Post: #876

Yes

Post: #877

(08-14-2015 09:57 PM)Caractacus Potts Wrote:  Yes

I'm trying to think of a time that I saw something like that happen. It's rare, but not unheard of.

Post: #878

For awhile she went to couples counseling. Then she told me that she needed to just go to her own counselor for awhile. I was on shift so I would work 24 hours and would be off 48. I was so "fair" in trying to make sure that the girls spent equal time with her. I was showing how considerate I was.

When she and shitstain moved in together she hired a live in au pair at $1200/mos. At this point Krystynna the Polish nanny had gone back to Poland because I couldn't afford to pay her anymore. So her attorney told the judge "my client works from home, she has a baby sitter to help out. She has a plan."

Fucking judge bought it. It didn't matter that she had never cared to be a mom before (or now). My mom lives 20 minutes away. I have two aunts that live 20 minutes away. My middle daughter's godmother, my younger sister lives 30 minutes away. Numerous families at the school and the parents of the kids friends all offered to help anytime I needed it.

Her attorney said "well, the girls' grandmother and the great aunts are in their 70's. John's sister and cousins (who have kids the same ages) work everyday. And it is unfair to ask the parents of the girls friends to watch the kids every week (once per week)."

The judge bought it. Fucking cunt.

After awhile my attorney made a valid point for why things were going so badly:

"God bless you. Former Marine, Firefighter, standing up ramrod straight staring her in the eye. That is the problem. You're not afaid."

"So what am I supposed to do? Cower like a penitent? Beg to kiss the ring?"

"No. But judges are petty tyrants. Everyone comes in here scared. You are locking eyes with her. She isn't used to that and I can see that she doesn't like it. I should have picked up on it sooner."

"So what am I supposed to do?"

"Stare at your shoes"

That is an honest to God conversation I had with him.

Post: #879

Instead of 'talking you up', making you out to be Superdad, and that you were the one that stayed in the house with the kids, your attorney told you to 'bow down' and accept the gender bias in family court.

Make no mistake. Your attorney sold you down the river.

Wouldn't surprise me if your attorney had a deal hammered out with your ex and her attorney before you even walked into that courtroom.

Post: #880

(08-14-2015 10:18 PM)Caractacus Potts Wrote:  After awhile my attorney made a valid point for why things were going so badly:

"God bless you. Former Marine, Firefighter, standing up ramrod straight staring her in the eye. That is the problem. You're not afaid."

"So what am I supposed to do? Cower like a penitent? Beg to kiss the ring?"

"No. But judges are petty tyrants. Everyone comes in here scared. You are locking eyes with her. She isn't used to that and I can see that she doesn't like it. I should have picked up on it sooner."

"So what am I supposed to do?"

"Stare at your shoes"

That is an honest to God conversation I had with him.

I never heard that one (regarding a party's demeanor toward the judge), so I don't know what to make of it. I do know that if an attorney doesn't appear confident or backs down, that can really hurt.

Post: #881

Tuth,

I apaologize if I am derailing the Older Guys thread. I probably should have posted this in everything else. If you need to move it feel free.

CP

Post: #882

(08-14-2015 10:18 PM)Caractacus Potts Wrote:  For awhile she went to couples counseling. Then she told me that she needed to just go to her own counselor for awhile. I was on shift so I would work 24 hours and would be off 48. I was so "fair" in trying to make sure that the girls spent equal time with her. I was showing how considerate I was.
....

"No. But judges are petty tyrants. Everyone comes in here scared. You are locking eyes with her. She isn't used to that and I can see that she doesn't like it. I should have picked up on it sooner."

"So what am I supposed to do?"

"Stare at your shoes"

That is an honest to God conversation I had with him.

The female judge wants to see male submission.
When your ex left your dying daughter alone to go fuck her lover and the judge said that "she did not want to punish her for her bad behavior" - that was frankly the end of it.

Your case is the epitome of the entire legal system slanted against men. But you should refrain of thinking of violence. This would not help you at all.

Your wife was an extreme Alpha widow with a formerly extremely high sexual market value. She fucked pro-Athletes and super high value men who obviously did not commit to her for a good reason. Read Rational Male man - plenty of soldiers are on that site, because the 7 army values are great when dealing with men, but terrible advice when being with a woman. Married Man Sex Life is about the worst Red Pill advice for men - might work for the average woman out there, but not your ex.

To be honest - I don't know if your marriage was salvageable at all even with massive Game and you treating her more like Conan the Barbarian. She would probably like that, but I think she had entered her Alpha-reinterest phase and wanted to relive her former glory days with rampant carousel riding - that is right before the wall takes away her looks for ever.

+ you did not see your ex for what she was and attempted for a long time to excuse her behavior and salvage your marriage (full Red Pill awareness would have shown you that this is almost futile or not worth it)
+ your judge was set against you
+ your own lawyers were even against you partly or they simply did not care - some bigger law firms give their non-billionaire clients a secondary treatment - seems to me like yours was the same
+ a small Red Pill lawyer who would do the most for you would have likely been the best choice - we even have some guys on the forum or writing for ROK. Those guys can give you more than legal advice.

In any case - it seems like the boat has sailed. They even fucked you on the financial disclosure point and your ex likely was more liquid than it seems. Don't let her make you guilty for further financial raping. Your case is a text-book case for why men need the Red Pill long before they sign on the dotted line.

If you read The Rational Male you will see many things described of how your ex behaved:



Essentially you both followed the High-SMV-Alpha-Widow and dutiful soldier marriage to the script right as her market value waned and yours was on the rise:



http://therationalmale.com/2012/10/22/casualties/

http://therationalmale.com/2013/01/21/soldiers/

It seems as if the military service produces more casualties on the inter-gender sexual market than most, while the reverse - the criminals and the convicts - they are the recipients of the utmost admiration by many women. This is quite indicative of the female nature:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/08/...-to-women/

Heartiste had an article on titled "How Much Is A Jerkboy Convict Worth To Women?"

Turns out it was 9 million $ as one woman won the lottery and used almost 12% of her net worth to set a convicted heroin dealer free.

Quote:Meanwhile, everywhere in America a beta provider niceguy buys dinner for a lovely 31-year-old educated woman with an encyclopedic knowledge of ethnic and racial penis shapes, who dumps him via text one week later.

@Caractus - my condolences in your case. Not much can be done for now except drawing a line in the sand financially. Your wife was a tough case in the first place. You are still young by male standards around 40 and can rebuild your life with a new woman and have a new family. Your daughters might see later on how broken their mother really is. Also ditch the Army values when dealing with women - they react to a different set of behavioral patterns. We men die for an honorable man next to us, but women run away from that honorable man and shack up with the murderer who is busy raping and pillaging (or they spend 9 mio. $ to set him free).

Post: #883

I'm a bit older. I used a line yesterday that worked well....

Me: I generally don't date girls younger than 25. Why should I make an exception for you?

She immediately started selling herself to me.

Post: #884

^^
Brilliant !!

Post: #885

Caractacus- my condolences also on a harrowing story.

But it reminds me of something someone said here once " revenge is like taking poison and hoping it will hurt the other guy"

Even if one has the right to be angry , which I guess everyone does-- it's your heart, your emotions, right? --a lot of the time it simply hurts you. Only you.

Post: #886

I want to thank Brother ZelC for sharing the brilliant charts and links - I had seen the comparative Female and Male SMV charts before but not the life imperatives timeline of the hypergamist hamster female... good info.

The great RationalMale link and the following paragraphs should be mandatory training for all young military men especially those in elite combat units infantry, marines, special forces, air cav, air crews, nuclear submariners etc...

Basically duty, honor and country and a White Knight Lone Ranger sense of protecting family, friends community and especially precious damsels in distress from evil is ingrained often at birth with Military fathers and and can be quite damaging in the transition to the modern militant hypergamist feminists' civilian world. The root "civil" in civilian being a major misnomer.

First time I was working in Boston I was not a fool I realized that organizations that celebrated Gay Pride MONTH and had more women in corporate HQs than men since the Execs both male and female liked dealing (flirting) with younger women and that young women would volunteer to solve complex issues "Oh I can do that no problem" and when they realize the complexity is beyond them to just casually drop grenades in your lap - basically extremely urgent problems they did not want to be responsible to solve - and get away with it I knew I had to watch my own back and set realistic expectations with the stakeholders that the snowflakes had bull shited them on with out laying blame on their favorite princesses.

But it was not till a new breed of Army Surplus Combat Booted Tight Black Jeaned Camel Toeing Polygendered Kickboxing wanna be Angelina Jolie body arted tough Girl bad assed super cunts would start snapping viciously at me for the gentlemanly crime of holding a door for them that I realized my lifes training in female socializing had been FUBAR.

I took the Red Pill about 5 years ago, became a refined Neoman with full knowledge of the modern western womans genetic hypergamist solipistic nature and have never looked back...

Great content that every young and older Military Man should memorize, internalize and above all externalize to the romantic female interests in their life - we can not all be Christian Gray 27 y.o. billionaires - but we can behave like one - Red Pill Masculine Neomen that is...

Per the Rational Male Rollo Tomassi:

At the risk of encouraging some ecumenical debate in the comment thread, the great failing of most military guys is the expectation of relational equity with regards to their commitment to the 7 Army values. In a military sense, in a sportsmanship sense, in a business sense men believe that the personal investments of sacrifice, loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, personal courage, etc. will be appreciated, considered and rewarded with respect, value and/or status. Whether or not this is the actual case on an individual basis, the expectation from amongst a man’s peers is one of an appreciable equity he can build upon and have his eminence increase upon.

The rude awakening for most soliders is that Hypergamy doesn’t care about relational equity. All of the social value he should be able to accrue through his steadfast commitment (actual or imagined) to principle isn’t recognized by feminine hypergamy. Hypergamy doesn’t care about his belief in the 7 Army values, it only cares about its own imperative. It’s not that women can’t learn to appreciate these virtues in a man, it’s that her natural state of hypergamy (and solipsism) doesn’t facilitate it.

I have no doubt I’ll get female commenters explaining to me how they in fact do recognize and appreciate men’s commitment to duty, but I’d argue that this appreciation came from learned necessity, not a natural appeal to her hypergamy. When hypergamy is satisfied for a woman, mitigated by her capacity to attract better male prospects, only then is a woman in a position to consider men’s integrity and character.
This is naturally frustrating for a young soldier wondering why his sacrifice and commitment to duty doesn’t make him any more attractive, more arousing, more deserving of his girlfriend or wife’s monogamous commitment. He’s done everything ‘right’ yet there is no advancement, no appreciation, and in fact sometimes outright abandonment of him and his ‘principles’. The reflex of course is to amplify that sacrifice to levels above and beyond what he’s previously committed himself to, or to rationalize disqualifying a woman lacking the capacity to appreciate that sacrifice.

The real tragedy is that young soldiers (and sometimes old) are easy marks for the feminine imperative looking to consolidate on a security derived from those sacrifices without ever appreciating them. I have a friend back in Reno who after 16 years, and 4 children, had his wife leave him after a military marriage. In her unhaaaaapiness she decided to go to back to school (funded by him) to be a dental assistant and promptly divorced him just 3 months prior to his discharge. They share custody now, but she ended up getting with a dental surgeon soon after the divorce. His disappointment and depression didn’t come from her abandoning him and the kids as much as it came from his bewilderment that she’d leave everything he’d built for them as a family, and himself personally. He couldn’t imagine that his investments had been less valuable to her than a life with a more resource rich man."

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My experience with women in the blue states is it is best to keep your honorable military experience to yourself - red states its a whole nother ball game ;-)

Post: #887

DeepDiver, I'd like to believe Southern women are different. I've never lived in the South so I don't know. Do you really think they are? I mean, are they really so different?

Women are certainly attracted to masculine sacrifice. Always will be, since it's something they lack within themselves. It's one of the reasons why women are so attracted to military man to begin with.

I think the real problem is with our society and how it incentivizes self-indulgence and freedom for women. It's like, give a child the choice between desert or dinner and they will usually take desert.

Our laws incentivizes women to eat desert even it means imploding the family to get that degree and have a hot new romance with their co-worker, boss or whoever gives them tingles and makes them feel wow for the moment. "You go girl!"

And the media actually celebrates this shit through their TV shows, Movies, Advertising, Gossip news, etc.

It's the culture of America. Freedom for women, no matter what the cost. Knowing this, I again wonder, are Southern women so different? The South is still in the same country, still has access to the same media. Maybe I need to move to Texas or Georgia and find out for myself. I've always lived in the Northeast and well, you know how it is here.

Post: #888

Iknowexactly is the only 50+ player that I know of who regularly posts about game from the perspective of his age. Anyone else 50+ who is actively pursuing younger girls?

Post: #889

(08-16-2015 11:56 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Iknowexactly is the only 50+ player that I know of who regularly posts about game from the perspective of his age. Anyone else 50+ who is actively pursuing younger girls?

Ive seen a few other guys but they seem to make pretty deep and somewhat discouraging posts, or boastful ones, then disappear. I've noticed I stand out as "the oldest guy in the bar" on this board, and I can tell you what I see as the reasons.

Your sex drive goes down some and mechanical sex without a feeling of trust in the person loses it's appeal. Since it's kind of boring to talk about the routine interactions by which you build trust and a life with someone, they don't lend themselves to a forum really.

Guys who have a rewarding trusting relationship don't want to post about it because they're enjoying themselves and don't want to talk shit about their girl. The small shared joys and inside jokes that by definition form intimacy don't increase in value by being shared, except maybe in love poetry.

I have a girl I really like and my interest in her is partly based on the fact she might want to learn to play the drums, which would be great fun in a relationship as I play guitar. She's probably going to flake and spend the 45 minutes a day it would take and play with her smart phone instead, and in a few months will just be another miss. It just seems like a boring story for me, except here in the Philippines she's 19 and not 45, so if it works (only) then it becomes a bit interesting. Comically, I kind of wish she was a 6.5 instead of an 7.5, because I'd have more of a chance of nailing her down.

Your failure rate post 55 with 6-8+ rated girls goes up dramatically, and who wants to admit they're a failure?
Telling a 7+ even in the third world she's better off with an older guy because young guy=single motherhood and watching your kid get sick with no money for medicine makes about as much sense to her as telling a 4 year old to eat their vegetables. It's factually true but makes no impression.

Multimillionaire ballers in the 3rd world, where they CAN get 8+ girls are too busy loving every minute because they know it gets worse physiologically.

Random add-on about marriage game to pitch to overly dreamy women:
"Marriage is more like building a house than finding a buried treasure." Translation to Male-English: "Be patient you spoiled bitch."

Post: #890

(08-16-2015 12:02 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 11:56 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Iknowexactly is the only 50+ player that I know of who regularly posts about game from the perspective of his age. Anyone else 50+ who is actively pursuing younger girls?

Ive seen a few other guys but they seem to make pretty deep and somewhat discouraging posts then disappear. I've noticed I stand out as "the oldest guy in the bar" on this board, and I can tell you what I see as the reasons.

Politics becomes much less interesting to me as I get older, because everyone talks about the same things forever, rich get richer, those jerks over there ought to stop what they're doing and be like us good people over here...etc.

Your sex drive goes down some and mechanical sex without a feeling of trust in the person loses it's appeal. Since it's kind of boring to talk about the routine interactions by which you build trust and a life with someone, they don't lend themselves to a forum really.

Your failure rate post 55 with 8+ girls goes up dramatically, and who wants to admit they're a failure?

Multimillionaire ballers in the 3rd world, where they CAN get 8+ girls are too busy loving every minute because they know it gets worse physiologically.

IKE,

Keep your posts coming. You provide a unique perspective and I appreciate your authenticity.

It will be interesting to see how we evolve collectively in this community as we get age. The other older guys in IKE's age range could provide a large contribution on what it is like to game at that age, even if it isn't glamourous.

Post: #891

(08-16-2015 11:56 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Iknowexactly is the only 50+ player that I know of who regularly posts about game from the perspective of his age. Anyone else 50+ who is actively pursuing younger girls?

Running game in the PI or anywhere in SEA as an older guy is an entirely different dynamic than chasing young tail here in the states, I say this as a guy with 23 and 25 year olds under my belt when 55 a few years ago in Thailand, and a 24 year old Nica in Costa Rica a year before that. The PI is on my radar for a year end flight into Manila.

Not that the same principles don't apply world wide, but there is no age stigma or age difference shaming by post wall fatties to work through in SEA or central America which is a HUGE barrier. No doubt it still takes work no matter where you go in the world.

There are lots of young girls who seek out older men, it's a fetish for some, a desire for others, but they have to work through the same BS that we do in order to make it happen to avoid slut shaming and negative judgements by other women.

Quote:Your failure rate post 55 with 8+ girls goes up dramatically, and who wants to admit they're a failure?

Yep, true, and this is the big difference maker for me to hold off the effects of aging to avoid the above and help keep gym gains:



Even with a weekly cruise dosage of T I'm still finding my interest in pussy beginning to wane, guessing due to aging. If I could find a good source for somatropin/HGH I'd run a low cruise on that as well for awhile, I hear really good things from older guys about it wrt how their body feels after a week or 3 on it.

Glad to hear that IKE is writing stuff up, as a fairly new guy I'm looking forward to digging through some of his past postings. You're right, there isn't much at all about 50+ game out there. Lol, most 50+ guys probably just gave up at a certain point... Idiots.

Post: #892

Any readers of R Don Steele's "How to Date Young Women For Men over 35"?

Post: #893

(08-16-2015 11:56 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Iknowexactly is the only 50+ player that I know of who regularly posts about game from the perspective of his age. Anyone else 50+ who is actively pursuing younger girls?

I'm 57 and I do pursue women under 30, but the game becomes a lot different the older you get. I take a lot of joy in seeing their eyes light up when you know a connection has been made.
At my age I feel I owe it to the young dudes to pass on what I know and point them in the right direction and/or steer them away from the crazies.
Ever see a movie called HARD 8? It's about an old gambler trying to help a young gambler Eventually he saves the young man's life and marriage. Only at the end do we discover why he'd doing it all. I think about that movie a lot.

Post: #894

NCS - how often do you poke the Test Cyp?

Have you ever tried Sustanon?

Post: #895

I'm moving down to .5cc 1x/week from 1cc, dragging out more than a week gives me too much hi/low feeling. Recent blood work came back too high for Test levels so doc moving me down, goal level is 900-1000, was at 1450ish

Sustanon, no. You? Thoughts?

Post: #896

(08-16-2015 11:56 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Iknowexactly is the only 50+ player that I know of who regularly posts about game from the perspective of his age. Anyone else 50+ who is actively pursuing younger girls?

Actually I am 53 and I have written about it on this thread. Just recently I have been working on a new business in order to get more free time and independence in the future. So my attention has not been very much on chasing tail or this forum. But will be back in the saddle soon. And there have been other guys on this thread who have also. All of my adventures have been in the US though.

Post: #897

(08-16-2015 11:56 AM)Dantes Wrote:  Iknowexactly is the only 50+ player that I know of who regularly posts about game from the perspective of his age. Anyone else 50+ who is actively pursuing younger girls?

Privateman is a RVF member and posts from time to time.

You also have the pro PUA Bullet - he got into Game after his divorce when he was already over 40. He has been teaching for Lovesystems, but also individually. His specialty is of course older clients and he had some 50+ year old guys actually be able to bang young hotties.





I have somewhere a selfie with him and a 26 year old Playmate after sex. But of course he is in good shape, does some botox it seems and has massive Game. 50 is after the hill for a man, but on the other hand it's probably the same for a 34 year old woman, so no reason to despair. What is true however is that health, nutrition, some TRT and some supplemental cash become more important. While I personally saw a 65 year old in a LTR with a hot 21 year old (both Americans), this is not very common and the guy was super-charismatic (also in great shape) and not the average bloke. Nothing lasts forever, but it's certainly not over at 50-60.

Post: #898

I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to lift weights and get lean through proper nutrition. If you do nothing else do this. I started doing this seriously just last December and have already seen good progress. Don't do it for girls do it because you want to look good. And yes, even girls who are already in love with you and you've been banging will love your new look.

Also, TRT TRT TRT.

In view of your declining sex drive as you get older, I encourage guys to find a solid gf (highly possible in the US if you date foreign born girls), and then bang 2-3 on the side. Sex is just not something I even think about anymore as a concern. Hell, sometimes I have too much demand from regulars and I can't keep up.

Also, Cialis cialis cialis.

Here's a tip that I haven't seen before. You can get Cialis shipped straight to your door from Florida. How is that possible? Well it's shipped as a suspension in absolute ethanol and is ostensibly not for human consumption but rather for research and development. Shake well for about a minute then squirt the desired dose in a half glass of water and drink up (I usually go for 30 mg). But it is perfectly safe (this is what I use). The bottle is also small enough that you can take it with you in carry-on baggage without it being flagged.

Where can you buy this? http://researchstop.com/tadalasolut.html

Post: #899

Just hit 40 last week and I gotta say working out is not stressed enough. When you are not fat, muscular, and well dressed 40-50 is not as downhill as people think. The second thing I would stress is having your career and money together which is where I stumbled, as far as career goes I am at least 5-7 years behind where I should be and as a result I am pushing the 10-12 hour days that should have been behind me in my mid thirties. This thread almost makes me want to start a forum for guys over 35.

Post: #900

Men over 50 vary as much in their beings and capabilities as men of 25, so anything beyond the broadest generalizations aren't going to apply.

I'm 53, and sure, I see plenty of guys in my age group looking beaten down and worn out and like a sack of potatoes wearing cargo shorts. But I also am acquainted with guys the same age who are dynamic, fit, have a lot of positive lifestyle things going on and date much younger women.

Three hours ago, I kissed goodbye the 27 year old who spent the entire weekend with me. We had a great time going to the beach, eating and drinking and fucking.

Any man who has his game and lifestyle shit together should be able to bang at least 20 years younger than himself his whole life. And have LTRs with women at least 12- 15 years younger. And I'm talking about in the US and other Western countries. In fact, that is the definitive test of whether you are living up to your potential. The proof is in the pussy.

And no, it doesn't have to have anything to do with that "sugardaddy" angle. I never give my girls anything beyond paying for dates.

The common denominators I see among older guys who are able to date much younger women are that they are fit, energetic, fun, and have some charisma. The type of older guy people describe as being "cool" to differentiate him from most other guys his age. A guy you would like to have as an acquaintance. They do not have to be rich; claiming that they do is just an excuse.( Not that money ever hurts, of course).

If you aren't able to date/bang women at least 10-15 years younger than you on at least a semi-regular basis that is a sign you have areas of deficiency you need to work on. Lose weight, build muscle, develop your general social skills, improve your game, get more interests and activities into your life, dress better, get hair replacement or shave your head, get a tan, get more going on the moneymaking front so your lifestyle will be more appealing.

I see more older guy/younger woman couples today than I ever have. The mid 20th century American idea that couples ought to be very close in age is passing away due to whatever social and economic forces and a more natural and traditional age disparity is reappearing. You'll get a lot of quiet respect and admiration from both men and women for dating much younger women. And besides, it's fun to bask in the envy and resentment of the occasional hater.