Post: #26

He's not bad looking. Overestimates himself though.

Post: #27

I am skeptical. I don't doubt this method of cavemaning works for him, and it is always good to max out your looks and know what looks good on you.

Will this work for everyone, or is this a good way for guys new to game to get started? of course not

Post: #28

Watched his videos he has an aggressive look and being pretty jacked helps.

In the US your build has an effect on how girls initially judge you. They(people in general) like to put things into boxes. Just we look at girls and she 'seems slutty', 'looks like a good girl' 'or looks like the smart type.' I think it's important to analyze why we put people into the boxes that we do, then look into the mirror and create the vibe we want. Of course it's more than just build, body language, how you walk, etc. come into play.

Being a tall and somewhat lanky guy, I noticed this when first getting into game and banging girls quickly a few said 'Well I didn't expect that.' Perception is reality, so they put me into the box of the guy who looks like he'd stick around and not bang them the same night.

Post: #29

deathtofatties is probably right that "if your IQ is above 115, you belong here on Rooshv Forums. GLL doesn't work for smarter, nerdier guys like us."

However, OPs summary of GLL's system reminded me strongly of an excellent Roosh post on his blog and a hidden camera compilation that was in the comments of that post.

Post: #30

(09-26-2013 06:26 AM)Neo Wrote:  ...being pretty jacked helps.

Yes, it is always a little more impressive when the dude is not jacked and/or over 6'2"

Post: #31

Hey - first off, I appreciate the compliments. It's some of the nicest feedback I've come across. Really. Thanks.

(09-28-2013 11:44 AM)mr_lucky Wrote:  deathtofatties is probably right that "if your IQ is above 115, you belong here on Rooshv Forums. GLL doesn't work for smarter, nerdier guys like us."

However, OPs summary of GLL's system reminded me strongly of an excellent Roosh post on his blog and a hidden camera compilation that was in the comments of that post.

As far as "GLL for intellectuals", that's correct and incorrect I will admit.

I "dumb down" my dialogue for these girls, I'm not actually an idiot (Magna Cum Laude, scholarship to Top 40 Law School) but by no means Ivy League Graduate School material - if that matters.

I actually made a post on this a few years ago-
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/more/arc...ss-pussy//

It's not my intent to start linking to GLL, but this post directly relates to the discussion.

Any sort of "approach" you take, 'aggressive vs. non-aggressive', 'direct vs. indirect', 'smart vs. dumb' --- is a form of screening. Looks aside, you will attract likeminded individuals to some extent.

The girls that I'm into haven't gone to Stanford, they go to Arizona State, San Diego State and other middle of the road institutions, per US News. I don't mean that literally, I just mean that they couldn't care less how smart I am/am not or how well-rounded I am - and just want to have fun. That's the same thing on my mind.

Post: #32

Most men taking pickup tips from Good Looking Loser is like when most women get beauty tips from Kate Upton in women's magazines.

We can all apply their ideas, but it won't really achieve the same effect.

A better way to go about this is to do what I did in high school. Find someone of lower status and worse looks than you with a hot g/f, figure out what he has going for him, and learn to incorporate that into your repertoire. I learn I needed to be funnier and less didactic (and quit using words like didactic) and simply socialize more.

Some of what he does is interesting. But I could see myself saying "You were checking me out, weren't you?" and getting laughed at (unless I said it with an ironic tone). Only bigger guys can get away with that, and I bet not most of the time.

Post: #33

(06-06-1974 10:28 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  But I could see myself saying "You were checking me out, weren't you?"

Get eye contact and try it - for real. That's not going to have 99% of the time.

A kid I know, 5foot6, bald -- lived on that line.

Post: #34

If you have the muscular build & height to pull it off its only half the battle I have found. You do need a different frame/presence when you have a number of men similar to you in the vicinity.

One bar full of guys around 6ft will encourage picky attitudes in women but this is where the difficulty ends and your intelligence takes off. Can you talk the shit? Can you smile and do some stupid shit with your hands a woman would like? You're in.

Ever since doing this I have been open welcomed and once they get feeling you up its only a matter of non-fuck up game.

Post: #35

His model is to find girls who are DTF and the only way to do that is see how they respond to your advances - which they do real quick within the first minute.

Also they only advocate this approach if you live within like 5mins of the place you are approaching girls or just leading them straight to your car. They don't advise doing this if your logistics aren't good. This model is for quick SDL - not for getting numbers, not for getting dates, just getting laid.

Approaching is key, "if I have to approach 20 girls and 1 is DTF then thats all it takes."

Post: #36

(04-21-2014 09:53 AM)memcpy Wrote:  His model is to find girls who are DTF and the only way to do that is see how they respond to your advances - which they do real quick within the first minute.

Also they only advocate this approach if you live within like 5mins of the place you are approaching girls or just leading them straight to your car. They don't advise doing this if your logistics aren't good. This model is for quick SDL - not for getting numbers, not for getting dates, just getting laid.

Approaching is key, "if I have to approach 20 girls and 1 is DTF then thats all it takes."

Isn't getting laid everyone's goal at the end of the day though? Getting numbers and dates are just a means of getting laid. Why not just find the quickest route possible.

Edit: Not sure if you're saying this is a good or bad thing??

Post: #37

(09-21-2013 10:57 AM)DVY Wrote:  Soup is not exactly right. Good-looking loser has presence.

He walks like hes the shit. This is firstly a confidence thing and secondly a buff thing.

I am nowhere near as "buff" as him, but at 188lbs 6ft 2", I still am bigger than the average guy and I walk with good posture, which makes me seem even bigger.

There are tons of "buff" guys that walk around slouched and shuffle their feet. They don't seem that physically intimidating...

Yes- I'd rather be skinny or not so buff, but have very good body language then the reverse.

Actually, that's exactly how I am! Although, I'm trying to get more buff after reading RVF for a few years now..

Post: #38

Mad respect for GLL, Chris walks the walk. At least I know he walks it, can't say the same for many other blogger, especially after the recent cases(danny504 etc). Hard to say who is a tough guy for real or only on paper.

I think many of the manosphere communities(especially The Red Pill reddit etc) have lost touch with the real shit: taking action. Apart from this forum, GLL and some others I don't really see people really sharing their game experiences, exchanging notes or holding game diaries. Due to the decent rise in popularity of reddit red pill community, it is not even that surprising. I mostly see whiny little fucks complaining about women, and not focusing on taking action. On some communities I see this 'cocoon mode' becoming popular...

Post: #39

Great videos, Chris! I'm not sure your style would work where I am (completely different culture) but I wish more guys would make videos like yours. Your techniques will definitely help when I'm in the UK, US and probably Asia too.

Post: #40

I love GLLs blogs. He tells it like it is.

Esp like the recent series on social scene: mixed groups PREPARTY and then go to the club and then ALL LEAVE for afterparty (much more successful than cold approach). I hope he dedicates more time to breaking into these "cool people" social circles, becoming friends with both girls and guys.

Post: #41

GLL is the truth.

Most guys are trying to market their material towards guys who basically don't have social lives, i.e., they don't have cool friends to chill and do cool stuff with, nor do they have a number of girls in their lives, fucking or not.

I think GLL is for guys who are more on his wavelength.

When you look good, have a cool lifestyle, and are comfortable with who you are as a person, then the game for you is just putting yourself out there, and you're going to have some success, much more than guys who have to completely remake themselves -- and most do, whether they like it or not.

Post: #42

So is he fake or not. I'm holding onto hope, lol.

Post: #43

(09-24-2014 08:31 PM)Manwhore Wrote:  So is he fake or not. I'm holding onto hope, lol.

My experience of the things I can personally verify tell me that Chris is a straight shooter. His information about phenibut and kratom has been on point, and his simple screening technique for sexual availability has saved me hours (this has always been a weak point in my game). I've also found his diet and nutrition suggestions to be generally accurate as well. You'd think that if he was really phony, he wouldn't go to all the trouble of doing things like taking pictures of himself demonstrating the proper use of penile enhancement devices. The cat just has too many examples of him walking the walk for it all to be just for show.

As with anything else, there's a lot of information there; leave what doesn't interest you, take what seems interesting and apply it in a way that gives you your own experience. I've done that with several different aspects of Chris's site and found his advice to be solid.

Post: #44

(04-21-2014 10:33 AM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  

(04-21-2014 09:53 AM)memcpy Wrote:  His model is to find girls who are DTF and the only way to do that is see how they respond to your advances - which they do real quick within the first minute.

Also they only advocate this approach if you live within like 5mins of the place you are approaching girls or just leading them straight to your car. They don't advise doing this if your logistics aren't good. This model is for quick SDL - not for getting numbers, not for getting dates, just getting laid.

Approaching is key, "if I have to approach 20 girls and 1 is DTF then thats all it takes."

Isn't getting laid everyone's goal at the end of the day though? Getting numbers and dates are just a means of getting laid. Why not just find the quickest route possible.

Edit: Not sure if you're saying this is a good or bad thing??

Yeah, aren't we here to get laid? This reminds me of Mystery's "fool's mate" thing. It's this weird thing where the logic is "she must not like me that much because she put out so easily". Here's a quote from his site:

Quote:I'm not one of those PUAs that is going to purpose that he has the mindset, technique or line to get every- cool, smart, hot, boring, married, single, bisexual, pornstar, athletic, druggie, rich, celebrity, tall, short, fat, thin, model, poor, young, old, college, milf, cougar, geeky, high fashion, goofy, depressed or happy- girl to like you.

I can teach you how to bang hot girls though.

There you have it.

I think Chris is legit. Whether his style is effective for you or I is something else. Like a lot of guys said, he's got a certain look and that's a big part of it. It makes sense, maximize what you've got. Game is the bridge between what god gave you and what she wants.

The big takeaway is that confidence is key. GLL preaches that a lot and for that reason, he's worth reading. I like his take on screening. That's where I need to improve - polarizing a chick. We have a thread on here on exactly that - is she a yes girl or a no girl? When you're talking, you HAVE to polarize her, otherwise you're just another interaction she had during her day. Even if you get her number, will she remember you 6 hours from now after she gets a hundred texts, 30 facebook updates, and 52 instagram messages?

Some of his stuff, I don't know. I'm not taking kratom or using the bathmate. Take what works for you and leave the rest.

Post: #45

I'm not talking about the quality of his advice.. I've been a coach for years I know the whole screening aspect to game, etc. I'm just referring to that "nervous guy game" video everyone is saying is fake.

Post: #46

There is NOT MUCH To LEARN from the video. That's GOOD.

Remember watching those PUA videos when you started going out?

You hear lines that turn girls friendly and you memorized it to use it next time. How did it affect your game?

Looks like what he talks about is pretty normal. Just telling her I find you attractive (this is very no no against pua opener), asking background questions, normal chit chat.

It's understandable for people to try finding quick solutions when they are faced with obstacles. so they pay attention to methods that stand out. but eventually they will realize (I hope) it's all about doing basic things right.

Post: #47

(09-24-2013 04:37 PM)dirt Wrote:  Hand trick is to go in for a handshake and basically hold onto the girl's hand a lot longer than normal, I think good looking looser pushes the limits with this by swing it around, playing with it, not let go.

There is a lot that can be done with hands. I was in a situation where I was talking to a young hottie (girl alone at club, her friend already hooked up, it was obvious she was going home with SOMEBODY). A young guido was also talking to her, but it was very clear that I blew him away in almost every area of life - more jacked, taller, cooler, more social cred, better job etc. I knew it, she knew it, he knew it...and he knew he was going to lose this competition. He grabbed her hand and abruptly dragged her away, telling her he was taking her to the dance floor. I was left in a situation of having to chase after them looking like a loser if I wanted to keep things going. I was pissed at first, but then gave him a "Well played Sir" - perfect tactics for someone completely outgunned.

Post: #48

(09-26-2013 03:07 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  GLL is pickup for simple, blue collar west coast guys that aren't witty, just flashy and confident in their badboy persona.

Rooshv, Krauser, and the rest of the game-manosphere (gamesphere) crowd, we use our brains.

Both are legitimate, effective camps of game, but if your IQ is above 115, you belong here on Rooshv Forums. GLL doesn't work for smarter, nerdier guys like us.

+1, sums it up very well I think.

This "GLL" looks, talks and acts like a complete idiot. For guys and on girls who don't fall into that category, his game will probably not work very well.

Post: #49

(04-21-2014 11:40 AM)strengthstudent Wrote:  Mad respect for GLL, Chris walks the walk. At least I know he walks it, can't say the same for many other blogger, especially after the recent cases(danny504 etc). Hard to say who is a tough guy for real or only on paper.

I think many of the manosphere communities(especially The Red Pill reddit etc) have lost touch with the real shit: taking action. Apart from this forum, GLL and some others I don't really see people really sharing their game experiences, exchanging notes or holding game diaries. Due to the decent rise in popularity of reddit red pill community, it is not even that surprising. I mostly see whiny little fucks complaining about women, and not focusing on taking action. On some communities I see this 'cocoon mode' becoming popular...

Damn, this is a solid post!

I don't think much of GLL's game would work for me, but I don't deny that his stuff is legit. He provides solid info and a lot of advice that can be put into action step-by-step. I'm a fan of GLL for the precise reason that strengthstudent points out: "Due to the decent rise in popularity of reddit red pill community, it is not even that surprising. I mostly see whiny little fucks complaining about women, and not focusing on taking action."


For me, game is akin to sales. I may think I'm the best, but that doesn't prevent me from reading and exchanging tips with others to be constantly improving. Even if the GLL angle isn't directly applicable to me (as in sales), doesn't mean that there aren't some tips I can't use to improve my own game (sales).

GLL is legit.

Post: #50

(09-29-2014 02:43 AM)kaloha Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 03:07 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  GLL is pickup for simple, blue collar west coast guys that aren't witty, just flashy and confident in their badboy persona.

Rooshv, Krauser, and the rest of the game-manosphere (gamesphere) crowd, we use our brains.

Both are legitimate, effective camps of game, but if your IQ is above 115, you belong here on Rooshv Forums. GLL doesn't work for smarter, nerdier guys like us.

+1, sums it up very well I think.

This "GLL" looks, talks and acts like a complete idiot. For guys and on girls who don't fall into that category, his game will probably not work very well.

I recently spent 4 days staying with Chris. Lived in the same house, hung out, had dinner, cruised around, etc.

That so many of you think he's much less smarter than he is is a testament to his game.