Post: #351

Ok got my results back. Having a little trouble understanding it.

Testosterone: 9.5 Nmol/l

What is that, it's different to the ones I see people posting?

Post: #352

(08-26-2015 02:44 PM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  Ok got my results back. Having a little trouble understanding it.

Testosterone: 9.5 Nmol/l

What is that, it's different to the ones I see people posting?

Here's a free unit conversion tool:

https://www.nebido.com/tools/index.php/e...rsion-tool

With your results, you are at 274 ng/dl. So you are very low.

Post: #353

Great. 20 years old and I'm very low. Now what?

Post: #354

(08-26-2015 02:49 PM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  Great. 20 years old and I'm very low. Now what?

I'll PM you in a minute.

Post: #355

Thanks man.

I feel really shitty now.

Post: #356

I lived in Shanghai, China for a year and a half, I have a great Dr. there. Let me know if you are headed that way.

(08-19-2015 04:57 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I was wondering if any china players. Know about getting quality blood testing in china? I've been googling it but I can't find any mention of anti aging clinics on the mainland or In Hong Kong. Any word on this?

Post: #357

TRT is not for life unless you choose for it to be. Even with nothing else used for Post Cycle Therapy, a weekly dosage of 100 mg, given in two weekly 50 MG doses does not result in any sort of "withdrawal" or "Post Cycle Crash". Though anecdotal, this has been true for my friends and I.

I quit cold turkey after a 12 week cycle to see what it was like. I had low libido for 2 weeks, along with lethargy, and generally being more sleepy.

To the best of my knowledge, no one has died after stopping Testosterone use. If you are using doses over 150MG a week, the effects of stopping cold turkey can make your life miserable for quite a while without PCT. Still, you do't have to do it for life.

Reference regarding id PCT is necessary: https://thinksteroids.com/articles/post-...necessary/

(08-21-2015 10:37 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  TRT is usually for life. Do you really want to be sticking a needle in yourself twice weekly for the next 60+ years?

Plus, why are you so convinced that you need TRT?

Post: #358

(08-24-2015 08:12 AM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  Yep I understand. I've ordered the test kit, it was supposed to come today but it didn't. Should have my results by Thursday then.

I do have a feeling it's going to be awfully low.

Please let me know where you ordered the test kit. I am also in the UK and worried about my T levels.

Post: #359

a company called medichecks. Google it. It's like 50 quid.

Post: #360

(08-26-2015 07:19 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  To the best of my knowledge, no one has died after stopping Testosterone use. If you are using doses over 150MG a week, the effects of stopping cold turkey can make your life miserable for quite a while without PCT. Still, you do't have to do it for life.

(08-21-2015 10:37 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  TRT is usually for life. Do you really want to be sticking a needle in yourself twice weekly for the next 60+ years?

Plus, why are you so convinced that you need TRT?

No, you're not wrong - no one will die after stopping TRT. There's really no danger in doing so, but it's not about that. It's about maintaining high quality of life for as long as possible.

After stopping TRT, even though your testosterone production may kick back in, your test levels will drift back down to where they were before you started TRT, or even lower.

If you've experienced symptoms at those T levels, you'll start experiencing them again pretty soon after stopping TRT, even with PCT. Plus it is very rare that PCT actually helps sustain high T levels long after the PCT is complete. It may for a few months, then will drift back down afterwards and you're back to square one.

Post: #361

(08-26-2015 07:19 PM)Kwisatz Wrote:  TRT is not for life unless you choose for it to be. Even with nothing else used for Post Cycle Therapy, a weekly dosage of 100 mg, given in two weekly 50 MG doses does not result in any sort of "withdrawal" or "Post Cycle Crash". Though anecdotal, this has been true for my friends and I.

I quit cold turkey after a 12 week cycle to see what it was like. I had low libido for 2 weeks, along with lethargy, and generally being more sleepy.

To the best of my knowledge, no one has died after stopping Testosterone use. If you are using doses over 150MG a week, the effects of stopping cold turkey can make your life miserable for quite a while without PCT. Still, you do't have to do it for life.

Reference regarding id PCT is necessary: https://thinksteroids.com/articles/post-...necessary/

(08-21-2015 10:37 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  TRT is usually for life. Do you really want to be sticking a needle in yourself twice weekly for the next 60+ years?

Plus, why are you so convinced that you need TRT?

If you have low t why would you go off of TRT and back to having low t? It doesn't make sense.

Post: #362

Nate, from Iron & Tweed, has been writing about his journey with TRT.

Check it out:
Part I: An Intro to Testosterone and TRT
Part II: My Low T Journey: Symptoms Before Testosterone Replacement Therapy
Part III: My Low T Journey: One Year on TRT
Part IV: to be released

His before and after so far:

Post: #363

(08-29-2015 03:55 PM)Ringo Wrote:  Nate, from Iron & Tweed, has been writing about his journey with TRT.

Check it out:
Part I: An Intro to Testosterone and TRT
Part II: My Low T Journey: Symptoms Before Testosterone Replacement Therapy
Part III: My Low T Journey: One Year on TRT
Part IV: to be released

His before and after so far:

Holy shit.... TRT will turn you into a hipster

Post: #364

Went and saw my GP today. Showed him my result and he says "it's in the normal range" which was expected. I fire back and say that yes it's in the range but those are the levels of an 80 year old. He agrees and I'm having a full blood test. Getting a thyroid check, FSH LH Prolactin, Test + Free test etc.

He was surprisingly very helpful after we agreed that the levels were low.

Post: #365

(09-01-2015 09:31 AM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  Went and saw my GP today. Showed him my result and he says "it's in the normal range" which was expected. I fire back and say that yes it's in the range but those are the levels of an 80 year old. He agrees and I'm having a full blood test. Getting a thyroid check, FSH LH Prolactin, Test + Free test etc.

He was surprisingly very helpful after we agreed that the levels were low.

Good on you for not accepting your doctor's first answer and pushing for a full blood test.

Post: #366

(09-01-2015 09:35 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 09:31 AM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  Went and saw my GP today. Showed him my result and he says "it's in the normal range" which was expected. I fire back and say that yes it's in the range but those are the levels of an 80 year old. He agrees and I'm having a full blood test. Getting a thyroid check, FSH LH Prolactin, Test + Free test etc.

He was surprisingly very helpful after we agreed that the levels were low.

Good on you for not accepting your doctor's first answer and pushing for a full blood test.

Yes, but he's still likely not going to do anything. Your GP generally knows nothing about hormone manipulation outside of prescribing Synthroid and thus likely won't touch TRT with a 10-foot pole. But he'll at least give you the referral to a urologist, who will then likely put you on either hcG or clomiphene first. Keep pushing to get help and don't give up.

I have my appointment with a urologist today after my GP finally admitted that my test is low and that I am clearly showing symptoms. I'll likely be put on clomid first as docs want to avoid putting you on TRT for life, but from what I've read a clomid restart almost never works in the long-term. Oh well, if this is what I've got to do to eventually get on test cyp and hcg, then so be it. I'm just sick of feeling like crap and hoping that my body will start producing adequate test again. It's likely not going to happen based on where I've ended up.

Post: #367

Reporting back from the urologist.

I waited in the wait room for an hour. Upon briefly talking with the doctor and describing my symptoms, I was shown to a nurse, who did an ultrasound on my testes, penis and bladder. Everything was completely normal. She also drew blood.

Then went back to sit down the urologist. He was probably in his early 40s, seemingly nice and wanted to talk. The dialogue lasted about 20 minutes, but the gist is that he would treat me if my test came in between 300-400 ng/dL with pellets. Anything above 400 ng/dL he would not treat, as he said that all of the androgen receptors are filled, and that any more test would just lead to side effects. He said that for 90% of guys who are suffering low libido, depression, lack of concentration and poor athletic performance , it's mental. He said that human beings build up experiences in our head over time, and that for some it becomes a mental block to want to do something, e.g., have sex, work harder, train harder, etc. Since I didn't really have any libido anymore, he believed I should talk with a sex therapist to work out any repressed sexual desires that I have built up. The one thing he did keep pushing was Viagra or Cialis. He said that those drugs act as lighter fluid, and with just a little spark, the flames of desire are fanned.

Let's just say that I highly disagreed with him and started challenging him on the spot. I asked whether there's a direct correlation with testosterone levels and libido. He said no. I argued that if Viagra acts as a catalyst for sexual desire, wouldn't testosterone also serve as that lighter fluid? He said no. I asked him what the normal testosterone level is for a mid-30 male. He said it depends on the time of day. I said isn't it around 600 ng/dL, and hence I should try to get my testosterone up to that level? No, it doesn't make a difference once test is above 400 ng/dL.

This entire process took two hours of my time and left me deeply frustrated afterwards. If my test comes in at where it's been coming in at (350 ng/dL), then he's agreed to put me on pellets. I'd probably start with clomiphene first just to try to jumpstart things. Nonetheless, I felt this was a colossal waste of time, and my experience mimics what Iron & Tweed went through.

Post: #368

^^ Good moving on challenging the urologist.

Just move on. It is clear that he knows nothing about hormones. This doc is a waste of your time and money and will possibly harm your health.

Did he ask about your lifestyle?
Did he check your vitamin and mineral levels? The levels of your other hormones?
How does he know that all your androgen receptors are filled?

And no, viagra does not increase your sexual desire (although it slightly raises your testosterone levels).

Post: #369

(09-02-2015 08:15 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  Reporting back from the urologist.

I waited in the wait room for an hour. Upon briefly talking with the doctor and describing my symptoms, I was shown to a nurse, who did an ultrasound on my testes, penis and bladder. Everything was completely normal. She also drew blood.

Then went back to sit down the urologist. He was probably in his early 40s, seemingly nice and wanted to talk. The dialogue lasted about 20 minutes, but the gist is that he would treat me if my test came in between 300-400 ng/dL with pellets. Anything above 400 ng/dL he would not treat, as he said that all of the androgen receptors are filled, and that any more test would just lead to side effects. He said that for 90% of guys who are suffering low libido, depression, lack of concentration and poor athletic performance , it's mental. He said that human beings build up experiences in our head over time, and that for some it becomes a mental block to want to do something, e.g., have sex, work harder, train harder, etc. Since I didn't really have any libido anymore, he believed I should talk with a sex therapist to work out any repressed sexual desires that I have built up. The one thing he did keep pushing was Viagra or Cialis. He said that those drugs act as lighter fluid, and with just a little spark, the flames of desire are fanned.

Let's just say that I highly disagreed with him and started challenging him on the spot. I asked whether there's a direct correlation with testosterone levels and libido. He said no. I argued that if Viagra acts as a catalyst for sexual desire, wouldn't testosterone also serve as that lighter fluid? He said no. I asked him what the normal testosterone level is for a mid-30 male. He said it depends on the time of day. I said isn't it around 600 ng/dL, and hence I should try to get my testosterone up to that level? No, it doesn't make a difference once test is above 400 ng/dL.

This entire process took two hours of my time and left me deeply frustrated afterwards. If my test comes in at where it's been coming in at (350 ng/dL), then he's agreed to put me on pellets. I'd probably start with clomiphene first just to try to jumpstart things. Nonetheless, I felt this was a colossal waste of time, and my experience mimics what Iron & Tweed went through.

Your urologist is full of shit and an asshole. Sorry you had to deal with it.

Don't know if you mentioned it earlier, but are there any TRT clinics where you live? If you are below 500, it'd be pretty easy to get them to put you on injections. Then, based on your preference, you can either wait a few weeks after being on TRT and go see a doctor when your levels have hit rock bottom (in order to easier get a prescription) or you could continue with the clinic if you like the results and the price is agreeable.

Good luck, it's amazing how ignorant and useless most doctors are when it comes to their own primary hormone.

Post: #370

(09-03-2015 09:32 AM)KeepMovingForward Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 08:15 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  Reporting back from the urologist.

I waited in the wait room for an hour. Upon briefly talking with the doctor and describing my symptoms, I was shown to a nurse, who did an ultrasound on my testes, penis and bladder. Everything was completely normal. She also drew blood.

Then went back to sit down the urologist. He was probably in his early 40s, seemingly nice and wanted to talk. The dialogue lasted about 20 minutes, but the gist is that he would treat me if my test came in between 300-400 ng/dL with pellets. Anything above 400 ng/dL he would not treat, as he said that all of the androgen receptors are filled, and that any more test would just lead to side effects. He said that for 90% of guys who are suffering low libido, depression, lack of concentration and poor athletic performance , it's mental. He said that human beings build up experiences in our head over time, and that for some it becomes a mental block to want to do something, e.g., have sex, work harder, train harder, etc. Since I didn't really have any libido anymore, he believed I should talk with a sex therapist to work out any repressed sexual desires that I have built up. The one thing he did keep pushing was Viagra or Cialis. He said that those drugs act as lighter fluid, and with just a little spark, the flames of desire are fanned.

Let's just say that I highly disagreed with him and started challenging him on the spot. I asked whether there's a direct correlation with testosterone levels and libido. He said no. I argued that if Viagra acts as a catalyst for sexual desire, wouldn't testosterone also serve as that lighter fluid? He said no. I asked him what the normal testosterone level is for a mid-30 male. He said it depends on the time of day. I said isn't it around 600 ng/dL, and hence I should try to get my testosterone up to that level? No, it doesn't make a difference once test is above 400 ng/dL.

This entire process took two hours of my time and left me deeply frustrated afterwards. If my test comes in at where it's been coming in at (350 ng/dL), then he's agreed to put me on pellets. I'd probably start with clomiphene first just to try to jumpstart things. Nonetheless, I felt this was a colossal waste of time, and my experience mimics what Iron & Tweed went through.

Your urologist is full of shit and an asshole. Sorry you had to deal with it. He pretty much revealed his motives when he started pushing the Viagra/Cialis on you.

Don't know if you mentioned it earlier, but are there any TRT clinics where you live? If you are below 500, it'd be pretty easy to get them to put you on injections. Then, based on your preference, you can either wait a few weeks after being on TRT and go see a doctor when your levels have hit rock bottom (in order to easier get a prescription) or you could continue with the clinic if you like the results and the price is agreeable.

Good luck, it's amazing how ignorant and useless most doctors are when it comes to their own primary hormone.

Post: #371

In his fourth and final instalment of the TRT series, Iron & Tweed was talking about his health provider for it, LowTestosterone.com. Worth taking a read.

Post: #372

(09-02-2015 08:15 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  Reporting back from the urologist.

I waited in the wait room for an hour. Upon briefly talking with the doctor and describing my symptoms, I was shown to a nurse, who did an ultrasound on my testes, penis and bladder. Everything was completely normal. She also drew blood.

Then went back to sit down the urologist. He was probably in his early 40s, seemingly nice and wanted to talk. The dialogue lasted about 20 minutes, but the gist is that he would treat me if my test came in between 300-400 ng/dL with pellets. Anything above 400 ng/dL he would not treat, as he said that all of the androgen receptors are filled, and that any more test would just lead to side effects. He said that for 90% of guys who are suffering low libido, depression, lack of concentration and poor athletic performance , it's mental. He said that human beings build up experiences in our head over time, and that for some it becomes a mental block to want to do something, e.g., have sex, work harder, train harder, etc. Since I didn't really have any libido anymore, he believed I should talk with a sex therapist to work out any repressed sexual desires that I have built up. The one thing he did keep pushing was Viagra or Cialis. He said that those drugs act as lighter fluid, and with just a little spark, the flames of desire are fanned.

Let's just say that I highly disagreed with him and started challenging him on the spot. I asked whether there's a direct correlation with testosterone levels and libido. He said no. I argued that if Viagra acts as a catalyst for sexual desire, wouldn't testosterone also serve as that lighter fluid? He said no. I asked him what the normal testosterone level is for a mid-30 male. He said it depends on the time of day. I said isn't it around 600 ng/dL, and hence I should try to get my testosterone up to that level? No, it doesn't make a difference once test is above 400 ng/dL.

This entire process took two hours of my time and left me deeply frustrated afterwards. If my test comes in at where it's been coming in at (350 ng/dL), then he's agreed to put me on pellets. I'd probably start with clomiphene first just to try to jumpstart things. Nonetheless, I felt this was a colossal waste of time, and my experience mimics what Iron & Tweed went through.

Are you depressed or stressed? How is your diet?

This is painful for me to read.
I am in my late 40s and thankfully I don't look it.
I tried half a blue pill once many years ago, I was curious. For me it was not enjoyable, sure my dick felt like a rock but even the girl complained.
I have used under the table Testosterone for years, haven't done a cycle this year but I will in the winter months. Susanton is my go to Test of choice.
The side effects is that I become horny as a mofo, worst than a teenager if you ask me. It helps me in the gym, I get a little boost from it.
The big thing it reduces stomach fat and does the trick for me.

The side effects are so good I cant imagine any doctor prescribing it.

I am sure that Urologist gets a nice kickback from the pharma companies everytime he prescribes Cialis/Viagra. There are quite a few side effects which they advertise, somehow I think we are going to hear about more problems from these drugs in the future.

Post: #373

(09-02-2015 08:15 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  Reporting back from the urologist.

I waited in the wait room for an hour. Upon briefly talking with the doctor and describing my symptoms, I was shown to a nurse, who did an ultrasound on my testes, penis and bladder. Everything was completely normal. She also drew blood.

Then went back to sit down the urologist. He was probably in his early 40s, seemingly nice and wanted to talk. The dialogue lasted about 20 minutes, but the gist is that he would treat me if my test came in between 300-400 ng/dL with pellets. Anything above 400 ng/dL he would not treat, as he said that all of the androgen receptors are filled, and that any more test would just lead to side effects. He said that for 90% of guys who are suffering low libido, depression, lack of concentration and poor athletic performance , it's mental. He said that human beings build up experiences in our head over time, and that for some it becomes a mental block to want to do something, e.g., have sex, work harder, train harder, etc. Since I didn't really have any libido anymore, he believed I should talk with a sex therapist to work out any repressed sexual desires that I have built up. The one thing he did keep pushing was Viagra or Cialis. He said that those drugs act as lighter fluid, and with just a little spark, the flames of desire are fanned.

Let's just say that I highly disagreed with him and started challenging him on the spot. I asked whether there's a direct correlation with testosterone levels and libido. He said no. I argued that if Viagra acts as a catalyst for sexual desire, wouldn't testosterone also serve as that lighter fluid? He said no. I asked him what the normal testosterone level is for a mid-30 male. He said it depends on the time of day. I said isn't it around 600 ng/dL, and hence I should try to get my testosterone up to that level? No, it doesn't make a difference once test is above 400 ng/dL.

This entire process took two hours of my time and left me deeply frustrated afterwards. If my test comes in at where it's been coming in at (350 ng/dL), then he's agreed to put me on pellets. I'd probably start with clomiphene first just to try to jumpstart things. Nonetheless, I felt this was a colossal waste of time, and my experience mimics what Iron & Tweed went through.

What are your symptoms? Drowsiness? Erectile dysfunction? Seeing a lack of gains in the gym? Low self esteem?

Post: #374

Biggest symptom is low libido. Have been suffering from dysthymia for months. Weight lifting has plateaued. Have added some fat to my gut over the last six months even though neither my exercise routine nor my caloric intake has changed. I have difficulty concentrating at work now.

I get erections if I concentrate. I don't think I have ED, just no desire to get an erection.

My diet is in check. I'm somewhat stressed, which is undoubtedly aiding the condition, but it's a low chronic stress of working and living in New York City. My living circumstances aren't going to change for the next few years, so I'm looking for something else to give me the energy and zest for life to make a change.

Post: #375

(09-04-2015 08:11 AM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  Biggest symptom is low libido. Have been suffering from dysthymia for months. Weight lifting has plateaued. Have added some fat to my gut over the last six months even though neither my exercise routine nor my caloric intake has changed. I have difficulty concentrating at work now.

I get erections if I concentrate. I don't think I have ED, just no desire to get an erection.

My diet is in check. I'm somewhat stressed, which is undoubtedly aiding the condition, but it's a low chronic stress of working and living in New York City. My living circumstances aren't going to change for the next few years, so I'm looking for something else to give me the energy and zest for life to make a change.

Those are definitely among the classic symptoms of low T. Keep trying to find a doctor who is willing to work with you... with persistence, you will find a few.