Post: #1

Here are some examples of fails over the past couple of months:

1)Talk with girl at a bar for about 20-40 minutes. Kino on arms, legs and hips. Bar is about to close. Ask her for a cigarette. She says she doesn't have any on her. Then, she remembers she has some in her car. We go out to car, smoke outside in front of her car. I tell her she should come over for a night cap. Basically, she responds by saying, I'm not gonna fuck you tonight(which I know I should've took as a sign that she did). Anyway, this disrupts my game. She gives me a weird look(hard for me to describe but I couldn't tell if she was waiting for me to do something or keeping a careful eye on me). I want to kiss her but I don't. I don't want her to think I'm going to rape her or something. Get the number, never see her again.

2)Hang out for happy hour with grad school friends. One of the girls starts warming up to me. She has a fiance that she lives with. Before, I never really got a vibe from her, but tonight, we talk in-depth, she plays footsies, wants to go where I go etc. At end of night, I kind of get cock-blocked by a friend's friend. However, she asks me at the very end, what are you doing because my other friend is going somewhere else. I say I don't know. She leaves. The friend's friend says I fucked up and he thought I was with her and would've stole her if he knew. I was scared because she is in my grad school program, is engaged and I was burned before from aggressively pursuing a girl in same program.

Currently, I'm beginning to get consistent in terms of holding conversations til the very end right before the bounce. Before, I had problems with ejecting early but this has been greatly improved. Now, I'm beginning to settle for the number regularly. I'm scared that they think it will be obvious that I want sex, and they don't. What are some ways to ease the bounce? I feel like asking to bounce to my place necessarily means we're gonna fuck- for the girl. What are some good lines/moves? What are some of the things I could've done differently in the examples?

Post: #2

I wrote a whole series on this on ROK.

In the first scenario you did not make a move (light touching in the bar, kiss at the car).

You have to be the man and lead. When she said she had a cig in the car that was Womanese for "Let's make out in private and not in front of strangers".

What you could have done was...

Kiss her at the car and then get in the car and continue to make out and escalate. THEN suggest a nightcap at your pad.

To just suggest a nightcap without even kissing and expecting her to be down is 9/10 NOT going to work.

Build Comfort + Escalate.

Don't be afraid; girls like to kiss and make out and the more you act natural about it, the more she'll respond.

Post: #3

Also:

" I'm scared that they think it will be obvious that I want sex, and they don't."

^^^You are a man and you enjoy consensual sex with attractive girls. There is NOTHING wrong with this. Girls like sex too just as much, if not more then men.

Betas are not rewarded for being "afraid" and wimping out on kissing/escalating with them.

Alphas are rewarded for taking charge, being a man and leading.

When in doubt; go for the kiss.

Post: #4

(10-29-2013 03:33 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  Also:

" I'm scared that they think it will be obvious that I want sex, and they don't."

^^^You are a man and you enjoy consensual sex with attractive girls. There is NOTHING wrong with this. Girls like sex too just as much, if not more then men.

Betas are not rewarded for being "afraid" and wimping out on kissing/escalating with them.

Alphas are rewarded for taking charge, being a man and leading.

When in doubt; go for the kiss.

Okay, that makes logical sense, and i was initially trying to do that before, but someone else on the forum recommended that the kiss should be saved for after the bounce. Anyway, i'll go back to that. I'm very uncomfortable kissing in public, but I guess I have to just man up on that.

Post: #5

I've heard that before and I strongly disagree re: kissing after the bounce.

It's illogical and doesn't set the tone for the interaction, however, every player will find what works for them through experience, trial and 'error'.

A man can be turned on almost instantly, but girls tend to be warmed up over a period of moments (light touch here and there/kissing/makeout = boom she's getting wetter).

Then when you ask her to leave with you, she's been 'calibrated' and will feel comfort and she's sexually turned on, as well as knowing you're not a psycho.