Post: #51

(10-31-2013 08:58 AM)XYZ Wrote:  We all know the more muscle you have, the better it will be for scoring chicks,at least in the U.S.

Yeah, if you plan on being a male stripper?

Post: #52

The Brad Pitt bullshit wasn't a study. All of you anti-lifting guys cite that shit like it's the bible, but don't know anything about it.

Here are the "men" who did that "study". It doesn't say where they got the results, but I'd guess from their fitness blog where they started chronicling their journey from skinny hipster faggots, to slightly less skinny hipster faggots.

So you had women who follow and are friends with these two guys answering their poll, as if you should listen to a woman about what she wants anyways.

You want to fuck girls who hang around online with these dudes?



Also, as has been said a hundred times on here, none of us want to look like Ronnie Coleman. Lets drop the monster talk, because no one here wants that. I think most guys here who are in the bodybuilding camp are looking more towards the Thor look, as opposed to a giant professional bodybuilder.

I worked as a bar tender for a few months back home last year. Id wear a fairly tight v neck most nights to work. I'm not huge by any means, and much less fit than Mike, but I have broad shoulders and a big chest and shoulders. I got tons of compliments from women, and some asking me if I had a six pack and to lift my shirt up.

I've been lifting much more consistently since then, and gotten much bigger. I get quite a bit of compliments, and I'm no Thor or Zyzz. I can only imagine (for now) the kind of reception id get at 200lbs and 10% bodyfat.

In the end, it's just another weapon in your arsenal, just like having great style. People don't pop up left and right in style threads calling everyone faggots, but anything to do with lifting on this forum brings the hate out.

Post: #53

I think while there is the rare specimen of women who'd fall for Ruehl-sized bodybuilder (as they say, be black or be german to become a pro BB ... he's german and was up to 300 lbs on a 5'10'' frame during competition), most would be happy for the 25 BMI / 10 - 12 BF ratio guys, preferably with a good shoulder to hip ratio .

Post: #54

I'm a couple of years into serious lifting, the compliments are just starting to come. Yeah, it's good to finally get some payoff, but I lift because it makes me feel like a fucking animal.

You don't need to be lean or muscular to get women, but who can honestly say they'd be happy walking around with the build of a young Bill Gates?

"I'd hate myself if I had that kind of attitude, if I were that weak." - Arnold

Post: #55

(11-01-2013 05:43 AM)crippler Wrote:  I lift because it makes me feel like a fucking animal.

Post: #56

(10-31-2013 11:03 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 10:55 PM)lovejoy Wrote:  Steve Cook is 6ft 1in @ 204 lbs, most of these fitness models are right in the sweet spot for 6 footers, around 195-210. Greg Plitt , one the most photographed of fitness models with over 1000 magazine covers to his credit is 195 @ 6'1".

Yeah.

Debating a 9 pound difference.

Now we know for a fact that you're a

9 lbs of muscle or fat is a alot. Body fat levels are just as important as muscle, somebody 220lbs at 20% BF is not going to look near as impressive as a guy 195 10-12% BF . My point is these guys are probably at the top 5% in terms of physical fitness @ about 195 for 6', being bigger than that get's you diminishing returns. My tipping point was hitting around 12% BF, getting clothes that fit and spending more time outside the gym.

Post: #57

At 18 and 4 mnths i was around 175, at this point i was doing 3x5 225 bench and all sorts of bullshit just to bulk or w,e my "goal" was back then. The tipping point is relevant to your belief system. Fact: Size Matters. I'm 5'8 I looked way shorter when i was massed up, my fighting skills were off..I had too much mass and the most important part of working out which is physical and mental balance was not there. You think cause your 6 foot w,e and skinny when u bulk up 30 lbs of muscle it' ll change the game? lol nah 5'0 and bulked like a pit WITH swagger will dominate a weak minded bulked up 6 foot anything.. Word is bond BRO!

Post: #58

all this talk reminds me of when women say, "i don't want to get too bulky" from lifting.

eyeroll. come on. girl, you dont have the discipline or eat enough to become bulky.

likewise here, guys, if you ever come even CLOSE to the tipping point of being too big its because you really want to. and if you really want to, you don't give a shit what other people think.

the hard work and dedication and years it takes to get there will make for a self selected group.

you can not accidentally get too big

the mere thought is hysterical!!

Post: #59

(11-01-2013 08:42 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  eyeroll. come on. girl, you dont have the discipline or eat enough to become bulky.

Well...

Post: #60

(11-01-2013 08:52 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 08:42 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  eyeroll. come on. girl, you dont have the discipline or eat enough to become bulky.

Well...

Right, the Average American woman is now bulky to begin with :

CDC-Women:
Height (inches): 63.8
Weight (pounds): 166.2
Waist circumference (inches): 37.5

Post: #61

I can't believe guys are arguing this point!

Size matters, know one is saying you have to look like a juice-head but a bit of muscle helps.

At one point I was at 210, girls were alot more physical with me in terms of grabbing my arms, chest and squeezing my nipples. I leaned out to 187, I may look more lean and defined but I get alot less touches.

Sometimes I will wear the deep v-necks (yeah I am one of those guys) to show my defined chest and the stares I get are unreal.

Post: #62

(10-31-2013 08:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 07:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  <snip>

I was as confident (or more) at 183 than now. When women come up and squeeze my arm when I'm just standing there, it's not confidence drawing them in. It's just primal.

As for jacked guys and the hottest girls...

Haven't you noticed that a lot of jacked guys are into fit or muscular girls?

I was with a guy who walked around XS and said he was not interested in any girl there. "I only like fit girls."

So the issue isn't whether women are attracted to them per se, the issue is that a lot of seriously dedicated people are attracted to a completely different type of girl than you or I.

Here's how I see it.

If you told a guy to suit up or smoke or carry drugs, that guy could still be a loser.

That doesn't mean suits, cigarettes, and drugs don't work. It just means you can't use that solely. You still need a game component to it.

Same with a physique. There is a way to carry one's self and to use it. It's not just getting big and showing up. It's knowing specifically how to use the physique to your advantage.

Good points and I agree.

Suits and physique are very similar in this regard.

Here is the thing with Suits that differs a little:

I think it is tough to win the "Biggest Guy at the Las Vegas pool party" Game. There is always going to be some bigger guys.

It is very easy to win the "Best dressed cat in the bar/restaurant/nightclub" Game.

That is one reason I am such a Suit advocate.

It is a super easy Game to win.

And when you win it, you swoop girls.



(Of course, Game still required).

Post: #63

"Muscle game" is by far the best thing you can do for yourself (young guy perspective). It's within your control. Don't even get me started on the excuses for not being shape because I used to be extremely skinny and have put on serious weight over 5-6 years (~50 lbs). I also work 80 hrs a week and it's a train wreck work wise till mid November. Red eye, red eye, red eye and doing push-ups at the airport.

I've finally cleared my weight goal, up 12 pounds his year. Celebrated by basically going out shirtless last night, needless to say when girls walk up to you and just start grabbing your chest the "game" gets a lot easier.

Thing is I doubt I have the body type to get "big". I am freakishly ectomorph.

49" shoulders and 30" waist is a heavy v-taper.

Maybe end of next year people will be able to see I am in shape without v-necks. Will see.

Ups to juicing kale + coconut oil. Tastes like aids but works like a charm.

Post: #64

There isn't an end game to lifting.

I lift because it helps power other aspects of my life. I can handle more stress, act more calmy, and do things that others can't/won't do (day game approach anyone?).

Being physically active gives me power to continue on with my day to day life. The side benefit of getting ripped is awesome believe me. I hope to eventually get strong enough to do some sort of fighting like MMA or Krav Maga.

But honestly, I just like not feeling awash in my emotions. I like being able to listen to other people bitch and think to myself, "Yeaaah boy! My life is EASY!"

I took the summer off from lifting. At first, I was able to ride off of my natural body high. By the end of it, my muscles fizzled out, my emotions were controlling me, and I was a miserable fuck.

When I got back into it, the effects of my demeanor were immediate. I felt so much better. I felt fuller. And above all, I felt like I could do anything I put my mind to.

That is why I keep going to the gym. My biggest fear is not being able to work out.

Post: #65

(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Good points and I agree.

Suits and physique are very similar in this regard.

Here is the thing with Suits that differs a little:

I think it is tough to win the "Biggest Guy at the Las Vegas pool party" Game. There is always going to be some bigger guys.

It is very easy to win the "Best dressed cat in the bar/restaurant/nightclub" Game.

That is one reason I am such a Suit advocate.

It is a super easy Game to win.

And when you win it, you swoop girls.



(Of course, Game still required).

suits are expensive and require more expense to sell..you can't wear a nice suit and come with some shytty bankroll..you can't wear suits in the tropics but you can carry your muscle everywhere in the world....

Post: #66

(11-01-2013 01:40 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Good points and I agree.

Suits and physique are very similar in this regard.

Here is the thing with Suits that differs a little:

I think it is tough to win the "Biggest Guy at the Las Vegas pool party" Game. There is always going to be some bigger guys.

It is very easy to win the "Best dressed cat in the bar/restaurant/nightclub" Game.

That is one reason I am such a Suit advocate.

It is a super easy Game to win.

And when you win it, you swoop girls.



(Of course, Game still required).

suits are expensive and require more expense to sell..you can't wear a nice suit and come with some shytty bankroll..you can't wear suits in the tropics but you can carry your muscle everywhere in the world....

Working out is "expensive" time wise as well.

A guy working out 14 hours a week over a life time; that is a lot of money you could be making.

Post: #67

Generally speaking, working out and wearing suits are on totally different timescales (assuming you are not poor). I could get a M2M suit done within two weeks (measuring + their time to make). To get a great body, starting from average or below average body, takes years. Just do both. It's not either or. Working out is just good for you, especially if you work in an office and/or are getting older. The girl thing is a side benefit.

Post: #68

(11-01-2013 01:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 01:40 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Good points and I agree.

Suits and physique are very similar in this regard.

Here is the thing with Suits that differs a little:

I think it is tough to win the "Biggest Guy at the Las Vegas pool party" Game. There is always going to be some bigger guys.

It is very easy to win the "Best dressed cat in the bar/restaurant/nightclub" Game.

That is one reason I am such a Suit advocate.

It is a super easy Game to win.

And when you win it, you swoop girls.



(Of course, Game still required).

suits are expensive and require more expense to sell..you can't wear a nice suit and come with some shytty bankroll..you can't wear suits in the tropics but you can carry your muscle everywhere in the world....

Working out is "expensive" time wise as well.

A guy working out 14 hours a week over a life time; that is a lot of money you could be making.

making money how? give me an example of how an 18 year old living in a crappy town can make enough money to sustain the bank roll needed to sell the suit lifestyle...

Post: #69

Having a decent body evens out the playing field, we are not all born with model looks.

In life we work with what we are given, a good body is more pleasing to the eye.

Post: #70

(11-01-2013 02:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 01:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 01:40 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Good points and I agree.

Suits and physique are very similar in this regard.

Here is the thing with Suits that differs a little:

I think it is tough to win the "Biggest Guy at the Las Vegas pool party" Game. There is always going to be some bigger guys.

It is very easy to win the "Best dressed cat in the bar/restaurant/nightclub" Game.

That is one reason I am such a Suit advocate.

It is a super easy Game to win.

And when you win it, you swoop girls.



(Of course, Game still required).

suits are expensive and require more expense to sell..you can't wear a nice suit and come with some shytty bankroll..you can't wear suits in the tropics but you can carry your muscle everywhere in the world....

Working out is "expensive" time wise as well.

A guy working out 14 hours a week over a life time; that is a lot of money you could be making.

making money how? give me an example of how an 18 year old living in a crappy town can make enough money to sustain the bank roll needed to sell the suit lifestyle...

Not sure why you are moving the goal posts around. Or why you are trying to argue.

Now it's an 18 year old in a crappy town. Ok.

Is he also an "average guy with average game"? Average height? Or is he 5'4?

But to answer your question of this hypothetical teenager in Zanesville, he might want to try this:



Or make money online.

Or Drugs.

Or move.

etc etc etc

Not to mention an 18 year old shouldn't be rolling suits in most instances.

He should be at college, smoking weed, boozing and swooping girls.

Post: #71

(11-01-2013 01:40 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Good points and I agree.

Suits and physique are very similar in this regard.

Here is the thing with Suits that differs a little:

I think it is tough to win the "Biggest Guy at the Las Vegas pool party" Game. There is always going to be some bigger guys.

It is very easy to win the "Best dressed cat in the bar/restaurant/nightclub" Game.

That is one reason I am such a Suit advocate.

It is a super easy Game to win.

And when you win it, you swoop girls.



(Of course, Game still required).

suits are expensive and require more expense to sell..you can't wear a nice suit and come with some shytty bankroll..you can't wear suits in the tropics but you can carry your muscle everywhere in the world....

Not really true.

You can get some good looking suits at express for roughly 400-500$. I built up my entire suitdrobe for 700$. It's a mixture of Express (colorful suits) and some J. Crew blazers. I have one blazer that is bright red. I wear it with a grey button down. When I wear this, I get the most hits.

Why don't you do both, muscles and suit. You can carry yourself well in a suit if you lift.

Post: #72

(11-01-2013 02:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  making money how? give me an example of how an 18 year old living in a crappy town can make enough money to sustain the bank roll needed to sell the suit lifestyle...

What is the costs of a bodybuilding lifestyle? I am not interested in that lifestyle but the amount of food that needs to be eaten, gym memberships, time from work, supplements, drug enhancements... I wouldn't think it was a cheap alternative for a 18 year old kid living in a crappy town.

I wouldn't know since that type of lifestyle isn't something I am interested in. I prefer just taking my body to a level that fits my desired lifestyle. As much as I enjoy working out, I enjoy other things just as much if not more.

You buy a suit, get it tailored and hit up some nice places for a couple of drinks. Where is this expensive suit lifestyle you're talking about?

Post: #73

Can I get some straight advice from some of the guys that work out on Roosh V?



I recently gave up cross country running for the gym.

I've been working out 1 month so far with some experienced guys that teach proper technique. I am a massive noob at the gym. I am glad these guys have tolerated me for the past few sessions so that I can get to the point where I stop making them cringe. I didn't know what anything was called (except bench press/pull ups) and didn't know to breathe in and out or anything. But nonetheless, despite suffering embarrassment I am keen to get results and push onwards which I think they appreciate.


I have been eating a huge amount more than I used to and have a belly if I relax (if I tense slightly, it isn't too bad). I have never been fat before. I did GOMAD for two weeks, then cut it out and now I'm sticking to clean foods with lots of protein - but eating 4-5 meals a day.



Is this normal for bulking?







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My goal is to hit 80-85kg in muscle @ 10-12% body fat by June 2014 and get some better aesthetic proportions. Is this realistic/achievable? I am 6"0.

Post: #74

(11-01-2013 01:40 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Good points and I agree.

Suits and physique are very similar in this regard.

Here is the thing with Suits that differs a little:

I think it is tough to win the "Biggest Guy at the Las Vegas pool party" Game. There is always going to be some bigger guys.

It is very easy to win the "Best dressed cat in the bar/restaurant/nightclub" Game.

That is one reason I am such a Suit advocate.

It is a super easy Game to win.

And when you win it, you swoop girls.



(Of course, Game still required).

suits are expensive and require more expense to sell..you can't wear a nice suit and come with some shytty bankroll..you can't wear suits in the tropics but you can carry your muscle everywhere in the world....

Best to have both, muscles and a wardrobe, if you dress like crap it's going to limit your options. Actually suits can be quite cheap, I picked up a $600.00 Calvin Klein suit in my size ( 44 long)for $75.00 at a clearance place via Ebay, all I had to do was have the cuffs adjusted and the pants taken in, which cost $35.00. Just last week I picked up a name brand Tuxedo for $89.00 with the store tags still on it, I didn't have to have it altered at all. I've a closet full of name brand sports jackets, trenchcoats, leather jackets I've picked up, never paid more than 50 dollars for any of them. A couple of the leather jackets I've picked up retail at over 700.00, the most I've paid was $45.00.

Post: #75

(11-01-2013 02:40 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 01:40 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Good points and I agree.

Suits and physique are very similar in this regard.

Here is the thing with Suits that differs a little:

I think it is tough to win the "Biggest Guy at the Las Vegas pool party" Game. There is always going to be some bigger guys.

It is very easy to win the "Best dressed cat in the bar/restaurant/nightclub" Game.

That is one reason I am such a Suit advocate.

It is a super easy Game to win.

And when you win it, you swoop girls.



(Of course, Game still required).

suits are expensive and require more expense to sell..you can't wear a nice suit and come with some shytty bankroll..you can't wear suits in the tropics but you can carry your muscle everywhere in the world....

Not really true.

You can get some good looking suits at express for roughly 400-500$. I built up my entire suitdrobe for 700$. It's a mixture of Express (colorful suits) and some J. Crew blazers. I have one blazer that is bright red. I wear it with a grey button down. When I wear this, I get the most hits.

Why don't you do both, muscles and suit. You can carry yourself well in a suit if you lift.

One of the best looks ala Tom Ford is a black sports jacket/blazer, white button down shirt, a pair of dark jeans and a decent pair of black shoes/boots. I've got three black jackets, all of them I picked up at the Sally Ann for five bucks a piece, still in the dry cleaning bags*

* Some dry cleaners donated unclaimed clothing to thrift shops, I've found Pierre Cardin, Hugo Boss, Calvin Klein and other top brands in loads of this stuff.