. Dancing is a lot more important than sex for me right now, and a lot of the older girls are very suspicious of me as a sex tourist and I don't want rumors going around. My Russian is intermediate level now, so I can't be very subtle like in English, but I can get my points across crudely. Some of the girls are fluent in English, but most just beginner level.

Older guys looking for wives/children: there is a ton of average looking girls age 25 who would be ecstatic to marry a man with a steady income who is willing to relocate to Ukraine and help raise a family, including men in their 50's. That's not for me, however. And average looking here is pretty by USA standards, plus the girls have nice dispositions. I strongly recommend against bringing a young Ukrainian wife to the USA. No matter how well-behaved she is here, she will be corrupted if you bring her to the USA. Much simpler to relocate here. $2000/month is big money here, especially if you have a Ukrainian wife so you pay local prices. Even $1000/month is good away from kiev. Learn Russian so you can get access to all the girls, not just the minority who speak English.

Anyway, Kiev is a wonderful place to be other than in deep winter. I don't know why people call it a shithole. It is nicer than places like Wahington DC and San Francisco were in the 1990's when I lived in those cities. (My USA official residence now is back of bumfuck, but I just use that place to store my touring bicycle, don't actually live there.) The ballet and opera, for example are still excellent, even though many of the best performers left for greener parties due to low salaries here. I get great seats at the last minute for $8 versus having to plan in advance and pay $100+ in Washington/San Francisco. My apartment is $20/night and very nice. Sweet cherries in season $2/kg. Beautiful weather for now (it can get steamy in late July).

The big thing in my life now is that I've lost interest in sex. Still get morning erections (had one for like an hour this morning), still plenty of physical energy, but zero libido for real sex. I do crave masturbation but I'm refraining from it. I'm going to get my T checked though I don't have the usual low T symptoms. Maybe I just dined too much at the shit buffet that is modern American women and that ruined my appetite for all women, even the nice ones like here on Ukraine.

Maybe the reasiom Thutmosis banned me was my open-minded attitude towards paying younger women. I'm not interested in P4P in the sense of going to brothels to empty my balls (I'd rather masturbate) but I'd be very ashamed of myself if a penniless Ukrainian college girl in her early 20's or 19 offered me a good time in bed and she got nothing out of it but a good time herself. So yes, any young girlfriend here is going to get money from me, even if she doesn't ask for it or acts confused when I give it to her (I explain I want her to use the money to make time in her life for me, for example taking a taxi instead of the metro/marshrutki). With poor older women, it would be trickier, but I haven't been with a poor older woman yet. Cross that bridge when I get to it. I'm seeing signs that, especially in this thread, other people here are also becoming more open to using the power of money directly to get what they want, rather than pimping their lifestyle and hoping the girl will be so impressed that she won't notice she is not benefiting financially herself from the man's pimp lifestyle. I mean I want to be around smart girls not stupid ones. Note that my views reflect my age. If a guy in his 20's categorically refuses to consider giving cash to girls, that's another story. Maybe the girls will give him the cash I gave her. I really don't care as long as nobody insults me to my face.

Post: #2153

(Yesterday 04:40 AM)frank_guest Wrote:  I also got banned by Thutmosis under another name, for some reason, thankfully that tyrant is gone.

Post: #2154

I got lost driving through Washington DC once (doesn't everybody) it's pretty bad place. Some big cities in the U.S are pretty rough..Detroit being one.

A million years ago, I use to love going to Bowling Green Ohio so much so (the chicks,bars,people were awesome) my buddy and I took a greyhound from Detroit (tunnel bus from Windsor) to the town (note..only took the bus once..not recommended). On interstate 75 the bus broke down and another bus picked us up and took us into Toledo. My buddy and I got into a cab and told the cabby take us to a hotel adding wheres a good bar downtown to go too. The cabby replied "your not going to any bars downtown, The hotel I'm taking you to has a bar on the top floor...don't go out at night" ....welcome to Toledo!..........is Kiev any better or worse?

It's a given (to a Canadian) Kiev gets winter

Frank it doesn't sound like your getting married to a Ukraine chick.....what's stopping you? Are the girls too much trouble emotionally/mentally/energy (riding a wild horse) to invest time into?

The locals frowning on or being suspicious of...a older guy with a younger girlfriend is a huge drawback (how do frigging cougars get away with it!!!)

Older guys that are well off that don't want chick drama that may not want regular sex (libido comes and goes) and are willing to cough up some dough to play I can 100 percent understand.

I'm at your age I can either do yearly trips (10 trips and..opps 65..boy that was fast)....time flies and I don't think a lot of guys only look at things "for as long as their health holds up" ....myself I wanna be around until I'm 100 yrs old

Frank would you view the 'Ukraine" a lifetime choice? Considering any complexities in residency ... "marry a local" but still play?
...language...culture...healthcare.

Reading threads on EE or SA or SEA I've come to the conclusion ...no thread makes any sense they all conflict with one another (everybody being different) that I have to go there to find out for myself....which I don't mind wasting time being a "tourist" but a targeted tourist for a wider goal (country shopping) is preferred.

Long term stays Frank I hear ya ..and don't shit in your own backyard (goes without saying)...having stuff to do that interests you...all seem normal items....but what about permanent? ....the things to hold a older guy back from permanency and keep him the travelling hobo

Young guys have the time but no money....older guys have the money but not the time to waste....must hit the ground running in other words....the scary fact is focusing my time on a country "making it fit" just because it was the only country I went to first.....this planning stuff wastes time this alone pisses me off...even looked up procrastination....just go!!!

Post: #2155

(Yesterday 04:40 AM)frank_guest Wrote:  I also got banned by Thutmosis under another name, for some reason, thankfully that tyrant is gone.

Frank,
You seem like you have a lot of good info to share. But I don't know why you would bring up being banned (it's against forum rules to create a new account) or why you'd bring p4p up. (This is a game board.)

Any p4p talk is going to get you banned again. Why not skip those subjects so you can continue to contribute to the board.

Post: #2156

@premium: traveling hobo is in my blood, always has been, I live to hike in the mountains and bicycle tour, and I always felt that way. I bought my freedom from wage slavery at age 38 and have lived my dream ever since. I don't know what I'll do when hiking/bicycling is no longer an option.

Kiev is very safe. I routinely leave the dance places at 23:30, walk down dimly lit streets to the metro, catch the last train back to my neighborhood, wall down some more dimly lit streets to my apartment, up the dingy stairwell to my floor. My major worry is stepping in dog shit due to lack of lighting, not being mugged.

If you're Canadian, weather is pretty much identical in inland Ukraine (Odessa warmer but grim and rainy in winter). If you hate snow, just go to SE Asia those months.

I'll never marry, never have a really LTR, so Ukraine for me is just a place to spend 90 days on the big city each summer. I spend 90 days hiking in the mountains of Spain in the spring, I'm going to experiment with hiking in Bulgaria in September, and then the rest of the autumn and winter I bicycle tour in the deserts of the western USA.

For a guy who wants to settle down, Ukraine makes a great lifetime choice. If you want a young wife and kids, that's doable, or you can get an older single mother in good condition with the children almost grown and so not troublesome. Divorce is common here because the women marry very young and eventually grow apart from their husbands, perfectly normal, not because they are all bitches. I'd much rather a well-preserved 40yo to a college girl but they are impossible for me to get because I'm honest about my lifestyle, meaning all I can offer is a few months of fun, and they aren't interested. I understand their position though I don't agree with it. Lots of men and women alike lose their appetite for adventure when they get older and focus on security. A passionate 2 month love affair is not attractive to older women like it is to college students, for whom 2 months is like eternity. I think they are making a mistake, but it's their life, not mine. The younger girls have no problem with me disappearing after a few months. They prefer it that way, since they are hoping for a guy their own age for marriage. The constant flow of cash from my pocket to theirs ensures they are always on best behavior. Unmarried girls 25 to 35 are difficult because they see me as a legitimate marriage prospect and get angry that I'm not willing to settle down. These are the ones at the dance places that would go ballistic if they saw me leaving with one of the 20yo's. "People who aren't getting sex are the ones who try to stop other people from getting it." Did I steal that from you elsewhere in this thread?

Yes, you really have to visit Ukraine to appreciate it. Speaking intermediate Russian makes the experience vastly more enjoyable, as does having a social activity. Even something like speed chess in the park with old men. Something so that you feel like part of the society, not so much an outsider.

Post: #2157

@tornado: if I get banned, I get banned, there's other forums, I'll go back to being a lurker here. What's your game? Kind of guy who boasts to some penniless college girl about your million dollar business deals, flaunts your expensive toys in her face, rains money in the head of bar owners, restaurateurs, hotel owners etc, but God forbid you give the girl anything of material value. Whenever I see guys like you getting bent out of shape over older men like me adding to our attractiveness by putting money on the table, I think of bitchy aging women, like those 25-35 yo's I mentioned above, furious at seeing younger girls getting men the older women aren't getting, feminists and white knights riled up at "age-inappropriate" and "exploitative" relationships between older men and younger women. Why don't you get bent out of shape at young handsome guys using their God-given looks to win out over guys with great game? Why don't you get angry at American and Western European men using their citizenship to get a leg up on the locals in places like the Phillipines (and probably Ukraine, though to a lesser extent here)? Why dont you go read the red-pill definition of white knight and reflect on how that's exactly what you are acting like?

Post: #2158

Was reading about the Ukraine in this thread...never been, but lived a few hours from the border.
Summer's on and still haven't made my Eastern Europe travel plans. Lived there in the 90's for about 5 and half years, so I know about the beautiful girls . Procrastinating , waiting for travel wingman to commit, getting lazy. Also, the flight from So Cal, very long.
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Turning 53 soon. Been gaining a bit of weight with the shitty spring weather and too much nightgaming, i.e., booze, which yielded some fun and a bit of parking lot adventures.
Still look better than a year or so ago when I was 25 pounds heavier. Now I fit into skinny jeans, and my old pants fall down now- sort of shocked to see myself in the mirror and getting lots of shy IOI's from much younger women.

My reflexes are slow and finding it hard to read definite IOI's in bars, or rather respond to them; for example, why is she giving me the come hither stare and smile when she's with her date? Barely 21. I am always surprised. They are often the best looking women in the bar. Is it just a tease?

I think I am attracting younger women visually, but they , amidst peers, are not seriously considering ..
I get more IOIs from women below 30. Are they just curious that I don't appear to be like the normal middle-aged man? I think the key word, at least for day game, is carpe diem, seize the day, or the moment....

Post: #2159

cya Frank..I see your gone..anyways great info...enough to make me cross the pond.

Anyways back to older guys my observations lately ( in a new city) (there may be a podcast on this so..my apologies if it's old ground)

Two dynamics here in this typical western city.

A) Masculine male (18 to 23 years old).. B).Feminized male 18 to 23. C) Outcast male 24 to 100 years old

Masculine male (A) is outdated and extinct to chicks (smart educated guy with goals/plans)...so moving on...NEXT!

Feminized Male (B)..not an exhaustive list:
1) he walks his puppy so the the Alpha females getting off work see him around 5 pm
2) he has no money..but has level 800 gear on World of Warcraft
3) usually dresses in crap..red running shoes, baggy shirt and unwashed shorts or pants
4) skinny/ pale..little or no face fuzz

Regardless easily making himself "identifiable" with his skateboard and smartphone"

The feminized 18 to 23 year old male....is responding to the delayed maturity of 18 to 23 year old females. These females are horrified by a older 24 year old (outcast male ..C group)

Feminized males "babysit" ( the Masculine Male ..group A kids) or play Call of Duty....while the 18 to 23 year females go to nightclubs and re affirm there status/sexuality with Masculine Males (A)

It's proven well built muscled guys (Masculine group A men do have hope) the chicks have all the one nite stands with.. then go back to the fem-male (babysitter)...so you know why your at the nightclubs and hate older guys over 24 at the nightclubs (anyways you turn 24 yourself and things changed)

''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''Delayed 18 to 23 year old female emotional maturity''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Masculine group (A) at 24 years old.... get all the single mom's and fattys after THE girls dumped Fem-males (B)... girls got more mature and wanted money....rebounding chicks never last and Masculine Group (A) ( although delighted by his popularity)..is usually paying child support by 35 years old to somebody else's kids and maybe one of his own

I chatted with a young guy once.."sensitive type" ...chick left him at 23 she changed he said a year after the kid was born..had post par-tum blues (but she drank wine endlessly...lmao) ...anyways as we chatted he said he found out (by a therapist) she was a controller looking for a guy like him..he was her prey.. a door mat played him like a cheap piano...anyways she went with a Masculine (A) guy later...(what a mess) she grew up!

The point for over 40's is another story of mine...my late 20's (29) I had this amazing 20 year old girl neighbor (a 10 scale)...she use to come over to my place with half cut of shirts just below her tits no bra (and stretch and yawn a lot..she was always out late)...I was into strippers and banging shit from bars..so I could deal with the cock teaser and enjoyed watching her... maybe get a fuck one day (almost did)....anyways why was she so tired? .....I was in her place one night and "BEEP BEEP" outside her window......long story short...55 year old well of married guy was playing her. ...she told me later all they did was go down to some beach and fuck all night....and I couldn't turn this bitch away from that...wow (what a moral killer..well strippers made me happy...lmao)

Western day game for older guys...I figure has to be discreet....and more night game...meaning well dressed and showing status...for the immature chicks in there 20's that run with the herd...but think with their pussy when alone.